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Frontier - TTN Smart Move  
User currently offlineryanrap1 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 175 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 19529 times:

I know many people are skeptical about Frontiers decision on TTN but I was looking at some of the routes and loads from there website and a lot of the lfights look almost completely full. I know a full plane does not equal profit however it appears people are interested! I really hope this works for Frontier!

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User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9328 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 19512 times:

Looking forward to New Jersey-inspired tails.

http://www.njfishandwildlife.com/pdf/wildcolor.pdf



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 19439 times:

I think that if F9 and TTN do some basic economics, and give a good guestimate as to how many pax in the area will be willing to use F9 and TTN (rather than drive to PHI or EWR) and to what destinations these pax are willing to pay X amount of $ to get there, then this definitely has a good chance to succeed. I would imagine that there is a lot of solid data out there available for both F9 and TTN to mine, and if an equilibrium is achieved so that the pax, airport and airline are happy with the results, possibilities are certainly there.

Basic economics here....... this is where it all starts.

And all the best to TTN, F9, an the folks in the area.......


 


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 19080 times:

Quoting ryanrap1 (Thread starter):
I was looking at some of the routes and loads from there website and a lot of the lfights look almost completely full

A true test will be after the TTN introductory fares expire. It appears F9 may have found a niche at TTN/Princeton roughly halfway between Philly and NYC. I'm not yet convinced about the 6X weekly ATL service; but maybe. I think to much capacity to soon.

F9 also needs to put into place a means to to grab some of the fliers in a 40-60 mile radius around the TTN airport. Cheap fares in a ULCC model or undercutting other carriers at PHL and EWR is not the sole answer.

In the late 90's early 20XX F9 used motor coach service to move passengers from DEN to the ski slopes and if memory serves me to a park and ride or sporting venue. In the TTN corridor I think the high frequency mega bus might just fit neatly if they can negotiate a deviation or add a second stop at the airport. Because mega bus does not yet offer service from Philly to Princeton it allows them to test the market for potential future service.

F9 needs to find an economical marketing platform such as using the Interstate state-line visitor welcome stations with a state specific brochure showing all of the service offered in that state. Thousands of motorist use these resources daily. Illuminated signage marketing the F9 brand hanging on a wall at the welcome centers would also be economical advertising. It would stick in my memory.

Quoting stlgph (Reply 1):
Looking forward to New Jersey-inspired tails.

Although not specifically native to New Jersey. I was thinking about the Chesapeake Bay blue crab. With all of the Florida flying a Manatee can't be to far away.



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User currently offlineNKOPS From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2662 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 18968 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 1):
Looking forward to New Jersey-inspired tails.

Greenheads and mosquitoes??



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25077 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 18966 times:
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 3):
I'm not yet convinced about the 6X weekly ATL service; but maybe. I think to much capacity to soon.

I think Frontier probably agrees with you - TTN-ATL is 4 x weekly.  

mariner



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7516 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 18936 times:

I've always stated for years that an airport like TTN needs a mainstream LFC to come in.

Previous carriers were either small Johnny Come Latelys that don't survive for too long or commuter/regional affiliates to legacy carriers w/sky-high fares.

That said, F9 coming to TTN makes perfect sense.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25077 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 18898 times:
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Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 6):
That said, F9 coming to TTN makes perfect sense.

One puzzle I have is with the Trenton Takes Off Sweepstakes:

http://planetprinceton.com/2013/01/1...ces-trenton-takes-off-sweepstakes/

"Frontier Airlines today announced a sweepstakes for people who live in the Princeton and Trenton area and travel through Trenton-Mercer Airport. The sweepstakes, which runs through May 31, will award weekly and monthly prizes, as well as a grand prize in May. Participants can enter the sweepstakes by registering at the Frontier Airlines website. No purchase is necessary to enter.

One grand prize winner will be selected on June 1 to receive a dozen round-trip flights out of Trenton-Mercer Airport for a year. Sweepstakes participants must be 18 years or older. Resident of Delaware, New Jersey and Pennsylvania are eligible to enter."


I had not thought of Delaware as being in the TTN catchment area - I thought it would be much closer to PHL - but may it's just my sense of geography?

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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6742 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 18873 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 1):
Looking forward to New Jersey-inspired tails.

There's a joke about Snooki & JWoww's rear ends in there somewhere...   


User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1533 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 18839 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 8):
There's a joke about Snooki & JWoww's rear ends in there somewhere.

They'd need to pick up an A380 to get them both on the tail.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7516 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 18736 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 7):
I had not thought of Delaware as being in the TTN catchment area - I thought it would be much closer to PHL - but may it's just my sense of geography?

While PHL is closer to Delaware (it's only 11-12 miles from the State Line via I-95); if the the fare at PHL's high enough to cancel out any extra gas spent to head further north in West Trenton (where TTN is actually located), then it is indeed an option for somebody living in northern Delaware.

Not all of F9's nonstop routes out of TTN have LFC competition out of PHL.

[Edited 2013-01-18 16:34:05]


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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25077 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 18661 times:
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Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 10):
Not all of F9's nonstop routes out of TTN have LFC competition out of PHL.

Starting with CMH - I was surprised to see that. It made sense of some of Frontier's choices.

Thanks.

mariner



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 18565 times:

Borrowed from the Frontier's New TTN Cities thread.

TTN-MDW starts April 8, 2013 and is 6X weekly ex Saturday
TTN-ATL starts April 8, 2013 and is 4X Weekly (Mon,Wed, Fri, Sat)
TTN-DTW starts Apirl 9, 2013 and is 4X Weekly (Sun, Tue, Thur, Fri)
TTN-CMH Starts April 8, 2013 and is 3X Weekly (Sun, Mon, Thur)
TTN-RDU Starts April 8, 2013 and is 6X Weekly ex Saturday

Quoting mariner (Reply 5):
TTN-ATL is 4 x weekly.

