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BA's S13 LHR Schedule Changes  
User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11675 times:

BA have today unveiled further changes to there planned S13 operation.

Below is a list of all the changes noticed so far:

New Routes:

Chengdu - New 3 x weekly service begins 22SEP13. Flights will be operated by a 4 Class 772ER

Ibiza - New weekend service starts 29APR13. The new service will mean BA will offer a total of up to 29 (17 x LCY, 10 x LGW, 2 x LHR) flights a week to IBZ next Summer.

Palma - New weekend service starts 31MAR13. BA will offer up to 8 (6 x LCY, 2 x LHR) flights a week to PMI next summer.

Routes Suspended

BA's flights to Dar Es Salaam and Tbilisi will end in late March 2013

Frequency/Schedule Changes

Amman - Daily 2 class A321 service will increase to 10 x weekly for S13

Berlin - Flights increase to up to 7 x daily

Boston - Will increase from 3 to 4 x daily

Chennai - Will increase from 5 to 6 x weekly.

Hyderabad - Summer operation increases from 5 to 6 weekly. Once again operated by a 3 class 767

Jeddah - Will increase from 5 x weekly to daily.

Johannesburg - Increases to 17 x weekly from 29APR13. Additional 3 x weekly flights operated by a 4 class 772ER

Larnaca - Schedule changed. Flights move to a late evening departure from LHR. Return flights will depart LCA late morning .

Leeds Bradford - Frequency will reduce from up to 4 x daily to 3 x daily.

Luanda - Will increase from 2 to 3 x weekly for S13

Mexico City - Will increase from 4 to 5 x weekly.

Miami - Frequency reduced from 3 to 2 x daily. BA205/BA204 will not operate.

Phoenix - Daily frequency introduced during W12 continues through S13

Rio De Janeiro - Will increase from 6 x weekly to daily. Flights continue to be operated by a 3 class 772ER

Stockholm - Will increase from up to 5 x daily to 6 x daily

Toronto - Will increase from 2 x daily to 17 x weekly.

Aircraft Type Change

Almaty - 3 x weekly direct 3 Class 767 service will replace the current A321 service via Tbilisi.

Cairo - 3 Class 767 replaces the 2 class A321 01JUL13 to 04OCT13

Hong Kong - 747 replaces 77G on BA027/BA028 rotation

Kuwait - 747 introduced for W12 continues to operate S13. 772ER operated S12

Los Angeles - 747 replaces 77G on BA279/BA278 rotation

Singapore/Sydney - 77G replaces 747.

Terminal Changes

Flights to Almaty, Dusseldorf, Leeds Bradford, Toulouse and Zagreb will move from T1 to T5

Flights to Larnaca, Singapore and Sydney will move from T3 to T5


BA expected to confirm which routes are to be operated by the 787 and A380 in the next few weeks

Therefore further changes are likely

28 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineby188b From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11486 times:

Great, thanks for sharing


next flights : BD LHR-TXL J, FR SXF-STN Y, SN BRU-LHR Y, MA LHR-BUD Y, BA BUD-LHR J, BA LCY-SNN-JFK J, BA JFK-LHR J, BA
User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 11423 times:

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
Terminal Changes

Flights to Almaty, Dusseldorf, Leeds Bradford, Toulouse and Zagreb will move from T1 to T5

Flights to Larnaca, Singapore and Sydney will move from T3 to T5

Thank you for the update,

Are there any routes moving from T5 to another Terminal to accommodate these changes?


User currently offlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2182 posts, RR: 36
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 11295 times:

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
Terminal Changes

Flights to Almaty, Dusseldorf, Leeds Bradford, Toulouse and Zagreb will move from T1 to T5

Flights to Larnaca, Singapore and Sydney will move from T3 to T5

Does this leave Bangkok as the only longhaul route left out of T3 ?


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2486 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10993 times:

Thanks for sharing.

Nothing much has been left from the ex BMED routes except Amman, Beirut, Freetown and Almaty. Having Amman, Beirut and Tel Aviv only being operated by the Midhaul A321, there fleet is going to be underutilized. Or can we expect new route announcements.

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
Flights to Almaty, Dusseldorf, Leeds Bradford, Toulouse and Zagreb will move from T1 to T5

If these move to T5 along Singapore, some other services might need to be relocated to T1 or T3.



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User currently onlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 750 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10939 times:

So are the only 777-300ER routes LHR-SIN-SYD and LHR-JFK?


