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787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13  
User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4416 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 58430 times:
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Since the last thread received over 250 replies, please continue the discussion here.

Previous thread:
787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12 (by SA7700 Dec 7 2012 in Civil Aviation)

236 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 58488 times:

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

DELIVERED TO DATE: 50 Aircraft to 8 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO JANUARY
NH-17; JL-7; UA–6; AI-5; QR-5; ET-4; LA-3; LO-2

JANUARY DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ – 1/2/2013 - AI #6

NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Tentative - Subject to Change
L/N 83 - JA818A - 1/xx/2013 - NH #18
L/N 72 - VT-ANM – 1/xx/2013 - AI #7
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – 1/xx/2013 – LO #3
L/N 87 - SP-LRD – 1/xx/2013 – LO #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 88 - SP-LRE – 1/xx/2013 – LO #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 89 – JA830J – 1/xx/2013 – JL #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 90 - VT-ANN – 2/xx/2013 - AI #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 92 - G-TUIA – 2/xx/2013 – BY #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 43 - B-2727 – 3/xx/2013 - CZ #1
L/N 73 - B-2728 – x/xx/2013 - HU #1
L/N 34 – B-2725 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 79 - B-2730 – x/xx/2013 - HU #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 76 - B-2729 – x/xx/2013- HU #3 Awaiting first flight


I had thought L/Ns 87, 88, 89 would have had their B-1s by now...these are looking more and more like February deliveries...


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 58232 times:

UA is supposed to get its 7th and 8th 787 during the second half of 2013, correct? I was hoping we would see at least 10-15 by years end.


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User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 639 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 58174 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 1):
I had thought L/Ns 87, 88, 89 would have had their B-1s by now...these are looking more and more like February deliveries...

LN 88 has a long way to go as not even in paint yet. LN 89 and 90 are most likely going to pass it as they are both in paint and on the flightline.

A


User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 639 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 58163 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 2):

UA #7 probably around mid-July (begins assembly in April)
UA#8 most likely towards year end as it is being built in Charleston starting mid-year


User currently offlineflyingcello From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 58151 times:

Can anyone confirm the various line numbers at which the block improvements were to come? For example, when did the final side-of-body design, or the final centre wing box design, kick in? And which line numbers were the first to see the weight improvements? I think (although stand to be corrected) that there were two major weight improvement points. From memory, L/N 90 was supposed to be significant.

[Edited 2013-01-14 15:42:12]

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7757 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 57682 times:

When NH takes delivery if a 787 frame, where is it delivered to? As mentioned in the 748 thread I am relocating to tokyo in march and if I get the right info on a delivery I may be able to catch it on arrival. Also after delivery is it immediately put into service or is it placed in a hangar for tech?


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User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 639 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 57683 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):

So far all NH deliveries have been to HND and all JL deliveries have been to NRT.

A


User currently offlinemoggef From Japan, joined Jan 2013, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 57458 times:

The LN126 race is on.........ShinMaywa Industries announced on January 9 that "it has shipped the first wing spar for the Boeing 787-9 to Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI) that is in charge of assembling the wing section. ShinMaywa has built the new production line in the Takarazuka Plant, Hyogo Prefecture in preparation for increase in production".

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12116 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 57323 times:

Some more interesting info on the 787-9:

Quote:
Boeing quietly unveils the new architecture of the 787-9 horizontal stabilizer during SLC ceremony. No more center box.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/5...boeing-building-lake-salt.html.csp

The 787-9 H-Stab is the biggest change between -8 and -9. Totally different design. Goes from three pieces to two.

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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3423 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 57171 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):
Boeing quietly unveils the new architecture of the 787-9 horizontal stabilizer during SLC ceremony. No more center box.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/5...boeing-building-lake-salt.html.csp

The 787-9 H-Stab is the biggest change between -8 and -9. Totally different design. Goes from three pieces to two.

Is it likely that this change eventually will be implemented on the -8?


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 56502 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 10):
Is it likely that this change eventually will be implemented on the -8?

It is possible that LN/5 was flight testing this very modification   I know that LN5 has been doing flight testing in support of the 787-9 program...



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 55155 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 4):
UA#8 most likely towards year end as it is being built in Charleston starting mid-year

How do you know that? Source?



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31112 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 55123 times:
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Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 4):
UA #7 probably around mid-July (begins assembly in April)
UA#8 most likely towards year end as it is being built in Charleston starting mid-year
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 12):
How do you know that? Source?

It's listed in the All Things 787 blog at http://nyc787.blogspot.com

LN117 (UA#7) is scheduled to be built in Everett and LN124 (UA#8) is scheduled to be built in Charleston.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13258 posts, RR: 100
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 54844 times:
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When is the next "terrible teen" scheduled for delivery? I'm behind a firewall that blocks the obvious source.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
It's listed in the All Things 787 blog at http://nyc787.blogspot.com

I highly recommend that blog for 787 fans.