Thanks for keeping me in   

Have we figured out any commonality which ties or would justify 6x weekly TTN-RDU service. Obviously F9 sees something. That region of N.C. is referred to as the triangle region encompassing Raleigh, Durham and Chapel Hill; all college towns. I suppose TTN will soon have access to good North Carolina BBQ.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25077 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 18496 times:
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 12):
Have we figured out any commonality which ties or would justify 6x weekly TTN-RDU service.

See above.

When Southwest ends RDU-PHL in March (2 x daily), there will be no LCC service RDU-PHL/EWR. The nearest would be JetBlue's RDU-JFK.

I suppose some will say that Southwest ending the route isn't a good sign, but I think that's more about Southwest at PHL - it's cut a bunch of stuff there, including all of New England.

http://blogs.wickedlocal.com/massmar...and-to-philadelphia/#axzz2INoxI6DV

"Southwest Airlines drops all flights out of New England to Philadelphia"

New England. Hmmmmm.  

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User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3125 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 18485 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 1):
Looking forward to New Jersey-inspired tails.
Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 3):

Although not specifically native to New Jersey. I was thinking about the Chesapeake Bay blue crab. With all of the Florida flying a Manatee can't be to far away.

How about a horseshoe crab? Not terribly photogenic, but funny.


Or maybe a shad.


 
Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 3):
In the late 90's early 20XX F9 used motor coach service to move passengers from DEN to the ski slopes and if memory serves me to a park and ride or sporting venue. In the TTN corridor I think the high frequency mega bus might just fit neatly if they can negotiate a deviation or add a second stop at the airport. Because mega bus does not yet offer service from Philly to Princeton it allows them to test the market for potential future service.

America West did this to a couple locations in the Phoenix area, such as Scottsdale. I think Frontier 1.0 did it to Boulder once upon a time.

Quoting mariner (Reply 7):
I had not thought of Delaware as being in the TTN catchment area - I thought it would be much closer to PHL - but may it's just my sense of geography?

Fairly direct up I-295, no tolls, and faster than the parallel NJ Turnpike from my experience.

-Rampart


User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 18447 times:

Quoting rampart (Reply 14):
Fairly direct up I-295, no tolls, and faster than the parallel NJ Turnpike from my experience.

-Rampart

There is the Delaware Mem. Bridge toll on the return using I-295. No toll on I-95 though between No. Delaware and TTN.


User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3125 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 18416 times:

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 15):
There is the Delaware Mem. Bridge toll on the return using I-295. No toll on I-95 though between No. Delaware and TTN.

I forgot the bridge, thanks! Everyone has to pay to leave NJ, but it's free to get into NJ. To bastardize The Eagles, you can check out any time you want, but you can never leave.   As for I-95, I think of going through Philly and NE Philly with more traffic.


User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days ago) and read 18319 times:

Along with free parking, most of TTN's suburban catchment can reach TTN without tolls:

NJ: Mercer, Middlesex, Somerset, Hunterdon, Burlington, Camden, Gloucester, Monmouth, Ocean
PA: Philadelphia, Delaware Co.
DE: New Castle

Montgomery and Bucks Co. PA might need to take PA Turnpike but the drive is tolerable and typically less traffic than a drive to PHL. Some might fly into TTN to reach NYC or AC which has tolls to deal with though.


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1677 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days ago) and read 18307 times:
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I think Florida will do ok. But not the others.

User currently offlinePHLwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 501 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days ago) and read 18249 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 10):
While PHL is closer to Delaware (it's only 11-12 miles from the State Line via I-95); if the the fare at PHL's high enough to cancel out any extra gas spent to head further north in West Trenton (where TTN is actually located), then it is indeed an option for somebody living in northern Delaware.

As someone who lives a few miles on the Delaware side of the DE/PA border, this certainly isn't a drive I'd look forward to during or within a few hours of rush hour. I dread the commutes to my clients up in Princeton. There are several choke points along 95, and 295 has problems of its own between route 42 and the Mt Laurel area. FWIW I haven't seen any F9 advertising down this way either. I can usually get to PHL in about 20 min, 25 min if I use PA 291 as an alternate due to traffic, whereas it's about 1 hr 20 min to TTN with no traffic, which would be unusual. There would have to be a huge price difference to not only make the extra gas worth it, but the additional time.

Quoting rampart (Reply 16):
I forgot the bridge, thanks! Everyone has to pay to leave NJ, but it's free to get into NJ. To bastardize The Eagles, you can check out any time you want, but you can never leave.

There are plenty of jokes in the reason about this  


User currently offlineF9animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5025 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 18194 times:

I just hope F9 plants itself and maintains service for a decent amount of time before pulling plugs. The market seems good. I just fear that F9 will go 3 months, and start pulling routes.

As for the bus idea... Boltbus was trying to work with Bellingham Airport to get a stop at the airport. The CEO of Bolt told me the airport top dogs would not return phone calls, and didnt seem interested. I suggested he contact Allegiant, but never heard anything else. Bolt has several buses running out of Seattle to Vancouver now, and noticed Bellingham has started. Maybe Boltbus should have a look at TTN?



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User currently offlineIllinoisMan From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 18184 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 18):
think Florida will do ok. But not the others.
Quoting F9animal (Reply 20):
I just fear that F9 will go 3 months, and start pulling routes.

