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787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13  
User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4448 posts, RR: 6
Posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 58932 times:
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Since the last thread received over 250 replies, please continue the discussion here.

Previous thread:
787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12 (by SA7700 Dec 7 2012 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2819 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 58990 times:

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

DELIVERED TO DATE: 50 Aircraft to 8 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO JANUARY
NH-17; JL-7; UA–6; AI-5; QR-5; ET-4; LA-3; LO-2

JANUARY DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ – 1/2/2013 - AI #6

NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Tentative - Subject to Change
L/N 83 - JA818A - 1/xx/2013 - NH #18
L/N 72 - VT-ANM – 1/xx/2013 - AI #7
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – 1/xx/2013 – LO #3
L/N 87 - SP-LRD – 1/xx/2013 – LO #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 88 - SP-LRE – 1/xx/2013 – LO #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 89 – JA830J – 1/xx/2013 – JL #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 90 - VT-ANN – 2/xx/2013 - AI #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 92 - G-TUIA – 2/xx/2013 – BY #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 43 - B-2727 – 3/xx/2013 - CZ #1
L/N 73 - B-2728 – x/xx/2013 - HU #1
L/N 34 – B-2725 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 79 - B-2730 – x/xx/2013 - HU #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 76 - B-2729 – x/xx/2013- HU #3 Awaiting first flight


I had thought L/Ns 87, 88, 89 would have had their B-1s by now...these are looking more and more like February deliveries...


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 58734 times:

UA is supposed to get its 7th and 8th 787 during the second half of 2013, correct? I was hoping we would see at least 10-15 by years end.


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User currently onlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 58676 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 1):
I had thought L/Ns 87, 88, 89 would have had their B-1s by now...these are looking more and more like February deliveries...

LN 88 has a long way to go as not even in paint yet. LN 89 and 90 are most likely going to pass it as they are both in paint and on the flightline.

A


User currently onlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 58665 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 2):

UA #7 probably around mid-July (begins assembly in April)
UA#8 most likely towards year end as it is being built in Charleston starting mid-year


User currently offlineflyingcello From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 58653 times:

Can anyone confirm the various line numbers at which the block improvements were to come? For example, when did the final side-of-body design, or the final centre wing box design, kick in? And which line numbers were the first to see the weight improvements? I think (although stand to be corrected) that there were two major weight improvement points. From memory, L/N 90 was supposed to be significant.

[Edited 2013-01-14 15:42:12]

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 8045 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 58184 times:

When NH takes delivery if a 787 frame, where is it delivered to? As mentioned in the 748 thread I am relocating to tokyo in march and if I get the right info on a delivery I may be able to catch it on arrival. Also after delivery is it immediately put into service or is it placed in a hangar for tech?


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User currently onlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 58185 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):

So far all NH deliveries have been to HND and all JL deliveries have been to NRT.

A


User currently offlinemoggef From Japan, joined Jan 2013, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 57960 times:

The LN126 race is on.........ShinMaywa Industries announced on January 9 that "it has shipped the first wing spar for the Boeing 787-9 to Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI) that is in charge of assembling the wing section. ShinMaywa has built the new production line in the Takarazuka Plant, Hyogo Prefecture in preparation for increase in production".

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 57825 times:

Some more interesting info on the 787-9:

Quote:
Boeing quietly unveils the new architecture of the 787-9 horizontal stabilizer during SLC ceremony. No more center box.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/5...boeing-building-lake-salt.html.csp

The 787-9 H-Stab is the biggest change between -8 and -9. Totally different design. Goes from three pieces to two.

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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3559 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 57673 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):
Boeing quietly unveils the new architecture of the 787-9 horizontal stabilizer during SLC ceremony. No more center box.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/5...boeing-building-lake-salt.html.csp

The 787-9 H-Stab is the biggest change between -8 and -9. Totally different design. Goes from three pieces to two.

Is it likely that this change eventually will be implemented on the -8?


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6447 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 57004 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 10):
Is it likely that this change eventually will be implemented on the -8?

It is possible that LN/5 was flight testing this very modification   I know that LN5 has been doing flight testing in support of the 787-9 program...



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 55657 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 4):
UA#8 most likely towards year end as it is being built in Charleston starting mid-year

How do you know that? Source?



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31681 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 55625 times:
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Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 4):
UA #7 probably around mid-July (begins assembly in April)
UA#8 most likely towards year end as it is being built in Charleston starting mid-year
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 12):
How do you know that? Source?

It's listed in the All Things 787 blog at http://nyc787.blogspot.com

LN117 (UA#7) is scheduled to be built in Everett and LN124 (UA#8) is scheduled to be built in Charleston.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13679 posts, RR: 100
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 55346 times:
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When is the next "terrible teen" scheduled for delivery? I'm behind a firewall that blocks the obvious source.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
It's listed in the All Things 787 blog at http://nyc787.blogspot.com

I highly recommend that blog for 787 fans.

Quoting flyingcello (Reply 5):
Can anyone confirm the various line numbers at which the block improvements were to come? For example, when did the final side-of-body design, or the final centre wing box design, kick in?

I second that. I'm forgetting exactly which is what even though I knew it before!    Yea... must remember numbers for work...  


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 8045 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 54673 times:

http://i46.tinypic.com/2vln0ye.jpg

Clearly as I stated in the NH thread the incidents in Japan aren't phasing Boeing much. This guy (N787FT) is aloft (ignore the second plane as its FAA delay)

Who is he going to?



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31681 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 54667 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):
Who is he going to?

N787FT is ZA005, one of the GEnx test frames that currently does not have a customer (I believe it was originally planned for Royal Air Maroc). At last report, it is expected to eventually be delivered as a 787VIP business jet at some indeterminate point in the future.

[Edited 2013-01-16 11:53:23]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 54635 times:

ZA005 is probably doing tests for the 787-9 program.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 54617 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 14):
When is the next "terrible teen" scheduled for delivery? I'm behind a firewall that blocks the obvious source.

I expect LN21 / JA823J for JAL to rollout soon.



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User currently offlineCapt747ret From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 35 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 54278 times:
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This reminds me of the grounding of the DC-10 fleet many years ago. With that there were lives and hull losses. None of us would want to think what would happen if we were half way to HNL when the battery starts to flame.

Years ago, I imagined thinking that with all those new DC-10’s now just sitting on the ground was it now their destiny to be tuned back into ingots of aluminum?

I went out and bought all the Douglas stock I could lay my hands on and margined it too. 30 days later I was handsomely rewarded.

It sure seems to be a battery problem and not an airplane design issue. Does this equal a scratched window or sticky fuel valve? Do I have to answer this question? Only the reporters have stupid and opportunistic tattooed on their forehead.

Short term fix: NiCad’s, Long term fix: new battery design, 787 effects NONE if not enhanced.


User currently offlinemke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2482 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 54149 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 1):
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – 1/xx/2013 – LO #3
L/N 87 - SP-LRD – 1/xx/2013 – LO #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 88 - SP-LRE – 1/xx/2013 – LO #5 Awaiting first flight


Here's some pics I found of all three:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8297820208/

(LRD is behind the dreamlifter, unpainted LRE in front)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8296769967/

Does anyone know when LRC will head out for delivery? When I was a little over three years old, my mom and I flew LO from ORD to WAW in May of 1995. Obviously I'm too young to remember, but my mom claims that our flight was operated by SP-LPB (763) and that it was its first official flight since it had come brand new straight from PAE. Is this realistic or is it likely that it would've gone to WAW first?



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User currently offlineOldTTAGuy From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 53773 times:

Why has the most tested airplane in history had electrical problems? The difference I note is that is had just come into "airline service" which is distinctively different than the testing and certification processes it has been through. I think the problem is ground power - the variety of ground power sources around the world and the people using them (perhaps incorrectly) is a very likely culprit. Power surges, frequency variations, voltage spikes - all could play havoc with the 787 systems. That's just an opinion of a 45 year airline guy but I've seen ground power fry aircraft circuits before and the 787 might just be a little more sensitive to the variations.