Quoting flyingcello (Reply 5):
Can anyone confirm the various line numbers at which the block improvements were to come? For example, when did the final side-of-body design, or the final centre wing box design, kick in?

I second that. I'm forgetting exactly which is what even though I knew it before!    Yea... must remember numbers for work...  


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7757 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 54171 times:

http://i46.tinypic.com/2vln0ye.jpg

Clearly as I stated in the NH thread the incidents in Japan aren't phasing Boeing much. This guy (N787FT) is aloft (ignore the second plane as its FAA delay)

Who is he going to?



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31112 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 54165 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):
Who is he going to?

N787FT is ZA005, one of the GEnx test frames that currently does not have a customer (I believe it was originally planned for Royal Air Maroc). At last report, it is expected to eventually be delivered as a 787VIP business jet at some indeterminate point in the future.

[Edited 2013-01-16 11:53:23]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12116 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 54133 times:

ZA005 is probably doing tests for the 787-9 program.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12116 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 54115 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 14):
When is the next "terrible teen" scheduled for delivery? I'm behind a firewall that blocks the obvious source.

I expect LN21 / JA823J for JAL to rollout soon.



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User currently offlineCapt747ret From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 33 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 53776 times:

This reminds me of the grounding of the DC-10 fleet many years ago. With that there were lives and hull losses. None of us would want to think what would happen if we were half way to HNL when the battery starts to flame.

Years ago, I imagined thinking that with all those new DC-10’s now just sitting on the ground was it now their destiny to be tuned back into ingots of aluminum?

I went out and bought all the Douglas stock I could lay my hands on and margined it too. 30 days later I was handsomely rewarded.

It sure seems to be a battery problem and not an airplane design issue. Does this equal a scratched window or sticky fuel valve? Do I have to answer this question? Only the reporters have stupid and opportunistic tattooed on their forehead.

Short term fix: NiCad’s, Long term fix: new battery design, 787 effects NONE if not enhanced.


User currently offlinemke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 53647 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 1):
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – 1/xx/2013 – LO #3
L/N 87 - SP-LRD – 1/xx/2013 – LO #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 88 - SP-LRE – 1/xx/2013 – LO #5 Awaiting first flight


Here's some pics I found of all three:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8297820208/

(LRD is behind the dreamlifter, unpainted LRE in front)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8296769967/

Does anyone know when LRC will head out for delivery? When I was a little over three years old, my mom and I flew LO from ORD to WAW in May of 1995. Obviously I'm too young to remember, but my mom claims that our flight was operated by SP-LPB (763) and that it was its first official flight since it had come brand new straight from PAE. Is this realistic or is it likely that it would've gone to WAW first?



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User currently offlineOldTTAGuy From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 53271 times:

Why has the most tested airplane in history had electrical problems? The difference I note is that is had just come into "airline service" which is distinctively different than the testing and certification processes it has been through. I think the problem is ground power - the variety of ground power sources around the world and the people using them (perhaps incorrectly) is a very likely culprit. Power surges, frequency variations, voltage spikes - all could play havoc with the 787 systems. That's just an opinion of a 45 year airline guy but I've seen ground power fry aircraft circuits before and the 787 might just be a little more sensitive to the variations.

User currently offlinehhslax2 From Bahrain, joined Jan 2012, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 53123 times:

Quoting OldTTAGuy (Reply 21):

I agree with you that voltage spikes could cause this, but Boeing/Thales has to know to account for it during the design phase. I doubt Boeing would not have tested this before/during certification. The FAA may not have, being a govt org.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7757 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 52403 times:

So due to the FAA directive, no deliveries are going to happen for some time. It's a shame but gives us a little bit of time to regroup.

Looking at All Things 787, (thank you to user NYC777) The next aircraft that was to be delivered was Ln83, ZA512, JA818A. Lines 43, 72, 73, and 86 were undergoing customer test flights. 87-90 and 92 were listed as pre-flight preps.

Of course we were still looking at CZ and Hainan Airlines dealing with CAAC issues.

When this A.D. is lifted, what do you think is going to happen? Is production halted? Will these orders be taken up in stride, or will deliveries be slowed considerably?



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12116 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 52341 times:

LN72 (AIC), LN83 (ANA), LN86 (LOT) should be the next in line for a delivery.

LN43 did a certification flight with the CAAC and is now at Fort Worth for a paint job. Both LN43 and LN73 are awaiting CAAC certification.

I don't expect the production to be halted, unless a union strike takes place (which is not related to the battery problem).