Remember when the COS routes were announced and everyone started jumping for joy thinking it was going to be the next big thing for F9? Well, its only been a year and already they've folded up the tents over there. Let's see how many of these TTN routes remain come next April.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25077 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 18165 times:
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Quoting F9animal (Reply 20):
I just hope F9 plants itself and maintains service for a decent amount of time before pulling plugs.

It's really up to the good folk of New Jersey, F9, all the airline can do is offer.

It's the oldest rule in the book - use it or lose it.

mariner



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 17058 times:
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 3):
F9 also needs to put into place a means to to grab some of the fliers in a 40-60 mile radius around the TTN airport. Cheap fares in a ULCC model or undercutting other carriers at PHL and EWR is not the sole answer.
Quoting mariner (Reply 22):
It's really up to the good folk of New Jersey,

Three other factors --

(1) PHL is on the southern border of Philadelphia, making folks from the northern suburbs (TTN's location) need to leave the day before to catch a flight because of Philadelphia's gridlock.

(2) The Pennsylvania Turnpike, the New Jersey Turnpike, I-95, I-195, and I-295 all feed traffic into the Trenton area making it easier to reach.

(3) Previous airlines at TTN were leisure-oriented and really didn't connect to anything.


User currently offlinealphascan From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 937 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 16916 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 23):
Previous airlines at TTN were leisure-oriented and really didn't connect to anything.

F9 is leisure orientated and really doesn't connect to anything from TTN.