User currently offlinehhslax2 From Bahrain, joined Jan 2012, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 53625 times:

Quoting OldTTAGuy (Reply 21):

I agree with you that voltage spikes could cause this, but Boeing/Thales has to know to account for it during the design phase. I doubt Boeing would not have tested this before/during certification. The FAA may not have, being a govt org.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 8045 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 52905 times:

So due to the FAA directive, no deliveries are going to happen for some time. It's a shame but gives us a little bit of time to regroup.

Looking at All Things 787, (thank you to user NYC777) The next aircraft that was to be delivered was Ln83, ZA512, JA818A. Lines 43, 72, 73, and 86 were undergoing customer test flights. 87-90 and 92 were listed as pre-flight preps.

Of course we were still looking at CZ and Hainan Airlines dealing with CAAC issues.

When this A.D. is lifted, what do you think is going to happen? Is production halted? Will these orders be taken up in stride, or will deliveries be slowed considerably?



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 52843 times:

LN72 (AIC), LN83 (ANA), LN86 (LOT) should be the next in line for a delivery.

LN43 did a certification flight with the CAAC and is now at Fort Worth for a paint job. Both LN43 and LN73 are awaiting CAAC certification.

I don't expect the production to be halted, unless a union strike takes place (which is not related to the battery problem).



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 25, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 53179 times:

And in other news: LN34 - the second China Southern bird - is not visible anymore on Matt's latest flightline picture. It might be inside the paint shop and it will be interesting to see if it will receive the special livery too.

[Edited 2013-01-20 12:34:55]


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 8045 posts, RR: 18
Reply 26, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 52857 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 25):
And in other news: LN34 - the second China Southern bird - is not visible anymore on Matt's latest flightline picture. It might be inside the paint shop and it will be interesting to see if it will receive the special livery too.

Hmm Thats interesting, IIRC aren't all the CZ birds supposed to be painted like that?

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 24):
I don't expect the production to be halted, unless a union strike takes place (which is not related to the battery problem).

I see thanks for the update.



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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2657 posts, RR: 7
Reply 27, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 53693 times:

Dumb question - does the FAA grounding apply to revenue flights only or all flights? Could Boeing still do B1 flights on new builds?

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 24):
unless a union strike takes place

SPEEA isn't too happy with Boeing's last contract offer - they'll almost certainly authorize a strike wen they vote this week


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1861 posts, RR: 16
Reply 28, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 53627 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 27):
Dumb question - does the FAA grounding apply to revenue flights only or all flights? Could Boeing still do B1 flights on new builds?

Once they determine what went wrong, if Boeing can come up with an "alternate means of compliance" ( ACM), they could continue "B" flights but not "C" flights which require the airplane to be "in configuration". That could also be used to allow customers to ferry their airplanes to where ever the final fix would be incorporated. However, we're probably along way from either of these events happening.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31681 posts, RR: 85
Reply 29, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 53568 times:
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Quoting OldTTAGuy (Reply 21):
The difference I note is that is had just come into "airline service" which is distinctively different than the testing and certification processes it has been through.

The NH bird had been in revenue service for almost one year before the battery incident. Three other 787s had been in revenue service with them for over a year. While the JL bird that had the battery fire in BOS was a couple of months old, they have other airframes that have been in revenue service for well over half-a-year.


User currently offlineZKOKQ From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 480 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 53467 times:

How long could this grounding last before Boeing is crippled? I hope we dont get anywhere near that point.

I am sure it wont be long before congress steps in?


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31681 posts, RR: 85
Reply 31, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 53484 times:
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Quoting ZKOKQ (Reply 30):
How long could this grounding last before Boeing is crippled? I hope we dont get anywhere near that point.

I guess it's how you define "crippled".

Arguably, Boeing could pull the plug on the 787 program right now and probably still survive. The majority of development and inventory costs have already been spent and the contracts would spell out what the penalties are for non-delivery. It would a brutal financial hit, but Boeing diversified so much in the 1990s and 2000s to help protect them from the "boom and bust" cycle of Commercial Aviation.

Customers need widebody airplanes and Airbus can't build them fast enough to meet demand, so Boeing would shift many hundreds of 767s and 777s as replacements. And considering Boeing is projected to lose money on a significant number of 787 deliveries (due to them costing so much more to build than planned), even selling each replacement 767 and 777 at a 1% profit margin on each 767 and 777 could be better for Boeing compared to delivering them a 787 under the original contract. Of course, the longer term financial impact would be harsh and it would certainly make Airbus the dominant commercial airplane manufacturer going forward, so Boeing would likely concentrate even more on Defense and Space programs.

[Edited 2013-01-20 17:02:27]

User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 4029 posts, RR: 29
Reply 32, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 53373 times:
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Quoting ZKOKQ (Reply 30):
I am sure it wont be long before congress steps in?

congress can not over rule the FAA in this matter.. and Boeing's cash flow while affected is not hurting


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7038 posts, RR: 63
Reply 33, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 53185 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 29):
The NH bird had been in revenue service for almost one year before the battery incident.

Indeed. I flew on it in January of last year.


User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 34, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 53142 times:

Quoting OldTTAGuy (Reply 21):
That's just an opinion of a 45 year airline guy but I've seen ground power fry aircraft circuits before and the 787 might just be a little more sensitive to the variations.

This is certainly possible...the 777 went through a lot of teething around ground power units too (different technical symptoms though). There are a huge number of out-of-spec GPU's in the world. The airplane is supposed to be able to handle this but it doesn't always work.

Quoting ZKOKQ (Reply 30):
How long could this grounding last before Boeing is crippled?

I agree with Stitch, in theory the 787-8 could never fly again and Boeing would survive. It wouldn't be pretty, to be sure, but it's not a bet-the-farm situation like the 747 was.

Tom.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 35, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 52322 times:

LN93 / ZA383 (China Southern) is now outside the factory, picture by moonm:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8404607248/

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 26):
Hmm Thats interesting, IIRC aren't all the CZ birds supposed to be painted like that?

I could think of 2 reasons why LN34 might be inside the paint shop:

- LN34 will get the special livery too
- LN34 gets a fresh paint job because the current paint dates from 2011 and has probably some scratches on it etc

[Edited 2013-01-22 01:45:59]


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User currently onlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 36, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 52308 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 35):

According to China Southern, when they revealed the special lively design over a year ago, they said 9/10 aircraft would get it while LN 34 (the one already painted) would remain as is. Again things change but that was the plan a year ago.

I believe the press release is still on the CSN website (in chinese only).

A


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 37, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 52289 times:

Let's wait and see. As we are now a year further and LN34 needs a fresh paint job anyway it might receive the special livery too.

Quote:
According to China Southern

Thanks, I did not known it was official so I've removed the rumours from my previous post.

[Edited 2013-01-22 01:49:43]


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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 38, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 51697 times:

Thomson Airways' first 787 is now on the flightline painted, photo by Matt Cawby:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8406250151/



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 39, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 51632 times:

Looking good.

Now let's hope Boeing can restart the deliveries soon. Otherwise Paine Field will become crowded again.

[Edited 2013-01-23 01:55:56]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 40, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day ago) and read 50937 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 35):
- LN34 will get the special livery too

Confirmed now. Matt tweets:

Quote:
China Southern Airlines 787 B-2725 is out of the paint hangar and parked at the fuel dock. It's not within striking distance yet but has the same livery as B-2727.


[Edited 2013-01-24 00:15:48]


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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2819 posts, RR: 2
Reply 41, posted (2 years 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 50351 times:

Dumb Question: Does the 787 grounding affect Boeing B1 flights?

User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1861 posts, RR: 16
Reply 42, posted (2 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 50209 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 41):
Dumb Question: Does the 787 grounding affect Boeing B1 flights?

See post 28


User currently offlineart From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3407 posts, RR: 1
Reply 43, posted (2 years 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 49870 times:

Quoting ZKOKQ (Reply 30):
How long could this grounding last before Boeing is crippled? I hope we dont get anywhere near that point.

It's a severe setback to the 787 but Boeing produces about 500 other airliners a year. Would the grounding for a few months of a model with a production rate of less than 100 a year cripple them?