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25 KarelXWB : And in other news: LN34 - the second China Southern bird - is not visible anymore on Matt's latest flightline picture. It might be inside the paint sh
26 PHX787 : Hmm Thats interesting, IIRC aren't all the CZ birds supposed to be painted like that? I see thanks for the update.
27 ER757 : Dumb question - does the FAA grounding apply to revenue flights only or all flights? Could Boeing still do B1 flights on new builds? SPEEA isn't too h
28 7BOEING7 : Once they determine what went wrong, if Boeing can come up with an "alternate means of compliance" ( ACM), they could continue "B" flights but not "C
29 Stitch : The NH bird had been in revenue service for almost one year before the battery incident. Three other 787s had been in revenue service with them for o
30 ZKOKQ : How long could this grounding last before Boeing is crippled? I hope we dont get anywhere near that point. I am sure it wont be long before congress s
31 Stitch : I guess it's how you define "crippled". Arguably, Boeing could pull the plug on the 787 program right now and probably still survive. The majority of
32 kanban : congress can not over rule the FAA in this matter.. and Boeing's cash flow while affected is not hurting
33 PM : Indeed. I flew on it in January of last year.
34 tdscanuck : This is certainly possible...the 777 went through a lot of teething around ground power units too (different technical symptoms though). There are a
35 Post contains links KarelXWB : LN93 / ZA383 (China Southern) is now outside the factory, picture by moonm: http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8404607248/ I could think of 2 reasons
36 hkcanadaexpat : According to China Southern, when they revealed the special lively design over a year ago, they said 9/10 aircraft would get it while LN 34 (the one
37 KarelXWB : Let's wait and see. As we are now a year further and LN34 needs a fresh paint job anyway it might receive the special livery too. Thanks, I did not kn
38 Post contains links 817Dreamliiner : Thomson Airways' first 787 is now on the flightline painted, photo by Matt Cawby: http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8406250151/
39 KarelXWB : Looking good. Now let's hope Boeing can restart the deliveries soon. Otherwise Paine Field will become crowded again.[Edited 2013-01-23 01:55:56]
40 KarelXWB : Confirmed now. Matt tweets: [Edited 2013-01-24 00:15:48]
41 United787 : Dumb Question: Does the 787 grounding affect Boeing B1 flights?
42 7BOEING7 : See post 28
43 art : It's a severe setback to the 787 but Boeing produces about 500 other airliners a year. Would the grounding for a few months of a model with a product
44 Post contains links someone83 : Photos of the first til ILFC/Norwegian in the FAL http://media.norwegian.com/#/image/v...mliner-fra-boeing-fabrikken-175476
45 Stitch : I should have worded that "Boeing being forced to pull the plug on the 787".
46 KarelXWB : Update on ZB001, the first 787-9: "Earlier this week, Boeing's modified 747 Dreamlifter ferried the first major sections of the 787-9 to North Charles
47 Post contains links KarelXWB : Production update. - LN39 ET #5 finished change incorporation. http://paineairport.com/kpae5937.htm - LN96 BY #3 finished final assembly and is now in
48 Post contains links United787 : As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft
49 flightsimer : That's just under 1/3 of the total 2013 projected deliveries of 65. Seems like that 65 was a low target and they will easily be able to deliver that
50 Post contains images KELPkid : So who gets pulled into the change incorporation line in its place? There is light at the end of the tunnel....
51 KarelXWB : I think LN36 for CH will be next.
52 chiad : Is there any new information on Boeing's planned delivery of the B787? If there is .. say ... 2 month delay before "normal production" commences, will
53 NYC777 : Boeing is still producing as before, nothing has changed except they can't fly them after they build them. If they can't fly them they can't deliver t
54 Post contains links KarelXWB : Let's not discuss the battery problem / grounding in the production thread. You can do that in FAA Grounds 787, Part 8 (by 777ER Feb 5 2013 in Civil A
55 Post contains links 777ER : Please keep this thread on topic and not discussing the battery issues, cancelled B787 flights and compensation talks. I've just done a big deletion r
56 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : LN85 for Hainan Airlines is now on CHS flightline: (picture uploaded by http://twitter.com/Kearney_Brendan)
57 PHX787 : I would like to say that Boeing has conducted test flights in order to see what's going on with the battery....The nature of those flights are unknow
58 Post contains links flood : China Southern's N1014X was moved to the front of the line Friday night, after having been ferried back from TX on Thursday. Open hangar had just devo
59 kanban : I'd say no now that part 9 is open.
60 Post contains links KarelXWB : LN97 / JA819A is outside and in paint. http://paineairport.com/kpae5978.htm
61 BlueShamu330s : Looks like it's getting pretty full on the line. Are built frames just standing idle or, and it would indicate increased chance of a longer grounding,
