Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26720 posts, RR: 83 Reply 1, posted (4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 18230 times:
There was a rumor that Turkish Airlines would order the A380 (as part of a larger order including the A320neo) during the visit by French Foreign Trade Minister Nicole Bricq. However, no deal has been announced as of yet.
baldwin471 From UK - England, joined Mar 2012, 211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 17962 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
There was a rumor that Turkish Airlines would order the A380 (as part of a larger order including the A320neo) during the visit by French Foreign Trade Minister Nicole Bricq. However, no deal has been announced as of yet.
Can't see that happening in all honesty. Maybe some 77W's.
cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 7709 posts, RR: 55 Reply 5, posted (4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 17859 times:
I still say it's United. They have 24 747s which are going to need replacing very soon - some are 20 years old. Maybe a big order for 777-300ERs would cover it but actually I think they're going to go big time. Japan, Australia, China all need capacity. Finally an American Whale. That's my prediction.
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Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26720 posts, RR: 83 Reply 7, posted (4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 17713 times:
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 4): True, but they can already order the aircraft.
Certainly they can order them now, but if the new IST is delayed, then they either need to defer or try and shoe-horn them into the current IST.
If TK wanted the 747-8, I could possibly see them ordering it now because the 747-8's narrower wingspan would allow it to fit into IST better than the A380-800. However I'm not sure if a gate that meets the ICAO Code F criteria is required in order to park a 748 or A388 or if it is just a recommendation. Looking at the current IST gate layout, they appear to interleave Code E and Code C planes in order to provide sufficient wingtip clearance. As the 747-8's span is only a couple of meters wider than the 777-300ER (a Code E aircraft), I would think one could interleave it with a 737 or A320, as well.
connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3857 posts, RR: 13 Reply 11, posted (4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 17181 times:
Quoting cedarjet (Reply 5): I still say it's United. They have 24 747s which are going to need replacing very soon - some are 20 years old. Maybe a big order for 777-300ERs would cover it but actually I think they're going to go big time. Japan, Australia, China all need capacity. Finally an American Whale. That's my prediction.
Isn't the planned 744 replacement the A359 ? That is what is stated in the recent feature on Continental/United in "Air International".
EPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 3594 posts, RR: 36 Reply 12, posted (4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 17159 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 7): Certainly they can order them now, but if the new IST is delayed, then they either need to defer or try and shoe-horn them into the current IST.
They would be taking a risk if they followed that policy. The new Berlin Airport shows what could go wrong when betting on that. Especially Air Berlin is suffering from all the delays there. Let's hope Turkey and TK can pull-off a better job if they decide to order the A380.
art From Lebanon, joined Feb 2005, 2937 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 17102 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 7): Certainly they can order them now, but if the new IST is delayed, then they either need to defer or try and shoe-horn them into the current IST.
IIRC A380 has no lease company orders, so if you want them in the next few years, you have to order them yourself. I guess you can always arrange to defer but can you get them sooner if you need them?
KaiTak747 From Switzerland, joined Aug 2012, 146 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (4 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 15442 times:
Quoting solnabo (Reply 6): I Think BA will top-up the A380s (12 on order)
They got a lot of 744s in fleet wich are quite old now.
I think you may be right... but I think BA will wait unti they have a couple of A380s in service to evaluate them (I think the first one is coming in Q3). The 747s will be used until the end of their useful lives, so there is no rush to replace them at this time.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26720 posts, RR: 83 Reply 20, posted (4 months 5 days ago) and read 5378 times:
Quoting RayChuang (Reply 19): I'd put my money on an additional BA order for the A380-800 to replace their 747-400 fleet, which is starting to become expensive to run.
I'm with those who believe BA will want to see how the A380 works out for them in revenue service before placing a top-up order. And by "works for them" I mean within their network, overall. Clearly they feel the plane will work for them on some routes, otherwise they would not have ordered it in the first place.
brilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 3175 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (4 months 5 days ago) and read 4725 times:
Quoting lollomz (Reply 17):
It would be nice to see an american A380, even if I think it's quite impossible..
Well there have been several threads on that subject and why it won't be happening.
Quoting MD80Nut (Reply 18):
Too bad it won't be AA, DL or UA. I'd love to see the A380 flying for a US airline.