Quoting Stitch (Reply 31):
Arguably, Boeing could pull the plug on the 787 program right now and probably still survive.

Hypothetical scenario, agreed, but why would Boeing even contemplate forgoing the profit from expected sales of 1,500+ 787's and support/spares for them? The aircraft appears to have a problem with charging its batteries, That must surely be fixable without a major redesign of the whole electrical system.


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3559 posts, RR: 3
Reply 44, posted (2 years 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 49568 times:

Photos of the first til ILFC/Norwegian in the FAL

http://media.norwegian.com/#/image/v...mliner-fra-boeing-fabrikken-175476


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31681 posts, RR: 85
Reply 45, posted (2 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 49477 times:
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Quoting art (Reply 43):
Hypothetical scenario, agreed, but why would Boeing even contemplate forgoing the profit from expected sales of 1,500+ 787's and support/spares for them?

I should have worded that "Boeing being forced to pull the plug on the 787".


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 46, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 48317 times:

Update on ZB001, the first 787-9:

"Earlier this week, Boeing's modified 747 Dreamlifter ferried the first major sections of the 787-9 to North Charleston, S.C., from Japan, a person familiar with the manufacturing plans said. The special delivery is the first step toward assembling the jet's 20-foot-longer fuselage.

Body sections made in Italy are expected to arrive as early as next week, said the person, which will be combined with the Japanese pieces to create the largest fuselage section of the 787-9."

"Boeing's 747 Dreamlifter this week ferried Sections 43 and 45/11 from Japan to Charleston for ZB001, the first 787-9."

[Edited 2013-02-02 04:05:40]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 47, posted (1 year 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 47384 times:

Production update.

- LN39 ET #5 finished change incorporation. http://paineairport.com/kpae5937.htm
- LN96 BY #3 finished final assembly and is now inside the paint hangar (source: All things 787)
- Nice overview of the Everett flightline: http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9042.jpg

More pictures:
http://kpae.blogspot.nl/2013/02/paine-field-february-4.html



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2819 posts, RR: 2
Reply 48, posted (1 year 12 months 14 hours ago) and read 46876 times:

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

DELIVERED TO DATE: 50 Aircraft to 8 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO 2013
NH-17; JL-7; UA–6; AI-5; QR-5; ET-4; LA-3; LO-2

2013 DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ – 1/2/2013 - AI #6

NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Tentative - Subject to Change
L/N 83 - JA818A - x/xx/2013 - NH #18
L/N 72 - VT-ANM – x/xx/2013 - AI #7
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – x/xx/2013 – LO #3
L/N 87 - SP-LRD – x/xx/2013 – LO #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 88 - SP-LRE – x/xx/2013 – LO #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 89 – JA830J – x/xx/2013 – JL #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 90 - VT-ANN – x/xx/2013 - AI #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 92 - G-TUIA – x/xx/2013 – BY #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 94 - G-TUIB – x/xx/2013 – BY #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 96 - G-TUIC – x/xx/2013 – BY #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 39 - ET-AOO – xx/xx/2013 - ET #5 Awaiting first flight

L/N 43 - B-2727 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #1
L/N 73 - B-2728 – x/xx/2013 - HU #1
L/N 34 – B-2725 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 79 - B-2730 – x/xx/2013 - HU #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 76 - B-2729 – x/xx/2013- HU #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 81 - B-2731 – x/xx/2013- HU #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 93 - B-2733 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #3 Awaiting first flight


User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 632 posts, RR: 1
Reply 49, posted (1 year 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 46622 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 48):

That's just under 1/3 of the total 2013 projected deliveries of 65. Seems like that 65 was a low target and they will easily be able to deliver that this year.

Great to here the -9 is really starting to come together. Just a few more months till we see it rolling out of the factory on its own wheels and then a first flight!!!



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6447 posts, RR: 3
Reply 50, posted (1 year 12 months 11 hours ago) and read 46485 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 47):
- LN39 ET #5 finished change incorporation. http://paineairport.com/kpae5937.htm

So who gets pulled into the change incorporation line in its place?   There is light at the end of the tunnel....



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 51, posted (1 year 12 months 11 hours ago) and read 46419 times:

I think LN36 for CH will be next.


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User currently offlinechiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 46507 times:

Is there any new information on Boeing's planned delivery of the B787?
If there is .. say ... 2 month delay before "normal production" commences, will the frames just be stacked on the tarmac waiting for battery modification?
Will Boeing in that case still be able to deliver 65 frames in 2013?


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5810 posts, RR: 46
Reply 53, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 46245 times:

Boeing is still producing as before, nothing has changed except they can't fly them after they build them. If they can't fly them they can't deliver them.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 54, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 45830 times:

Let's not discuss the battery problem / grounding in the production thread. You can do that in FAA Grounds 787, Part 8 (by 777ER Feb 5 2013 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12455 posts, RR: 17
Reply 55, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 45716 times:
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Please keep this thread on topic and not discussing the battery issues, cancelled B787 flights and compensation talks. I've just done a big deletion run and the Moderators will be watching this thread

If users would like to discuss issues relating to the B787 grounding then please discuss them in this link FAA Grounds 787, Part 8 (by 777ER Feb 5 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Thank you


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 56, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 45034 times:

LN85 for Hainan Airlines is now on CHS flightline:


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 8045 posts, RR: 18
Reply 57, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 44608 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 55):
If users would like to discuss issues relating to the B787 grounding then please discuss them in this link FAA Grounds 787, Part 8 (by 777ER Feb 5 2013 in Civil Aviation)

I would like to say that Boeing has conducted test flights in order to see what's going on with the battery....The nature of those flights are unknown and I have no knowledge of them besides what gets pumped through my contacts and through Japanese media. Can we discuss those here? I would like to hear about those flights from the regulars on this thread.



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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1393 posts, RR: 1
Reply 58, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 44354 times:

China Southern's N1014X was moved to the front of the line Friday night, after having been ferried back from TX on Thursday. Open hangar had just devoured EK's A6-ENH.
http://www.pdxlight.com/other/N1014X.jpg

Flightline pano from the Stratodeck yesterday (30MB)
http://www.pdxlight.com/other/kpae30k.jpg


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 4029 posts, RR: 29
Reply 59, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 44320 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 57):
Can we discuss those here?

I'd say no now that part 9 is open.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 60, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 43842 times:

LN97 / JA819A is outside and in paint.

http://paineairport.com/kpae5978.htm



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User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 3107 posts, RR: 22
Reply 61, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 43740 times:
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Looks like it's getting pretty full on the line.

Are built frames just standing idle or, and it would indicate increased chance of a longer grounding, have Boeing started weather sealing them up?

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User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2994 posts, RR: 3
Reply 62, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 43458 times:

With one month since the grounding creeping up, at what time will Boeing have to consider slowing down the production rate or in the worst case scenario, shutting the line down?

User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8617 posts, RR: 54
Reply 63, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 43394 times:
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Quoting carpethead (Reply 62):
With one month since the grounding creeping up, at what time will Boeing have to consider slowing down the production rate or in the worst case scenario, shutting the line down?

- This is a very valid question.

One also has to factor in the additional manhour's and cost to undertake whatever retrofit the 50 delivered bird's and the one build but yet to be delivered will require.



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User currently onlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 64, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 43401 times:

Still plenty of room at Everett. As of yesterday, the following slots were empty (probably others i can't account for and potential optimization of 777 and 747 frames): EMC Position C, EMC Position E, EMC Position XC, EMC Position 2, Tower Ramp Position 2, 11-29 Position 1, 11-29 Position 10, 11-29 Position 11 and 11-29 Position 12. That's 9 slots.

The 9th next frame to come off the production line LN 108 (BA's first frame) is scheduled to come off the line around April 14th. So no rush in slowing things down from a space perspective.

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User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2636 posts, RR: 16
Reply 65, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 43085 times:

Quoting carpethead (Reply 62):
With one month since the grounding creeping up, at what time will Boeing have to consider slowing down the production rate or in the worst case scenario, shutting the line down?