62 carpethead : With one month since the grounding creeping up, at what time will Boeing have to consider slowing down the production rate or in the worst case scenar
63 ba319-131 : - This is a very valid question. One also has to factor in the additional manhour's and cost to undertake whatever retrofit the 50 delivered bird's a
64 hkcanadaexpat : Still plenty of room at Everett. As of yesterday, the following slots were empty (probably others i can't account for and potential optimization of 77
65 PW100 : That point is still way ahead. I expect that the rework cost per airframe to change the battery is very manageable. Shutting down a production line l
66 carpethead : Agreed. I and probably most everybody thinks shutting down the production line is a last resort. However, what if the electrical and battery system n
67 KarelXWB : Everett assembles 4 frames a month.
68 Stitch : Still cheaper then closing the line and restarting it. And change incorporation will be simpler than what Boeing has been doing on early-build frames
69 KarelXWB : Randy Tinseth today reiterates Boeing will continue 787 production at 5/month with no plans to change.
70 PW100 : So no confirmation on the planned ramp up to ten/month by year-end . . . ? Or would that be covered by this: Hard to tell from my position without re
71 kanban : I don't think they will continue the ramp up until the battery problem is solved.. so it's not off, it's just does not have a definite date.
72 KarelXWB : Aspire Aviation reports that the 787-9 should fly 4 months after the start of final assembly.
73 hkcanadaexpat : scheduled to begin final assembly in early June so that would mean first flight in early Oct. air new zealand still sticking to Q2-2014 for first 789
74 Post contains images KarelXWB : Storage history all over again :/
75 NYC777 : Does anyone know who the following Boeing customer codes belong to: ABD KBL Thanks.
76 PM : Pure guess. Air Berlin Deutschland?
77 7BOEING7 : Boeing codes and ICAO codes are similar in many cases. ICAO ABD is Air Atlanta Icelandic
78 NYC777 : Weird, would one leasor lease and aircraft to another leasor?
79 Hamlet69 : Similar, but not always identical. It's been years since I looked at a firing order, but a couple examples from memory: British Airways ICAO use BAW
80 7BOEING7 : That's why I didn't say in all cases, but it seemed better than Presidential Flight which was the Boeing code for ABD several years ago. What is your
81 NYC777 : ILFC is leasing 787s to carriers with codes ABD and KBL.
82 NYC777 : I agree, I jst updated my spreadsheet with L/N 131 to L/N 160 and there are two ILFC Dreamliners heading to ABD and KBL. I'm still working to find ou
83 KarelXWB : @NYC777 I was reading your latest blog article and noticed the following section: Now your list shows: ZB001 Boeing ZB002 Boeing ZB021 Boeing ZB197 AN
84 NYC777 : It might be, I wouldn't be surprised though I am surprised that Boeing would start building a 787-9 for ANA this early as ZB197 (if the production ra
85 NYC777 : Ok I found out who ABD and KBL is. ABD - UAE Presidential Flight - It seems that the UAE is leasing a 787 through ILFC instead of buying a BBJ. KBL -
86 7BOEING7 : Had Presidential Flight right, just didn't know which President.
87 NYC777 : It still is Boeing's code for UAE Presidential Flight according to Boeing O & D site.[Edited 2013-02-20 12:05:56]
88 PHX787 : Weren't there a few mystery BBJ orders which weren't previously publicly announced? Maybe these are it. Obviously the UAE one is probs going to an oi
89 flightsimer : There are a total of 12 787 BBJs on order with Boeing . Of those 12, it appears 6 will be leased through various companies as only 6 are listed with
90 Post contains links Humanitarian : The Google founders 767-200 (N2767) is owned by Blue City Holdings, LLC and their 757 has been for sale. I seem to recall reading they were buying a 7
91 NYC777 : Well these are not coming from BBJ but are leased from ILFC.
92 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Engines on the Chinese birds (LN34 and LN43) are being removed. It might be an indication of long term storage. Source http://www.flickr.com/photos/mi
93 Rheinbote : Does ANA need true 8,000NM range capability on any of their routes? If so, we may see -8s delivered to ANA earlier replaced by new -9s. Just guessing
94 817Dreamliiner : The -9s will be configured with around 400 seats to replace the 772A's on domestic routes.
95 Post contains links KarelXWB : @NYC777 Matt Cawby captured the following picture of the EMC yesterday: http://paineairport.com/kpae6059.htm We can see the following birds: - LN17 /
96 United787 : Are you saying that these are out of change incorporation?
97 KarelXWB : No, the 4 frames nearby the EMC are undergoing some kind of preparation before entering the EMC. A month ago we had: - LN17 / ZA150 (Royal Air Maroc)
98 LO231 : I have flown SP-LRA and - LRB. Not on your list.... Yes, I am talking LOT again, hehe....
99 Someone83 : LN102, first for Norwegian, should have rolled out and parked at the 40-51 Ramp according to Allthings787. Anyone seen pictures?
