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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3082 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 13089 times:

How about a little hockey charter thread to take our mind off the new AA livery?

After some delay, the NHL season finally starts tomorrow!

Got only a few confirmed so post up what you know.




Carolina Hurricanes --- ACA 7033 or 7034

Chicago Blackhawks --- SWQ 737 or 801 or 802

Columbus Blue Jackets --- private DC93 N697BJ

Detroit Red Wings --- private MD81 N682RW

New York Rangers --- private 737 N37NY (blocked from tracking)

Ottawa Senators --- ACA 7047 or 7048

Phoenix Coyotes --- private 727 N698SS (blocked from tracking)

Pittsburgh Penguins --- BSK 392

San Jose Sharks --- Fry's Electronics 727 N724YS or 747SP N747A (both blocked)

Washington Capitals --- ACA 7021 or 7022


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7595 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 13100 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Thread starter):
Phoenix Coyotes --- private 727 N698SS (blocked from tracking)

Their 727 is always visible at cutter with their howling coyote logo on the tail, and usually returns in the afternoon the day after the game but may come back late tomorrow night because of the home game Sunday. I've only seen it land twice, out of pure luck of the draw. Sucks that we can't track it.



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3082 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13050 times:

I read where Tom Hicks is no longer operating N757SS so not sure what the Dallas Stars will be using this year.

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User currently offlinen801dm From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 103 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13005 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 2):

I read where Tom Hicks is no longer operating N757SS so not sure what the Dallas Stars will be using this year.

Dallas Stars are flying for second season on MLW Air 767. Flight track SWQ767



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User currently offlineStackhouse007 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 420 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12942 times:
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Just curious, why would Carolina, Ottawa, and Washington all use Air Canada?


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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12808 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Thread starter):
Carolina Hurricanes --- ACA 7033 or 7034

Chicago Blackhawks --- SWQ 737 or 801 or 802

Columbus Blue Jackets --- private DC93 N697BJ

Detroit Red Wings --- private MD81 N682RW

New York Rangers --- private 737 N37NY (blocked from tracking)

Ottawa Senators --- ACA 7047 or 7048

Phoenix Coyotes --- private 727 N698SS (blocked from tracking)

Pittsburgh Penguins --- BSK 392

San Jose Sharks --- Fry's Electronics 727 N724YS or 747SP N747A (both blocked)

Washington Capitals --- ACA 7021 or 7022

Are you sure about San Jose flying on a 747SP?
Too bad the Redwings don't have the MD-81 painted up with logos like the old DC-9-50, new MD-81 looks kind of generic and I assume it too is blocked from tracking.

I didn't think any of the teams still had their 727s - thought I heard Phoenix got rid of theirs too.

I think a lot of NHL teams still charter Delta too. I know when Tigers are in post season and Redwings are starting their season while Tigers are away and Redwings need to travel they end up using Delta (used to use Northwest) and vice versa in spring when Redwings are away on post season and Tigers need a plane.


User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25372 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12788 times:

Quoting Stackhouse007 (Reply 4):
Just curious, why would Carolina, Ottawa, and Washington all use Air Canada?

Why not? Probably a combination of price and service. AC has years of experience in that market with their dedicated AC Jetz fleet.


User currently offlinen53614 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12770 times:

Fry's 747SP is (and has been) the backup jet for the Sharks. I heard that if the Sharks make it to the Stanley Cup Finals, they'll use the SP.

I hope to catch some NHL charters at SJC this year, especially the Coyotes 727.



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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3082 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12724 times:

Got a few more.....

Anaheim Ducks --- ACA 7019 or 7020

Colorado Avalanche --- ACA 7015 or 7016

Dallas Stars --- SWQ 767

Toronto Maple Leafs --- ACA 7045 or 7046

Quoting Stackhouse007 (Reply 4):
Just curious, why would Carolina, Ottawa, and Washington all use Air Canada?

All Canadian teams should be on AC Jetz, now add Colorado and Anaheim Ducks to the mix.
Last year, NJ Devils and LA Kings also on AC.

Quoting n801dm (Reply 3):
Dallas Stars are flying for second season on MLW Air 767. Flight track SWQ767

Thanks!

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 5):
I think a lot of NHL teams still charter Delta too.

Only ones I could find last year was the Ducks and Flyers, now looks like Ducks on AC,
not sure about Philly.



