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Peoria Back On Top In Central Illinois!  
User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 418 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2449 times:

Bloomington-Normal, IL's Central Illinois Regional Airport (CIRA) saw a 16 percent drop in traffic during 2012:

http://www.pantagraph.com/business/l...0-5c5c-11e2-8fa7-0019bb2963f4.html

Overall data released by the airport Friday show a total of 485,285 passengers flew in and out of CIRA last year, compared to 579,265 in 2011.

Indications are that airlines cut capacity far more than demand, so CIRA officials are pleased that F9 has upgraded 4-weekly BMI-DEN flights with the larger 319 replacing an E90 o Jan. 7. Also, DL itself puts a 319 on one BMI-ATL roundtrip eff. Mar. 2-3 in place of a DL Connection RJ (a CR9 I believe).

CIRA is also hoping to persuade an airline to use recently-awared $500,000 SCASD funds to start service to NYC or WAS area airports.

General Wayne A. Downing Peoria International Airport (PIA) experienced a 13 percent increase in passengers during 2012.

http://www.pjstar.com/news/x19269101...ort-sets-passenger-record-for-2012

During 2012, the Gen. Wayne A. Downing Peoria International Airport hit a new
record for passengers, with 580,530 people arriving or departing during the
year.


The increase is attributed to CIRA losing AirTran Airways on June 2 and DL resuming 3x daily PIA-ATL roundtrips on April 9. Certainly UA's doubling PIA-DEN on June 2 and G4 adding 2-weekly PIA-PGD on June 28 helped as well. Airport officials are hoping for Caribbean and Mexico flights.

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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4976 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

Having grown up near PIA it's nice to hear some good news on the pax front. Getting ATL back was a definite plus!


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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1583 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2339 times:
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Quoting FlyPeoria (Thread starter):
Also, DL itself puts a 319 on one BMI-ATL roundtrip eff. Mar. 2-3 in place of a DL Connection RJ (a CR9 I believe).

Why are they doing that?


User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 732 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

I havennt been to PIA since before ground was broken on the new terminal. Before that I was going to PIA much too often on business. The old terminal was dreadful and the airline service was worse.

However, I do have business contacts back there and they are still hoping, and thinking, that maybe, perhaps, there will be nonstop service to the DC area. The bigger pipe dream is nonstop PIA-EWR. My contacts have told me that the new terminal is really nice.

I do think that the new Marriott hotel project downtown PIA has the potential to increase traffic through PIA.

We shall see what we shall see.


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1583 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2324 times:
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Quoting FlyPeoria (Thread starter):
DL itself puts a 319 on one BMI-ATL roundtrip eff. Mar. 2-3 in place of a DL Connection RJ (a CR9 I believe).

Im sorry, I thought there was just a substitution on that day. I see it is a "permanent" replacement. This is consistent with DL's new strategy. BMI will probably be a 717 station for DL in 2 years.


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1583 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2306 times:
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""“Our traffic isn’t down because there wasn’t enough of a market; it’s down because there aren’t enough seats to sell.”""

mmm....not really. BMI depended very much on poaching trafficfrom PIA, CMI and SPI, Now the relationship between PIA and BMI had been rebalanced.


User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2230 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 4):
Im sorry, I thought there was just a substitution on that day. I see it is a "permanent" replacement. This is consistent with DL's new strategy. BMI will probably be a 717 station for DL in 2 years.

It would not surprise me if DL ran 3x daily 717 BMI-ATL, or maybe 2x 717 and a CR7. Kind of ironic if this happens because the lost FL birds will show up again in another airline's colors.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 5):
""“Our traffic isn’t down because there wasn’t enough of a market; it’s down because there aren’t enough seats to sell.”""

mmm....not really. BMI depended very much on poaching trafficfrom PIA, CMI and SPI, Now the relationship between PIA and BMI had been rebalanced.

Both are true to some extent, but DL may have underestimated demand after FL's pull out. And it is good to see F9 upgage its BMI-DEN route with bigger planes.


User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2213 times:

Quoting IADLHR (Reply 3):
I havennt been to PIA since before ground was broken on the new terminal. Before that I was going to PIA much too often on business. The old terminal was dreadful and the airline service was worse.

However, I do have business contacts back there and they are still hoping, and thinking, that maybe, perhaps, there will be nonstop service to the DC area. The bigger pipe dream is nonstop PIA-EWR. My contacts have told me that the new terminal is really nice.

I do think that the new Marriott hotel project downtown PIA has the potential to increase traffic through PIA.

We shall see what we shall see.

