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Will SQ Resume Its Axed Flights?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9148 times:

SQ used to fly to YVR, YYZ, ORD, LAS etc. Will they resume service some day?

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User currently offlineely747 From Slovakia, joined Jan 2013, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8945 times:

YYZ or ORD are both extra long haul so I can't see them as being direct flights to SIN. They couldn't make EWR profitable although it was business class only service. >SQ might work out some interesting like they've seen on SIN-DME-IAH or SIN-FRA-JFK but then again it's all about the freedom rights. YVR is well positioned on US / Canada border and definitely has some potential there.

[Edited 2013-01-18 01:59:07]

User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8905 times:

SQ has went into codesharing with Virgin America, in order to cover the US better. Hence I see even less need than before for new US destinations. If SQ is to increase capacity anywhere in US, it will be to current destinations.  


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User currently offlineSligo From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8623 times:

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
SQ used to fly to YVR, YYZ, ORD, LAS etc. Will they resume service some day?

Fair question though. The move to long, thin routes and the new aircraft that would fly them was sold as a boon to the higher yielding airlines and SQ was thought to be at the front of the line for such benefits. Instead A345 services have disappointed and a load of 787s are being handed off to Scoot....and meanwhile SQ has increased mid-range, higher density via the 380.


User currently offlineolympic472 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8330 times:

Not in the foreseeable future.
The area of growth for SQ is Asia. They are focused on growing this market.



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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25332 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8016 times:

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
SQ used to fly to YVR, YYZ, ORD, LAS etc. Will they resume service some day?

SIN is a very small market to/from Canada and SIN is also too far south to serve as a good connecting hub for North America-Asia traffic, except for a few very small markets like Malaysia and Indonesia. When SQ previously served Canada they had to rely on low-yield, unprofitable 5th freedom traffic to fill their flights.


User currently offlinenrt1011 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7941 times:

I would love to think of YVR as a gateway to N.America for airlines such as SQ and TG. However it seems the reality is that NRT is fulfilling that role, it is easy for both those airlines to serve NRT and use subsequently utilize their Star Alliance partners into N.America (AC, UA, ANA etc.)

User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7556 times:

I believe ORD used to be a 772 that went to AMS and then on to SIN. ORD-AMS is pretty well served by a daily 747combi and a 763 (I think a 772 for a while) by UA. That was a pretty well served route at the time, I could see SQ's yields being horrible. In all honesty you will not see those 18 hour flights ever in even the remote near future. Even with more efficient planes that is just so long that you are still burning a ton of money just to fly fuel. I could only see SQ expanding to the states if they can pull off another IAH-DME, a high yielding niche route. I somehow thought they tried to start something new to the US via MXP but were denied the rights by the Italian govt, or maybe I am remembering this all wrong.
Once they get their 787s there could be more options, but I do not picture the golden swan heading to the US much more than it already is.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7309 times:

Why are they transferring the B787s to Scoot? It would have been a great plane for long haul routes with thinner capacity.

With the A350 wonder if they will bring back SIN-LAX/EWR.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
SIN is a very small market to/from Canada and SIN is also too far south to serve as a good connecting hub for North America-Asia traffic, except for a few very small markets like Malaysia and Indonesia. When SQ previously served Canada they had to rely on low-yield, unprofitable 5th freedom traffic to fill their flights.
Quoting nrt1011 (Reply 6):
I would love to think of YVR as a gateway to N.America for airlines such as SQ and TG. However it seems the reality is that NRT is fulfilling that role, it is easy for both those airlines to serve NRT and use subsequently utilize their Star Alliance partners into N.America (AC, UA, ANA etc.)
CX is doing very well on HKG-YVR. Wonder why SQ is not doing well at all on its YVR flights?

Wonder if they will bring back SIN-HKG-LAS or flights to
User currently offlineaquariusHKG From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2010, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7162 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 8):
CX is doing very well on HKG-YVR. Wonder why SQ is not doing well at all on its YVR flights?

I think much has to do with distance, SIN is about 3 hours further from YVR than HKG, CX has always flown the route nonstop vs SQ having to stop in North Asia (SEL/ICN in the past). Also CX does benefits from the huge Hong Konger's population in Vancouver. Also as mentioned above, HKG is much better positioned to serve as an Asian hub than SIN, with nearly all of SE Asia not requiring backtracking.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25388 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7125 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 8):
Why are they transferring the B787s to Scoot? It would have been a great plane for long haul routes with thinner capacity.

Because Scoot needs something smaller itself. A 400 seat 772 is too much. Management says a 787 provides Scoot significant per seat cost savings and is better sized for its future network.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 8):
CX is doing very well on HKG-YVR.

You realize CX has reduced YVR right?

Service is down to 14x weekly on the 77W, and now one flight does not offer F class either.

Also the company has publicaly said the following in recent times:
In Canada, revenue grew in 2011, but less than capacity. We added two flights a week to Toronto to make it a twice-daily service from May. Yields on the Vancouver route, particularly in economy class, fell as a result of increased competition.

Business on the Canada routes was affected by strong competition and there was a fall in yields."