That point is still way ahead. I expect that the rework cost per airframe to change the battery is very manageable.
Shutting down a production line like the 787, including all suppliers and sub suppliers, will certainly cost many times more on a per airframe basis.

The whole production system, from flight acceptance crew, to FAL to the larger suppliers to the smallest sub supplier could easily involve a total workforce of 50000 - 100000.
You just don't send those skilled people home for months or longer, and then expect them all to show up when you want to start production.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 64):
Still plenty of room at Everett

I fully expect that Boeing would get ferry flight permissions if they run out of storage space at Paine Field.

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User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2994 posts, RR: 3
Reply 66, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 42650 times:

Quoting PW100 (Reply 65):
That point is still way ahead. I expect that the rework cost per airframe to change the battery is very manageable

Agreed. I and probably most everybody thinks shutting down the production line is a last resort. However, what if the electrical and battery system needs a major re-design and modification. The process may take, say six months, then having 30 or so additional airframes that require major modification, in addition to the ones already delivered will be very costly too.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 64):
That's 9 slots

Weel, that's less than two months of production.
If the grounding takes over a couple more months; clear out some room at VCV, MHV or MZJ.
JAL & ANA birds could be joining too. Humidity levels are low now, but storing airplanes at HND cannot be good for the aircraft and expensive parking fees (then again most likely Boeing is picking up the bill).


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 67, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 42577 times:

Quoting carpethead (Reply 66):
Weel, that's less than two months of production.

Everett assembles 4 frames a month.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31681 posts, RR: 85
Reply 68, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 42513 times:
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Quoting carpethead (Reply 66):
However, what if the electrical and battery system needs a major re-design and modification. The process may take, say six months, then having 30 or so additional airframes that require major modification, in addition to the ones already delivered will be very costly too.

Still cheaper then closing the line and restarting it.

And change incorporation will be simpler than what Boeing has been doing on early-build frames.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 69, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 42198 times:

Randy Tinseth today reiterates Boeing will continue 787 production at 5/month with no plans to change.


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User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2636 posts, RR: 16
Reply 70, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 42057 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 69):
Randy Tinseth today reiterates Boeing will continue 787 production at 5/month . . .

So no confirmation on the planned ramp up to ten/month by year-end . . . ?

Or would that be covered by this:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 69):
. . . with no plans to change

Hard to tell from my position without reading the exact wording.



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 4029 posts, RR: 29
Reply 71, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 41989 times:
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Quoting PW100 (Reply 70):

So no confirmation on the planned ramp up to ten/month by year-end . . . ?

I don't think they will continue the ramp up until the battery problem is solved.. so it's not off, it's just does not have a definite date.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 72, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 41731 times:

Aspire Aviation reports that the 787-9 should fly 4 months after the start of final assembly.


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User currently onlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 73, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 41609 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 72):

scheduled to begin final assembly in early June so that would mean first flight in early Oct.
air new zealand still sticking to Q2-2014 for first 789 delivery which means a ~6-9 month test/certification period.

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 74, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 41338 times:

Storage history all over again :/




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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5810 posts, RR: 46
Reply 75, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 40561 times:

Does anyone know who the following Boeing customer codes belong to:

ABD
KBL

Thanks.



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7038 posts, RR: 63
Reply 76, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 40565 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 75):
Does anyone know who the following Boeing customer codes belong to:

ABD

Pure guess. Air Berlin Deutschland?


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1861 posts, RR: 16
Reply 77, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 40980 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 75):
Does anyone know who the following Boeing customer codes belong to:

ABD
KBL

Boeing codes and ICAO codes are similar in many cases.

ICAO ABD is Air Atlanta Icelandic


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5810 posts, RR: 46
Reply 78, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 40523 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 77):
Boeing codes and ICAO codes are similar in many cases.

ICAO ABD is Air Atlanta Icelandic

Weird, would one leasor lease and aircraft to another leasor?



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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2759 posts, RR: 58
Reply 79, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 40419 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 77):
Boeing codes and ICAO codes are similar in many cases

Similar, but not always identical. It's been years since I looked at a firing order, but a couple examples from memory:

British Airways
ICAO use BAW
Boeing use BAB

Cathay Pacific
ICAO use CPA
Boeing use CAT

Air France
ICAO use AFR
Boeing use AFA

There's others I can think of, but that gives you an idea. And since Air Atlanta Icelandic has no direct orders with Boeing, I'd suggest they are not Boeing's ABD. . .

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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1861 posts, RR: 16
Reply 80, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 40386 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 79):
Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 77):Boeing codes and ICAO codes are similar in many cases
Similar, but not always identical.

That's why I didn't say in all cases, but it seemed better than Presidential Flight which was the Boeing code for ABD several years ago.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 75):
Does anyone know who the following Boeing customer codes belong to:

ABD
KBL

Thanks.

What is your reason????


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5810 posts, RR: 46
Reply 81, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 40223 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 80):
What is your reason????

ILFC is leasing 787s to carriers with codes ABD and KBL.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5810 posts, RR: 46
Reply 82, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 40106 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 79):
There's others I can think of, but that gives you an idea. And since Air Atlanta Icelandic has no direct orders with Boeing, I'd suggest they are not Boeing's ABD. . .

I agree, I jst updated my spreadsheet with L/N 131 to L/N 160 and there are two ILFC Dreamliners heading to ABD and KBL. I'm still working to find out who they are but I doubt a leasing company is going to lease an aircraft to a competitor.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 83, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 39866 times:

@NYC777 I was reading your latest blog article and noticed the following section:

Quote:
Back to the 787-9, the list also shows ZB197 (LN 146) a 787-9 going to ANA. Why Boeing is building this aircraft for ANA before Air New Zealand, which is to take the first 787-9, is a mystery.

Now your list shows:

ZB001 Boeing
ZB002 Boeing
ZB021 Boeing
ZB197 ANA

I'm just guessing here but ZB021 is perhaps a production frame? Boeing need at least 1 production frame to certify the 787-9. ZB021 could be the one for Air New Zealand?



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5810 posts, RR: 46
Reply 84, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 39628 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 83):
I'm just guessing here but ZB021 is perhaps a production frame? Boeing need at least 1 production frame to certify the 787-9. ZB021 could be the one for Air New Zealand?

It might be, I wouldn't be surprised though I am surprised that Boeing would start building a 787-9 for ANA this early as ZB197 (if the production rate holds at current output) would be ready to be delivered around 4th quarter of this year. They might be assembling it early to to do some further testing.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5810 posts, RR: 46
Reply 85, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 39075 times:

Ok I found out who ABD and KBL is.

ABD - UAE Presidential Flight - It seems that the UAE is leasing a 787 through ILFC instead of buying a BBJ.

KBL - Sky Blue Holdings - I have no idea who this is but it sounds like another ILFC leased 787 as a business jet. Does anyone know anything about them?



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1861 posts, RR: 16
Reply 86, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 38905 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 80):
That's why I didn't say in all cases, but it seemed better than Presidential Flight which was the Boeing code for ABD several years ago.

Had Presidential Flight right, just didn't know which President.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5810 posts, RR: 46
Reply 87, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 38919 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 80):
That's why I didn't say in all cases, but it seemed better than Presidential Flight which was the Boeing code for ABD several years ago.

It still is Boeing's code for UAE Presidential Flight according to Boeing O & D site.

[Edited 2013-02-20 12:05:56]


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 8045 posts, RR: 18
Reply 88, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 38703 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 85):
ABD - UAE Presidential Flight - It seems that the UAE is leasing a 787 through ILFC instead of buying a BBJ.

KBL - Sky Blue Holdings - I have no idea who this is but it sounds like another ILFC leased 787 as a business jet. Does anyone know anything about them?

Weren't there a few mystery BBJ orders which weren't previously publicly announced? Maybe these are it. Obviously the UAE one is probs going to an oil mogul, and I'm guessing Sky Blue is something in Russia. Looks like they're based in Las Vegas....maybe a 787 going to Sands?



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User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 632 posts, RR: 1
Reply 89, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 38640 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 88):

There are a total of 12 787 BBJs on order with Boeing . Of those 12, it appears 6 will be leased through various companies as only 6 are listed with BBJ.