PIA's new terminal is nice indeed. After a January 2011 open house in which I toured the new terminal, I made the mistake of walking into the old one. All I can say is, I was thoroughly embarrassed for Peoria 

http://peoriastation.blogpeoria.com/2011/01/08/the-new-terminal/

PIA-IAD might make more sense than BMI/CMI-IAD given Caterpillar-generated trips to DC. And even though BMI and CMI got SCASD funds for some east coast routes, I wouldn't be surprised if nothing came of it.


User currently offlineMLI717fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2170 times:

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 7):
PIA-IAD might make more sense than BMI/CMI-IAD given Caterpillar-generated trips to DC. And even though BMI and CMI got SCASD funds for some east coast routes, I wouldn't be surprised if nothing came of it.

Huge waste of money, IMO. In central Illinois, I think only PIA has a prayer of being able to support routes like that. Much larger stations like MLI, CID don't have that service. SPI... that's a joke. They even had to subsidize service to DFW. BMI maybe could pull it off if they had good connecting opportunities and the fares were low, which they probably wouldn't be. In today's market, a connection in ORD or DTW is the best thing you're going to get from any airport with under a million passengers per year.

The DL mainline flights are only available for a few months, then it goes back to 3x CR9/7/J. By the time everything shakes out, I think we can expect BMI to be down 30-35% due to FL's departure. PIA will certainly pick up some of the traffic, but the unfortunate thing is a lot of these people are just going to drive up or down I-55 and catch a flight at MDW, ORD, STL.


User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2152 times:

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 8):
The DL mainline flights are only available for a few months, then it goes back to 3x CR9/7/J

I checked Delta's online schedules and the 319 is there into September.


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1583 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1996 times:
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I really wanted to see PIA-IAH but UA seems to be pulling down Midwest service to IAH. GRR is down from 2 to 1 flight and CID is losing all service.

User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3704 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1973 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 10):

I really wanted to see PIA-IAH but UA seems to be pulling down Midwest service to IAH. GRR is down from 2 to 1 flight and CID is losing all service.

Blame it on UA cutting back at IAH in response to the WN int'l ops at HOU and because they are rebuilding at DEN.



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User currently offlineMLI717fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1941 times:

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 9):
I checked Delta's online schedules and the 319 is there into September.

Oh wow, last time I checked, it was gone some time in July. At one point DL had it scheduled at 3x CRJ (yes- 50 seaters), apparently they decided that was a bad idea, or it was a mistake. A DL A319 holds 126 passengers (according to seatguru.com) which is approximately 2 DL Connection CR7s, so overall capacity should be similar to what it was last summer at BMI, with one fewer flight. When FL flew the route, DL was flying BMI-ATL with 5x daily CR7s, almost immediately after FL pulled out they dropped it to 4x CR7/9. DL is charging quite a premium on PIA-ATL compared to BMI-ATL.

Speaking of Low Fare Carriers, G4 average LF & total departing Passengers carried in Illinois airports through September 2012:
BMI: 86.67% 5,228 (Service began 5/2012)
MLI: 90.39% 45,973
PIA: 90.69% 54,318
RFD: 92.40% 60,997
*SPI & BLV did not yet have G4 service as of the report.

(Source: Transtats Data Elements)


User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2269 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

Definitely a rebalancing after the FL pullout from BMI. Plus G4 has added PGD and DL brought ATL back to PIA so that helps, as well as they now have a beautiful sparkling new terminal. PIA/BMI reminds me alot of CID/MLI, there are similar parallels there. CID also has picked up alot of traffic since FL left MLI (CID gained F9 and that certainly was a boost as well as getting DL ATL flights back).

On the plus side for BMI its good that they somewhat replaced FL with F9 with their DEN/MCO flights and DL ramining strong with larger jets to ATL.

The one thing that puzzles me is that G4 serves PIA with PIE/PGD/LAS/AZA and serves BMI with SFB only, going up against F9 to MCO. Im surprised G4 doesnt just shift SFB back to PIA and focus on having one central Illinois station. Are there that many more people going from BMI to Orlando than there is from Peoria?

[Edited 2013-01-18 15:43:00]

User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2269 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 10):
I really wanted to see PIA-IAH but UA seems to be pulling down Midwest service to IAH. GRR is down from 2 to 1 flight and CID is losing all service.

I was really hoping to see UA open IAH more up to the midwest as well. I was excited when they started IAH-CID and thought it would be a hit as UA is very strong here and also in cities like PIA/MLI etc and finally they were going to have a southern hub to utilize like DFW has with AA and ATL with DL as they have excellent ties with midwestern markets. But unfortunately thats not going to be the case as you pointed out UA seems to be retrenching from IAH at least in this region of the country. I dont think UA tried hard enough personally to make it work. DFW and ATL do gangbusters, its a mystery why IAH couldnt do the same.


