rcair1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 920 posts, RR: 25 Reply 6, posted (4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 18224 times:
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Quoting hotplane (Thread starter): A7-BCK is currently sat on a remote T4 stand following the cancellation of the outbound QR076. Presumably this is to do with the ANA and JAL problems.
Or an engine failed, or it need a tire, or anything that exceeds the MEL failed.
Let's wait for some information please before we "presume" things.
If QR says "we are grounding our fleet because of JAL/ANA" then we can say that.
Have they?
seahawks7757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 145 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (4 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 15626 times:
Quoting rcair1 (Reply 6): Or an engine failed, or it need a tire, or anything that exceeds the MEL failed.
Let's wait for some information please before we "presume" things.
If QR says "we are grounding our fleet because of JAL/ANA" then we can say that.
Have they?
blueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3124 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (4 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14830 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 2): Has QR cancelled all of their 787 flights?
No. As I wrote in another thread, Qatar had scheduled passenger flights today for three of the five 787s in the fleet. One is evidently grounded in LHR, but the other two aircraft completed their mission.
The two aircraft that were not scheduled for passenger flights remained at base. One was just delivered and isn't ready to enter service yet.
seahawks7757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 145 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11681 times:
Quoting idlewildchild (Reply 15): AA JUST announced all 787s are to be grounded until they sort out fire risk from wiring. Oy vey, not good for Boeing at all.
The FAA only has jurisdiction on US carriers, so technically only the UA 787's are forced grounded.
22886 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 390 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11282 times:
The Qatar 787 at LHR is AOG for reasons unrelated to the grounding of the JAL and ANA fleet. Its got a problem with its hydraulic system and is overnighting at LHR. Its parked on stand 451.
HBGDS From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 202 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11176 times:
Quoting seahawks7757 (Reply 16): The FAA only has jurisdiction on US carriers, so technically only the UA 787's are forced grounded.
Are you certain of that? How then did the FAA ground the entire DC-10 fleet in 1979? It's all about airworthiness certificates. If FAA orders the entire fleet grounded by temporarily suspending the airworthiness certificate, then LOT and Qatar must ground, too...
(When the French DGAC cancelled Concorde's certificate in AUgust 2000 BA was hit)
sankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1298 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10920 times:
Quoting HBGDS (Reply 18): Are you certain of that? How then did the FAA ground the entire DC-10 fleet in 1979? It's all about airworthiness certificates. If FAA orders the entire fleet grounded by temporarily suspending the airworthiness certificate, then LOT and Qatar must ground, too...
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26713 posts, RR: 83 Reply 20, posted (4 months 6 days ago) and read 10431 times:
Quoting HBGDS (Reply 18): How then did the FAA ground the entire DC-10 fleet in 1979?
The FAA only grounded the DC-10s of US-flag carriers. They might also have denied entry into the US of foreign-flagged DC-10s, but they had no authority to deny foreign operators from flying DC-10s outside the US. Foreign civil aviation authorities made their own decision as to whether or not to ground the DC-10.
Quoting HBGDS (Reply 18): If FAA orders the entire fleet grounded by temporarily suspending the airworthiness certificate, then LOT and Qatar must ground, too...
I would expect LOT is operating under the EASA Type Certificate, which has not (as yet) been pulled. I would also expect the Civil Aviation Authority of Qatar holds QR's Operating Certificate for the 787. They may, however, have adopted the FAA TCDS for certification basis, which I would expect means the FAA grounding would be in force with QR on that basis.
Quoting HBGDS (Reply 18): (When the French DGAC cancelled Concorde's certificate in AUgust 2000 BA was hit)
As I recall, Concorde required both the British and French Civil Aviation Authorities permission to operate. When one of them - in this case, France - revoked that authority, Britain was required to comply.
sankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1298 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (4 months 6 days ago) and read 9983 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 20): I would expect LOT is operating under the EASA Type Certificate, which has not (as yet) been pulled. I would also expect the Civil Aviation Authority of Qatar holds QR's Operating Certificate for the 787.
I think you missed the part where the FAA has specifically recommended (as they cannot mandate) that other countries follow suit vis-a-viz the 787 grounding order.
seahawks7757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 145 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (4 months 6 days ago) and read 9705 times:
Quoting sankaps (Reply 21): I think you missed the part where the FAA has specifically recommended (as they cannot mandate) that other countries follow suit vis-a-viz the 787 grounding order.
Still doesn't mean that they have to follow the FAA. It is similar to the USA saying no one can have nukes, yet countries still do.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26713 posts, RR: 83 Reply 24, posted (4 months 6 days ago) and read 9651 times:
Quoting sankaps (Reply 21): I think you missed the part where the FAA has specifically recommended (as they cannot mandate) that other countries follow suit vis-a-viz the 787 grounding order.
The statement made was that the FAA pulling the TCDS would mean every other civil aviation would be required to do so. This is not true.
Indeed, most CAAs will follow the FAA's lead, but that is their decision.
[Edited 2013-01-16 17:43:21]
25 peterinlisbon: In any case it would be pretty wreckless for an airline to continue flying them if the aviation authority of the country that made them considers them
26 sankaps: With respect, the above is not a good analogy... foreign countries (other than rougue states, none of which fly the 787) WILL follow safety recommend
27 aeroblogger: Well, this overnight might stretch out a bit longer than expected... By morning, the 787 will likely be grounded in Europe as well.
28 Wisdom: Any details on this hydraulic problem? Pump, piping, accumulators, sensors?
29 22886: No idea on what the exact problem is, was just told briefly it was hydraulic. The photo below shows a panel open on the bottom of the wing-fuselage f
30 Wilco737: Please continue all the discussions about 787 grounding in the FAA grounds 787 thread: FAA Grounds 787 (by brons2 Jan 16 2013 in Civil Aviation) So we
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