100 Post contains links KarelXWB : This picture was taken 3 hours ago and shows no LN102 on the 40-51 ramp. http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8553035201/sizes/o/in/contacts/
101 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Now LN79 - another Chinese bird - has lost its engines too.
102 United787 : DELIVERED TO DATE: 50 Aircraft to 8 Airlines DELIVERIES PRIOR TO 2013 NH-17; JL-7; UA–6; AI-5; QR-5; ET-4; LA-3; LO-2 2013 DELIVERIES TO DATE L/N 54
103 Someone83 : For some reason: Boeing has removed this from their 2013 deliveries overview
104 United787 : 30 Day Money Back Guarantee?
105 KarelXWB : I read there is a financial issue with LN54.
106 Post contains links KarelXWB : And here it is: http://paineairport.com/kpae6118.htm LN102, the first 787 for Norwegian.
107 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : Looks like we could have more to discuss sooner rather than later--a lot sooner http://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing...s-787-battery-tests-153144420.h
108 PHX787 : Does anyone have any tracks of the test flights, or any insider word from Seattle on how those actually went?
109 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : They took place on the 9th and 11th of February on ZA005. According to the press conference it was highly instrumented and during these flights, due
110 Post contains links KarelXWB : Another roll out, probably LN103 / ZA466. http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8576795142/
111 Post contains links KarelXWB : Per company spokesman, #Boeing SC rolled out another 787 last night, its 7th overall and 1st in more than 2 months. http://twitter.com/Kearney_Brendan
112 ER757 : Any idea what customer this one's for?
113 Dan23 : According to the production list on AllThings787 it is most likely either LN91 for Air India or LN95 for China Southern[Edited 2013-03-21 17:50:49]
114 KarelXWB : It's LN91 for Air India.
115 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : And a picture of the CHS flightline. (uploaded by http://twitter.com/Kearney_Brendan)
116 Post contains images 817Dreamliiner : Not sure if I should post in this thread or the grounding one, but Matt Cawby just tweeted that a flight crew is on SP-LRC to do ground tests and then
117 Post contains links someone83 : LN102, the first for Norwegian, has been painted http://www.vg.no/reise/artikkel.php?artid=10115164
118 Post contains links United787 : This is true, so I removed the delivery from my list. Is this plane in Air India's hands in India or in Seattle? As always, thank you to All Things 7
119 Post contains links mattcawby : It was moved to the flightline Wednesday night, photo here: http://kpae.blogspot.com/
120 Post contains links KarelXWB : The next Air India bird has finished change incorporation (LN32 / ZA235 / VT-ANG). See http://paineairport.com/kpae6181.htm (the one with the engines
121 Stitch : Boeing shows a 787 delivery to AI on 28 March 2013 so perhaps AI has again taken ownership.
122 KarelXWB : There was a financial issue with VT-ANJ but it is resolved now. The plane flew to India in the beginning of the year however.
123 N14AZ : Do you have a picture from Seattle as well? Should be interesting to see all these 787s produced so far.
124 Post contains links KarelXWB : Matt Cawby has some awesome pictures of the Everett flightline: http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8511104829/ http://paineairport.com/images/kpae
125 Post contains links KarelXWB : The 4th 787 for Thomson emerged from the final assembly line: LN 106 / ZA320 / G-TUID. See http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8619950979/sizes/o/ Afte
126 hkcanadaexpat : The tail is too dark of a shade of blue to be TUI's colors. This is most likely LN 107 for ANA. Also moon's latest pictures seem to show 4 painted TU
127 KarelXWB : Seems you are right. In that case BA #1 should roll out somewhere next week (and might be painted before the end of the month).
128 Post contains images booforty : Awesome pictures, thanks for posting the links
129 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Hmm, LN108 BA #1 is now outside too. [Edited 2013-04-10 08:16:07]
130 hkcanadaexpat : With FAA Approval expected as early as Monday, this is the likely first few deliveries of 787s. First delivery could occur as early as April as the fi
131 KarelXWB : I'm not sure if LOT will take delivery of LRC, LRD and LRE anytime soon. They don't need the 787 until October due the 767 lease extension.
132 hkcanadaexpat : They'd probably prefer to use the 787s this summer (premium product + lower operating costs). I'm sure they'll look to Boeing for compensation on the
133 PHX787 : LOT Said they're keeping their 787s on the ground until October anyway
134 KarelXWB : In that case it makes no sense to take delivery of the other 3 frames.
135 Stitch : If the 787 is ready in May, I really don't see LOT keeping their planes parked for five months generating no revenue while they make payments and pay
136 sweair : It would be absurd not to take them if possible, training can be done etc if they have some spare time on the ground.
