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User currently offlinehotplane From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 21925 times:

A7-BCK is currently sat on a remote T4 stand following the cancellation of the outbound QR076. Presumably this is to do with the ANA and JAL problems.

www.heathrowairport.com/flight-infor...c6f2ffdae311a631ca_flightTerminal=

[Edited 2013-01-16 07:35:44]

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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 8308 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 21455 times:

No word thus far if QR grounded their fleet buuuuuuut I'm not a Middle East expert.


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 32714 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 21235 times:
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Quoting hotplane (Thread starter):
Presumably this is to do with the ANA and JAL problems.

Has QR cancelled all of their 787 flights? No reports of such in the news.


User currently offlineswallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 558 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 21118 times:

We will know soon enough, why she is grounded, after a volcanic eruption from AAB

Sadly for the 787, it dosen't rain, it pours  



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User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2181 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 20807 times:

Looks like BCA is still functioning Doha to DXB, so BCK may be another issue?

User currently offlinebaldwin471 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2012, 354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 20568 times:

Hmm. Supposed to be flying on QR's 788 next week. Hopefully they are in service again then, or my 7 hour stopover on the way to CNX will be pointless.

User currently offlinercair1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1424 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 20487 times:
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Quoting hotplane (Thread starter):
A7-BCK is currently sat on a remote T4 stand following the cancellation of the outbound QR076. Presumably this is to do with the ANA and JAL problems.

Or an engine failed, or it need a tire, or anything that exceeds the MEL failed.
Let's wait for some information please before we "presume" things.
If QR says "we are grounding our fleet because of JAL/ANA" then we can say that.
Have they?



rcair1
User currently offlinea380heavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 20360 times:

Perhaps it's grounded due to a worldwide shortage of li-ion batteries!    Sorry, couldn't resist that one.


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User currently offlineseahawks7757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17889 times:

Quoting rcair1 (Reply 6):
Or an engine failed, or it need a tire, or anything that exceeds the MEL failed.
Let's wait for some information please before we "presume" things.
If QR says "we are grounding our fleet because of JAL/ANA" then we can say that.
Have they?



I have reached out to Qatar who commented with "No Comment." Read about it along with UA and LAN's responses to yesterdays events here-
http://www.airlinereporter.com/2013/...ner-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/


User currently offlinekamilinlondon From UK - England, joined Feb 2011, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17794 times:

On the positive note LO completed uneventful WAW-ORD today  


Kamilinlondon
User currently offlineblueflyer From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Jan 2006, 4553 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17093 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
Has QR cancelled all of their 787 flights?

No. As I wrote in another thread, Qatar had scheduled passenger flights today for three of the five 787s in the fleet. One is evidently grounded in LHR, but the other two aircraft completed their mission.

The two aircraft that were not scheduled for passenger flights remained at base. One was just delivered and isn't ready to enter service yet.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8991 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 16823 times:

Quoting seahawks7757 (Reply 8):
Read about it along with UA and LAN's responses to yesterdays events here-

Indeed, LAN reaffirmed today that the airline continues normal operations of its fleet of 787s:
Lan aclara que mantiene operativos sus tres aviones Boeing 787



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User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 1464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 16819 times:

Quoting kamilinlondon (Reply 9):
Quoting kamilinlondon (Reply 9):
On the positive note LO completed uneventful WAW-ORD today

Maybe so, but it hasn't flown the service back yet  


User currently offlineordwaw From United States of America, joined May 2006, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 15385 times:

Quoting TC957 (Reply 12):
Quoting kamilinlondon (Reply 9):
On the positive note LO completed uneventful WAW-ORD today

Maybe so, but it hasn't flown the service back yet  

Actually, LO 3 is still in the air on its WAW-ORD leg, currently over NorthWest Quebec, a little over 2 hours away from ORD ...  

[Edited 2013-01-16 15:15:55]

[Edited 2013-01-16 15:16:29]

User currently offlinekamilinlondon From UK - England, joined Feb 2011, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 14785 times:

Quoting TC957 (Reply 12):

Well said. I think personally that it might get stopped for some extra checks while in States.



Kamilinlondon
User currently offlineidlewildchild From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 14240 times:
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FAA JUST announced all 787s are to be grounded until they sort out fire risk from wiring. Oy vey, not good for Boeing at all.

User currently offlineseahawks7757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13944 times:

Quoting idlewildchild (Reply 15):
AA JUST announced all 787s are to be grounded until they sort out fire risk from wiring. Oy vey, not good for Boeing at all.

The FAA only has jurisdiction on US carriers, so technically only the UA 787's are forced grounded.


