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Egyptair Starting Toronto (4 Flights Weekly )  
User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4456 times:

Egyptair has announced that it will be starting Toronto along with Manchester and Harare ( Zimbabwe ). Starting June 1st , the Airline will start 4 weekly flights between Cairo and Toronto using their newest B777-300 ER .

To/From Toronto:

Flight number: 995/996

Operating days from Cairo: Monday, Wednesday, Friday & Sunday

Operating days from Toronto: Monday, Tuesday, Thursday & Saturday

Departure time from Cairo: 2355 [11:55 pm ]

Departure time from Toronto: 1245 [ 12:45 pm


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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2568 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4339 times:

Because both MS and AC are in Star Alliance, one could expect the MS flight will bear AC code-share.
Would have guessed MS return to LAX (via somewhere in Europe) and CAI-LAD before CAI-HRE.



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User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4259 times:

No words yet about Washington , they used to serve Harare before but never Luanda . On a side note , According to statistics released by the Ministry of Tourism, the number of travelers reaching Egypt from Canada increased 3.5% from the period between January and October 2012, compared to the same period in 2011, from 41,000 to 42,600.


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User currently offlineETinCaribe From Ethiopia, joined Dec 2009, 722 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4216 times:

CONGRATS to MS. This plan is a couple of years old. The Arab spring derailed it, but only temporarily, until now.

Quoting MSYYZ (Thread starter):
the Airline will start 4 weekly flights between Cairo and Toronto using their newest B777-300 ER .

Wow, that's quite some capacity. 1388 seats/week.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 1):
Because both MS and AC are in Star Alliance, one could expect the MS flight will bear AC code-share.

I am not sure. They may choose to still codeshare via FRA, MUC or LHR as they do today with LH (FRA and MUC) and MS (LHR) since they will still get to fly the transatlantic segment on their own metal. Remains to be seen...

[Edited 2013-01-17 08:46:06]

User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3701 times:

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 3):
CONGRATS to MS

How many flights do ET have to Toronto ? Still 2 flights a week Via Rome ?

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 3):

Wow, that's quite some capacity. 1388 seats/week.

I know , i wonder if they will be flying only thrice a week in the slower winter months . THY have 5 flights a week out of YYZ to IST in the summer .
So far no words about code sharing with AC .



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24858 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3682 times:

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 4):
How many flights do ET have to Toronto ? Still 2 flights a week Via Rome ?

Yes, 2 x week. Nonstop eastbound, FCO fuel stop westbound.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 4):
Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 3):

Wow, that's quite some capacity. 1388 seats/week.

I know , i wonder if they will be flying only thrice a week in the slower winter months .

When MS served YUL wasn't it a seasonal operation?


User currently onlineElPistolero From Canada, joined Feb 2012, 1008 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3663 times:

4 weekly?! That really is progress compared to the standard 3 weekly.  
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
When MS served YUL wasn't it a seasonal operation?

When did MS fly to YUL and with what equipment? I recall seeing some interesting aircraft at YUL over the past 10 years, but don't recall seeing MS. Have they been around in the Canadian market for a while?

[Edited 2013-01-18 15:35:05]

User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1639 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3654 times:

Quoting ElPistolero (Reply 6):
with what equipment?

A342s and 772ER.


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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7165 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3636 times:

I enjoyd my flights on MS. Certainly glad for them and their expansion.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24858 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3546 times:

Quoting ElPistolero (Reply 6):
When did MS fly to YUL

From 2001 to around 2009. When they started it was a tag-on twice a week from JFK, but later became nonstop YUL-CAI. I think it was year-round the first year but from then on I think it became a seasonal service. All the A.net photos of MS at YUL are between May and September except those dated 2001.


User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3469 times:

ADD-YYZ is probably a larger O&D market...

Kudos to them. I hope the current situation in Egypt doesn't get worse...


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2163 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

Excellent job, good work for YYZ, Star Alliance and MS!   


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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2568 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3414 times:

Now that MS is going to fly to YYZ red-eyes west-bound, any guess as MS would think of changing it schedule to NYC to red-eyes west-bound too and move its operations to Star Alliance pal UA hub EWR?


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24847 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3101 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 1):
Because both MS and AC are in Star Alliance, one could expect the MS flight will bear AC code-share.

Don't read Star Alliance membership as meaning there will be any meaningful cooperation between airlines.

AC ignored TK in the YYZ market for a full 2-years, and only recently signed a codeshare. TK could not even sell connections on AC flights with preferential prorate fares until late last year.