137 KarelXWB : LRA en LRB should resume flight but there is no room for LRC, LRD and LRE unless they park the 767 (which will also cost money) or open some new rout
138 hkcanadaexpat : SP-LRC is defacto ready. Its had 5 flights post-battery fix. As soon as the FAA lifts the grounding, Boeing will be calling Warsaw asking them to send
139 KarelXWB : It think you are a bit too optimistic. Other customers have said to start compensation talks once the battery fix has been approved. I expect LOT to
140 Post contains images hkcanadaexpat : Rather than keep arguing in the forum, we'll let time tell us who's right. There's just absolutely no scenario under which those 3 frames will be stor
141 KarelXWB : I just cannot see a customer taking any new frames if they cannot use them and I doubt they will store them in Warsaw instead.
142 PHX787 : I think theyre gonna be sent to MZJ for a while.
143 hkcanadaexpat : A bit of movement at Everett on Monday... - JA-821A out of paint shop in full livery at the fuel dock - VT-ANG finished re-incorporation and moved to
144 KarelXWB : See also reply #120 for more info on VT-ANG.
145 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : Something's happening: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE380 (GUN LN 34 B-1) http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE512 (ANA LN 83 I'm guessing a C
146 kanban : Matt noted that GUN was to be a B1, and ANA is an engineering check..
147 Post contains links KarelXWB : General Electric’s second package of upgrades for the GEnx-1B (PIP II) engine on the Boeing 787 has been certificated by the FAA. More info here.
148 Post contains links United787 : As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft
149 KarelXWB : According to Matt, the ANA bird has the new battery onboard.[Edited 2013-04-18 12:23:54]
150 NYC777 : Boeing has confirmed to me that they re resuming standard Boeing test flights with no restrictions. The FAA has okayed these flights and all 787s flow
151 zkokq : Awesome, one step closer back towards to airline ops
152 NYC777 : Ok the one more step has been taken and Boeing is now cleared to resume deliveries. I expect deliveries to resume around end of April to very early Ma
153 sweair : That is a huge backlog of semi-deliverable planes. With the new delivery center in operation, I expect the pace will be frantic the coming months. Air
154 morrisond : I'm flying YYZ to LHR on BA 92 (767) August 9 which apparently is one of BA's first 4-787 Destinations, returning on the 19th on a 767 as well. Readin
155 KarelXWB : Impossible to say at this point in time. BA would originally take its first 787 in May, that's a month between FAL roll out and delivery. I think the
156 Tristarsteve : Practically nil. BA hopes to receive two B787 before July, but they have a big program of crew training and then European flying before longhaul serv
157 KarelXWB : LN 83 is scheduled for another check flight on Saturday.
158 PHX787 : Contact at NH Wings told me that expect 787 deliveries very soon. He used the words "Sugu tochaku," which means coming almost immediately. Japanese is
159 hkcanadaexpat : JA-818A is as ready as they get for delivery having had 9 flights tests (more than usual due to testing of other mods - software/electrical) includin
160 Post contains images PHX787 : Thanks for this. HND is within easy access from my school (about 30 minutes) so if there's a delivery there please let me know. I'll stop by for the
161 hkcanadaexpat : According to a bloomberg article (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-21/ana-jal-said-to-plan-to-start-787-repairs-after-fixes-approved.html) today
162 NYC777 : FYI, Boeing is building the 787 at 7/month now. Everett is at 5/month (loading a new aircraft every 6 days) and Charleston is at 2/month. The first 78
163 Post contains links NYC777 : ZA431 is scheduled for a B-1 flight out of CHS this morning. The fist 787 to fly from CHS since the grounding. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE4
164 Post contains links and images PM : Not according to the BBC! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22251756 "Mr Loftis said he did not expect the issue to have any lasting negative impact
165 hkcanadaexpat : Its neither here or there. They'll be pushing 7 frames in May but back down to 5 during the next few months as the 789 test aircrafts clog up the Sur
166 NYC777 : In Everett they're loading one aircraft every 6 days. Assuming a 30 day work week that's 5 aircraft per month in Everett. The manager at CHS already
167 ual747-600 : I think it can also be noted that the frequency of Dreamlifter flights to Japan has been increasing lately to reflect the higher production rate. UAL7
168 kanban : Gads.. that's worse than my error the other day of a 20 day work week.. The question is whether or not they are working a 20 day month or a 30 day mo
169 milestones787 : Forgive me if this has already been discussed, but what is the status of the Hainan and China Southern 787s? Has there been any progress with the gove
170 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Say hi to the CHS flightline: (picture: Arisara Petersen)[Edited 2013-04-23 12:59:08]
171 Stitch : The last reports were from early January noting the CAAC was refusing certification because of safety concerns and delivery delays.