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25 rampart : I wish they had the financial and fleet latitude to be able to develop a route to profitability, and not drop in less than a year. In the example of
26 rduddji : There's quite a bit of pharmaceutical traffic between PHL-RDU. It's been served by at least 4 different airlines in the past 12 years. I'm not very f
27 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : With WN PHL-PVD pull back I wonder if TTN-PVD might just be on radar. PVD is my favoritie airport when I travel to the greater Boston area; although
28 slcdeltarumd11 : Cos- the airport I really thought had potential and flights were full. I dont want ttn to end same
29 mariner : I had fairly high hopes for COS, too, but began to worry about it quite early in the process - the bookings didn't look that exciting. There are reas
30 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : The wickedlocal writer failed to mention the FL subsidiary will continue to fly PHL-BOS. It also looks like FL will continue to fly the PHL-RDU http:
31 mariner : I just tried to book RDU-PHL in March and April on the Airtran website, and couldn't find a non-stop - only through ATL. mariner[Edited 2013-01-19 12
32 GentFromAlaska : Price would ultimately be the deciding factor if I would fly PHL-ATL-RDU with a TTN-RDU option. Driving would take 8-10 hours. I didn't look at speci
33 Sligo : As mariner can attest to : ) ....Im having trouble swallowing this. It's just a plane and it flies a schedule....there's nothing inherent about F9 th
34 mariner : It seems they are misleading. Airtran has - or had - those lines on the map for RDU-BOS, but when I checked the flights, it was the same story as RDU
35 PHLwok : Sorry, but that's simply not true. Folks drive to PHL from the northern suburbs all the time, and unless you have perhaps a 5:30 am flight and want t
36 Post contains links and images mariner : Frontier isn't abhorrent to business travellers - many do fly Frontier (just as a fair number fly Allegiant) especially on routes such as DEN-DCA. Th
37 rampart : I've thought of COS and DEN as the same market for some time. Otherwise, Denver is one of the largest metro areas in the nation served by only 1 airp
38 mariner : By "distinct market" - I meant for Frontier. TTN is a distinct market, separate from DEN or its environs, which would include COS, or even FNL and ma
39 GentFromAlaska : That may be what I was thinking about. In my mind it was more than five years ago but less than ten years. I want to say it was in the Jeff Potter er
40 STT757 : They can take Route 1 or 95 without paying tolls.
41 Post contains images jerseyguy : Via Rt 1 they would have to make a small diverson and take the toll-free lower trenton Bridge (aka the Trenton Makes the World Takes Bridge) westboun
42 Post contains links jerseyguy : New Article about the convience of Trenton Mercer Airport from the Philadelphia Inquirer Trenton-Mercer: A hassle free airport http://www.philly.com/p
43 Post contains links rampart : Try 20 years. I was thinking of the pre-1995 version of Frontier, the original "local service" airline. I found a 1983 route map on DepartedFlights.c
44 STT757 : Drove out to Lancaster yesterday to go outlet shopping, there were Frontier signs promoting TTN all along the way as far out as Norristown. I think it
45 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : This may be what I was thinking about http://media.flyfrontier.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=4813 slightly more than ten years ago..
46 rampart : Ah, OK. Wasn't aware of that one. At that time, F9 still had management from the earlier Frontier (FL), I think? It's hard looking back, what F9 was
47 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Nice article; thanks for posting. Several events are mentioned in Florida. I checked a couple of other markets including TTN-MSY. Using two random da
48 Post contains links mariner : This article in the Gazette gives quite a lot of information about what happened at COS - although obviously not actual profit/loss figures: http://w
49 Post contains images PHLBOS : It's worth noting (and you likely already know this, but for those that don't) that the above-posted blog entry is from last year. Some clarification
50 GentFromAlaska : My apology for the misinformation I was looking at FL route map yesterday and saw the connection. I did not look at specific flights. Another travel
51 Post contains images mariner : Yes. But it's interesting because it says something about Southwest at PHL - which appeals to my sense of irony and of metaphor. The present Frontier
52 Flytravel : I don't think F9 is interested in pleasing the day trip business traveler. At this moment, it's trying for leisure and VFR and some business traveler
53 jerseyguy : So after the introductory fares are gone what does everyone think the lowest fare will be: Here's some of my guesses Intro Fare Normal starting fare M
54 usflyguy : I think this experiment is going to go the same way the COS experiment did.
55 jerseyguy : Within a 50 mile radius of Colorado Springs there are a million people. Within in a 50 mile radius of Trenton there are atleast 2 million to 2.5 mill
56 PHLBOS : In retrospect, all WN's entry into PHL did accomplish was halt FL's expansion that was taking place at the time. One needs to remember that had it no
57 Sligo : +1. Moreover, I'd guess that a county-by-county analysis in NJ and PA in which EWR, PHL, ABE and ACY are included would result in around 4,000,000 pe
58 GentFromAlaska : And two of those are sitting Supreme Court Justices; either born or raised in Trenton. DTW being the exception in today present economy; in a ULCC le
59 GentFromAlaska : It's going to be fun to watch the RITA numbers for TTN when they start publishing in the next 3-6 months. TTN going to have to have or build more tha
60 jerseyguy : I wasn't complaining, I love to see the expansion. I will have to confirm when I fly to MCO next monday but I think TTN needs more enhancements. Hope
61 STT757 : I see Dunkin Donuts and Subway.
62 GentFromAlaska : My attempt at humor I suppose. because PFC are both origin and destination based I suspect a lot of the region is already paying them (maybe not in T
63 Post contains links and images mariner : That'd be my guess, or something like that. From the Philly.com article: http://articles.philly.com/2013-01-2...rontier-airlines-nonstop-flights/2 "T
64 jerseyguy : Isn't modern and 2 gates an oxy-moron LOL. Hopefully this modern 2 gate facility will include 2 modern jetbridges capable of handling the average nar
65 mariner : I think that is entirely probable - and sensible. As one of the Freeholders said, Frontier is off to great start but we need to see some returns. Fro
66 GentFromAlaska : Should I be offened Juneau (JNU) has four gates with loading bridges. Personally I like the ambiance and nostalgia of walking on the tarmac. Although
67 jerseyguy : I do too, last time I did that was in the mid 90s (around 95??) at SRQ coming off my American Eagle Flight from MIA. However that ambience wears thin
68 GentFromAlaska : You can help but think this snippet is on TTN minds. "14 carriers have tried, and failed, to establish commercial jet service there (TTN)." Because a