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 10):
ADD-YYZ is probably a larger O&D market...

Actually CAI is significantly larger local market from YYZ versus ADD.

However neither one is something I would describe as even being close to a big market. There are many larger unserved markets from Toronto including points in India, Sri Lanka, Iran, Lebanon, etc

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 12):
and move its operations to Star Alliance pal UA hub EWR?

Again, like AC, UA has really not much to do with MS.

They have an extremely narrow codeshare that covers only 4 cities in the US, a couple in Europe to Cairo.

As MS is outside the A++ JV with AC/LH Group there is not much incentive to send traffic on it.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24858 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3068 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 10):
ADD-YYZ is probably a larger O&D market...

Actually CAI is significantly larger local market from YYZ versus ADD.

However neither one is something I would describe as even being close to a big market. There are many larger unserved markets from Toronto including points in India, Sri Lanka, Iran, Lebanon, etc

I expect a major market will be connecting traffic to/from BEY. Ontario accounts for the largest proportion of the Lebanese community in Canada (about 40%) although when looking only at individual cities YUL has a larger community than YYZ.


User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2568 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3018 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
Again, like AC, UA has really not much to do with MS.

They have an extremely narrow codeshare that covers only 4 cities in the US, a couple in Europe to Cairo.

That was really expected, specially since MS is flying to JFK and the only UA domestic flights MS could get code-share are those few to/from JFK.



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User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2791 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):

AC ignored TK in the YYZ market for a full 2-years

AC also ignored IST for a while , and now after the great success of THY on the IST-YYZ route , AC is looking at launching their own service between the 2 cities ( 3 flights weekly ) ,

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):

Again, like AC, UA has really not much to do with MS.

MS and AC were code-sharing flights between YYZ and CAI via LHR for quite sometime .

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):

Actually CAI is significantly larger local market from YYZ versus ADD.

Agree , but MS is starting the route with 4 flights a week on board B77-300 ER , quite a capacity if you ask me .

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 15):
That was really expected, specially since MS is flying to JFK and the only UA domestic flights MS could get code-share are those few to/from JFK.

Have UA and DL stopped their services to CAI ?



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User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2740 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
I expect a major market will be connecting traffic to/from BEY

Yep, TK and MS already do very well out of the Lebanese market. A bit miffed that MEA is *still*
unable to secure authorisation to serve North America when countries like Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia
and Pakistan are able to do so. Still, atleast the Lebanese have lots of choices, even though they do
still need to make connections across Europe or the Levante



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User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2950 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
I expect a major market will be connecting traffic to/from BEY. Ontario accounts for the largest proportion of the Lebanese community in Canada (about 40%) although when looking only at individual cities YUL has a larger community than YYZ.

YOW also has a significant Lebanese community for whom YUL is much closer than YYZ.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2640 times:

raffik all the countries you mention are very special to US, in more than one way.

User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 19):
raffik all the countries you mention are very special to US, in more than one way

You're either with us or against us wasn't it?  



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2586 times:

No, its more to do with strategic plans pre-dating 9/11, Lebanon can join the club too if they like, whats keeping it out?

[Edited 2013-01-20 08:03:10]

User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2474 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 21):
Lebanon can join the club too if they like, whats keeping it out?

What plan pre 9/11? Air Canada announced the launch of Montreal-Beirut flights in 2003 and the US
government urged the Canadian government to withdraw the rights 24 hours before the first flight
despite there being advanced booking for months ahead.

ME used to serve New York 3 x weekly but the rights were withdrawn in the 1980s after a Palestinian
woman drove a truck into the US embassy in Beirut.

What other plans were there in place?



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2426 times:

The you are with us or against us threat was due to 9/11, US has strategic ties with these countries dating back to 1980s and earlier, not due to or post 9/11, dont you think US coudl have banned all these carriers from flying to their country but they didnt, must be some reason that Lebanon does not fit in at the moment that its being treated differently ever since.

Lebanon can get Boeings and US/Canada routes by playing into US hands as the other states are, join the club was meant to refer to that.

now back to topic.


User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2051 times:

What impact this new service would have on THY and ET if any in your opinions , any input ?


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User currently offlinepnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2226 posts, RR: 12
Reply 25, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1972 times:

There might be a minimal impact on ET for people connecting on to other African locations. The passenger will migrate to whoever is cheapest and has the best connections on to where they are going. I would think that MS will have an advantage for other Arab and south Mediterranean destinations over ET, but I doubt people would be flying to those locations anyways using ET.

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