So things are not rosy in YVR for CX.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 8):
Wonder why SQ is not doing well at all on its YVR flights?

Comparing CX and SQ is like and apples and orange.

CX has a large local market to YVR, along with geographic advantage for wide regional connections at its HKG hub, two important things that SQ fails to have.



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7045 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
Quoting United Airline (Reply 8):CX is doing very well on HKG-YVR.
You realize CX has reduced YVR right?

Service is down to 14x weekly on the 77W, and now one flight does not offer F class either.

Also the company has publicaly said the following in recent times:
In Canada, revenue grew in 2011, but less than capacity. We added two flights a week to Toronto to make it a twice-daily service from May. Yields on the Vancouver route, particularly in economy class, fell as a result of increased competition.

Business on the Canada routes was affected by strong competition and there was a fall in yields."

So things are not rosy in YVR for CX.

I believe CX is still doing well on HKG-YVR/YYZ. I know there are lots of compeitions.

I remember one of the flights was a B 747-400. So they downsized that flight to a B 777-300ER?

I remember they did 3 times daily at one point.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
Because Scoot needs something smaller itself. A 400 seat 772 is too much. Management says a 787 provides Scoot significant per seat cost savings and is better sized for its future network.

Can't they just order more?


User currently offlinekdonohue From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6943 times:

Before pulling out of Vancouver, SQ was on record saying they wanted to increase the number of flights to YVR taking advantage of Fifth Freedom between ICN and YVR, but apparently the Canadian government said no to the increased flights, so SQ decided it wasn't profitable to serve Vancouver with just three (or was it four) flights a week.

User currently onlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9371 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5795 times:

What's interesting to me is that Singapore isn't dropping Newark until November of this year.
And on top of that, they've just launched a fresh round of advertising targeting executives, business, and financial professionals in the New York City area. I don't want to start rumors or speculaiton, but it's a helluva chunk of change for a service that's going to be gone in 10 months.



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User currently offlineinfinit From Singapore, joined Jul 2008, 569 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5507 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 13):
What's interesting to me is that Singapore isn't dropping Newark until November of this year.
And on top of that, they've just launched a fresh round of advertising targeting executives, business, and financial professionals in the New York City area. I don't want to start rumors or speculaiton, but it's a helluva chunk of change for a service that's going to be gone in 10 months.

Interesting that they've been Advertising that way there. My hunch is that they've got something planned for both EWR and LAX

Quoting United Airline (Reply 8):
Wonder why SQ is not doing well at all on its YVR flights?

Hong Kong is in North Asia and Singapore is in Southeast Asia, a state in the Malayan region.
Beyond geography, Canada has strong ethnic links with HK but for Singaporeans, Canada is a distant country with next to no ethnic ties and hardly any business ties.

And in terms of a future strategy, CX will ride on growing affluence and travel from Mainland Chinese and Taiwan.

SQ's growth will be more focused on India comparatively. And of course the economic boom in Southeast Asia- the 10 member ASEAN countries. Singapore was a founding member of ASEAN and since then trade within the region has boomed. There is a big affluent crust and a growing middle class in the region who will -only- fly SQ, it's a status symbol. Indonesia- the superpower of the region expected to grow into becoming the 7th largest economy in 15 years from now, has always been a cashcow for SQ and will continue to be. CGK is a 1hr flight but SQ still offers a 3-class configuration on it because there are just so many wealthy Indonesians who would pay S$2,000 (about US$1,700) just to fly SQ F. Vietnam, Myanmar and Thailand all represent growth potentional for SQ too. Malaysia is our hinterland and of course our largest export partner since we separated from them in 1965 but little growth there compared to the rest of ASEAN.

Australia too has always been a cashcow for them to and will continue to be. Apart from business links and 6th freedom traffic, Australia and Sinagapore have close ethnic ties too, many Australians have moved here and many Singaporeans have moved there. They're so relate-able that we tend to consider them a part of Asia. MI recently added Darwin, a 3hour flight away. TZ will definitely add another flight to Sydney in time to come- they already fly tthere and the Gold Coast. I won't be surprised if SQ mainline will add another Australia flight or twoonce they get their A350s


User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5450 times:

Does SQ have the rights to operate any other U.S.-ICN flights? EWR-ICN is a currently unserved route and might work well with all the Koreans in NJ. Knowing SQ of course, they'll operate a flight between two *A hubs without connecting to UA or OZ flights at either end...

User currently offlinenrt1011 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5408 times:

Apparently the biggest growth into Sydney for 2012 was from Singapore and Malaysia

User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5360 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 8):
CX is doing very well on HKG-YVR. Wonder why SQ is not doing well at all on its YVR flights?

HKG is a better transfer hub for mainland China and Taiwan because of the location, visa requirement and also culture and branding issues.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5337 times:

Why doesn't SQ do SIN-JFK instead?

So SQ will pull out of EWR after so many years?


User currently offlineinfinit From Singapore, joined Jul 2008, 569 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 4710 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 18):
Why doesn't SQ do SIN-JFK instead?

So SQ will pull out of EWR after so many years?