172 Post contains links KarelXWB : I also heard about the increasing Dreamlifter operations. NYC777, I have a question about your production list. First, this is the list with CHS buil
173 Post contains links starbucks : Looks like the BA 787 has blue engines now... http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/326818480194220033/photo/1 Picture found via Twitter[Edited 2013-04-
174 kanban : Does anyone know how many post delivery Service Bulletins (air frame and engines) may be out there for incorporation during the battery upgrade work?
175 KarelXWB : Boeing today confirmed that the 787 production rate has been increased to 7 frames per month.[Edited 2013-04-24 08:09:28]
176 PHX787 : Now that's fine and dandy, but when are they gonna start shipping them to customers?
177 KarelXWB : More updates are coming in: - The 787 deliveries will resume in early May. - Most 787 aircraft could have battery upgrades done by mid May. - Boeing
178 NYC777 : LN 100 is still inside the final assembly building even though it is completed. The 6 planes that are outside are LN 72 to LN 95.
179 KarelXWB : That explains it, thanks.
180 Post contains links KarelXWB : The first 787-9 serial numbers and test registrations are now loaded into the FAA database. cn 41988 Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner N789EX cn 41989 Boeing 78
181 Post contains links tortugamon : 787 production will have to increase in order to launch 787-10. 2017 EIS is mentioned: From the FG article: As the proposed 320-seat version of the 78
182 tortugamon : Do we know what the expected production ramp up will look like for the 787-9? Is there usually a break in production after these three test frames or
183 KD5MDK : Is it just me or is the 0 travelled work step an important one?
184 sonomaflyer : It's important along with a 60% reduction in production costs. Once the battery issue is done, the way should be clear for Boeing to focus on the -9
185 7BOEING7 : Depends on which traveled work you're talking about. "0" travelled work (factory to flight line) has never before been attained on any Boeing airplan
186 KarelXWB : There is large definition of "traveling work" but they mean there is no work left anymore on parts of the subcontractors. It's now only a matter of fi
187 Post contains links KarelXWB : ZA431 / LN76 (Hainan Airlines) on its way from CHS to FTW for painting. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20130425/1830Z/KCHS/KFTW[Edit
188 WarpSpeed : Important reduction in production costs, indeed. However, McNerney said this lags the experience in the 777 program. As such, much more work to do. T
189 KarelXWB : LN89 / JA830J is scheduled for a B1 flight today.
190 hkcanadaexpat : Based on most recent activity and aircraft positioning, it looks like the delivery firing order looks like this (excluding the Chinese birds which rem
191 frigatebird : Is AI now back in the running to take their 787s again? I have been away from internet the first 3 months of 2013, so I might have missed some news d
192 hkcanadaexpat : i'm sure they'll play hard ball again re: compensation for grounding but no other issues stopping them from taking deliveries. AI actually took the l
193 caetravlr : I know I would probably know this if I had been paying more attention, but about how long does it take for it to get painted and then for it to get b
194 Post contains links xcoaster1 : Hainan's new 787 [B-2722] arriving at KFTW yesterday, good to see them flying again: http://youtu.be/0Xm-1hq_0mI
195 hkcanadaexpat : frames spend about 10 days in Fort Worth before flying back to CHS. Cheers A
196 NYC777 : They need them. They'll bitch and moan about compensation and Boeig will give it to them but they need these airplanes especially in light of the Eth
197 NYC777 : Expect the first 787-9 to enter final assembly around May 31st in 40-24.
198 KarelXWB : Additionally, AI want to sell those frames asap and then lease them back to bring in sufficient cash flows.
199 caetravlr : Thank you! I think the bitching and the moaning about the compensation is also another reason I am looking forward to seeing some other liveries on t
200 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : JAL ZA184 (89) off on it's B-1: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE184
201 Post contains links tortugamon : Two pieces of exciting news. Looks like we see why there has been movement on the China aircraft and NH is scheduling 787 flights June 1. "China's avi
202 tortugamon : From the Washington Post article regarding ANA: "The airline expects to receive 10 more planes in the year to March and will assign the next delivery
203 tortugamon : In regard to the China birds hkcanadaexpat has laid out the units that are most ready to go: After that, there appears to be 7 other aircraft without
204 KarelXWB : Of course, they took delivery of about the same amount in 2012. Those birds are still sitting in storage and it takes at least 8 months to rework the
205 hkcanadaexpat : These are the 10 birds ANA will receive between now and fiscal year end (31 March 2014): 1) LN 83 / ZA 512 / JA-818A (May 2013) 2) LN 97 / ZA 513 / JA
