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Delta Applies For FLL-MEX Service  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25369 posts, RR: 49
Posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6467 times:

Delta Air Lines today applied with the DOT for authority to operate between Ft. Lauderdale and Mexico City.

Delta states if plans to offer daily service on the route commencing July 2013 utilizing 160-seat Boeing 737 aircraft.
However DL also request the flexibility depending on market demand to operate the service on a seasonal basis.


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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6424 times:

How long before JetBlue and Spirit apply to make it a competition?


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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6204 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6305 times:
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Didn´t AM served this route for a while? If I´m right, why did they stop?


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User currently offlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 902 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6171 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
However DL also request the flexibility depending on market demand to operate the service on a seasonal basis.

What would the high season be for South Florida-MEX?


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6028 times:

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 3):
Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
However DL also request the flexibility depending on market demand to operate the service on a seasonal basis.

What would the high season be for South Florida-MEX?

It's a consistently busy market, around 600 PDEW.

I guess high would be July/August and December-April, if anything.



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User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 966 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5989 times:
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It always surprises how little int'l service FLL gets (and yes I'm aware MIA is near by)

User currently offlineshadez From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5506 times:

What's Delta's rationale behind launching this route? Why will they fair better than AM did? Will this go the way of their FLL-SDQ route?

User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2865 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5469 times:

FLL: DL has been busy slashing service as the LCCs have been adding flights during recent years. This would certainly be the first new route added from FLL in a long time. Why would they do this now, when they have a weaker presence than ever before? Seems like mission better suited for AM...

MEX: DL has, as with most other Mexican markets both VFR and leisure, tried just about everything they can think of in the past 5 years or so. The only stuff that works? The established routes to strong hubs at ATL, JFK, and DTW. I don't see how FLL would fare any differently from the likes of SLC, MEM, MSP, MCO...

FLL-MEX is probably a viable route, but I would expect a Mexican carrier like AM, Y4, or 4O to do it, or perhaps an American LCC - NK has opted to serve Mexico City via TLC, but there is B6 and even FL/WN...



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5391 times:

A little surprised they picked FLL over MIA. When is the last time they expanded at FLL? At the same time it will be a bit less competition at FLL obviously.


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User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3042 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5243 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 1):
How long before JetBlue and Spirit apply to make it a competition?

I dont believe we will see Spirit applying, they're already flying FLL-TLC. Jetblue, WN/ FL may react or maybe Volaris will finally decide to launch the route.


User currently offlinenjdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5238 times:

Volaris sounds like a great addition for FLL, surprised it hasn't happened yet.


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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5239 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 7):

And, we'd jump right in and try it. (Once WN gets the International Certificate) then let the competiton in earnest begin.



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User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 779 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5222 times:

Could DL have done better with FLL-LHR vs MIA-LHR?

User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5169 times:

Quoting questions (Reply 12):

The slot was for MIA so I don't think they had a choice. As for doing better or not ehh probably not. For a flight like that the customer base is pretty much the same. Maybe they could get some traffic that would rather go PBI-ATL-LHR or something instead of driving to MIA. Since no national carrier from the states or Europe has tried FLL-Europe there has to be something up with the market. Maybe it would just be difficult to compete with the airlines at MIA.



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User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 938 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5091 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 5):
It always surprises how little int'l service FLL gets (and yes I'm aware MIA is near by)
Quoting flymia (Reply 13):
Since no national carrier from the states or Europe has tried FLL-Europe there has to be something up with the market.


I am not surprised at all. Almost nobody in Europe knows what or where Fort Lauderdale is and obviously everyone knows about Miami. Not much different in Latin America. Maybe for Port Everglades... but it is not a big deal to drive from there to MIA anyway... FLL is a huge US/Canada destination, but it is not internationally known.

I reckon the only way to market it for Europe would be calling it Miami-North "a la Ryanair". Even Spirit calls it "Miami, FL Area - Fort Lauderdale, FL (FLL)".


User currently offlineairportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3635 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5048 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 14):

Disagree. Many Europeans own property in Boca Raton & Palm Beach, which if landing in Miami, you have pass Ft Lauderdale on 95 to get to Boca. The amount of wealth up that way is astounding. On a recent boat trip I took up the Intercoastal, I counted at least 5-6 waterfront homes with Norwegian and Swedish flags out front.

Indeed, Lynn University attracts PLENTY of international students to boot. I've seen it firsthand.

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The European airlines go to Miami because they have more to gain by going there with regards to feed.



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4919 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 14):

So if FLL was called Miami/Ft. Lauderdale airport it would have a better chance for European service? FLL is 20 miles north of MIA. Many airports across the world which are the cities main international gateways are farther than that from the city center like IAD. I think MIA just has more to offer. FLL does rank in the top 20 in International passengers in the U.S. just weak on Europe. Condor could not make it work either.



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User currently offlineshadez From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4682 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 16):
Condor could not make it work either.

Condor will increase to 4x weekly this summer.