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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4237 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12633 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Thread starter):
Detroit Red Wings --- private MD81 N682RW

It is owned by Olympia, is that not the holding company of the Red Wings or the company who runs the Joe?

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 8):
Colorado Avalanche --- ACA 7015 or 7016

I don't think that that's right.



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User currently offlinetjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2446 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12603 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 5):
Too bad the Redwings don't have the MD-81 painted up with logos like the old DC-9-50, new MD-81 looks kind of generic and I assume it too is blocked from tracking.

Nope- not blocked

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N682RW



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7595 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12595 times:

here's a photo from the Columbus Blue Jacket's Facebook of their airplane.


次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlineSiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12513 times:

Coyotes, not blocked. PMM698:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/PMM698


User currently offlineeaglemanywg From Canada, joined Mar 2008, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12452 times:

Here is Ottawa's charter to Winnipeg for thier game Saturday afternoon..



ACA7047 · "Air Canada"
Ottawa Macdonald-Cartier Int'l (CYOW)
Winnipeg Int'l (CYWG)
03:10PM EST
04:48PM CST
Scheduled:
03:00PM EST
Scheduled:
04:32PM CST
Other flights between these airports

Duration: 2 hours 38 minutes

Thursday, 17 January 2013

Status

Landed over 23 hours ago (track log & graph)



Aircraft

Airbus A319 (twin-jet) (A319/Q – photos)
Speed
Filed: 377 kts (graph)
Altitude

Filed: 28,000 feet (graph)
Distance

Direct: 1,050 sm Planned: 1,099 sm Flown: 1,190 sm


User currently offlinen92r03 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12435 times:

Quoting Stackhouse007 (Reply 4):
Just curious, why would Carolina, Ottawa, and Washington all use Air Canada?

I think it has something to do with specially equipped (all biz class) 319's. Someone more in the know can probably confirm/deny.


User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2798 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12434 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 11):

here's a photo from the Columbus Blue Jacket's Facebook of their airplane.

Now lets just hope they can pay the fuel bill on the way back   .
Anybody know who the Wild fly? Perhaps DL or Sun Country?
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User currently offlinesancho99504 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12359 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 5):

Cootes still use a 727. Its been parked on the sw side of PHX near I10/17 junction almost all summer.



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User currently offlinePHLJJS From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12330 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 8):
Only ones I could find last year was the Ducks and Flyers, now looks like Ducks on AC,
not sure about Philly.

The Flyers are using Delta again this year.


User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3082 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12295 times:

Phoenix Coyotes --- private 727 PMM 698


Quoting brilondon (Reply 9):
I don't think that that's right.

The Avalanche plays Minnesolta Wild tommorow night, this flight fits perfect and don't see any other charter between these cities. We will see but I think this is them.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...5/history/20130118/2100Z/KDEN/KMSP

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 15):
Anybody know who the Wild fly? Perhaps DL or Sun Country?

The Wild flew on a Swift Air 734 last season.

Quoting n92r03 (Reply 14):
I think it has something to do with specially equipped (all biz class) 319's. Someone more in the know can probably confirm/deny.

Yes, they fly on the Jetz division, the special charter VIP subfleet. Don't know if there are any changes for this year, but last year there were 5 A320s and 1 A319 in the fleet. The 320 seats 64 in all business (not sure how many seats on the 319).

A319...C-GKOB
A320...C-GPWG, C-FPWE, C-GQCA, C-FPWD, C-FDCA.

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Quoting PHLJJS (Reply 17):
The Flyers are using Delta again this year.

Thanks.

[Edited 2013-01-18 16:10:58]


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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 12068 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 9):
It is owned by Olympia, is that not the holding company of the Red Wings or the company who runs the Joe?

Olympia is owned by the Illitch family who owns Red Wings, Tigers and Little Caesars Pizza as well as run the Joe

Quoting sancho99504 (Reply 16):
Cootes still use a 727. Its been parked on the sw side of PHX near I10/17 junction almost all summer.

Not really saying anything if it is parked. The previous Detroit Redwings DC-9-50 is parked at DTW by Fed Ex too.


User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3533 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 12031 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 8):
All Canadian teams should be on AC Jetz, now add Colorado and Anaheim Ducks to the mix.
Last year, NJ Devils and LA Kings also on AC.

Why would an American use a Canadian carrier for their charters? Would the flights they fly for Colorado and Anaheim not be cabotage when the team is transported from the home city to an opponent's city (ie. DEN-LAX?) How about the cost to position the plane to pick up the team?