206 KarelXWB : I'm not sure if I understand your question entirely, but this is what Jon Ostrower once explained about the ANA frames: - ZA500+: 335 seat high densi
207 PHX787 : Looks like NH is going to run 2-4 test flights per day beginning tomorrow (I didn't see much movement today so I'm not sure if they took off or not) b
208 hkcanadaexpat : JA-809A did two round trips HND-CTS-HND today. Cheers A
209 Post contains links hkcanadaexpat : For those of you also wondering why Norwegian's first 787 still has no regs on it despite it being in full paint, the answer lies in the attached... h
210 PHX787 : Sounds good, I saw your post in the other thread. Over golden week I'm going to get over towards HND to try to catch them on FB. When are they typica
211 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : GUN ZA380 (34) out on a B-2: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE380
212 Post contains images tortugamon : I thought LN 22 had a chance to go to NH but it looks like Boeing passed it by when they pulled other earlier aircraft into the EMC. #22 isn't a terr
213 lightsaber : Ghad... Aren't there supposed to be Chinese aircraft parked there too? I see on "all things 787" a few Hainan birds at CHS as well as China Southern.
214 KarelXWB : Hi lightsaber, Of the 6 birds on the flightline, 2 are for Air India (1 painted, 1 red tail), 3 for Hainan Airlines (3 other red tails) and 1 for Chi
215 KarelXWB : According the rumors going around: - LAN will not take up LN10 and LN16 - ANA will not take up LN11, 12, 13, 14, 15 and 18 and probably LN22 too - Ro
216 tortugamon : Thanks KarelXWB for passing on the rumors on these frames. So it looks like we have 11 orphans that will need to find homes. It sounds like Lion Air
217 Post contains links carpethead : NH has posted on its website the planned modification schedule for the 787s already delivered. The link is below and in English. http://www.ana.co.jp/
218 tortugamon : I read this link to mean that fixes to four NH aircraft should already be complete and at least four more should be complete by the end of the week.
219 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : LN20 or LN21 finished change incorporation after spending at least 8 months inside the EMC. Enjoy the old JAL livery while it lasts, it will be repain
220 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : I did some research and I think the above one is JA823J / LN21. LN20 always had its registration on it: LN21 however never had a registration:
221 KarelXWB : I believe ZA006 will become a BBJ indeed. There are 3 customers in line for the terrible teens: Batik Air (5), Transaero (4) and RwandAir (2). That's
222 Post contains links KarelXWB : LN90 B1 flight plan pops up: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20130430/1700Z/KPAE/KMWH
223 tortugamon : Great spot. Thanks. It is interesting that only two of the 11 have GE engines which makes me think those would be the ones to go to RwandAir so all t
224 KarelXWB : The planes in storage don't have engines attached, swapping the pylon to fit another type of engine should not be an issue. They usually start from t
225 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : Now that AIN ZA242 (90) has completed it's B-1 it looks like TUI ZA 317 (92) is going to give it a try -- if not today, tomorrow: http://flightaware.c
226 tortugamon : It looks like LN 92 is in the air at this moment and I think that helps us to determine Boeing's strategy. IMO they must be spreading these anticipat
227 hkcanadaexpat : This is unfortunately not the strategy... Its generally based on production order with a few exceptions for customers not ready to take their frames
228 Post contains images tortugamon : And I thought I was on to something. It seemed like way too many coincidences. It isn't just the LOT and Chinese birds. It appears they have not done
229 hkcanadaexpat : I think what you need to remember is that some (if not most) of these aircrafts are conducting test flights without full battery fix having been done
230 tortugamon : I am not sure how I missed that news. From the sounds of it most of these aircraft do not have the fix. Interesting. I am sure NYC777 is monitoring a
231 7BOEING7 : I don't think that is necessarily true. The two airplanes you mentioned are CHS frames -- there is less manpower to do the battery fix and they need
232 Post contains images tortugamon : Great point. Even greater point That makes sense to me as well. ANA has 200+ planned test flights and it looks light they have completed three test f
233 Post contains links KarelXWB : LN81 ferry flight to FTW today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...3/history/20130503/1700Z/KCHS/KFTW LN76 is in paint and will return to CHS toda
234 Post contains links United787 : As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft
235 Post contains links KarelXWB : Another B1 flight: ZA318, the second frame for Thomson. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...8/history/20130503/1600Z/KPAE/KMWH
236 Post contains links 777ER : 787 Production/delivery Thread Part 14 (by 777ER May 3 2013 in Civil Aviation)
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