User currently offlinepvd757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3413 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4682 times:

Didn't NK have rights on this route a few years back? There was a flurry of Florida-Mexico applications when they changed the limits to 2 Mexico + 2 US flag carriers in the larger US-Mexico markets a few years ago.

User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4629 times:

Quoting questions (Reply 12):
ve done better with FLL-LHR vs MIA-LHR?

Doubt it. The market is just not there for them. They are better off flying them through ATL.



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User currently offlineJosh32121 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4516 times:

Some airlines (including DL, I think) used to list FLL flights under "Miami" with an airport identifier "F" for FLL and "M" for MIA similiar to listing LGA, JFK, and EWR flights together under "New York."

One issue with offering more international service from FLL besides the market economics is the fact that only T4 has FIS, and I believe it's pretty packed. DL's terminal at FLL does not have FIS, so I assume this MEX flight or any other would have to arrive at T4 and then be towed back to T2 for later departure.


User currently offlineSligo From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4504 times:

Is there any thread out there listing DL's off hub/focus city flying that is within North America?

User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4488 times:

Quoting shadez (Reply 6):
What's Delta's rationale behind launching this route?

No Kidding????? What is the point of this?? It adds nothing to Delta's overall franchise as a company.

Quoting flymia (Reply 8):
A little surprised they picked FLL over MIA. When is the last time they expanded at FLL?

Neither make sense and MIA makes even less sense

Quoting questions (Reply 12):
Could DL have done better with FLL-LHR vs MIA-LHR?

The award was for a market served by both AA and BA where no other carrier had service. Their choice was MIA or DFW.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17501 posts, RR: 45
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4442 times:

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 15):

The European airlines go to Miami because they have more to gain by going there with regards to feed.

They go to MIA because that's where the facilities and runways are big enough to consistently handle the traffic; there's not much feed to be had beyond MIA, even for oneworld carriers.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4365 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 23):
there's not much feed to be had beyond MIA, even for oneworld carriers.

You are kidding right?

AA feeds hoards of pax of its Caribbean and Central American flight on to its (and other OW carriers) LHR, MAD etc.

A few months ago I did LHR-MIA and standing at the luggage carosel and I saw bags tagged for onward travel to GCM, POS, MCO, LAX (yes can you believe that), LIM, MGA, TGU, SJO, MBJ, VVI, EYW, NAS and PAP....thats when I got my bag as I was going on to BZE.

In two weeks I am doing BZE-MIA-CTG....on a single ticket AA/AV (Y ticket: US$1400).....Yes, MIA has lots of O&D, but it also serves a very lucrative connecting market.



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25 MaverickM11 : Nope, of course AA feeds traffic but international-international connections present a few more obstacles than domestic-international or domestic-dom
26 yellowtail : Yes, but to say the MIA feed is is just not accurate.
27 Post contains links SCQ83 : I am not saying there are no Europeans in those areas (and certainly the likes of Palm Beach or Boca Raton are more appealing and known than Ft Laude
28 OB1504 : It would be interesting to see JetBlue on the route, since they seem to have managed to get Spirit to reduce FLL-KIN and FLL-NAS to seasonal routes.
29 Post contains images airportugal310 : I can't single out certain parts of your rebuttal since I on an iPad and it doesn't seem able to cope with selective copying on this site. But I'll s
30 yellowtail : What are the odds that DL is testing a SoFLa market in the hopes of setting up a focus city at MIA or FLL. We know that they long at AA with their gre
31 STT757 : With AA already at MIA and DL at FLL doesn't that make it two US carriers in the market to MEX? Are FLL/MIA considered the same market as EWR/JFK? On
32 bobloblaw : Well they failed bitterly with their LHR and intra-Florida flights from MIA. They can drool all they want, Invalids drool also.
33 mah4546 : DOT does not consider MIA/FLL as one. Back when CUN was still 2 carriers only, there was US, NK and AA.
34 Sligo : Where does DL-owned metal fly within North America that is not to/from BOS/LGA/JFK/DCA/ATL/SLC/MSP/DTW/LAX/MCO/CUN/MEM/CVG? Can they be counted on a h
35 Viscount724 : Why isn't US-Mexico Open Skies? Seems long overdue for two such close neighbors. Obviously it's not the US that's opposed to it considering their 100
36 santi319 : Because of bureaucracy, Mexico is a very corrupt country, sad really....
37 Polot : I doubt it is because of corruption, more likely for protectionist reasons. The American airlines probably would have crushed the Mexican ones, who h
38 santi319 : Exactly, because they are run by bureaucrats....
39 yellowtail : THat is far different that MIA-LatAm/Caribbean
40 adamh8297 : Are you looking at mainline aircraft only. If so you have: HNL-SFO/SEA Plus RDU-TPA/BDL/BWI (done by Pinnacle/Express Jet)
41 HVNandrew : For mainline, probably not much other than the HNL flights mentioned above. But DL owns a lot of their Connection metal, and there's still quite a fe
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