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Qatar Airways Cancels 787 To Perth, To Use 777  
User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1808 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8013 times:

In the latest series of setbacks for Boeings 787 Qatar Airways has cancelled the 787 services to Perth originally slated to begin 1 Feb. It will use 77L instead.

SOURCE: Richard Maslen from twitter


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10830 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8020 times:

They need the aircraft for another route maybe?


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30618 posts, RR: 84
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7944 times:
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They evidently cancelled this morning's LHR-DOH 787 service.

User currently offlinegoosebayguy From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 382 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7897 times:

I believe Qatar have grounded the 787.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-ground-entire-fleet-aircraft.html


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3038 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7899 times:

Perhaps it's a simple as QR realizing the 787 simply isn't big enough. If I'm not mistaken, QR have seen healthy loads to PER.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30618 posts, RR: 84
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7848 times:
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Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 3):
I believe Qatar have grounded the 787.

From the article:

"Qatar Airways refused to give reasons for the grounding – nor the fate of its other four Boeing 787 planes...

Qatar confirmed the cancellation, said links to the safety fears were ‘speculation’ but admitted such cancellations were ‘rare.’

A spokesman said:’We are not able to comment on this afternoon’s cancellation.’ It also refused to comment on the fate of four other Dreamliner planes on its fleet."



Akbar Al Baker is not one for subtly. As such, I would have expected him to issue a formal press release (via bullhorn) about such a grounding.


User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7665 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
Akbar Al Baker is not one for subtly. As such, I would have expected him to issue a formal press release (via bullhorn) about such a grounding.

I agree, I am surprised he didn't come out blazing like he normally does. At the same time, maybe this has nothing to do with the recent 787 events but I bet we'll find out sooner or later.



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User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7481 times:
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Given his ego, I think he wants his facts sorted before he comes out firing at Boeing. We are seeing that the airlines are taking different approaches to these incidents:

1. UA keep on flying baby;
2. LOT (see number one)
3. QR, JL and ANA grounded for now;
4. LAN, Ethiopian and AI (see number one).


User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3936 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7407 times:
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What with JAL stating they grounded their fleet to conduct a few checks and intent to resume operations within a couple of days, I think CXfirst is probably on the right track. It would take a very serious technical problem to ground a fleet two weeks out, serious enough that we would be seeing headlines about United grounding its fleet immediately too.

Alternatively, Qatar may be concerned about the aircraft's reliability, what with the recent spate of problems, and may have changed its mind about sending it so far from base in case it goes AOG and needs spare parts not available locally. If I am not mistaken, the nearest Boeing parts warehouse to PER is in Singapore. If Qatar doesn't fully trust the plane to operate trouble-free, flying one to PER isn't the same as to LHR where Boeing has a warehouse down the road...

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 3):
I believe Qatar have grounded the 787.

They have not.

Today's schedule (Thursday) called for three of the five 787s in the fleet to be in service. Two operated normally to/from DXB, KWI and ZRH, and the third is grounded in LHR.

Of the two 787s not scheduled to be operational, one has just landed in DOH for the first time and isn't ready to go in service yet, while the other is, I think, being used for maintenance familiarization.



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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3936 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7369 times:
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Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 7):
QR, JL and ANA grounded for now

Qatar has NOT grounded its 787 fleet. A7-BCK is grounded in LHR. The other four aircraft are doing exactly what they were scheduled to do today, which is operate passenger flights for two of them, and be worked on at base for the other two!



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User currently offlineshankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7271 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
Akbar Al Baker is not one for subtly

"If I could, I would throw them away. These planes are not efficient at all"....AAB's famous quote about the A346. Well, sir, its a good job you didn't as they might come in handy over the next few months



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User currently offlineseahawks7757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6454 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 4):
Perhaps it's a simple as QR realizing the 787 simply isn't big enough. If I'm not mistaken, QR have seen healthy loads to PER.

-CXfirst

How much is the seat differential on the 787 compared to the 77L? Can't be that much.


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3038 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5925 times:

Quoting seahawks7757 (Reply 11):
How much is the seat differential on the 787 compared to the 77L? Can't be that much.

I thought the difference was greater, but wrong on that front (however 77L is more premium heavy, and perhaps QR want that).

77L: 42J + 217Y
787: 22J + 232Y

However, I'd think that using the 77L allows a bit more flexibility to fly the 77W instead when needed. Crew that come in on 77L, could leave on 77W, etc.

-CXfirst

[Edited 2013-01-17 02:50:14]


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User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5544 times:

Quoting shankly (Reply 10):

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Exactly, bet he's getting to love them now and wishes he had a few more of them !


User currently offlineJambost From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4693 times:

Shame would have loved to try my first QR & 787 experience on this route, looks like EK wins my business when they start operating their A380 to PER.

Shaky start for Boeing's Dreamliner, I am sure the issues will be sorted out and will continue to become a sucess as predicted.



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User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 677 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4512 times:

After all that "First to fly the 787 in Australia" advertising... this is such a blow to PER! Not a great start to the year.

User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1610 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4257 times:

Purely speculation, but I wonder if QR prefers to keep the 787 on routes that are primarily over land until more information is available on the battery issues. Most routes from DOH to Europe, Asia, and Africa would have ample en route diversion points if an issue arose, whereas DOH-PER has points along the route that are nearly two hours from a diversion point.

Though you would presume a battery fire is still an unlikely occurrence, it's preferable to know you'll be able to land almost immediately rather than potentially having such an issue well over the Indian Ocean.


User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 677 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4234 times:

I think that definitely has something to do with it, when you think logically. Better to be safe than sorry with all these issues going on. Optimistic thinking, but who knows, maybe we might see QR introduce a morning PER-DOH flight with the 787 sometime soon.  

User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2597 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2688 times:
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Quoting Ben175 (Reply 15):
After all that "First to fly the 787 in Australia" advertising... this is such a blow to PER! Not a great start to the year.

It may merely be postponed until a later date. They may still very well be the first to fly the 787 in Australia. Granted, I was looking forward to seeing the 787 in PER on schedule but seeing the 777 here instead isn't exactly a "loss"  
Quoting steex (Reply 16):
Purely speculation, but I wonder if QR prefers to keep the 787 on routes that are primarily over land until more information is available on the battery issues.

Perhaps that's true, but they did not give a reason for the cancellation. It is possible that this is purely an operational decision and not related to the teething problems that the 787 is currently experiencing.



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User currently offlineAABB777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2665 times:
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Quoting CXB77L (Reply 18):
Quoting steex (Reply 16):
Purely speculation, but I wonder if QR prefers to keep the 787 on routes that are primarily over land until more information is available on the battery issues.

Perhaps that's true, but they did not give a reason for the cancellation. It is possible that this is purely an operational decision and not related to the teething problems that the 787 is currently experiencing.

From an operational perspective, the 77L gives QR more premium seats to sell in what I assume is a high premium route (PER=O&G). The 77L does offer fewer Economy Class seats vs the 787, but that's ok because QR can target the higher-yielding Economy Class customer. I can actually see this equipment change as a coincidence to what is happening with the 787 grounding.


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