BA seems like a logical choice given all the 744s they have.
Using that logic, it could also be Singapore, or Qantas, or Air France, or JAL...Take your pick. It is all just speculation and conjecture which of course this website is so good at, but it is fun isn't it?
BA0197 From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 168 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (4 months 5 days ago) and read 4605 times:
I'll put my voice in for another vote of a BA "top-up order", although I have a feeling that this new order will be significantly bigger than the 12 they have committed to. I expect a top up order of 23-30 aircraft.
Do remember that BA made its 12 commitments when the economic climate was rapidly deteriorating, and as we know, BA are very conservative in their fleet planning.
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Aquila3 From Italy, joined Nov 2010, 208 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (4 months 5 days ago) and read 4574 times:
Quoting EPA001 (Reply 12): They would be taking a risk if they followed that policy. The new Berlin Airport shows what could go wrong when betting on that. Especially Air Berlin is suffering from all the delays there. Let's hope Turkey and TK can pull-off a better job if they decide to order the A380.
Hey, that is Turkey.
Not Germany ...ops... Berlin/ Brandeburg.......
Sorry, no offense for the German friends, just could not resist, maybe the only time in a life that I can.
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N14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2313 posts, RR: 25 Reply 28, posted (4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3779 times:
Yesterday, I read (I think it was Hurrieyet online) that Chancellor Merkel will travel to Turkey as well in February. Well, it's pure speculation but at least it's a realistic scenario that Turkey wants to see representatives from both France and Germany to discuss some open issues before signing "a significant" order.
art From Lebanon, joined Feb 2005, 2937 posts, RR: 0 Reply 29, posted (4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3154 times:
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 28): Yesterday, I read (I think it was Hurrieyet online) that Chancellor Merkel will travel to Turkey as well in February. Well, it's pure speculation but at least it's a realistic scenario that Turkey wants to see representatives from both France and Germany to discuss some open issues before signing "a significant" order.
If it is TK (and contracts have been set up), might it be that for political reasons Turkey would rather sign the order on the visit of a German head of state? Or that Merkel wants to have an order announced during her visit?
anfromme From Ireland, joined Feb 2012, 285 posts, RR: 10 Reply 30, posted (4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2641 times:
Quoting BA0197 (Reply 23): I'll put my voice in for another vote of a BA "top-up order", although I have a feeling that this new order will be significantly bigger than the 12 they have committed to. I expect a top up order of 23-30 aircraft.
Hmm - Leahy said that his target for A380 sales in 2013 is 25. If he already had a significant order for 23 to 30 more or less in the bag, I'm sure he would have been bolder.
Also, I don't think BA is going to top up their order just yet. I do believe they will, but not before they've operated them for a year or two.
Quoting art (Reply 29): If it is TK (and contracts have been set up), might it be that for political reasons Turkey would rather sign the order on the visit of a German head of state? Or that Merkel wants to have an order announced during her visit?
That would make sense. Although I'm not holding my breath - TK has been just about to place a VLA order so many times over the last few years but eventually nothing was ever actually signed and announced.
Oh - and I do think that if TK eventually place a VLA order it will be for the A380, not the 747-8i. I tend to go with Scott Hamilton's view that the 747-8i - not the 747-8F - does not have much of a future.
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7695 posts, RR: 5 Reply 31, posted (4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2583 times:
The reason why I mentioned BA as the next customer to buy more A380's comes down to this: the 747-400 fleet, while very well-maintained, is starting to become a bit of a fuel guzzler by 2013 standards--and the 777-300ER is too small a plane for many of BA's more popular routes. BA could easily fill an A388 from LHR to several destinations in the USA, HKG, SIN, NRT, PEK, and several others.
scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11362 posts, RR: 50 Reply 32, posted (4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2456 times:
Quoting anfromme (Reply 30): If he already had a significant order for 23 to 30 more or less in the bag, I'm sure he would have been bolder.
I'm sure he'd rather under-promise and over-deliver on that. There are indications that EK may place their much talked about top-up for 30 frames this year. That would mean any other orders in 2013 are just icing on the cake, especially if the target has been set somewhat on the low side.
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