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Qatar 787 Grounded At LHR  
User currently offlinehotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1064 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 21186 times:
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A7-BCK is currently sat on a remote T4 stand following the cancellation of the outbound QR076. Presumably this is to do with the ANA and JAL problems.

www.heathrowairport.com/flight-infor...c6f2ffdae311a631ca_flightTerminal=

[Edited 2013-01-16 07:35:44]


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7595 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 20716 times:

No word thus far if QR grounded their fleet buuuuuuut I'm not a Middle East expert.


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31012 posts, RR: 86
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 20496 times:
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Quoting hotplane (Thread starter):
Presumably this is to do with the ANA and JAL problems.

Has QR cancelled all of their 787 flights? No reports of such in the news.


User currently offlineswallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 20379 times:

We will know soon enough, why she is grounded, after a volcanic eruption from AAB

Sadly for the 787, it dosen't rain, it pours  



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User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2116 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 20068 times:

Looks like BCA is still functioning Doha to DXB, so BCK may be another issue?

User currently offlinebaldwin471 From UK - England, joined Mar 2012, 296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 19829 times:

Hmm. Supposed to be flying on QR's 788 next week. Hopefully they are in service again then, or my 7 hour stopover on the way to CNX will be pointless.

User currently offlinercair1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1323 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 19748 times:
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Quoting hotplane (Thread starter):
A7-BCK is currently sat on a remote T4 stand following the cancellation of the outbound QR076. Presumably this is to do with the ANA and JAL problems.

Or an engine failed, or it need a tire, or anything that exceeds the MEL failed.
Let's wait for some information please before we "presume" things.
If QR says "we are grounding our fleet because of JAL/ANA" then we can say that.
Have they?



rcair1
User currently offlinea380heavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 19621 times:

Perhaps it's grounded due to a worldwide shortage of li-ion batteries!    Sorry, couldn't resist that one.


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User currently offlineseahawks7757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 17150 times:

Quoting rcair1 (Reply 6):
Or an engine failed, or it need a tire, or anything that exceeds the MEL failed.
Let's wait for some information please before we "presume" things.
If QR says "we are grounding our fleet because of JAL/ANA" then we can say that.
Have they?



I have reached out to Qatar who commented with "No Comment." Read about it along with UA and LAN's responses to yesterdays events here-
http://www.airlinereporter.com/2013/...ner-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/


User currently offlinekamilinlondon From UK - England, joined Feb 2011, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 17055 times:

On the positive note LO completed uneventful WAW-ORD today  


Kamilinlondon
User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4007 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 16354 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
Has QR cancelled all of their 787 flights?

No. As I wrote in another thread, Qatar had scheduled passenger flights today for three of the five 787s in the fleet. One is evidently grounded in LHR, but the other two aircraft completed their mission.

The two aircraft that were not scheduled for passenger flights remained at base. One was just delivered and isn't ready to enter service yet.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8822 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 16084 times:
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Quoting seahawks7757 (Reply 8):
Read about it along with UA and LAN's responses to yesterdays events here-

Indeed, LAN reaffirmed today that the airline continues normal operations of its fleet of 787s:
Lan aclara que mantiene operativos sus tres aviones Boeing 787


User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 877 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 16080 times:

Quoting kamilinlondon (Reply 9):
Quoting kamilinlondon (Reply 9):
On the positive note LO completed uneventful WAW-ORD today

Maybe so, but it hasn't flown the service back yet  


User currently offlineordwaw From United States of America, joined May 2006, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 14646 times:

Quoting TC957 (Reply 12):
Quoting kamilinlondon (Reply 9):
On the positive note LO completed uneventful WAW-ORD today

Maybe so, but it hasn't flown the service back yet  

Actually, LO 3 is still in the air on its WAW-ORD leg, currently over NorthWest Quebec, a little over 2 hours away from ORD ...  

[Edited 2013-01-16 15:15:55]

[Edited 2013-01-16 15:16:29]

User currently offlinekamilinlondon From UK - England, joined Feb 2011, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 14046 times:

Quoting TC957 (Reply 12):

Well said. I think personally that it might get stopped for some extra checks while in States.



Kamilinlondon
User currently offlineidlewildchild From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13501 times:

FAA JUST announced all 787s are to be grounded until they sort out fire risk from wiring. Oy vey, not good for Boeing at all.

User currently offlineseahawks7757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13205 times:

Quoting idlewildchild (Reply 15):
AA JUST announced all 787s are to be grounded until they sort out fire risk from wiring. Oy vey, not good for Boeing at all.

The FAA only has jurisdiction on US carriers, so technically only the UA 787's are forced grounded.