User currently offlinebeechtobus From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1795 times:

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 14):

"I was really hoping to see UA open IAH more up to the midwest as well. I was excited when they started IAH-CID and thought it would be a hit as UA is very strong here and also in cities like PIA/MLI etc and finally they were going to have a southern hub to utilize like DFW has with AA and ATL with DL as they have excellent ties with midwestern markets. But unfortunately thats not going to be the case as you pointed out UA seems to be retrenching from IAH at least in this region of the country. I dont think UA tried hard enough personally to make it work. DFW and ATL do gangbusters, its a mystery why IAH couldnt do the same."

I'm guessing that CID-IAH didn't work and other mid to upper Midwest-IAH service isn't building merely because of geography. Not sure what o and d number from this part of the country to Houston is but im guessing not enough to support mulitple fights to multiple smaller cities in Iowa, Illinois, Missouri, Minneasota, etc. Also Houston is not very effective as a connection point unless one is going to points in southern Texas or Mexico/central/south America, which again, probably isn't a heck of a lot of people. Not very efficient flying 2-3 hours straight south then generally northeast or northwest to get to domestic destinations. I'm sure Denver, Chicago, Atlanta, DFW, etc are ample places to connect through for this area.

[Edited 2013-01-18 16:36:23]

User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1656 times:

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 13):
The one thing that puzzles me is that G4 serves PIA with PIE/PGD/LAS/AZA and serves BMI with SFB only, going up against F9 to MCO. Im surprised G4 doesnt just shift SFB back to PIA and focus on having one central Illinois station. Are there that many more people going from BMI to Orlando than there is from Peoria?

Me too. Had G4 known F9 was going to start 3-weekly BMI-MCO, they might well have resumed PIA-SFB instead (3rd time's the charm, right?). Thing is, when G4 first flew PIA-SFB in 2005, there were four weekly roundtrips (AirTran had resumed BMI-MCO in 2004, IIRC). When service returned in 2007-2008, there were two roundtrips a week.

Of course, G4 started PIA-PGD on June 28 and SPI-PGD on November 6. Both are twice-weekly for the most part.

I see from MLI717's post that G4's CIRA load factor is below 90%.Obviously, it's because of F9's MCO flights. IMHO, G4 should consider shifting its SFB flights to PIA.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15692 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1644 times:

Quoting FlyPeoria (Thread starter):
Bloomington-Normal, IL's Central Illinois Regional Airport (CIRA) saw a 16 percent drop in traffic during 2012:

That's better than I would expect them to do with the AirTran pullout.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 4):
BMI will probably be a 717 station for DL in 2 years.

I'd put money on that.

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 8):
Huge waste of money, IMO. In central Illinois, I think only PIA has a prayer of being able to support routes like that.

I don't think the east coast routes will ever go anywhere in the foreseeable future. Too small of a market and other traffic can connect too easily elsewhere.



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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4929 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1633 times:

Back in the 70's CMI had a non-stop to DCA with OZ. Maybe BMI could do the same?

Anyone have any photos of the old terminal?



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User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1593 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 18):
Anyone have any photos of the old terminal?

I believe is it. probably still houses FAA offices.

http://goo.gl/maps/fsoV3

While we're at it, the current terminal, which opened in September 1989.

http://goo.gl/maps/pIuVT


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4976 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1523 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 18):


Back in the 70's CMI had a non-stop to DCA with OZ. Maybe BMI could do the same?

Minor correction, it was PIA-CMI-IAD-LGA with IAD later replaced by BWI. Flew the PIA-CMI-IAD section many times to visit relatives in Northern Virginia.



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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1583 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1452 times:
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Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 20):
Minor correction, it was PIA-CMI-IAD-LGA with IAD later replaced by BWI. Flew the PIA-CMI-IAD section many times to visit relatives in Northern Virginia.

Was DCA ever a stop.

I actually think the routing was:
DEN-SUX-PIA-CMI-IAD-LGA


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1583 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1447 times:
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IAD must have been the airport new entrants to the DC area had to serve during regulation. Southern Airways also flew IAD-LGA on a VPS-DHN-CGS-IAD-LGA routing with DC-9-10.

User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1379 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 22):
Was DCA ever a stop.

