More significantly, though, this shows yet another sign that JetBlue is shifting it's Florida focus back to growing at FLL, especially internationally, rather than its previous attempts with MCO, where I believe things have remained stagnant while JetBlue has entered the likes of FLLKIN, FLLBOG, FLLMDE and, now, FLLSJO.
With MDE and SJO, JetBlue will serve more destinations from FLL than MCO.
jonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 638 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3138 times:
Excellent.
JetBlue is very well received in Miami. They are seen as a better airline than Spirit and a lot of people are actually willing to pay extra for JetBlue. I'm glad to see them expand here. How many daily departures do they have now?
roswell41 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 576 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2793 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 2): Their terminal at FLL is terrible, long term if they have big plans for FLL they need to address the facilities.
Construction is beginning shortly. I believe you will see NK grow more in FLL once the facilities are renovated. Shortly, all the airlines in FLL will be having to lose gates periodically for construction.
mia From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 862 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (4 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2473 times:
I don't know what people are talking about. The Broward County commission has not approved construction of a new terminal. Although it appears they have money budgeted for this project in the capital improvement program, I haven't seen or heard of any plans, etc; unless of course these flew under the radar because of the runway controversy. I still think it would have been better to build the runway parallel to the north runway and relocated those tenants to the South...
Once they finish the monstrosity of the southern runway well know how bad it messes up the environment.
I wouldn't expand the international terminal at FLL especially since it's main tenant will refuse to pay higher fees required to undertake the construction and will deride the county if they go ahead and raise fees by calling it "the county's cut".
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SJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4082 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (4 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2423 times:
Spirit Airlines is steadily operating the SJO-FLL sector since 2007 and their frequencies are 11x weekly at this time. It's with no doubt its stellar Central American route.
B6 is doing right in Costa Rica offering the MCO-SJO segment on a daily basis, being the equipment upgraded in the past from E90 to the current 320. On the other hand, B6 JFK-LIR 7x weekly is not dropping their services in June as pointing out several weeks ago in the forum as the GDS sources didn't display further flights, in those days. The airline is just reducing their frequencies to 5x weekly during the slow season.
AA FLL-SJO 7x weekly flew the same route when NK FLL-SJO came into service. However, the airline opted to add one more daily flight to Miami and dropped the San Jose-Ft. Lauderdale service definitely.
I will pay attention later in the fares offered by B6 FLL-SJO and NK FLL-SJO.
flymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 6297 posts, RR: 6 Reply 11, posted (4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2258 times:
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 10): The concourse reminds me of a nicer, newer version of the CTB at LGA. For Florida, it's crappy.
It really is horrible. Even the newer Terminal 1 where B6 used to be is modern but very small with very few amenities. FLL is really showing its age and is only getting busier. I flew out of Terminal 3 but the AA/US side and it is a dump honestly.
Good news for B6 and FLL though. I hope to see B6 continue to expand. I don't fly them often but when I do I enjoy it.
"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7348 posts, RR: 7 Reply 14, posted (4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2055 times:
IF Jetblue wants to the king of South Florida LCC airlines and scale its operations to Latin America why not buy Spirit ? Spirit has a new modern fleet of A320 planes.
jfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2664 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2034 times:
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14): IF Jetblue wants to the king of South Florida LCC airlines and scale its operations to Latin America why not buy Spirit ? Spirit has a new modern fleet of A320 planes.
Because they are a garbage product (my opinion) that is the complete opposite of the JetBlue product (fact).
Plus Spirit is steadily pulling out of FLL. As they pull out, B6 adds.
Everyone on this site thinks mergers are easy breezy. They aren't
1. They cost money
2. They involve culture clash
3. They involve work group clash
4. They involve branding clash
If you are an airline, like JetBlue, that values your "brand" the last thing you want to do is dilute it in anyway. Spirit is like adding club soda to a perfect cocktail...no point
SurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2588 posts, RR: 31 Reply 16, posted (4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1934 times:
Wow! Another new international route out of FLL! Given that they have been successful with MCO-SJO, this will be a piece of cake!
Yes, it is clear B6 has shifted its Florida-Latin America growth strategy from MCO to FLL. I wonder if we'll see more "connecting the dots" like this, or more new station additions like MDE. If the former, I suspect stuff like STI, MBJ, and PUJ will be linked to FLL sooner rather than later. If the latter, I wonder if we could see additional Central American stations like GUA, SAL, and PTY, or some new Caribbean markets like PAP, POS, CUR and ANU. South Florida offers excellent O&D to Latin America that Orlando and even New York can't match. Plus, it is geographically closer, putting more possibilities within reach of the E190s and A320s..
With all these new southbound flights out of FLL, I wonder if we'll see B6 add any new domestic/northbound flights to feed them and further their appeal to South Florida O&D. Stuff like ORD, PHL, PIT, etc.?
Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
mah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31118 posts, RR: 73 Reply 19, posted (4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1810 times:
Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 18): If NK cant make money in certain markets, there is no way B6 can.
Really? Because B6 has handidly forced Spirit to exit or significantly reduce service in many markets, including FLLCUN, FLLKIN, FLLNAS, FLLSDQ and FLLSJU.
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 15): Plus Spirit is steadily pulling out of FLL.
No, it's not. Reducing service to focus more on domestic flying does not equal "steadily pulling out."
Noise From Canada, joined Dec 1999, 1567 posts, RR: 5 Reply 20, posted (4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1673 times:
With the expansion going on at FLL, what the heck was the purpose of building a focus city in MCO in the first place? These two hubs/focus cities seem pretty redundant, geographically at least.
NK has lower CASM than B6. Do you have LF info on NK in these markets? Is B6 taking traffic from NK? While LF can't predict profitability, in NK's case their CASM is so low and ancillary rev so high that high LF probably do equal profits.
You also answered you own question. B6 isn't running NK out of those markets. NK is moving assets to the domestic market.
yellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5161 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1645 times:
Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 18): Is NK actually pulling down FLL or simply deploying new aircraft elsewhere? If NK cant make money in certain markets, there is no way B6 can.
IMHO NK was making money in those markets, but they are making more elsewhere so they move the planes to maximize revenue.
In the words of Gordon B......"The airline business is about asset allocation"
When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
SJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4082 posts, RR: 5 Reply 24, posted (4 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1415 times:
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 16): it is clear B6 has shifted its Florida-Latin America growth strategy from MCO to FLL
Bogota and San Jose [from June 27] will experience the dual service from both FLL and MCO on B6.
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Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 16): if we could see additional Central American stations like GUA, SAL, and PTY
Spirit Airlines is struggling with NK FLL-GUA 4x weekly, NK FLL-SAL 3x weekly and NK FLL-PTY 3x weekly.
These Central American stations are having non-stop services to Miami on AA and [TACA or Copa Airlines].
Regards.
"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
25 Speedbird2263: I commute out of FLL regularly and more often than not out of Terminal 4. I can tell you that partitions have already been put up throughout Terminal
26 SJOtoLIR: Finally the schedule on the coming B6 FLL-SJO has been loaded in amadeus.net. It's competing with the current daylight NK FLL-SJO as shown: B6 039....
27 OB1504: Operating the same fleet type isn't enough to justify the turmoil of a merger, as jfklganyc stated. JetBlue seems to be doing well enough on their ow
28 SJOtoLIR: Let me put it this way: both NK FLL-GUA and NK FLL-PTY were 7x weekly some years backward. Source: Spirit timetable, May 01st 2008. The commercial st
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