69 jerseyguy : I just hope they can make some minor enhancements in the meantime. I'll know what those might be on Monday night after my flight.
70 GentFromAlaska : The TTN-MSY flight on Friday Feb 01 which I believe is also the inaugural flight is currently selling for a premium in the high $300; closer to $400.0
71 jerseyguy : Next years Super Bowl is in an F9 city NYC (LGA). I will assume if TTN is still around they will see their share of bowl pax
72 jerseyguy : I just spotted a billboard for F9 at TTN Rt 1 South between Meadow Rd and Quakerbridge Rd in West Windsor. on an electronic changing billboard 2 diffe
73 jerseyguy : Oh for anyone who is interested 25.25% of all flights out of EWR were delayed an average of 62 minutes from November 2011 to November 2012. One more r
74 Sligo : I'd guess there is 5,000-6,000 O&D enplanements per day EWR/PHL to/from MDW/ORD; close to 100% of those in the TTN catchment are a part of that E
75 STT757 : TTN to Metlife Stadium is 62 miles, 1 hour 14 minutes in current traffic. When the Turnpike expansion is done this will probably be an hour flat.
76 GentFromAlaska : Potentially setting it up for failure. I wonder if 2X daily (once in the morning and once in the evening) or alternate the flights; M-W-F in the morn
77 jerseyguy : 2X might interfere with the other service they have issues with lack of planes. M-W-F AM T-T-S PM might work. The big problem is that they are doing
78 EWRandMDW : The thing is, unless the Giants play the Jets, at least one team will fly into EWR (F9 airport or not) as it is the closest major airport (not counti
79 mariner : It is the model, Sligo. The restructure is partly based on rigid fleet discipline and lower fleet frequency. DEN-ATL is 1 x daily as is DEN-DTW. DEN-
80 jerseyguy : Ewrandmdw, We were talking about how F9s TTN-MSY flight was full of Super Bowl pax and next year the game will be in NJ and how that would effect F9.
81 Post contains images Mexicana757 : As some of you on here I too would like to see F9 succeed on MDW-TTN. This is the first time F9 adds a new route out of MDW since they have been flyin
82 Post contains images point2point : Another route that I think would be good from MDW for F9 would be to PHF. I do believe that since F9 entered PHF, they have been daily and year round
83 mariner : Frontier has never pulled out of PHF. Just a guess - and I could easily be wrong - but I think that TTN-PHF is more likely, at some point, than MDW-P
84 Flytravel : It's the about the same distance by drive as TTN-PIT, but TTN-PIT would be connecting bigger markets. I can't imagine F9 linking TTN-PHF. I think man
85 jetsetter629 : Would love to see that! NK recently announced PHL-MYR, so I cannot see F9 opening a station to MYR. I'm really curious to see what else they add from
86 Post contains images mariner : The point about PHF - for summer leisure - is Virginia Beach. I guess PBI may be in the mix for next winter. I'm hoping for TTN-NAS, if only to incre
87 jetsetter629 : Hmm..that would work as FPO and NAS are US preclearance airport
88 Post contains links mariner : And not to forget that TTN already has a (very small) FIS presence, through Ronson Aviation, for international GA pax arriving at the airport. http:/
89 GentFromAlaska : Given Chicago's geographical location I'm not sure Chicago would generate enough traffic to PHF. I do see a possible feed between the Navy at Great L
90 Post contains links mariner : TTN airport officials are asking the Freeholders to approve of the hiring on an engineer to help them re-organize the airport. http://www.nj.com/merce
91 jerseyguy : I'm glad they realize that it's a problem. Hopefully they will atleast have started the project to reconfigure the terminal by April when MDW and the
92 Sligo : IIm fairly sure that this is the approval that the TTN-based start-up pushed through the FAA. I wonder if it is still valid.
93 Flytravel : I think Virginia Beach is closer to ORF and one would still have to drive through the tunnels. I don't know but I think it's too driveable within 6 h
94 Sligo : One of the advantages of TTN is that F9's success will not require pulling traffic from EWR or PHL's catchment. Keeping the people who would prefer T
95 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : In the interim it sounds like this might be opportunity if local code or ordinance allows it to invite the portable food truck(s) to the airport for
96 GentFromAlaska : F9 is also starting to show up as the second carrier in a multi-carrier configuration reservations request in TTN. I suppose because they are the sole
97 Post contains links jerseyguy : Appears that Fromtier @ TTN may be starting to have a college following. From "The Signal" the paper of The College of New Jersey (TCNJ) also located
98 Post contains images mariner : Virginia Beach is slightly closer to ORF but Frontier doesn't fly to ORF - it flies to PHF and a deal of Frontier's summer traffic is bound for Virgi
99 slcdeltarumd11 : Rutgers and Princeton have students who fly to go there but no mass transit will probably make them use EWR since the train and shuttle companies alre
100 mariner : There is a reason (several) Frontier is calling it "Princeton/Trenton" Airport. And since there are limo/shuttle bus/taxi companies based in Trenton
101 GentFromAlaska : Around the greater Nashville college scene which includes Vanderbilt, Belmont, Middle Tennessee State University (MTSU) TSU Mega-bus has a huge follo
102 Post contains links mariner : Trenton Marriott wants a shuttle bus for pax arriving/departing TTN: http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...renton_marriott_board_may_pur.html "Trento
103 jetsetter629 : Looking forward to the report - I'll be flying TTN-MSY in March and TTN-MDW in June
104 Post contains links jerseyguy : As was mentioned earlier TTN is looking to hire an engineer to reconfigure the terminal. The interesting thing is that restaurants have contacted TTN
105 Post contains images MSYtristar : I'll probably have one posted, too. Taking the inaugural MSY-TTN on the 1st...followed by a cab to the train station, a three hour wait before catchi
106 Post contains images mariner : Have fun - but don't expect a full flight. First flight to MSY (2/1) is full - Superbowl fans - but no matter how well first flights to a vacation de
107 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : I'm sure there are a bunch of them out there. This company http://www.bizjournals.com/albany/ne...s-with-rw-armstrong-to-create.html was just hired o
108 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : I don't believe this has been posted yet. http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...freeholders_hear.html#incart_river "A representative from Frontier Ai
109 jerseyguy : Well as luck would have it, it appears that there will be some wintry weather for my flight on Monday. Currently its supposed to change to rain by 1pm
110 kingcavalier : I'm arriving on the inbound flight from MCO on Monday afternoon. Hopefully, we aren't sliding down the boarding ramp like a slip and slide.
111 GentFromAlaska : The snow melt or brine they use on the ramp and or walking bridge does tend to stain carpet and leave white blotches after it dries. Its not so bad i
112 enilria : I don't think the loads mean much with the $29 fares in place. It'll be a while before we know anything.