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User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2104 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 11965 times:

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 20):
Why would an American use a Canadian carrier for their charters? Would the flights they fly for Colorado and Anaheim not be cabotage when the team is transported from the home city to an opponent's city (ie. DEN-LAX?) How about the cost to position the plane to pick up the team?

More than half the players and GMs are Canadian, so it isn't a stretch for them to consider it before they consider an American air carrier. There was an issue two years ago (maybe three) where the FAA addressed cabotage in an agreement with the Canadian authorities. Given the number of teams using the service, I don't believe that repositioning is a big deal. There is likely another team that needs to be picked up nearby. That said, repositioning would be the same for most other carriers as well.


User currently offlineONT2CGI From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 11824 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 8):
Last year, NJ Devils and LA Kings also on AC.

The Albany Devils (owned by the NJ Devils) did a trip to St. Johns on AC late last year(during the lockout), so it look AC still has that contract. The only thing was the flight operated to/from EWR and not ALB.


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 11429 times:

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 20):
Why would an American use a Canadian carrier for their charters? Would the flights they fly for Colorado and Anaheim not be cabotage when the team is transported from the home city to an opponent's city (ie. DEN-LAX?) How about the cost to position the plane to pick up the team?

Doesn't cabotage only affect scheduled airlines?

AC Jetz has been doing it for years with Canadian teams flying between 2 American airports between games. For example when I saw Ottawa Senators land at TPA to play the Lightning, they played Florida Panthers the day before so they flew FLL - TPA then probably went on to ATL or RDU next to play the Thrashers (this was a couple years ago - before someone calls me out and say they moved to Winnepeg) or Hurricanes.

It does seem weird for US teams to be using Air Canada, but since it is a charter flight they can get away with it.


User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3082 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11356 times:

Got a few more....

Edmonton Oilers --- ACA 7039 or 7040

Philadelphia Flyers --- DAL 8946

Winnipeg Jets --- ACA 7017 or 7018

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 23):
Doesn't cabotage only affect scheduled airlines?

I don't think it matters.

http://www.execcharter.com/blog/comments/NHL_cabotage/

The main problem was passengers joining the charter at mid point without ever crossing a border, that was a violation of the charter agreement and was the basis for the order.



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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25372 posts, RR: 22
Reply 25, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11328 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 23):
Doesn't cabotage only affect scheduled airlines?

As far as I know, even an ad hoc freighter operated by a Canadian carrier can't carry strictly domestic cargo between two U.S. points (or vice versa for a U.S. carrier in Canada). That's why carriers like FedEx have to contract out their domestic Canadian service to a Canadian operator.

The cabotage issue for the sports teams and similar types of charters became controversial a few years ago but was resolved and is now permitted provided no other passengers are carried.

[Edited 2013-01-20 17:34:46]

User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4118 posts, RR: 2
Reply 26, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11285 times:

They should give Winnipeg a 777 for all the flying they'll do.

User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2104 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11515 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 24):
The main problem was passengers joining the charter at mid point without ever crossing a border, that was a violation of the charter agreement and was the basis for the order.

Exactly, the biggest issue was ownership taking friends and family from one point in the US to another. A couple owners were particularly bad about doing that. A secondary issue was for players called up or sent down to the minors during the course of the trip. Fortunately though, the problem was resolved in fairly short order.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32952813...canada-us-reach-deal-nhl-charters/


User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3082 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11561 times:

A few more...

Florida Panthers --- BSK 394

St. Louis Blues --- SWQ 737 or 801 or 802

Tampa Bay Lightning --- BSK 395



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User currently offlinecanadianpylon From Canada, joined May 2003, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11235 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 26):

They should give Winnipeg a 777 for all the flying they'll do.

It won't get them to their destination any faster... They need something to make the miles go by MUCH faster... Concorde?

 



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User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2049 posts, RR: 8
Reply 30, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11072 times:

The Nashville Predators lost their ride after last season when Swift Air filed for Bankruptcy. They kept most of their teams but requested out from Nashville and I THINK Colorado, but don't hold me to that.

Looking tonight it looks like Delta has gotten the Preds Contract.

DAL 9864, MD88 scheduled to KMSP tonight after the game with the Blues here in Nashville.



