lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 15560 posts, RR: 100
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10800 times:
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Out of curiosity, how many other airlines are on this route? While I do believe this is a 'must have' route out of LAX, I do not think the margins will be good. A quick check on Orbitz for May fares has the lowest fare on Spirit ($88) with DL, UA, AA, and US (on UA?) with direct flights (plus WN, of course). It will be interesting to see how VX does with this route.
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slinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 948 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10620 times:
What is it with VX and their inability to schedule decent transfers for VS passengers? The two daily VS flights arrive at 3 pm or 7 pm, the first gives a long wait, the second means overnight if you want to use VX as many do. The same is true at SFO where even to VX destinations you end up flying with someone else due to poor timings [scratches head!].
usflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10559 times:
Quoting slinky09 (Reply 9): What is it with VX and their inability to schedule decent transfers for VS passengers? The two daily VS flights arrive at 3 pm or 7 pm, the first gives a long wait, the second means overnight if you want to use VX as many do.
Considering VS flies to LAS themselves, I highly doubt VS transfer pax are a big concern for VX...
srbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9955 times:
Quoting usflyguy (Reply 3): and 3 flights a day, all in the afternoon. Definitely won't be getting any of the daily commuters.
To me, the timings make sense, as the first flight gets you there early enough to be able to typically beat the lines to check-in at your hotel. The second flight gets you in late enough in the afternoon to be able to check-in and have a nice evening out and not have to rush. The last flight is clearly aimed towards those folks who are heading out there after work.
PIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9798 times:
This schedule looks like it can be done with a single aircraft rotation. Maybe they have some slack in their fleet to run this schedule. I sure hope the bean counters and the route planning guys are right in this move, to me it does not look like a money making route. As for them getting any connection traffic from VS and VA I'm sure DL would have something to say about that. They have a JV with VA and I'm sure by the end of the year the VS JV will be fully implemented. I'm sure VX is purely on this route for the local crowd and to serve their FF members in the LA area.
: I'm not joking about the demographic. VX has cultivated itself a quite unique passenger demographic unlike I have ever seen in the US market place. Th
: So what? Because/despite that demographic, close to $1B has flown out the door.
: Apparently their demographic is too small or not interested in paying extra for VX. Walmart sells more clothing than Nordstrom is akin to Spirit bein
: I was answering your response to my comment that the VX demographic might find the schedule just fine. Nothing about profits, or other business matte
: Definitely. It's a route that, while I understood why we never served it prior to now, needed to be added. LAS is already one of our stronger station
: Unless some of us West-Londoners would prefer to change planes at LAX instead of making the trip to LGW. I doubt that anyone's THAT crazy, and in any
: Definitely; this schedule is done with 1 a/c, leaving LAX at 11:30 in the morning and returning there at 10pm. So Virgin is committing 1 plane for al
: Yes, but that's probably for the 11:30 a.m. departure on a Tuesday morning. To fly to LAS for a weekend (departing Thursday night or Friday morning,
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: True. And they'll enjoy it for maybe 9 months, until WN gleefully stomps them into the ground on this route.
: They could easily add one additional r/t in the morning with an 8:00am departure from LAX... if the aircraft is available.
: I first heard about this on Facebook - clearly, many people are VERY happy about this! You can't appeal to Angelenos without serving LAS (no, connecti
: While that is true, there are a lot of VS passengers who fly through LAX or SFO because of plane configurations (more UC seats) or because they are o
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: What a stupid, stupid move. Is this really the best way that VX can think of to use their precious assets? Putting them in the overly saturated, lowes
: LA-LAS has higher yields then LA-Bay Area. Lets look at SWA that operates on both. City / Average one-way fare / Yield LAS - $124 - $0.52 SF - $126 -
: I don't know if this is wise or not and I don't really know their scheduling... but whenever I fly into SFO or LAX, I feel like I always see one or t
: But apparently, it is not that low yielding:
: WIth several thousands (my roundabout averages from FAA stats) of pax flying between the SoCal area and Denver (4500 pax daily on F9, UA, WN and AA),
: Wow. DL has really become quite a player in this market, and quite quickly. I think they only restarted this route after the merger, and then it was
: LAS is a huge get away for the Los Angeles area on weekends. Interstate 15 is bumper to bumper on Friday nights inbound and Sunday night outbound. Th
: I've got several friends that live in the LA area that go to Vegas on a regular basis and most of them opt to drive while only one of them tends to f
: Spending their "precious assets" opening a new station is smarter than spreading their current costs out over existing stations by connecting the dot
: A rather large presence. Before their first big schedule cut in early 2008, they were still running about 8 to 10 flights a day. When LAS was finally
: As an industry observer, it seems to me that every new route VX adds is ripe with competition (usually from more than one other airline) and has timet
: Bumper to bumper in segments. The rest of the trip is just "heavy" traffic. On Friday nights, the truck traffic in the right lane is a big impediment
: I'm quite aware of that fact. I just thought that US was still the dominant carrier on the route (even after the gutting of their LAS operations) and
: VX LAX-LAS was long overdue. This should be good market for VX It was also one of the most requested market from LA VX pax. The flight times for the H
: There isn't an interstate highway from Phoenix to Vegas. You can get to Kingman or Needles on I-17 I-40 but from there is is 100 miles or so. I have d
: It's probably only a small contribution to the overall pulldown in frequencies. In early 2007 WN and HP/US still had about 35 daily n/s flights, but
: This is best explanation I could come up with. There must be some of what is solid or at-least-what-they-think-is baked-in revenue to give them a hea
: Most certainly the same with PHX as well. I suspect both PHX and LAS would be handling much more connecting traffic if it wasn't for DEN. VX must thi
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: Yawn...another hypercompetitive route for VX to bleed money on....