113 rampart : The degree to which NJ uses salt solutions for ice astounds me. Our roads look white and encrusted, makes me think of salt cod. Driving home the othe
114 nkops : down here in south Jersey, they seem to use the brine alot more than rock salt... just makes white lines on the blacktop.
115 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : My armchair marketing mind went to work again Sunday. With sixteen or so miles between Trenton and Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst. F9 may want to in
116 GentFromAlaska : Pasted from the Joint Base McGuire-Dix Air Mobility Command terminal URL I posted in #115 above. "Travel to/from Phl Airport- Transportation to and f
117 Post contains links jerseyguy : Nope Rapid Rover is a limo/shuttle company. Doesn't offer service to TTN only PHL and ACY. http://www.rapidrover.com/Default.aspx
118 GentFromAlaska : I suspect it shouldn't not take them long to get established at TTN. They are kind of pricy though. I priced a Mt. Holly to PHL fare, Mt. Holly being
119 jerseyguy : Well they certainly have some improvements to make at TTN. No bathrooms after security, No food (even vending machines) after security. Which wouldn't
120 jerseyguy : My flight just canceled and best they can do is Tommorrow at 1015pm
121 rampart : There is a risk in flying an airline with one flight per day (and limited backup), from an airport without any other alternatives, on a day with real
122 Post contains images point2point : In a small way, this has already got to be a nightmare for F9, but hopefully they can have a better idea of how to prepare with this going forward. Y
123 jerseyguy : I'm not blaming the airline or airport, just a bit frustrated. My biggest concern is with the state of the terminal they do need to make modifications
124 slcdeltarumd11 : That is going to be often. You are basically in the best case scenario in a cancellation for frontier at TTN. They have no other airlines to fall bac
125 Post contains images point2point : If it's any consolation, the snow has started in the Denver area and is falling at a good clip. Maybe Colorado and some others in the area may be joi
126 Post contains images mariner : It's very frustrating, I agree. I believe it is the first serious delay at TTN and it must have been quite wild weather for the Captain to decide not
127 gustywinds : In the case of today's cancellation on TTN - MCO, the aircraft arrived MCO from DEN early, so the plane was cleaned, catered, fueled and ready to go.
128 jerseyguy : I don't mean to complain but the TTN pax got squat. Are you sure the MCO pax got something? I assume they were also scheduled for an extra section?
129 jerseyguy : My experiences with Frontier, haven't been the best. I flown them 2 times. Once from SLC-DEN they lost my luggage, I did get it back and now this. LOL
130 GentFromAlaska : I feel your pain. This reminds me so much of southeast Alaska where AS aircraft may or may not get in sometimes for 2-3 days. It is extremely difficu
131 nkops : So at what point does TTN get their own TSA personnel and not ACY?? When they go to daily flights, that is a miserable commute
132 jerseyguy : For the record, TTN uses Calicum Chloride (or atleast thats what they used on the sidewalk outside the terminal), I would have gotten a picture but t
133 Post contains links Sligo : Looks like they're throwing a little party at TTN http://www.centraljersey.com/article...news/doc5106bfba9bd76047352332.txt
134 PHLJJS : TTN had their own TSA personel until a few years ago when they last lost scheduled service. All of the TTN TSA personel were absorbed by PHL and ACY.
135 Post contains links jerseyguy : Well it only has 1 photo (more tonight when I try again) but I posted my trip report in the trip report forum if any one is interested. Mercer To McCo
136 jerseyguy : This is some kind of joke, isn't it? Where's the Camera??? My replacement flight is now DELAYED. Ok not by much but still its the point of the whole t
137 rampart : If I didn't know better, I might guess that you don't fly much out of New Jersey in the Winter. Continental, er, United has it easy up at EWR to monk
138 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : It looks like jerseyguy is on his merry way to MCO http://flightaware.com/live/flight/FFT2002
139 rduco : kind of scanned the topic // anyone think this could be a preempt to PeoplExpress(PEX)? // could they be the only one taking them seriously // or cons
140 jerseyguy : Rampart, Yeah, I overreacted to the delay a little bit, just a bit frustrating when you lose 30 hours of your trip and end up arriving at 1am. Funny t
141 rampart : Glad they came through for you, both finally getting your flight, and a voucher. F9 and all the rest must realize how fickle customers can be. Comes
142 Post contains links Sligo : Frontier Airlines' shifting market strategy avoids competition: http://www.denverpost.com/business/c...market-strategy-avoids-competition
143 GentFromAlaska : Good article thanks for posting. This caught my eye "To be effective in Trenton, Shurz said Frontier must raise awareness about the airport" It appea
144 Post contains images jerseyguy : I was going to do another trip report but after I got everything down a.net crapped out and lost everything so here is pics from TTN Arrival Area (Pre
145 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Nashville gets a plug courtesy of the NY Times http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/09/us...spotlight.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
146 NKOPS : out of curiosity, what was the passenger loads like?
147 jerseyguy : I didn't count the seats but I'd estimate 80-85%
148 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Assuming its the same airframe. The RSW-TTN turn according to their media release is only allowing for a 10 minute turn http://media.flyfrontier.com/a
149 mariner : I think it is an aircraft switch, Gent. The DEN-RSW flight arrives at about 4.40 and I think it goes on to TTN, while the TTN flight goes back to DEN
150 Post contains links jerseyguy : Here's a video of my landing on F9 918 today at TTN. Sorry its not better, it was just on my iphone thru the window. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr
151 GentFromAlaska : Nice video. It looks like there is a lot of semi-rural out there. More than I remember anyways. As stated throughout these threads the property does
152 Post contains images jerseyguy : Shots of the Baggage Claim at TTN From outside onto the belt The belt
153 STT757 : In the video right before they touch down you can see the farm adjacent to the airport, it's a dairy farm run by the New Jersey Department of Correct
154 Post contains images point2point : Well..... I have to say that this certainly gives a whole new meaning to a milk run, eh?
155 GentFromAlaska : More-so out of curiosity; where does TTN purchase its jet fuel from. I would guess from the Port of PHL. The ten or so times I've landed in PHL I see
156 jerseyguy : DL's refinery is in Trainer, PA which is south of PHL on the Delaware river, a few miles north of the DE border. So odds are they would go to PHL firs