So we know at least three of them coming from ILFC.

* Michael Dell's
* UAE Presidential Flight
* SkyBlue Holdings

From doing a google search, there are two hits for SBH, one is based out of Las Vegas and the other may be out of Brea, California, but have have shut down. My guess its the Las Vegas one.



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User currently offlineHumanitarian From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 38456 times:

The Google founders 767-200 (N2767) is owned by Blue City Holdings, LLC and their 757 has been for sale. I seem to recall reading they were buying a 787.

http://gawker.com/318708/google-ceo-sells-a-jet-++-and-eyes-two-more


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5810 posts, RR: 46
Reply 91, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 38084 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 88):
Weren't there a few mystery BBJ orders which weren't previously publicly announced? Maybe these are it. Obviously the UAE one is probs going to an oil mogul, and I'm guessing Sky Blue is something in Russia. Looks like they're based in Las Vegas....maybe a 787 going to Sands?

Well these are not coming from BBJ but are leased from ILFC.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 92, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 37514 times:

Engines on the Chinese birds (LN34 and LN43) are being removed. It might be an indication of long term storage.

http://oi46.tinypic.com/zbm8x.jpg

http://oi47.tinypic.com/34qu5hh.jpg

Source http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8499804544/



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User currently offlineRheinbote From Germany, joined May 2006, 1968 posts, RR: 52
Reply 93, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 37111 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 84):
It might be, I wouldn't be surprised though I am surprised that Boeing would start building a 787-9 for ANA this early as ZB197 (if the production rate holds at current output) would be ready to be delivered around 4th quarter of this year. They might be assembling it early to to do some further testing.

Does ANA need true 8,000NM range capability on any of their routes? If so, we may see -8s delivered to ANA earlier replaced by new -9s. Just guessing.


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Reply 94, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 37074 times:

Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 93):

Does ANA need true 8,000NM range capability on any of their routes? If so, we may see -8s delivered to ANA earlier replaced by new -9s. Just guessing.

The -9s will be configured with around 400 seats to replace the 772A's on domestic routes.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 95, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 36524 times:

@NYC777

Matt Cawby captured the following picture of the EMC yesterday:
http://paineairport.com/kpae6059.htm

We can see the following birds:

- LN17 / ZA150 (Royal Air Maroc)
- LN19 / ZA151 (Royal Air Maroc)
- LN26 / ZA231 (Air India) *
- LN28 / ZA232 (Air India)

* The registration VT-ANB is readable in this picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8512627946/

We are missing LN36 / ZA381, may we assume this one is in Bay C now? And LN26 has taken its place outside the EMC.

[Edited 2013-02-27 03:33:08]


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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2819 posts, RR: 2
Reply 96, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 35624 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 95):
We can see the following birds:

- LN17 / ZA150 (Royal Air Maroc)
- LN19 / ZA151 (Royal Air Maroc)
- LN26 / ZA231 (Air India) *
- LN28 / ZA232 (Air India)

Are you saying that these are out of change incorporation?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 97, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 35260 times:

No, the 4 frames nearby the EMC are undergoing some kind of preparation before entering the EMC.

A month ago we had:

- LN17 / ZA150 (Royal Air Maroc)
- LN19 / ZA151 (Royal Air Maroc)
- LN28 / ZA232 (Air India)
- LN36 / ZA381 (China Southern)

And now we have:

- LN17 / ZA150 (Royal Air Maroc)
- LN19 / ZA151 (Royal Air Maroc)
- LN26 / ZA231 (Air India)
- LN28 / ZA232 (Air India)

So Boeing towed LN36 inside the EMC and pulled LN28 out of storage.



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User currently offlineLO231 From Belgium, joined Sep 2004, 2392 posts, RR: 22
Reply 98, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 34475 times:

Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):

I have flown SP-LRA and - LRB. Not on your list.... Yes, I am talking LOT again, hehe....



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Reply 99, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 33308 times:

LN102, first for Norwegian, should have rolled out and parked at the 40-51 Ramp according to Allthings787. Anyone seen pictures?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 100, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 33327 times:

This picture was taken 3 hours ago and shows no LN102 on the 40-51 ramp.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8553035201/sizes/o/in/contacts/



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 101, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 33168 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 92):
Engines on the Chinese birds (LN34 and LN43) are being removed. It might be an indication of long term storage.

Now LN79 - another Chinese bird - has lost its engines too.

http://oi48.tinypic.com/2cysnsm.jpg



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2819 posts, RR: 2
Reply 102, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 33691 times:

DELIVERED TO DATE: 50 Aircraft to 8 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO 2013
NH-17; JL-7; UA–6; AI-5; QR-5; ET-4; LA-3; LO-2

2013 DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ – 1/2/2013 - AI #6

NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Tentative - Subject to Change
L/N 83 - JA818A - x/xx/2013 - NH #18
L/N 72 - VT-ANM – x/xx/2013 - AI #7
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – x/xx/2013 – LO #3
L/N 87 - SP-LRD – x/xx/2013 – LO #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 88 - SP-LRE – x/xx/2013 – LO #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 89 – JA830J – x/xx/2013 – JL #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 90 - VT-ANN – x/xx/2013 - AI #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 92 - G-TUIA – x/xx/2013 – BY #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 94 - G-TUIB – x/xx/2013 – BY #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 96 - G-TUIC – x/xx/2013 – BY #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 39 - ET-AOO – xx/xx/2013 - ET #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 97 - JA819A - x/xx/2013 - NH #19 Awaiting first flight
L/N 98 – JA831J – x/xx/2013 - JL #9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 99 - A7-BCD – x/xx/2013 - QR #6 Awaiting first flight
L/N 91 - VT-ANO – x/xx/2013 - AI #9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 101 - JA820A - x/xx/2013 - NH #20 Awaiting first flight
L/N 102 – LN-BKA - x/xx/2013 - DY #1 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight

L/N 43 - B-2727 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #1
L/N 73 - B-2728 – x/xx/2013 - HU #1
L/N 34 – B-2725 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 79 - B-2730 – x/xx/2013 - HU #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 76 - B-2729 – x/xx/2013 - HU #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 81 - B-2731 – x/xx/2013 - HU #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 93 - B-2733 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 85 - B–2732 - x/xx/2013 - HU #5 Awaiting first flight


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3559 posts, RR: 3
Reply 103, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 33678 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 102):
2013 DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ – 1/2/2013 - AI #6

For some reason: Boeing has removed this from their 2013 deliveries overview


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2819 posts, RR: 2
Reply 104, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 33565 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 103):
For some reason: Boeing has removed this from their 2013 deliveries overview

30 Day Money Back Guarantee?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 105, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 33572 times:

I read there is a financial issue with LN54.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 106, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 32795 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 99):
LN102, first for Norwegian, should have rolled out and parked at the 40-51 Ramp according to Allthings787. Anyone seen pictures?
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 100):
This picture was taken 3 hours ago and shows no LN102 on the 40-51 ramp.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8...acts/

And here it is: http://paineairport.com/kpae6118.htm

LN102, the first 787 for Norwegian.



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1861 posts, RR: 16
Reply 107, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 32512 times:

Looks like we could have more to discuss sooner rather than later--a lot sooner

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing...s-787-battery-tests-153144420.html


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 8045 posts, RR: 18
Reply 108, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 32324 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 107):
Looks like we could have more to discuss sooner rather than later--a lot sooner

Does anyone have any tracks of the test flights, or any insider word from Seattle on how those actually went?



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1861 posts, RR: 16
Reply 109, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 32264 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 108):
Does anyone have any tracks of the test flights, or any insider word from Seattle on how those actually went?

