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PIA Routes Rumor / Update  
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 10349 times:

According to posters at another board PK are rumored to reroute JFK and ORD through Shannon from summer, the tech stop was used for cargo flights through the 1990s and passenger services from 1999-2000, at the time they were doing Washington too besides JFK and YYZ.

Chicago is to resume from May, possibly ORD will be via MAN and JFK wil go via BCN instead.

Glasgow may also be back from May linked to Lahore, was suspended a couple of years back.

Mashhad in Iran also planned to resume.

Also mention unamed "new" destinations in southeast Asia from Karachi to be revived.

New destinations Najaf in Iraq and Kashi in China also planned for launch this year.

[Edited 2013-01-17 14:19:37]

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User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2180 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week ago) and read 10021 times:

not sure they know whether theyre coming or going. Looking at the LBA figures may the A310 will go from there to GLA. Surprised double daily EK are not putting PK off at GLA. Again the use it or lose it came to fruition and nothing had changed on what essentially is niche VFR. Those A310's wont last forever...

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week ago) and read 9928 times:

GLA is being resumed under poitical pressure on PM's directive thanks to the dumb immigrant community who met him and asked him to do this, and are probably too complexed to travel on foreign carriers because they cant throw their weight around, with issues such as excess baggage and bossing the crew.

[Edited 2013-01-17 16:18:01]

User currently offlineFaddyPainter From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week ago) and read 9870 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 2):
GLA is being resumed under poitical pressure on PM's directive thanks to the dumb immigrant community who met him and asked him to do this, and are probably too complexed to travel on foreign carriers because they cant throw their weight around, with issues such as excess bagge and bossing the vrew.

Makes you wonder how profitable the rest of their EU destinations are, or are they too just operating for the sake of the expat communities?

BCN in particular always seemed a strange one to me.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9782 times:

Yes only catering expats abroad and possubly 10% foreign traffic, also dont forget they were pulling out of Leeds too till the dumb immigrants complained to a Pak origin female MP or somethimg in UK who took up the issue with PIA and got them to stay.

User currently offlineFaddyPainter From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9758 times:

Do expats get to vote in Pak elections? That might go some way to explaining it. Otherwise I can't see why even PIA would bother serving those markets.


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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9718 times:

Quoting FaddyPainter (Reply 5):

They do.


User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9454 times:

Probably will bring back Singapore since there no current service from Pakistan to Singapore. I wish they would come back to Houston be nice to have. Can you just fly to Manchester or Shannon or Barcelona and get off? Or do you have to go to Pakistan?

User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9410 times:

I wonder if PIA will get hit hard when the Middle East carriers come to Sialkot.

User currently offlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2361 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9115 times:

Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
Glasgow may also be back from May

Yes, have a look, PIA already loaded new destination to their booking tool (Glasgow, Chicago)- but these destinations are not (yet) bookable... There is something coming up!

http://www.piaawards.com/pia/WebtktS...aspx?CFID=3522982&CFTOKEN=54331179


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2814 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8907 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 7):
Can you just fly to Manchester or Shannon or Barcelona and get off? Or do you have to go to Pakistan?
SNN will be used as a transit stop only by what I understand (for re-screening and pre-clearing) and will not take any SNN O&D passengers. This means PK intends to have nonstop JFK-LHE flights on the return sector.

[Edited 2013-01-18 04:59:14]


Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10371 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8897 times:

Any news on the secondhand 777s they are interested in? Wonder how many hours/cycles the 27-year old 743s have clocked by now. They must be far above 100.000 hours now.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26521 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8855 times:

Quoting FaddyPainter (Reply 3):

BCN is no surprise due to the Pakistani diaspora.

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 10):

As was the last time when they operated the 743. Lets hope it goes better than last time.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8649 times:

Quoting debonair (Reply 9):

Could be an old list yet to be updated, it still features suspended station Al Ain and is missing some relaunched regional and domestic ones too.