It's anyone's guess now. Not an expert on the dynamics of US routes but I always wondered why they didn't centre their operations on either EWR or JFK rather than operating from both.. duplicating staff costs etc


User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 17 hours ago) and read 4596 times:

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 15):
Does SQ have the rights to operate any other U.S.-ICN flights?

SQ currently does a daily SIN-ICN-SFO flight with a 777-312ER.



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 16 hours ago) and read 4535 times:

Quoting infinit (Reply 14):
Hong Kong is in North Asia and Singapore is in Southeast Asia, a state in the Malayan region.
Beyond geography, Canada has strong ethnic links with HK but for Singaporeans, Canada is a distant country with next to no ethnic ties and hardly any business ties.
Quoting justinlee (Reply 17):
KG is a better transfer hub for mainland China and Taiwan because of the location, visa requirement and also culture and branding issues.

Yes there are LOTS of Hong Kong people in Vancouver. LOTS. Hongcouver........

But both Singapore and Canada are in the commonwealth. There must be some ties.


User currently offlineLO231 From Belgium, joined Sep 2004, 2392 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 4368 times:

I wish they'd come back to BRU as TG did. We only get SQ cargo flight, though being it a SQ, one would get a bettervservice and food, even sent as a human cargo.

LOL. Some airlines treat you like cargo and nuisance anyway, so...  



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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25332 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4005 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 21):
But both Singapore and Canada are in the commonwealth. There must be some ties.

Very few, and certainly not enough to generate enough O&D passengers to justify direct service.

Over the past 20 years, immigration from Singapore to Canada has averaged roughly 300 a year. In 2010 there were almost 37,000 immigrants from the Philippines and over 30,000 each from India and China (including HKG), the 3 largest sources of immigrants.


User currently offlineaviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1486 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3880 times:

I gather that rumours of a Singapore-Milan-New York (whether it is JFK or EWR) keeps gaining traction. A year ago, there was also whisper of a Singapore-Taipei-New York service.

Ties between Singapore and Canada is extremely cordial and wide-ranging. The Canadian government's website indicated that Singapore is Canada's third largest export market in the 10-member ASEAN region. People to people ties are also good but it is no secret that aviation ties is where things get somewhat acidic. But over time and after changes at the top in the aviation industry in both countries, perhaps the wound has healed somewhat. It would be really nice to see direct flights between Singapore and Canada.

KC Sim


25 IrishAyes : Unfortunately, times have changed an economic conditions have warranted an enhanced focus on chasing yields and profitability and not sustaining "glam
26 DolphinAir747 : I know, but do they only have the rights for that route or for any U.S.-Korea route, like EWR-ICN?
27 TWA772LR : How about SQ serving the US mainland from Guam or New Zealand? Guam would have less of a chance because of UA, but there will have to be a GUM-Mainlan
28 mah4546 : It's illegal for a foreign airline to fly a domestic route. Nevermind the fact that there is barely enough demand from GUM to the mainland to support
29 TWA772LR : Sorry, I didn't know that. Would that also include flying transborder, pre-clearance flights to the US from Canada? I think the next Asia route from
30 steex : No it wouldn't, USA-Canada is still international - where one clears customs has nothing to do with it.
31 LAXintl : Both NW and JL tried LAS-Tokyo without much success. Considering the Japan-US market is on an overall decline, I dont see the viability for such. Also
32 Viscount724 : For a foreign carrier to be able to carry passenges on Canada-US transborder routes (as a continuation of a flight to/from their home country) depend
33 kdonohue : VISCOUNT 724 - Unless I'm overlooking something I believe CX YVR-JFK is now the only transborder 5th freedom operation, since PR ended their YVR-LAS t
34 United Airline : Why did it fail?
35 steex : I would assume because it's a very long flight that doesn't have very good yield. While there is probably a bit of casino-related business traffic tr
36 LAXintl : Per Vegas news article at the time "Low load factors and insufficient premium demand made Las Vegas challanging. SIA given its strong focus on the top
37 United Airline : Do they still fly SIN-TPE-LAX? Guess not? Will this come back anytime soon? Perhaps they should restart SIN-HKG-TPE altogether so that we can go to LA
38 ZK-NBT : Dropped in 2008. They may opt to add an additional LAX flight when they drop the SIN-LAX non stop service laster this year, they have 8 77Ws to be de
39 United Airline : They dropped HKG-TPE after the SARS. This route was meant for people to transit through TPE to LAX right? Wonder if they will resume this flight
40 anrec80 : It's not illegal per se. QF operates a flight between LAX and JFK, though you can't buy a ticket on it just between JFK and LAX - you must travel to
41 TWA772LR : Were you allowed off the airplane or did you have to remain seated? Did the Canadian passengers who boarded in YVR have to clear customs in JFK with
42 Viscount724 : Passengers boarding in YVR clear customs on arrival at JFK. If they used pre-clearance all the through passenges HKG-JFK would have to deplane and al
43 anrec80 : I was boarding in YVR. They locked the gate area for use of the passengers that were on the plane from HKG to JFK - there were like 30 of them from a
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