They took place on the 9th and 11th of February on ZA005. According to the press conference it was highly instrumented and during these flights, due to some anomalies they noticed, they determined they also need to make modifications to the battery charger.


http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...5/history/20130209/2045Z/KBFI/KBFI

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...5/history/20130211/1815Z/KBFI/KBFI


There will be one certification flight on LOT #3.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 110, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 31477 times:

Another roll out, probably LN103 / ZA466.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8576795142/



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 111, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 30913 times:

Per company spokesman, #Boeing SC rolled out another 787 last night, its 7th overall and 1st in more than 2 months.

http://twitter.com/Kearney_Brendan/status/314847588878794752



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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2657 posts, RR: 7
Reply 112, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 30737 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 111):
Per company spokesman, #Boeing SC rolled out another 787 last night, its 7th overall and 1st in more than 2 months.

Any idea what customer this one's for?


User currently offlineDan23 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 30602 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 112):

According to the production list on AllThings787 it is most likely either LN91 for Air India or LN95 for China Southern

[Edited 2013-03-21 17:50:49]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 114, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 30230 times:

It's LN91 for Air India.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 115, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 29710 times:

And a picture of the CHS flightline.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGDYkg6CAAEU1Pt.jpg:large
(uploaded by http://twitter.com/Kearney_Brendan)



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 116, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 28977 times:

Not sure if I should post in this thread or the grounding one, but Matt Cawby just tweeted that a flight crew is on SP-LRC to do ground tests and then a test flight. Hope everything goes well.  


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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3559 posts, RR: 3
Reply 117, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 27991 times:

LN102, the first for Norwegian, has been painted

http://www.vg.no/reise/artikkel.php?artid=10115164


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2819 posts, RR: 2
Reply 118, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 27583 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 103):
For some reason: Boeing has removed this from their 2013 deliveries overview

This is true, so I removed the delivery from my list. Is this plane in Air India's hands in India or in Seattle?

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

DELIVERED TO DATE: 49 Aircraft to 8 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO 2013
NH-17; JL-7; UA–6; AI-5; QR-5; ET-4; LA-3; LO-2

NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Tentative - Subject to Change
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ – 1/2/2013 - AI #6 (Boeing has removed this from their delivery list)
L/N 83 - JA818A - x/xx/2013 - NH #18
L/N 72 - VT-ANM – x/xx/2013 - AI #7
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – x/xx/2013 – LO #3
L/N 87 - SP-LRD – x/xx/2013 – LO #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 88 - SP-LRE – x/xx/2013 – LO #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 89 – JA830J – x/xx/2013 – JL #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 90 - VT-ANN – x/xx/2013 - AI #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 92 - G-TUIA – x/xx/2013 – BY #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 94 - G-TUIB – x/xx/2013 – BY #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 96 - G-TUIC – x/xx/2013 – BY #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 39 - ET-AOO – xx/xx/2013 - ET #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 97 - JA819A - x/xx/2013 - NH #19 Awaiting first flight
L/N 98 – JA831J – x/xx/2013 - JL #9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 99 - A7-BCD – x/xx/2013 - QR #6 Awaiting first flight
L/N 91 - VT-ANO – x/xx/2013 - AI #9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 101 - JA820A - x/xx/2013 - NH #20 Awaiting first flight
L/N 102 – LN-BKA - x/xx/2013 - DY #1 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 95 - B-2734 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 103 - A7-BCE – x/xx/2013 - QR #7 Awaiting first flight
L/N 105 – JA83?J – x/xx/2013 - JL #10 Awaiting first flight

L/N 43 - B-2727 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #1
L/N 73 - B-2728 – x/xx/2013 - HU #1
L/N 34 – B-2725 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 79 - B-2730 – x/xx/2013 - HU #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 76 - B-2729 – x/xx/2013 - HU #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 81 - B-2731 – x/xx/2013 - HU #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 93 - B-2733 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 85 - B–2732 - x/xx/2013 - HU #5 Awaiting first flight


User currently offlinemattcawby From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 209 posts, RR: 16
Reply 119, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 26902 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 118):

LN102, the first for Norwegian, has been painted

It was moved to the flightline Wednesday night, photo here:

http://kpae.blogspot.com/



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 120, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 26759 times:

The next Air India bird has finished change incorporation (LN32 / ZA235 / VT-ANG). See http://paineairport.com/kpae6181.htm (the one with the engines attached).

VT-ANE and VT-ANC are still inside the EMC, so the other 2 outside are VT-ANB and VT-ANA. The latter one is the very first built for Air India, meaning they have no frames in storage anymore.

[Edited 2013-04-04 00:30:23]


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31681 posts, RR: 85
Reply 121, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 26448 times:
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Quoting United787 (Reply 102):
2013 DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ – 1/2/2013 - AI #6
Quoting Someone83 (Reply 103):
For some reason: Boeing has removed this from their 2013 deliveries overview

Boeing shows a 787 delivery to AI on 28 March 2013 so perhaps AI has again taken ownership.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 122, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 26160 times:

There was a financial issue with VT-ANJ but it is resolved now. The plane flew to India in the beginning of the year however.


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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2909 posts, RR: 25
Reply 123, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 26114 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 115):
...

Do you have a picture from Seattle as well? Should be interesting to see all these 787s produced so far.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 124, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 26157 times:

Matt Cawby has some awesome pictures of the Everett flightline:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8511104829/
http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9173.jpg
http://paineairport.com/kpae6057.htm
http://paineairport.com/kpae6058.htm
http://paineairport.com/images/fl032313.jpg
http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9233.jpg
http://paineairport.com/kpae6123.htm

More can be found at http://kpae.blogspot.com

[Edited 2013-04-04 14:02:33]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 125, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 25788 times:

The 4th 787 for Thomson emerged from the final assembly line: LN 106 / ZA320 / G-TUID.

See http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8619950979/sizes/o/

After this one we will have LN 107 (ANA) and LN 108 (BA).



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User currently onlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 126, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 24921 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 125):

The tail is too dark of a shade of blue to be TUI's colors. This is most likely LN 107 for ANA.
Also moon's latest pictures seem to show 4 painted TUI frames in the field (1 @ fuel dock, 2 @ flightline and 1 @ delivery center).

This would mean we are only a mere few days away from BA #1 coming out!

Cheers
A


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 127, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 25303 times:

Seems you are right. In that case BA #1 should roll out somewhere next week (and might be painted before the end of the month).


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User currently offlinebooforty From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 25167 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 124):
Matt Cawby has some awesome pictures of the Everett flightline:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8511104829/
http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9173.jpg
http://paineairport.com/kpae6057.htm
http://paineairport.com/kpae6058.htm
http://paineairport.com/images/fl032313.jpg
http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9233.jpg
http://paineairport.com/kpae6123.htm

More can be found at http://kpae.blogspot.com


Awesome pictures, thanks for posting the links  


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 129, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 24482 times:

Hmm, LN108 BA #1 is now outside too.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHf6wh-CcAII3AB.jpg:large

[Edited 2013-04-10 08:16:07]


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User currently onlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 130, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 23692 times:

With FAA Approval expected as early as Monday, this is the likely first few deliveries of 787s.
First delivery could occur as early as April as the first plane has been retrofited and flight tested.
In theory, could be only waiting for a successful C1 flight.

1) LOT SP-LRC / ZA 272 / LN 86 (retrofited + flight tested, awaiting C1)
2) ANA JA-818A / ZA 512 / LN 83 (has flown 8 times, needs retrofit + new flight tests)
3) AI VT-ANM / ZA 241 / LN 72 (first to be retrofitted @ Charleston, painted, has flown 3 times)

After that, most likely looking at (all on flightline, painted and awaiting retrofit):

4) LOT SP-LRD (ZA 273 / LN 87)
5) JAL JA-830J (ZA 184 / LN 89) - should be pushed out early to compensate for one stuck @ BOS
6) AI VT-ANN (ZA 242 / LN 90)
7) TUI G-TUIA (ZA 317 / LN 92)
8) TUI G-TUIB (ZA 318 / LN 94)
9) LOT SP-LRE (ZA 274 / LN 88)
10) TUI G-TUIC (ZA 319 / LN 96)

Cheers
A


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 131, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 23412 times:

I'm not sure if LOT will take delivery of LRC, LRD and LRE anytime soon. They don't need the 787 until October due the 767 lease extension.