Quoting na (Reply 11):

leasing two 772 plan dropped in favour of three more narrow bodies totalingl eight, expected to be A320 so far but said to have been dropped again with the 738 is being looked at , of 743 four are flying a fifth waiting engine replacement, two or three more rumored to be coming in from Saudia later on.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 12):

SNN also got the 707-300CF and A310 during that period, including flights to Toronto.


User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8282 times:

They should pick up traffic in Shannon and Manchester.

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10371 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7906 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 13):
leasing two 772 plan dropped in favour of three more narrow bodies totalingl eight, expected to be A320 so far but said to have been dropped again with the 738 is being looked at , of 743 four are flying a fifth waiting engine replacement, two or three more rumored to be coming in from Saudia later on.

I thought I read recently the plans to get Saudia 743s have been dropped.
Will those A320s replace the very old 733s (which are even older than the 743s) or are they fleet additions?


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7672 times:

They are replacements for 733.

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7105 times:

Its now conirmed SNN is coming back according to tender at PK website, JFK flights will be routed via there thrice weeklly.

User currently offlineFaddyPainter From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7004 times:

Is that instead of MAN now?


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User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2814 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6689 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 17):
Its now conirmed SNN is coming back according to tender at PK website, JFK flights will be routed via there thrice weeklly.

Do you have a link?



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6635 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 17):
Its now conirmed SNN is coming back according to tender at PK website, JFK flights will be routed via there thrice weeklly.

Good news for SNN. Hopefully it will last a bit longer than last time.


User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5014 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 16 hours ago) and read 6314 times:

This maybe slightly off topic - a friend of mine is transiting KHI soon and was wondering how the transit process works as he does not have a visa and is connecting EK to TG on separate tickets.

Thoughts?

Saludos,
A.



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User currently offlineKHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1614 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 9 hours ago) and read 6041 times:

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 21):

There is very little to no transit action in KHI as you probably know. Infact its so novel that im actually curious as to what your friends routing is that there was a need to transit via KHI. If he is connecting from EK to TG that means hes arriving from DXB and going onto BKK (TG flies to MCT from KHI too but i doubt he would go DXB-MCT this way). Howcome he wouldnt get onto a TG flight from DXB? One possibility could be to take advantage of much lower J class fares from KHI.

Coming to your specific question,there is a small transit lounge at KHI airport and over the years i have seen people there ocassionaly. The lounge is called "transit lounge" and it is located on the departures level. Logistically speaking if your friend has a separate ticket for his TG flight,it would mean he will need to go to the TG desk (to acquire his boarding pass) which is at the entrance of departures - the immigration checks are between this point and the transit lounge. Im thinking how will he make his way to the TG desk as an arriving pax with no visa.

By the way what is the nationality of the friend - if not too much hassle i would suggest he may just get a visa to avoid any hassle at the airport OR at the very least call the local TG office in Karachi and speak to a senior person there and explain his circumstances. Perhaps TG can send a ground staff to fetch him from his arriving EK flight and liase with the immigration folks.

Tell him try calling +9221 32788000 and see what they say. Do keep us posted - i would be very curious how it shapes up.


User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5014 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5581 times:

Quoting KHI747 (Reply 22):
There is very little to no transit action in KHI as you probably know. Infact its so novel that im actually curious as to what your friends routing is that there was a need to transit via KHI. If he is connecting from EK to TG that means hes arriving from DXB and going onto BKK (TG flies to MCT from KHI too but i doubt he would go DXB-MCT this way). Howcome he wouldnt get onto a TG flight from DXB? One possibility could be to take advantage of much lower J class fares from KHI.

Coming to your specific question,there is a small transit lounge at KHI airport and over the years i have seen people there ocassionaly. The lounge is called "transit lounge" and it is located on the departures level. Logistically speaking if your friend has a separate ticket for his TG flight,it would mean he will need to go to the TG desk (to acquire his boarding pass) which is at the entrance of departures - the immigration checks are between this point and the transit lounge. Im thinking how will he make his way to the TG desk as an arriving pax with no visa.

By the way what is the nationality of the friend - if not too much hassle i would suggest he may just get a visa to avoid any hassle at the airport OR at the very least call the local TG office in Karachi and speak to a senior person there and explain his circumstances. Perhaps TG can send a ground staff to fetch him from his arriving EK flight and liase with the immigration folks.