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User currently offlineCcrlR From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11042 times:
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It does seem weird for US teams to be using Air Canada, but since it is a charter flight they can get away with it.[/quote]

Quoting silentbob (Reply 27):
Exactly, the biggest issue was ownership taking friends and family from one point in the US to another. A couple owners were particularly bad about doing that. A secondary issue was for players called up or sent down to the minors during the course of the trip. Fortunately though, the problem was resolved in fairly short order.

There was a short time when Ottawa was using Delta for flights within the United States during that time. They may have just used one of DL's A319's that they use for NBA charters.



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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3082 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11056 times:

One more....

Los Angeles Kings --- ACA 7023 or 7024

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 30):
DAL 9864, MD88 scheduled to KMSP tonight after the game with the Blues here in Nashville.

I don't think thats them. There is an AC 319 just landed at BNA, thinking the Predators might be on AC this year. We will know for sure in a little while.



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User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2049 posts, RR: 8
Reply 33, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10995 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 32):
I don't think thats them. There is an AC 319 just landed at BNA, thinking the Predators might be on AC this year. We will know for sure in a little while.

I think you are right. Looked at the "pilot resources recently used IFR flights" on flight aware and saw a 10:20 flight to MSP on Delta. Didn't realize that already happened in the AM.

Wow. I was hoping for AC. Makes for great photo ops here in the south of the Maple Leaf Tails.. Hard to believe they got a better deal on AC but if that's what it is I'll take it!

Sweet!

Thanks for the information. Too dark to take pics tonight but will get a chance or two this season during the day.



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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3082 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days ago) and read 10975 times:

Yeah they just put the flight plan up, AC it is!

Nashville Predators --- ACA 7013 or 7014

[Edited 2013-01-21 17:54:07]


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User currently offlinesebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 35, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days ago) and read 10957 times:

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 20):
Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 8):
All Canadian teams should be on AC Jetz, now add Colorado and Anaheim Ducks to the mix.
Last year, NJ Devils and LA Kings also on AC.

Why would an American use a Canadian carrier for their charters? Would the flights they fly for Colorado and Anaheim not be cabotage when the team is transported from the home city to an opponent's city (ie. DEN-LAX?) How about the cost to position the plane to pick up the team?

This was settled literally at the national leader to national leader level early in Obama's first year. The argument in favour of allowing carriers to fly cabotage routings in each other's country is that it would be impractical - stupid even - to have to use different airlines to fly those routes than the one that brings the team over the border. This applies to the NHL where there are seven Canadian teams. A lot of road trips to Canada involve flights to Montreal/Ottawa/Toronto on the same itinerary, carrying on to a second Cdn destination. With this ruling, a team can charter from NW, fly to Montreal, then on to Toronto, etc. rather than have to charter with a different airline for the Montreal-Toronto portion of the road trip while their US aircraft repositions empty in Toronto.

I've heard that 15 NHL teams are using Jetz this year, which is a logistical nightmare for AC given the compacted schedule and late planning start. AC also flies the NBA Raptors and MLB Blue Jays. Others have explained why the charter issue became contentious, but I believe the question of hangers-on was just a pretext by American unions trying to force the newly elected Obama to take a pro-labour stand. The owners countered that ths US charter sector was subject to bankruptcies and other upheavals, and some US carriers are loathe to flip six or seven aircraft like AC into long-term executive configuration. AC does this because in the winter quarters, there is a sharper downturn in domestic ASMs than US carriers experience. AC prefers to do this to flying that capacity to beach hotspots where margins are notoriously small.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 33):
Hard to believe they got a better deal on AC but if that's what it is I'll take it!

It seems to be a business AC wants to be in, and a lot of US carriers don't want to be in. If carriers like DL do some sports chartering, it is truly a small sideline, whereas AC operates it as a full-time subsidiary with a sales force soliciting contracts. Also, AC's 320 flight is pretty well full amortized, so it's not like there is a huge cost sitting the planes on the ground for a day or two during a road trip.


User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2049 posts, RR: 8
Reply 36, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days ago) and read 10918 times:

Quoting sebring (Reply 35):
It seems to be a business AC wants to be in, and a lot of US carriers don't want to be in. If carriers like DL do some sports chartering, it is truly a small sideline,

Well DL is a BIG player in the NFL. I think they fly more teams than any other carrier. But, that being said, most ALL games are on Sunday. A few are Monday and Thursday but if the majority is on Sunday. I think it's pretty easy to plan to take a specific number of aircraft out of rotation on Saturday and Sundays for just over 20 weekends to provide this service. The NBA, NHL, and MLB travel all kinds of crazy schedules for months and I can see a big problem with scheduling here.