I actually think the routing was:
DEN-SUX-PIA-CMI-IAD-LGA

Routings changed somewhat during those years these flights were operated (1969-1981). Flight itineraries at the start of Ozark's East Coast service (April 27, 1969) were:

EASTBOUND
Flt# 906 ALO-CID-MLI-PIA-LGA
Flt# 908 FSD-SUX-DSM-PIA-IAD=LGA
Flt# 970 ALO-CID-MLI-CMI-IAD-LGA

WESTBOUND
Flt# 907 LGA-IAD-PIA-DSM-SUX-FSD
Flt# 909 LGA-IAD-CMI-MLI-CID-ALO
Flt# 971 LGA-PIA-MLI-CID-ALO

Sometime later, probably in 1971, nonstop PIA-LGA was gone with IAD added as a stop on all flights (though PIA had one eastbound-only nonstop to IAD. Ozark's October 31, 1971 timetable shows:

EASTBOUND
Flt# 906 SPI-PIA-CMI-IAD-LGA
Flt# 908 SUX-FSD-ALO-CMI-IAD-LGA
Flt# 970 MLI-PIA-IAD-LGA

WESTBOUND
Flt# 907 LGA-IAD-CMI-PIA-FSD-SUX
Flt# 909 LGA-IAD-CMI-MLI-ALO
Flt# 971 LGA-IAD-CMI-PIA-SPI

Not sure when (possibly after the 1973 strike), but East Coast service was cut to two roundtrips. Ozark's July 1, 1974 timetable also shows some route simplification:

EASTBOUND
Flt# 908 SPI-PIA-CMI-IAD-LGA
Flt# 970 PIA-CMI-IAD-LGA

WESTBOUND
Flt# 909 LGA-IAD-CMI-PIA-SPI
Flt# 971 LGA-IAD-CMI-PIA

Through service to Denver started on April 1, 1975. Note one IAD routing that did not go to LGA. Also note nonstop CMI-LGA service at this time.

EASTBOUND
Flt# 531 LGA-IAD-CMI-PIA-SUX-DEN
Flt# 909 IAD-CMI-PIA-SPI
Flt# 971 LGA-CMI-PIA

WESTBOUND
Flt# 528 DEN-SUX-PIA-CMI-LGA
Flt# 906 PIA-CMI-IAD-LGA
Flt# 970 SPI-PIA-CMI-IAD

Ozark's September 1, 1975 timetable shows LGA-IAD-CMI-PIA-SUX-DEN and LGA-IAD-CMI-PIA-SPI roundtrips. Schedules stayed this way until Ozark's 1979 strike. Effective November 15, 1979, East Coast schedules serving central Illinois looked like this:

Flt# 531 LGA-BWI-CMI-PIA-SUX-DEN
Flt# 528 DEN-SUX-PIA-CMI-BWI-LGA

On April 27, 1980, ALO replaced SUX. A week later, Ozark was shutdown by another strike. By July 1, 1980 Ozark had restored full service and Central Illinois' East Coast offerings expanded.

Flt# 528 DEN-ALO-PIA-CMI-BWI-LGA
Flt# 531 LGA-BWI-CMI-PIA-ALO-DEN
Flt# 906 MLI-PIA-LGA
Flt# 971 LGA-PIA-MLI-DSM

By fall 1980, Flt #'s 906 and 971 were also stopping at BWI. Beginning March 15, 1981, schedules looked like this:

Flt# 568 DEN-STL-PIA-CMI-BWI-LGA
Flt# 569 LGA-BWI-CMI-PIA-STL-DEN

Routings stayed the same until suspended in August 1981 as a consequence of the PATCO strike. Ozark did operate PIA-STL-LGA in both directions between December 1, 1981 and July 31, 1982.


User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4929 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1324 times:

Thanks for the correction. I was in the CMI terminal when I saw the flight on the departure board. I noticed that CMI had a mix of DC-9's and FH-227's going in there.


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User currently offlinekbmiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1326 times:

Any word on how the PIA-ATL flights are doing. I am a little surprised to still see them as CR2's, thought they might get at least one up to a CR7.

BMI is probably doing better than expected after FL's pullout. The A319 from DL is nice, but DL used to have 5x daily CR7 service to ATL, so we really haven't gained much there. I think in March we will be 1x 319, 1x CR7, and 1x CR9.

The Frontier flight BMI-DEN is doing really well, it would be great to see it go daily but I don't think F9 has the planes. The schedule is also a little strange in that the Wednesday flight is morning but all of the others are evening flights.

I am not sure how G4 and F9 are doing in the battle for Orlando. I know many folks fly down on one and fly back on the other. G4 being at SFB instead of MCO i think does hurt them some. I agree with others that G4 may eventually move all operations back to PIA, especially if they start up international flight someday in PIA.