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User currently onlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 132, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 23365 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 131):

They'd probably prefer to use the 787s this summer (premium product + lower operating costs). I'm sure they'll look to Boeing for compensation on the costs of those lease extensions and/or early termination as will most of the other airlines (the Japanese having been the most vocal about compensation so far).

A


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 8045 posts, RR: 18
Reply 133, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 23227 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 131):
I'm not sure if LOT will take delivery of LRC, LRD and LRE anytime soon. They don't need the 787 until October due the 767 lease extension.

LOT Said they're keeping their 787s on the ground until October anyway



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 134, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 23203 times:

In that case it makes no sense to take delivery of the other 3 frames.


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31681 posts, RR: 85
Reply 135, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 23022 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 133):
LOT Said they're keeping their 787s on the ground until October anyway

If the 787 is ready in May, I really don't see LOT keeping their planes parked for five months generating no revenue while they make payments and pay fees.


User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1834 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 22948 times:

It would be absurd not to take them if possible, training can be done etc if they have some spare time on the ground.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 137, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 22954 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 135):
If the 787 is ready in May, I really don't see LOT keeping their planes parked for five months generating no revenue while they make payments and pay fees.

LRA en LRB should resume flight but there is no room for LRC, LRD and LRE unless they park the 767 (which will also cost money) or open some new routes.



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User currently onlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 138, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 22971 times:

SP-LRC is defacto ready. Its had 5 flights post-battery fix.
As soon as the FAA lifts the grounding, Boeing will be calling Warsaw asking them to send pilots for the C1.

i assume that Boeing may be more amenable to paying some form of compensation to LOT for the grounding rather than keep those 3 ready frames in Everett until October. Its got enough problems with storage space at Everett as is plus the fact that the 5 chinese frames are probably not going anywhere for a while.

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 139, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 22903 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 138):
SP-LRC is defacto ready. Its had 5 flights post-battery fix.
As soon as the FAA lifts the grounding, Boeing will be calling Warsaw asking them to send pilots for the C1.

It think you are a bit too optimistic.

Other customers have said to start compensation talks once the battery fix has been approved. I expect LOT to do the same. Many customers won't take delivery of their plane until things are settled. And I'm wondering if Boeing is going to pay 6 months of lease rates for the LOT 767 fleet. That's a lot of money. So unless LOT opens some new routes I expect them to fly the 767 until October. Therefore they don't need the 3 frames currently parked at PAE yet.



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User currently onlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 140, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 22537 times:

Rather than keep arguing in the forum, we'll let time tell us who's right.
There's just absolutely no scenario under which those 3 frames will be stored in Everett until Oct.
That is unless airworthiness is not granted  
Cheers
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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 141, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 22401 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 140):
There's just absolutely no scenario under which those 3 frames will be stored in Everett until Oct.

I just cannot see a customer taking any new frames if they cannot use them and I doubt they will store them in Warsaw instead.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 8045 posts, RR: 18
Reply 142, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 22279 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 141):
I just cannot see a customer taking any new frames if they cannot use them and I doubt they will store them in Warsaw instead.

I think theyre gonna be sent to MZJ for a while.



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User currently onlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 143, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 21772 times:

A bit of movement at Everett on Monday...

- JA-821A out of paint shop in full livery at the fuel dock
- VT-ANG finished re-incorporation and moved to the flightline
- G-ZBJA into the paint shop
- LN 117 moved into Position 1 of the surge line

two more to go on the surge line before the first 789!

Cheers
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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 144, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 21719 times:

See also reply #120 for more info on VT-ANG.


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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1861 posts, RR: 16
Reply 145, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 20954 times:

Something's happening:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE380 (GUN LN 34 B-1)

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE512 (ANA LN 83 I'm guessing a C-1 based on the profile)


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 4029 posts, RR: 29
Reply 146, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 20931 times:
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Matt noted that GUN was to be a B1, and ANA is an engineering check..

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 147, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 20909 times:

General Electric’s second package of upgrades for the GEnx-1B (PIP II) engine on the Boeing 787 has been certificated by the FAA. More info here.


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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2819 posts, RR: 2
Reply 148, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 20728 times:

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

DELIVERED TO DATE: 50 Aircraft to 8 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO 2013
NH-17; JL-7; UA–6; AI-5; QR-5; ET-4; LA-3; LO-2

2013 DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ – 3/28/2013 - AI #6

NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Tentative - Subject to Change
L/N 83 - JA818A - x/xx/2013 - NH #18
L/N 72 - VT-ANM – x/xx/2013 - AI #7
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – x/xx/2013 – LO #3
L/N 87 - SP-LRD – x/xx/2013 – LO #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 88 - SP-LRE – x/xx/2013 – LO #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 89 – JA830J – x/xx/2013 – JL #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 90 - VT-ANN – x/xx/2013 - AI #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 92 - G-TUIA – x/xx/2013 – BY #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 94 - G-TUIB – x/xx/2013 – BY #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 96 - G-TUIC – x/xx/2013 – BY #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 39 - ET-AOO – xx/xx/2013 - ET #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 97 - JA819A - x/xx/2013 - NH #19 Awaiting first flight
L/N 98 – JA831J – x/xx/2013 - JL #9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 99 - A7-BCD – x/xx/2013 - QR #6 Awaiting first flight
L/N 91 - VT-ANO – x/xx/2013 - AI #9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 101 - JA820A - x/xx/2013 - NH #20 Awaiting first flight
L/N 102 – LN-BKA - x/xx/2013 - DY #1 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 95 - B-2734 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 103 - A7-BCE – x/xx/2013 - QR #7 Awaiting first flight
L/N 105 – JA832J – x/xx/2013 - JL #10 Awaiting first flight
L/N 32 - VT-ANG – x/xx/2013 - AI #10 Awaiting first flight
L/N 106 - G-TUID – x/xx/2013 – BY #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 107 - JA821A - x/xx/2013 - NH #21 Awaiting first flight
L/N 108 – G-ZBJA - x/xx/2013 - BA #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 110 - JA822A - x/xx/2013 - NH #22 Awaiting first flight

L/N 43 - B-2727 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #1
L/N 73 - B-2728 – x/xx/2013 - HU #1
L/N 34 – B-2725 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 79 - B-2730 – x/xx/2013 - HU #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 76 - B-2729 – x/xx/2013 - HU #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 81 - B-2731 – x/xx/2013 - HU #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 93 - B-2733 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 85 - B–2732 - x/xx/2013 - HU #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 100 - B-2735 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #5 Awaiting first flight


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 149, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 20531 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 146):
and ANA is an engineering check..

According to Matt, the ANA bird has the new battery onboard.

[Edited 2013-04-18 12:23:54]


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5810 posts, RR: 46
Reply 150, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 20280 times:

Boeing has confirmed to me that they re resuming standard Boeing test flights with no restrictions. The FAA has okayed these flights and all 787s flown will be equipped with the new batteries and containment system.


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User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 480 posts, RR: 1
Reply 151, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 20230 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 150):

Awesome, one step closer back towards to airline ops


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5810 posts, RR: 46
Reply 152, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 20122 times:

Ok the one more step has been taken and Boeing is now cleared to resume deliveries. I expect deliveries to resume around end of April to very early May (about 2 weeks from now at the latest).


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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1834 posts, RR: 0
Reply 153, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 19770 times:

That is a huge backlog of semi-deliverable planes. With the new delivery center in operation, I expect the pace will be frantic the coming months. Airlines want their planes for the busy summer season and B desperately need its space.

User currently offlinemorrisond From Canada, joined Jan 2010, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 154, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 19534 times:

I'm flying YYZ to LHR on BA 92 (767) August 9 which apparently is one of BA's first 4-787 Destinations, returning on the 19th on a 767 as well.

Reading other threads apparently BA is expecting 4 787's this year.

One is in Pre-Flight (LN108),2 are in Final Assembly (LN111, LN114) and one is 'Parts Arriving' (LN121), according to all things 787.

Based on how things stand right now - How soon do you think BA gets all 4 Birds?

What LN will incorporate the new Battery design and roll off the Line ready to Fly?

What was the time between Roll-off assembly line and Delivery before the suspension of Deliveries?