157 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : And the first monthly TTN "Takes off Sweepstakes" winner is http://media.flyfrontier.com/article....cfm?article_id=5434&view_id=1290&[Edited 2
158 Post contains links JBAirwaysFan : http://www.flyfrontier.com/trenton Cute sweepstakes title. They encourage passengers to find out why "Flying from Philly is Silly" Clever, very clever
159 Post contains links jerseyguy : Trenton is applying for a $2.5 million dollar grant from the state to rehab 2 more of its taxiways. http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...mercer_coun
160 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : I posted a few days ago about the congestion directly over TTN as a north-south and east-west turning point. Thirty five or so miles SSW of NYC makes
161 GentFromAlaska : If TTN is looking for a surplus loading bridge it looks like the POC below is their man as the State Agent for Surplus Property SASP for the state of
162 Post contains links jerseyguy : Here's a video clip I found of the Baggage Claim at TTN. Having been there it does give a good feel for the process, though on my flight they never ac
163 GentFromAlaska : F9 TTN operation reminds me of the 60's and 70's television sitcom Green Acres; specifically the episodes which showed the Pixley airport. Not that it
164 F9animal : I suspect that Seigel will be gone in a year. The longest job he held was at Gate Gourmet, which was 5 years. He has proven in every job that he hates
165 mariner : I suspect he will be gone once separation is achieved. It's why he is at Frontier. As I explained to you before, he is shepherded by Texas Pacific Gr
166 jerseyguy : Could we please keep on topic, if you need to comment about Seigel then do it in the Frontier part 41 thread this is the Frontier Trenton thread
167 Post contains links and images mariner : Here's a TTN ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLFXjSSnHVI&feature=player_embedded Enjoy. mariner
168 jerseyguy : Glad to see them come up with an ad. Wonder where they are going to run those? Cable? Philly stations? New York?? Though nobody watches commericals an
169 mariner : That'll be news to the auto companies. I watch commercials, and I have young friends who prefer the commercials to the programs. mariner
170 jerseyguy : Maybe I exaggerated a bit but TV commericals are far less effective today then they were 20 years ago. I know a lot of people who watch very few thin
171 rampart : If only cheeky spokesanimals were enough to carry an airline. Frontier would be the world's largest and most profitable. I'm with you. Maybe it's a d
172 rampart : Does anyone know if that's Ray Romano as the voice of the rabbit? Sounds like him, and Manny the Mammoth from Ice Age. -Rampart
173 GentFromAlaska : The critic in me wishes the ad company would have photo-shopped the TTN airport or surrounding area in lieu of using the same background F9 has used
174 mariner : I'm still not sure of your point. Are you saying they shouldn't have made the commercial? mariner
175 GentFromAlaska : M, I suspect Jerseyguy comment is a general characterization or rationalization. Many people because of shift work or a variety of other reasons reco
176 jerseyguy : I'm pretty sure the background was DEN, you can see the pedestrian bridge to the A gates behind Flip at one point. That would have totally screwed up
177 Post contains images jerseyguy : Good question, what is my point? . My point is that it is far less effective than people would think. Its fine that they created the commerical, they
178 mariner : This is one way of doing it. It isn't the only way - it's one of many. From radio to the billboards to the Sweepstakes to the tv commercial. To the m
179 rampart : Well, I've seen the commercial... on Youtube. Not TV. Most commercials are available that way, particularly the good ones. Far more mileage than just
180 GentFromAlaska : But dolphins have a keen sense for finding things (I think its a sonar/radar combi) RNP might be a better term. I never said it had to be accurate! W
181 Post contains images mariner : Here's another one: mariner
182 GentFromAlaska : I stand corrected the ad commercial mentions affordable parking not free parking. Perhaps a sign of things to come. Paid parking at TTN would be a re
183 jerseyguy : Actually, I don't know if this was before or after they decieded to advertise with them but the Trenton TItans hockey team was on my flight coming ba
184 Jerseyguy : I read over at Flyertalk that MSY is gone (I would think seasonally because the fares were high up until beginning of June) and RSW and FLL lose 1x we
185 Post contains links Jerseyguy : Must be a slow news day. Trenton Mercer adds second free parking lot http://www.trentonian.com/article/20...rking-lot-coming-to-mercer-airport
186 jetsetter629 : MSY ends on July 29 - I hope as well it's seasonal as I can't imagine that New Orleans has the same draw in the hot and sticky months of August throu
187 Jerseyguy : I believe they would only be adding another destination if MSY is being dropped for good.
188 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : I think the headline should read the ATC tower could close as it is manned and funded federally, not necessarily the airport in a federal sequestratio
189 Sligo : I hatw to sound like a broken record, but I'd prefer they add frequency to some of the business markets to save them from potential irrelevancy for t
190 slcdeltarumd11 : It's probably too early but Denver is suppose to see a lot of wind in this storm so it would be cool if they could somehow use ttn to keep even some p
191 jerseyguy : Yeah, there current schedule to Midway is a no-go for most business travelers. Their flight MDW-TTN 1135-1425 requires an additional overnight stay i
192 STT757 : I'm starting to see F9 commercials for TTN here in Monmouth County, they were on CBS 2 NY.
193 MSYtristar : Makes sense to me. Tourism falls off a cliff in August and September. It picks up again by mid October. I live here and July-September, especially, a
194 GentFromAlaska : Yes but I suspect Mercer County like any other county in America receives a significant amount of their operating funds be it tax sales tax dollars f
195 rampart : And for those unacquainted with the NY metro area (I know you know, STT757), that's not just Monmouth County, but the entire NY City market, 7.5 mill
196 slcdeltarumd11 : There is absolutely no generic price it would depend on how long the commercial, how many they purchased, time, and date etc.
197 jerseyguy : Cool, looks like F9 is really trying to make a go of it at TTN. I could be wrong but micro-marketing would only be available via cable or fiber optic
198 jerseyguy : RITA Stats just came out for November. 5 MCO Flight with a total of 619 passengers Average pax load = 123.8 or 89.71 Load factor isn't everything but
199 GentFromAlaska : I thought that was Time Square alone! I wonder what it would cost F9 to air the commercial on the T.S. digital Magnatron or whatever they call it the
200 rampart : It wasn't that long ago that they had a 1/2 scale (guessing, maybe it was 1/3 ) BA Concorde at the south end of Times Square, I think perched above t
201 STT757 : Yup, Cablevision.
202 Flytravel : I don't think any of the NY broadcast or Philly broadcast stations micro-market, and most stations in general do not do this unless the station has a