SEA SFO SJC LAX ONT SAN DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW CVG MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT BWI PHL LGA JFK MEX LIM KEF
User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10926 times:

Dar Es Salaam being suspended is a bit of a surprise. IBZ from LHR is an even bigger one as I would have thought they would've just left it to the LCY frequencies.

Quite pleased to see ALA go 767, I thought it would prove to be a more successful ex BD route.


User currently offlinebarca From Norway, joined Apr 2012, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10144 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 4):
Thanks for sharing.

Nothing much has been left from the ex BMED routes except Amman, Beirut, Freetown and Almaty. Having Amman, Beirut and Tel Aviv only being operated by the Midhaul A321, there fleet is going to be underutilized. Or can we expect new route announcements.

HAJ, BGO and SVG along with Agadir are also former BMI routes left and still running by BA. Anybody know how it is going with BA to these four destinations??


User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9695 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 5):
So are the only 777-300ER routes LHR-SIN-SYD and LHR-JFK?
BA plan to operate the 77W's on the following flights during S13. Information based on timetable for 01-07JUL 13

Daily - BA005/BA006 - LHR/NRT/LHR

Daily - BA015/BA016 - LHR/SIN/SYD/SIN/LHR

6 x Weekly - BA179/BA182 - LHR/JFK/LHR (Sun to Fri)

5 x Weekly - BA169/BA168 - LHR/PVG/LHR (Thu to Mon)

Quoting barca (Reply 7):
Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 4):
Thanks for sharing.

Nothing much has been left from the ex BMED routes except Amman, Beirut, Freetown and Almaty. Having Amman, Beirut and Tel Aviv only being operated by the Midhaul A321, there fleet is going to be underutilized. Or can we expect new route announcements.

HAJ, BGO and SVG along with Agadir are also former BMI routes left and still running by BA. Anybody know how it is going with BA to these four destinations??

I think he meant the mid haul routes that BD began operating back in 2007 after the sucessfully buying the former BA franchise carrier British Mediterranean Airways (BMED).

Quoting runway23 (Reply 3):
Does this leave Bangkok as the only longhaul route left out of T3 ?

Yes BKK will be the only longhaul route operating ex T3 during S13

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 4):
If these move to T5 along Singapore, some other services might need to be relocated to T1 or T3.

It's worth remembering that BA have had spare capacity at T5 since the CAI and TLV were transfered to T1. BA's flights to LCA, SIN and SYD are able to be accommodated at T5 thanks to a number of minor timetable changes and the spare capacity freed up during W12 .

[Edited 2013-01-17 15:46:20]

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2486 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8958 times:

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 8):
I think he meant the mid haul routes that BD began operating back in 2007 after the sucessfully buying the former BA franchise carrier British Mediterranean Airways (BMED).

Correct... but what will happen with those mid haul A321s. If they are only going to be used to AMM, BEY and TLV, only 4 frames would be needed...



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User currently offlineseansasLCY From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 843 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8853 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 9):
Correct... but what will happen with those mid haul A321s. If they are only going to be used to AMM, BEY and TLV, only 4 frames would be needed...

I thought they also operate to Moscow?


User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8627 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 9):
Correct... but what will happen with those mid haul A321s. If they are only going to be used to AMM, BEY and TLV, only 4 frames would be needed...

Based on the schedule for the first week of June 2013 the BA mid haul A321 are to operate:

AMM - 11 x Weekly
BEY - Daily
CAI - Daily
GYD - Daily
TLV - 20 x weekly

BA will require 6 aircraft to operate this operation leaving 1 spare. From the 1st of July CAI will move to a 767 for 4 months. BA are moving the CAI to a 767 due to a number of the mid haul A321's being due maintenance checks over this period.
Quoting seansasLCY (Reply 10):
I thought they also operate to Moscow?
DME is at operated by:
BA233/BA232 - 4 Class 747 (14F/70J/30W/185Y)
BA235/BA234 - 3 Class 767 (24J/24W/140Y)
BA237/BA236 - 3 Class 767 (24J/24W/140Y)

The DME was switched from a shorthaul to longhaul product a year ago.

BA has seen a noticeable improvement in loads and yields in it's business and economy cabins since they switched to a longhaul operation. However loads and yields have been very disappointing in it's F and WTP cabins. In fact more often than not pax traveling in seated in WTP have been upgraded due to a over sale in WT.