User currently offline22886 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 12806 times:

The Qatar 787 at LHR is AOG for reasons unrelated to the grounding of the JAL and ANA fleet. Its got a problem with its hydraulic system and is overnighting at LHR. Its parked on stand 451.

http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/908_899441572468_1793997367_n.jpg
http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/317914_899441806998_179269712_n.jpg

[Edited 2013-01-16 16:44:01]

User currently offlineHBGDS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 12700 times:

Quoting seahawks7757 (Reply 16):
The FAA only has jurisdiction on US carriers, so technically only the UA 787's are forced grounded.

Are you certain of that? How then did the FAA ground the entire DC-10 fleet in 1979? It's all about airworthiness certificates. If FAA orders the entire fleet grounded by temporarily suspending the airworthiness certificate, then LOT and Qatar must ground, too...
(When the French DGAC cancelled Concorde's certificate in AUgust 2000 BA was hit)


User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 12444 times:

Quoting HBGDS (Reply 18):
Are you certain of that? How then did the FAA ground the entire DC-10 fleet in 1979? It's all about airworthiness certificates. If FAA orders the entire fleet grounded by temporarily suspending the airworthiness certificate, then LOT and Qatar must ground, too...

See http://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/16/tr...reamliner-faa/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 . The FAA has recommended other countries follow suit.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31012 posts, RR: 86
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11955 times:
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Quoting HBGDS (Reply 18):
How then did the FAA ground the entire DC-10 fleet in 1979?

The FAA only grounded the DC-10s of US-flag carriers. They might also have denied entry into the US of foreign-flagged DC-10s, but they had no authority to deny foreign operators from flying DC-10s outside the US. Foreign civil aviation authorities made their own decision as to whether or not to ground the DC-10.



Quoting HBGDS (Reply 18):
If FAA orders the entire fleet grounded by temporarily suspending the airworthiness certificate, then LOT and Qatar must ground, too...

I would expect LOT is operating under the EASA Type Certificate, which has not (as yet) been pulled. I would also expect the Civil Aviation Authority of Qatar holds QR's Operating Certificate for the 787. They may, however, have adopted the FAA TCDS for certification basis, which I would expect means the FAA grounding would be in force with QR on that basis.



Quoting HBGDS (Reply 18):
(When the French DGAC cancelled Concorde's certificate in AUgust 2000 BA was hit)

As I recall, Concorde required both the British and French Civil Aviation Authorities permission to operate. When one of them - in this case, France - revoked that authority, Britain was required to comply.

[Edited 2013-01-16 17:36:21]

User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11507 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 20):
I would expect LOT is operating under the EASA Type Certificate, which has not (as yet) been pulled. I would also expect the Civil Aviation Authority of Qatar holds QR's Operating Certificate for the 787.

I think you missed the part where the FAA has specifically recommended (as they cannot mandate) that other countries follow suit vis-a-viz the 787 grounding order.


User currently offlinekamilinlondon From UK - England, joined Feb 2011, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11276 times:

Quoting kamilinlondon (Reply 9):



I Jinxed it!!
 



Kamilinlondon
User currently offlineseahawks7757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11229 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 21):
I think you missed the part where the FAA has specifically recommended (as they cannot mandate) that other countries follow suit vis-a-viz the 787 grounding order.

Still doesn't mean that they have to follow the FAA. It is similar to the USA saying no one can have nukes, yet countries still do.

[Edited 2013-01-16 17:38:01]

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31012 posts, RR: 86
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11175 times:
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Quoting sankaps (Reply 21):
I think you missed the part where the FAA has specifically recommended (as they cannot mandate) that other countries follow suit vis-a-viz the 787 grounding order.

The statement made was that the FAA pulling the TCDS would mean every other civil aviation would be required to do so. This is not true.

Indeed, most CAAs will follow the FAA's lead, but that is their decision.

[Edited 2013-01-16 17:43:21]

25 peterinlisbon : In any case it would be pretty wreckless for an airline to continue flying them if the aviation authority of the country that made them considers them
26 sankaps : With respect, the above is not a good analogy... foreign countries (other than rougue states, none of which fly the 787) WILL follow safety recommend
27 aeroblogger : Well, this overnight might stretch out a bit longer than expected... By morning, the 787 will likely be grounded in Europe as well.
28 Wisdom : Any details on this hydraulic problem? Pump, piping, accumulators, sensors?
29 Post contains images 22886 : No idea on what the exact problem is, was just told briefly it was hydraulic. The photo below shows a panel open on the bottom of the wing-fuselage f
30 Post contains links and images Wilco737 : Please continue all the discussions about 787 grounding in the FAA grounds 787 thread: FAA Grounds 787 (by brons2 Jan 16 2013 in Civil Aviation) So we
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