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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3082 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10895 times:

15 teams on AC? Then I guess they will pick up a few more, as I was figuring about 13 based on last year, still got a few more teams to confirm.


Quoting sebring (Reply 35):

I think Delta is the largest charter carrier in the US and they do have a dedicated charter department and fleet of 8 VIP 319s, not a small operation at all at DL and many more charters are flown on all other equipment from DC9 to 747.


Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 36):

UA is making a run with 12, but DL still on top with 15 NFL teams.



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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4118 posts, RR: 2
Reply 38, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10767 times:

I'm only guessing, but the Boston Bruins might be using DL A319s. I saw one came into Hanscom Field in Bedford, MA last night (from Westchester County, as DL 8955) and go to Newark as DL 8845.

I know the Bruins are playing the Rangers tomorrow night at MSG. And I know that in the past the Bruins like using Hanscom rather than Logan.


User currently offlinejcarv From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10671 times:

The Bruins previously used USA Jet MD-80s but seems those made their way to TUS desert.

User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3082 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10661 times:

I'm thinking the 8955 HPN-BED was the NY Knicks coming in after their game against Brooklyn, and the 8845 was a ferry to the next gig. The Knicks normally fly N37NY but maybe it is gone tech and DL is covering for them.


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User currently offlineA340crew From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10640 times:

bruins are using swift air this year SWQ 801

User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3082 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10605 times:

Quoting A340crew (Reply 41):
bruins are using swift air this year SWQ 801

  

The 734 is getting ready to pick them up

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...1/history/20130122/1420Z/KMDW/KBED


Well, that flight number not showing up now, but there shows a flight to EWR as SWQ 2101, never seen Swift use a flight number like that before.

http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KBED

[Edited 2013-01-22 08:36:05]


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User currently offlinerobsaw From Canada, joined Dec 2008, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10517 times:

Some NHL teams, including the Vancouver Canucks, are none too pleased when they found out the AC aircraft were NOT in the usual AC Jetz all-business configuration (as AC reasonable re-configured them to standard passenger configuration during the lockout).

http://www.leaderpost.com/sports/hoc...er+teams+miffed/7851411/story.html


User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3082 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10460 times:

You know I thought it was odd that most of the AC hockey flights we tracked were on 319s yet there was only one 319 in the Jetz configuration, guess this article explains it. Hope AC can work something out because there is really not many other options for the teams, Swift seems to be maxed out and DL is tied up with the NBA.


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User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2049 posts, RR: 8
Reply 45, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10413 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 42):
Well, that flight number not showing up now, but there shows a flight to EWR as SWQ 2101, never seen Swift use a flight number like that before.

Swift in the past used flight numbers that matched the tail number of the aircraft used.

SWQ 801 was the 737 N801TJ
SWQ 802 was the 737 N802TJ

SWQ 767 was the 767 N767MW

I could be wrong but I thought they had a third 737 but can't remember. Their current website only shows two.

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 44):
Swift seems to be maxed out

Boy are they. They filed for Bankruptcy and asked the bankruptcy judge to end a few of the teams contracts, one being the Nashville Preds (for sure), and the other I think the Av's of Colorado. Correct me on the later if need be.



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User currently offlineKBUF From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10096 times:

Sabres using Miami Air: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK397


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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3082 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10081 times:

Almost got them all,

Boston Bruins --- SWQ 801 or 802

Calgary Flames --- ACA 7035 or 7036

Montreal Canadiens --- ACA 7041 or 7042

New York Islanders --- BSK 393


Only teams missing,

Thrashers
Wild
Devils
Canucks



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User currently offlineKBUF From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9926 times:

...except the Thrashers don't exist anymore.  

As for the other teams:

Devils' next road game is Sunday at Montreal, Wild's next road game is Friday at Detroit, and Canucks' next road game is also Friday, at Anaheim. So we should have the latter two tomorrow. Probably won't get the Devils until Saturday.

[Edited 2013-01-23 20:51:55]


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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3082 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9910 times:

Quoting KBUF (Reply 48):
...except the Thrashers don't exist anymore.

LOL, I copied the list and didn't realize that! Well, that makes it easier.