Tell him try calling +9221 32788000 and see what they say. Do keep us posted - i would be very curious how it shapes up.

= Thanks for your help. I have already advised him of this. But he is a crazy airline guy who has been to over 170 countries and is flying the last Eritrean Airlines flight to KHI and then connecting on to Thai for BKK. So, is there not a transfer desk @ KHI?

Oh the best part, he is going to be on an Indian passport ...

Saludos,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineKHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1614 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5468 times:

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 23):
= Thanks for your help. I have already advised him of this. But he is a crazy airline guy who has been to over 170 countries and is flying the last Eritrean Airlines flight to KHI and then connecting on to Thai for BKK. So, is there not a transfer desk @ KHI?

Oh the best part, he is going to be on an Indian passport ...

Saludos,
A.

His nationality may well make the transfer experience a bit more interesting in KHI to say the least  

To be honest,despite travelling so much from that airport,im not sure about the existance of a transfer desk at KHI. I would like to think there is one however i dont ever recall seeing any action on it. KHI is 99.9% O&D (save for domestic transfers). He should definately call TG local office prior to departure.


25 777way : PIA will stop serving full meals on domestic routes from 1 February, these will be replaced by refreshments.
26 IAH59 : I wonder if the CAA has any improvement plans for KHI and LHE?
27 bogoss : Kashgar sounds fun! I can already see lots of bicycles being checked-in if that's going to happen. A ride across the Pamirs then fly back would be an
28 777way : According to another board A320 coming from Jetstar Asia, first three due in April and crew training to be in Colombo.[Edited 2013-01-26 09:52:31]
29 777way : Shannon will have full traffic rights and is being marketed as a destination along with UK routes as UK & Ireland at the website.
30 himmat01 : Back in the 1990s before the rise of Emirates, almost all the Spanish tourists I met in Delhi used to fly to India on PK. I have seen huge groups of
31 777way : The largest tour group in the PK crash in Kathmandu was from Spain Leeds/Bradford being upgraded to 772 from mid March.[Edited 2013-02-04 10:46:21]
32 by738 : Presumably 777 to LBA due to withdrawal of A310's and not as a result of loads, going by recent CAA statistics. Would have been less surprised if it h
33 IAH59 : Shaheen Airline is also bring in Airbus 320 to there fleet.
34 777way : PK are now listing interline destinations in their bookings section, these are Vancouver, Calgary, Winnipeg, Ottawa, Montreal, Halifax, Los Angeles, H
35 IAH59 : Checked some prices on the website from Houston, Texas its still cheaper to take Qatar or Emirates vs PIA.
36 IAH59 : You only have Delta option as well from Houston I expected United though since Houston is there largest HUB.
37 777way : I dont know why they're showing SNN as a destination when it will only be a one way tech stop, maybe US immigration there makes it almost a destinati
38 777way : Chicago starts 5 June apparently once weekly 772 as KHI-LHE-BCN-ORD according to another board. PK are also interlining to ORD through United.[Edited
39 IAH59 : Good to know, They should do IAH with United as well. I wonder if there considering a start up back in Houston?
40 LH422 : I remember flying FRA-NYC on a PIA B742 in the eighties. Does anyone know about the history of this route? Was it the only U.S. route through FRA back
41 madviking : CPH was also used once a week to JFK with a 742 for a period. I believe Paris Orly was also a Trans-Atlantic stop. These were all due to the reciproc
42 777way : Yes JFK was their only US destination till 1997 when they started ORD and IAD. JFK was also linked to Amsterdam, Istanbul, Cairo and Damascus I think
43 LH422 : Thanks, then I got that right in my flight log...
44 AT : I flew KHI JFK several times in the 1990s and each time it seemed to be via a different city- Paris (Orly in those days), Frankfurt, Amsterdam. The A
45 777way : SNN not appearing for PIA June schedule atleast for now as reported by airlineroute which shows LHE-JFK one flight upped from 77L to 77W and still via
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