Personally I think that we will see BA make changes to how they operate the LHR-DME service in W13. I think it would be make more sense if BA made changes to the aircraft operating the route from the current operation detailed above to:

BA233/BA232 - 3 Class 777 (48J/24W/203Y)
BA235/BA234 - 2 Class Midhaul A321 (23J/131Y)
BA235/BA234 - 2 Class Midhaul A321 (23J/131Y)

[Edited 2013-01-18 04:55:38]

User currently offlineplanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7789 times:

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 8):
5 x Weekly - BA169/BA168 - LHR/PVG/LHR (Thu to Mon)

Does this flight operate with a 772 on the other weekly frequency then?


User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3981 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 7232 times:

Quoting planesarecool (Reply 12):
Does this flight operate with a 772 on the other weekly frequency then?

Yes Wed flight is a 772


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2486 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6256 times:

Was BA obliged to use the 12 slots it needed to hand over to competition in Winter 2012/2013?


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User currently offline1400mph From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2013, 700 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6135 times:

How many LHR slots will BA purchase from Ryanair/Aer Lingus should the deal pass EU scrutiny ?

User currently offlineBA0197 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2011, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5746 times:

I think the new A321 configurations have been a smashing success. Very useful for certain routes I would think.

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 11):
Personally I think that we will see BA make changes to how they operate the LHR-DME service in W13. I think it would be make more sense if BA made changes to the aircraft operating the route from the current operation detailed above to:

I agree. I think it would be best suted for that as well, yet perhaps, if they could fill it a low-J 744 to replace the lost capacity.

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
Ibiza - New weekend service starts 29APR13. The new service will mean BA will offer a total of up to 29 (17 x LCY, 10 x LGW, 2 x LHR) flights a week to IBZ next Summer.

Palma - New weekend service starts 31MAR13. BA will offer up to 8 (6 x LCY, 2 x LHR) flights a week to PMI next summer.

I wonder when these sort of slot-sitting routes (ALC, AGA also comes to mind) will be given up and replaced with long-haul destinations (and the routes could be switched to LGW if found to be sustaniable) Or could be actually be contenplating opening up lesuire routes from LHR? Anyone have any figures off hand?

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 15):
How many LHR slots will BA purchase from Ryanair/Aer Lingus should the deal pass EU scrutiny ?

The Financial Times says Ryannair would give up half of EIs LHR slots to BA.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5354 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5705 times:

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
BA expected to confirm which routes are to be operated by the 787 and A380 in the next few weeks.

I wonder how the 787 situation has affected plans for the summer schedules? I hope they have enough a/c to cover everything expected or already planned just in case the new planes are not exactly "usable" for a while!

bb


User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3981 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5277 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 17):
I wonder how the 787 situation has affected plans for the summer schedules? I hope they have enough a/c to cover everything expected or already planned just in case the new planes are not exactly "usable" for a while!

The four B787 due this year will replace B767-300.
So the problem will be finding B767 maint slots to keep them in service. You can be sure that all 4 B767 will be due big hangar checks, which will now have to be done.


User currently offlineLofty From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4876 times:

T1 to see a BA B767 again.

User currently offlinetimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1323 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4809 times:

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 16):

I think the new A321 configurations have been a smashing success

Are there any photos of the interiors of these a/c with the new Swiss seats? I haven't seen any and I am very curious!


User currently offlinebamf777 From UK - England, joined Sep 2012, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4746 times:

I have a picture of the world traveller cabin. Not the best but something! IFE is still bmi branding.



The postings on this site are my own and don’t necessarily represent British Airways’ positions, strategies or opinions
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4714 times:

Quoting timboflier215 (Reply 20):
Are there any photos of the interiors of these a/c with the new Swiss seats?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/19193824-post42.html



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineshuttle9juliet From UK - Scotland, joined Jul 2010, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4208 times:

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 18):

767s will see service to GLA and EDI summer schedule too.

G-BNWN will be the first to leave the fleet


User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 11):
Based on the schedule for the first week of June 2013 the BA mid haul A321 are to operate:

AMM - 11 x Weekly
BEY - Daily
CAI - Daily
GYD - Daily
TLV - 20 x weekly

BA will increase frequency to BEY from the start of S13. Flights will increase to 10 x weekly from it's originally planned daily frequency


25 yellowtail : This is a surprise. I always thought this flight did well. That leaves KL at DAR.....
26 gilesdavies : Is it likely these flight times have purely been changed to allow them to get a slot at LHR's T5? I notice the flight times are pretty rubbish! LHR 2
27 Post contains images CYatUK : I agree, however it appears that LCA is not very high on BA priorities possibly due to Cyprus being a small destination with no large numbers of prem
28 raffik : Good news. Any chance of it going to a 767 at all? I always thought it was strange that LCA received the 767 but not BEY, although looking at some tr
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