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User currently offlineA340crew From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9729 times:

NJ Devils are also using Swift this year out of EWR.

Swift has converted its 767 N250MY to 100 J seats, and is using it on hockey and basketball charters as well


User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 51, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9667 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 47):
Wild

Wild are on Delta, typically with the Flight Number 8954



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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3082 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9527 times:

The decision by Air Canada to reconfigure the Jetz aircraft has cost them their first customer,

Canucks Take to the Air with Flair

VANCOUVER - The Vancouver Canucks have cut ties with Air Canada and signed on with a new airline for their charter travel.

When the Canucks departed the South Terminal at Vancouver International Airport on Thursday afternoon, it was on a plane operated by Kelowna-based Flair Air.


http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/h...take+with+Flair/7869383/story.html

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/F...1/history/20130124/2130Z/CYVR/KLAX



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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4993 posts, RR: 43
Reply 53, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9442 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 52):
The decision by Air Canada to reconfigure the Jetz aircraft has cost them their first customer,

I think you mean the decision not to reconfigure the Jetz aircraft. While this is unfortunate, it was predictable. With the hockey season so short, it was not economically feasible to reconfigure the aircraft. Apparently it costs something north of $100,000 to do the reconfiguration, back and forth.

However, that being said, the Jetz product is more than just the size of the seats. There is something to be said to have a major airline at your back. And I wonder if the Canucks will regret that decision.

Having flown a few Jetz charters when on the A320, one of the "promises" is that weather notwithstanding, there will be NO delays. Period. It takes a very large company to make such a guarantee. I wont go into the specifics, but rest assured, for every operation there is a "backup" nearby. You simply cant have a team late for its game.

And once on the B767, I was drafted for a "rescue mission", pick up a team and drop them off somewhere else.

That is one of the selling features of having large airlines like Delta offering team charters. Some of the smaller team charter airlines have large airlines on retainer ... just in case. I know Flair Air does not, as earlier this winter I did a flight to SXM and there was a Flair Air B737 and passengers sitting there looking for seats back to YYZ. Apparently the aircraft had been sitting there 30 hours ... so far.



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User currently offlineCcrlR From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9154 times:
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Saw this earlier today, A white 767 leaving stormy ORD. Must be for the Blackhawks flying to MSP to play the Wild Wednesday. The Stars' 767 is in DTW by the way if you asked.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ250



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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 55, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8986 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 8):
All Canadian teams should be on AC Jetz, now add Colorado and Anaheim Ducks to the mix.
Last year, NJ Devils and LA Kings also on AC.

Well, the Canucks have severed their relationship with AC, for one, since AC have reconfigured their mainline aircraft with less J and more Y. AC Jetz aircraft are not always available, particularly this year since the schedule was made up late in the day and Jetz frames may have been committed elsewhere already.

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 20):
Why would an American use a Canadian carrier for their charters? Would the flights they fly for Colorado and Anaheim not be cabotage when the team is transported from the home city to an opponent's city (ie. DEN-LAX?) How about the cost to position the plane to pick up the team?

Per several other contributions, the cabotage argument has been resolved and IIRC it revolves around who is travelling from Point A to B to C and back to A. I don't believe teams are allowed to insert a substitute (due to injury, for example) on the B to C leg, that player has to go commercial.



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User currently offlinethreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2140 posts, RR: 9
Reply 56, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8731 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 53):
However, that being said, the Jetz product is more than just the size of the seats. There is something to be said to have a major airline at your back. And I wonder if the Canucks will regret that decision.

Having flown a few Jetz charters when on the A320, one of the "promises" is that weather notwithstanding, there will be NO delays. Period. It takes a very large company to make such a guarantee. I wont go into the specifics, but rest assured, for every operation there is a "backup" nearby. You simply cant have a team late for its game.

I realize that Flair is nowhere near the size of AC and lacks the widespread support in many airports, but - with three B737s - they should be in a position to support the Canucks should one of their aircraft suffer a snag. One can reasonably assume that the hockey charter is considered a high priority at the airline this winter. Given that the team's travel this season is only half the regular number of games, and spread across "only" half the continent, I think the managed risk the Canucks have decided to take is a wise one.

Vancouver is the NHL team that spends by far the most time in the air, so a Y-configured aircraft for multiple 3+ hour legs was not really an option for them, whereas it might be a consideration for a team like the Senators or Leafs who tend to fly very short legs within the eastern conference.



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