User currently offline22886 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13545 times:

The Qatar 787 at LHR is AOG for reasons unrelated to the grounding of the JAL and ANA fleet. Its got a problem with its hydraulic system and is overnighting at LHR. Its parked on stand 451.

http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/908_899441572468_1793997367_n.jpg
http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/317914_899441806998_179269712_n.jpg

[Edited 2013-01-16 16:44:01]

User currently offlineHBGDS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13439 times:

Quoting seahawks7757 (Reply 16):
The FAA only has jurisdiction on US carriers, so technically only the UA 787's are forced grounded.

Are you certain of that? How then did the FAA ground the entire DC-10 fleet in 1979? It's all about airworthiness certificates. If FAA orders the entire fleet grounded by temporarily suspending the airworthiness certificate, then LOT and Qatar must ground, too...
(When the French DGAC cancelled Concorde's certificate in AUgust 2000 BA was hit)


User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13183 times:

Quoting HBGDS (Reply 18):
Are you certain of that? How then did the FAA ground the entire DC-10 fleet in 1979? It's all about airworthiness certificates. If FAA orders the entire fleet grounded by temporarily suspending the airworthiness certificate, then LOT and Qatar must ground, too...

See http://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/16/tr...reamliner-faa/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 . The FAA has recommended other countries follow suit.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 32714 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 12694 times:
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Quoting HBGDS (Reply 18):
How then did the FAA ground the entire DC-10 fleet in 1979?

The FAA only grounded the DC-10s of US-flag carriers. They might also have denied entry into the US of foreign-flagged DC-10s, but they had no authority to deny foreign operators from flying DC-10s outside the US. Foreign civil aviation authorities made their own decision as to whether or not to ground the DC-10.



Quoting HBGDS (Reply 18):
If FAA orders the entire fleet grounded by temporarily suspending the airworthiness certificate, then LOT and Qatar must ground, too...

I would expect LOT is operating under the EASA Type Certificate, which has not (as yet) been pulled. I would also expect the Civil Aviation Authority of Qatar holds QR's Operating Certificate for the 787. They may, however, have adopted the FAA TCDS for certification basis, which I would expect means the FAA grounding would be in force with QR on that basis.



Quoting HBGDS (Reply 18):
(When the French DGAC cancelled Concorde's certificate in AUgust 2000 BA was hit)

As I recall, Concorde required both the British and French Civil Aviation Authorities permission to operate. When one of them - in this case, France - revoked that authority, Britain was required to comply.

[Edited 2013-01-16 17:36:21]

User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 12246 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 20):
I would expect LOT is operating under the EASA Type Certificate, which has not (as yet) been pulled. I would also expect the Civil Aviation Authority of Qatar holds QR's Operating Certificate for the 787.

I think you missed the part where the FAA has specifically recommended (as they cannot mandate) that other countries follow suit vis-a-viz the 787 grounding order.


User currently offlinekamilinlondon From UK - England, joined Feb 2011, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 12015 times:

Quoting kamilinlondon (Reply 9):



I Jinxed it!!
 



Kamilinlondon
User currently offlineseahawks7757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11968 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 21):
I think you missed the part where the FAA has specifically recommended (as they cannot mandate) that other countries follow suit vis-a-viz the 787 grounding order.

Still doesn't mean that they have to follow the FAA. It is similar to the USA saying no one can have nukes, yet countries still do.

[Edited 2013-01-16 17:38:01]

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 32714 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11914 times:
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Quoting sankaps (Reply 21):
I think you missed the part where the FAA has specifically recommended (as they cannot mandate) that other countries follow suit vis-a-viz the 787 grounding order.

The statement made was that the FAA pulling the TCDS would mean every other civil aviation would be required to do so. This is not true.

Indeed, most CAAs will follow the FAA's lead, but that is their decision.

[Edited 2013-01-16 17:43:21]

25 peterinlisbon : In any case it would be pretty wreckless for an airline to continue flying them if the aviation authority of the country that made them considers them
26 sankaps : With respect, the above is not a good analogy... foreign countries (other than rougue states, none of which fly the 787) WILL follow safety recommend
27 aeroblogger : Well, this overnight might stretch out a bit longer than expected... By morning, the 787 will likely be grounded in Europe as well.
28 Wisdom : Any details on this hydraulic problem? Pump, piping, accumulators, sensors?
29 Post contains images 22886 : No idea on what the exact problem is, was just told briefly it was hydraulic. The photo below shows a panel open on the bottom of the wing-fuselage f
30 Post contains links and images Wilco737 : Please continue all the discussions about 787 grounding in the FAA grounds 787 thread: FAA Grounds 787 (by brons2 Jan 16 2013 in Civil Aviation) So we
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