It will also be interesting to see if AA/AE can get more capacity to any of the central Illinois airport as they emerge from bankruptcy. BMI has been 3x ORD and 1x DFW for a while (they occasionally go 4x ORD, but they haven't for a long time). I think PIA lost their RON AE flight to ORD, but they seem to be keeping 3x DFW for now. Both Caterpillar and State Farm have big operations in the Dallas area, so I think the area can support more flights to DFW, or a bigger plane if AA ever gets to use CR7's to regional airports instead of routes like ORD-ATL. The number one thing on the wish list for me is an early morning BMI-DFW, with a late night return.


User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1233 times:

Quoting kbmiflyer (Reply 25):
Any word on how the PIA-ATL flights are doing. I am a little surprised to still see them as CR2's, thought they might get at least one up to a CR7.

The Peoria article says ATL became the No. 5 destination from PIA in 2012 even though it had operated for slightly less than nine months of the year. That isn't as great as PIA officials would like us to believe. PIA offered DL revenue guarantees to restore the service but I'd bet the airline made the decision to bring it back because FL announced it was dropping BMI. And traffic is probably sufficient that flights don't need revenue guarantees. The potential is there anyway.

I remember back in the early days of this service (started 8/1/01) that flights were running full or nearly full. Then came 9/11, but traffic recovered, and DL briefly offered a 4th ATL-PIA roundtrip in 2005. Trouble for PIA started when DL began BMI-ATL on 12/1/05.

Quoting kbmiflyer (Reply 25):
The Frontier flight BMI-DEN is doing really well, it would be great to see it go daily but I don't think F9 has the planes. The schedule is also a little strange in that the Wednesday flight is morning but all of the others are evening flights.

F9 seems to be de-hubbing DEN and converting it into something of a destination city for leisure travelers. That may keep the BMI-DEN route at 4-weekly flights for now.

Quoting kbmiflyer (Reply 25):
I am not sure how G4 and F9 are doing in the battle for Orlando. I know many folks fly down on one and fly back on the other. G4 being at SFB instead of MCO i think does hurt them some. I agree with others that G4 may eventually move all operations back to PIA, especially if they start up international flight someday in PIA.

G4's presence at BMI probably depends on whatever agreements they've made with BMI's airport authority. If they signed a lease for, say one year, they could shift SFB flights to PIA come May 2013. I wonder, though, if flying PIA-SFB would really make a difference...

Quoting kbmiflyer (Reply 25):
It will also be interesting to see if AA/AE can get more capacity to any of the central Illinois airport as they emerge from bankruptcy. BMI has been 3x ORD and 1x DFW for a while (they occasionally go 4x ORD, but they haven't for a long time). I think PIA lost their RON AE flight to ORD, but they seem to be keeping 3x DFW for now. Both Caterpillar and State Farm have big operations in the Dallas area, so I think the area can support more flights to DFW, or a bigger plane if AA ever gets to use CR7's to regional airports instead of routes like ORD-ATL. The number one thing on the wish list for me is an early morning BMI-DFW, with a late night return.

I think AA (Connection actually) had a 4th PIA-ORD this past summer season, but they're only 3x daily now.

PIA has the big advantage with Caterpillar and its near tripling in size the past decade ($23B sales in 2003 vs. an est. $66B in 2012). DFW is excellent for biz travel between PIA and Waco mfg. and distribution center, former Bucyrus drill plant at Denison, TX, engine plant at Seguin (near San Antonio), new (2012) Victoria excavator plant, the former Bucyrus truck plant at Cuidad Acuna (across from Del Rio, TX), other Caterpillar mfg. and distribution operations in the Monterrey, MX area and also Panama offices. Visits with dealers, customers and suppliers mean flying via DFW.

Same for ATL. There are several major mfg facilities in GA, SC and NC, and a small tractor and mini-excavator plant under construction at Athens, GA. Plus, ATL is also good for connections to Miami offices and to Brazil.


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1583 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1183 times:
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Does anyone know how many international passengers used RFD in 2012? I know PIA wants to copy RDF, but Im skeptical. RFD is a much larger catchment area around it than PIA does. MSN is close by and Kane County is close too. I think PIA would be lucky to get 1/2 the international leisure traffic RFD does.

User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1168 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 27):
Does anyone know how many international passengers used RFD in 2012? I know PIA wants to copy RDF, but Im skeptical. RFD is a much larger catchment area around it than PIA does. MSN is close by and Kane County is close too. I think PIA would be lucky to get 1/2 the international leisure traffic RFD does.

Peoria is more affluent than Rockford, and could draw from the central Illinois region. I'd say Caterpillar employees alone could support winter season, Saturday-only nonstops to Cancun. Especially if advertised in Bloomington-Normal, Champaign-Urbana, Decatur and Springfield areas.


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