What are the odds I'll be on a 787 this Summer?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 155, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 19516 times:

Quoting morrisond (Reply 154):
Based on how things stand right now - How soon do you think BA gets all 4 Birds?

Impossible to say at this point in time.

Quoting morrisond (Reply 154):
What was the time between Roll-off assembly line and Delivery before the suspension of Deliveries?

BA would originally take its first 787 in May, that's a month between FAL roll out and delivery.

Quoting morrisond (Reply 154):
What are the odds I'll be on a 787 this Summer?

I think there is a good chance that BA will take delivery of at least 1 787 before August. The question however is how long will it take BA to put the 787 into revenue service? I assume they will do crew test flights first and I have no idea how long that will take.



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User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4095 posts, RR: 33
Reply 156, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 19439 times:

Quoting morrisond (Reply 154):
What are the odds I'll be on a 787 this Summer?

Practically nil.
BA hopes to receive two B787 before July, but they have a big program of crew training and then European flying before longhaul service entry. But there will be some longhaul substitutions, and you are in with a chance.
The European flying will be as a shorthaul substitution for around 4 weeks. No decision yet but could be any shorthaul B767 destination.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 157, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 19139 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 146):
Matt noted that GUN was to be a B1, and ANA is an engineering check..

LN 83 is scheduled for another check flight on Saturday.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 8045 posts, RR: 18
Reply 158, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 18826 times:

Contact at NH Wings told me that expect 787 deliveries very soon. He used the words "Sugu tochaku," which means coming almost immediately. Japanese is difficult for me to translate into english but it means they're gonna pretty much arrive as soon as things get kicked into full swing.

He wasn't at liberty to explain any further.



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User currently onlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 159, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 18764 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 158):

JA-818A is as ready as they get for delivery having had 9 flights tests (more than usual due to testing of other mods - software/electrical) including 1 post battery fix. Its one C-1 away from being delivered.

JA-819A and JA-820A aren't too far behind it. both on the flightline with daily activity (presume battery switch) ahead of first flight.

JA-821A (stored) and JA-822A (just out of assembly, not painted) may take a while further.

JAL should also see two-to-three of the early deliveries as a few frames are seeing activity on the flightline.

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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 8045 posts, RR: 18
Reply 160, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 18571 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 159):

Thanks for this. HND is within easy access from my school (about 30 minutes) so if there's a delivery there please let me know. I'll stop by for the delivery flight  



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User currently onlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 161, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 17842 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 141):
I just cannot see a customer taking any new frames if they cannot use them and I doubt they will store them in Warsaw instead.

According to a bloomberg article (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-21/ana-jal-said-to-plan-to-start-787-repairs-after-fixes-approved.html) today:

"LOT Polish Airlines SA, Europe’s first operator of the jet, said Boeing engineers will implement the battery fix for its two 787s next month. The carrier, which has demanded compensation from Boeing, expects to receive a third 787 next month with plans to resume service in the summer, it said in an e-mailed statement."

Also in the same article:

"Boeing engineers will arrive in India on April 24, after the work in Japan, to apply the fix for Air India Ltd., which expects to resume 787 services by May 15 at the latest, Rohit Nandan, the company’s chairman, said today in New Delhi."

Cheers
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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5810 posts, RR: 46
Reply 162, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 17713 times:

FYI, Boeing is building the 787 at 7/month now. Everett is at 5/month (loading a new aircraft every 6 days) and Charleston is at 2/month.

The first 787-9 will load in late May by my estimates (see my tables on my blog).



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5810 posts, RR: 46
Reply 163, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 17729 times:

ZA431 is scheduled for a B-1 flight out of CHS this morning. The fist 787 to fly from CHS since the grounding.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE431

[Edited 2013-04-22 06:57:00]


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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7038 posts, RR: 63
Reply 164, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 17637 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 162):
FYI, Boeing is building the 787 at 7/month now. Everett is at 5/month (loading a new aircraft every 6 days) and Charleston is at 2/month.

Not according to the BBC!  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22251756

"Mr Loftis said he did not expect the issue to have any lasting negative impact on the popularity of the Dreamliner among either airlines or passengers.

He said that Boeing had continued to make five 787s per week, and that the company was about to increase that to seven, raising output to 10 per week by the end of this year."


User currently onlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 165, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 17595 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 162):
Quoting PM (Reply 164):

Its neither here or there. They'll be pushing 7 frames in May but back down to 5 during the next few months as the 789 test aircrafts clog up the Surge Line. So both are technically correct but i guess Boeing is waiting for the "permanent" switch to 7/month before announcing it officially.

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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5810 posts, RR: 46
Reply 166, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 17461 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 164):
Not according to the BBC!

In Everett they're loading one aircraft every 6 days. Assuming a 30 day work week that's 5 aircraft per month in Everett. The manager at CHS already stated that they're going to 2/month a few weeks ago.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 165):
Its neither here or there. They'll be pushing 7 frames in May but back down to 5 during the next few months as the 789 test aircrafts clog up the Surge Line. So both are technically correct but i guess Boeing is waiting for the "permanent" switch to 7/month before announcing it officially.

I believe that CHS will take up the slack as the 787-9 goes through the surge line.



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User currently offlineual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 596 posts, RR: 0
Reply 167, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 17378 times:

I think it can also be noted that the frequency of Dreamlifter flights to Japan has been increasing lately to reflect the higher production rate.

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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 4029 posts, RR: 29
Reply 168, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 17296 times:
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Quoting NYC777 (Reply 166):
Assuming a 30 day work week that's 5 aircraft per month in Everett.

Gads.. that's worse than my error the other day of a 20 day work week..

The question is whether or not they are working a 20 day month or a 30 day month (lots of overtime) or have gone to staggered days off.


User currently offlinemilestones787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 169, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 16889 times:

Forgive me if this has already been discussed, but what is the status of the Hainan and China Southern 787s? Has there been any progress with the government of China in terms of them giving the go-ahead for delivery? I see that LN 34 destined for China Southern is up and flying, so I assume it has been given the battery fix and is ready for delivery.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 170, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 16427 times:

Say hi to the CHS flightline:

http://oi33.tinypic.com/afivy1.jpg
(picture: Arisara Petersen)

[Edited 2013-04-23 12:59:08]


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31681 posts, RR: 85
Reply 171, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 16387 times:
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Quoting milestones787 (Reply 169):
Has there been any progress with the government of China in terms of them giving the go-ahead for delivery?

The last reports were from early January noting the CAAC was refusing certification because of safety concerns and delivery delays.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13776 posts, RR: 36
Reply 172, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16319 times:

Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 167):
I think it can also be noted that the frequency of Dreamlifter flights to Japan has been increasing lately to reflect the higher production rate.

I also heard about the increasing Dreamlifter operations.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 166):
In Everett they're loading one aircraft every 6 days. Assuming a 30 day work week that's 5 aircraft per month in Everett. The manager at CHS already stated that they're going to 2/month a few weeks ago.

NYC777, I have a question about your production list. First, this is the list with CHS built frames:

1. LN46 (Air India)
2. LN54 (Air India)
3. LN60 (Air India)
4. LN65 (Air India)
5. LN72 (Air India)
6. LN76 (Hainan)
7. LN81 (Hainan)
8. LN85 (Hainan)
9. LN91 (Air India)
10. LN95 (China Southern)
11. LN100 (China Southern)

Now Brendan Kearney tweeted these flightline pictures:
1) 4 tails on February 10: http://twitter.com/Kearney_Brendan/status/300417731990278144
1) 5 tails on March 23: http://twitter.com/Kearney_Brendan/status/315490095727771648
2) 6 tails on April 18: http://twitter.com/Kearney_Brendan/status/324862193973723137

I think LN95 should be the last one rolled out at CHS instead of LN100? Or am I missing something?

[Edited 2013-04-23 14:20:24]


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User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 797 posts, RR: 6
Reply 173, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 16145 times:

Looks like the BA 787 has blue engines now...
http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/326818480194220033/photo/1

Picture found via Twitter

[Edited 2013-04-23 15:09:51]