203 Flytravel : I think increasing MDW service and ATL service would be sensible, since it's popular with business travel, and leisure/VFR. Even year round. Also, gi
204 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Concur, if you open the RITA Transtats data without doing any sort of specific search. The top ten domestic routes populate. NYC-Chicago is #1; NYC-A
205 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : TTN ATC tower to remain open if federal sequestration rears its head, http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...irport_in_ewin_3.html#incart_river
206 jerseyguy : Perhaps they don't do this anymore, but cable providers have some time when they can air local commericals instead of the commericals being aired by
207 crj900lr : Really? is this the best they could come up with. I wouldn't worry, the whole TTN operation will be done in 6-8 months. The people of TTN will be tre
208 mariner : Use it or lose it. mariner
209 Flytravel : Local advertisers can buy ad time through cable, but those then air on cable channels (e.g. ESPN, Lifetime), not WCBS, WNBC, etc. STT757 mentioned CB
210 jerseyguy : Perhaps they updated the story to reflect the proper information but the tower will close but TTN will stay open. Frontier said their schedule will s
211 GentFromAlaska : That is really strange it was late. I'm almost certain I read something to the extent which lead me to believe the tower would remain open with the a
212 JBAirwaysFan : It works, it sends the message across. The idea is to attract locals away from using PHL and encourage them to take advantage of TTN. Though if you t
213 GentFromAlaska : Although it could be interpreted to be airframe specific If the Orca tail is still around I sort of like "Free Willy from Philly" or "Don't be a Will
214 ScottB : It all depends on the contract with the stations. Comcast does insert ads on broadcast stations as well. Their software isn't so good; several months
215 Post contains links mke717spotter : Maybe not: http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...renton-mercer_airport_may_div.html "Executives at Frontier Airlines, the only commercial airline th
216 Post contains links jerseyguy : Looks like any closure wouldn't be effective until atleast 30 days from Friday. I don't however like the comment that if its even cloudy that pilots w
217 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Having worked around the federal government for twenty five years I still think a lot of beltway bloviating and scare tactics are in play. Although T
218 Post contains links jerseyguy : I assume they were expecting to be able to convince the FAA to extend the hours??? In looking at some pictures NJ.com has on its website, I found one
219 slcdeltarumd11 : possible i guess i had lunch a few times there, loved it. The restaurant always had great views and you did look down at the plane or occasionally pl
220 GentFromAlaska : Does TTN have check and balance internal controls system in place to weed out potential abuse of those who may use the TTN free parking option who ar
221 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Unless it's operator error on my part and I tried it several times It appears the TTN tab on the F9 interactive routmap http://www.flyfrontier.com/pla
222 IllinoisMan : If F9 was smart, why wouldn't they try to go to a more proven market than TTN... Really? There is a reason they are in this situation...poor managemen
223 mke717spotter : I'm not sure you're understanding the situation completely. The airport is not going to close, however, the control tower "MAY" close. You'd have to
224 mariner : I guess you are completely unaware of the history of Northwest/Delta (and Frontier) at MEM or any LCC and Delta at CVG. Then there was what Delta did
225 slcdeltarumd11 : Old news and irrelivant cities IMHO. There is no way in 2013 Delta would defend CVG or MEM like they would SLC, MSP, DTW, ATL or NYC. Delta has not f
226 mariner : Old news? What happened at MCI-MSP is less than two years ago. But Delta has never flipped out when it is a route to and from a hub, as DEN is for Fr
227 GentFromAlaska : What federal subsidy? The TTN ATC tower is no different than any other airport with salaried employees.
228 Post contains images skycub : I am just curious as to why this thread has reached 200+ comments when there is a dedicated Frontier thread? I don't think any other airline gets thei
229 jerseyguy : Anyone can make any thread they want, you can make a United or Houston thread. If enough people respond to keep it towards the top then you will cons
230 skycub : If that is the case.... why not have separate threads on ALL of the routes F9 is adding/dropping? Guess what? I have no clue where F9 is flying today
231 jerseyguy : Ok, you win, F9 doesn't NEED a seperate thread on Trenton. Just like we don't NEED your permission to start a seperate thread on Trenton. We don't NE
232 jerseyguy : I don't think we should read anything into that. I doubt they would shut down Trenton because of a tower closure that could only be a few days long.
233 skycub : I don't think I ever implied that you need my permission to do anything. Where did I say that? My question, again, is: Every other airline that start
234 Post contains images rampart : It's tilting at windmills night on A.net... This kind of opinion is not consistent with an aviation enthusiast website. In fact, it's very anti-aviati
235 jerseyguy : Lets not forget all of those EAS airports that's the pure definition of subsidized. Many of these airports are close enough to unsubsidized airports t
236 GentFromAlaska : From my perch I like the segregated TTN thread. It steers comments specifically about the new micro hub (my words) in the PHL-TTN-EWR corridor. And t
237 JBAirwaysFan : You just answered your own question.
238 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : More TTN news http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2..._executive_brian.html#incart_river "One of Hughes’ biggest hopes for the area is creating new c
239 jerseyguy : If Trenton doesn't lose it's tower they can use the Sequester to their advantage. Something like a Beat the Sequester sale "Dont let politicans waste
240 Post contains links jerseyguy : According to this Fox News article FAA Administrator Michael Huerta says airport shutdowns and flight cancellations are expected to start in early Apr
241 slcdeltarumd11 : It looks like TTN will definitely see some snow this week
242 jerseyguy : TTN will see some snow 2 to 5 inches. They did ok the last time it snowed so I hope it will be a repeat. Though this is the kind of weather where it w
243 GentFromAlaska : Slightly O-T; it appears the MFR airport restaurant has found a way to serve customers on both sides of the security line. The model looks like it is
244 Post contains links mariner : Interesting proposal at TTN. They want to add more parking and Frontier has agreed to pay for the design of it - if they can't get other sources - and
245 slcdeltarumd11 : Yeah it really might turn out to be a huge success or Frontier might repeat history and TTN turns out just like it did for those other carriers. East
246 mariner : Or - like so many things - somewhere down the middle of those two extremes. mariner
247 GentFromAlaska : I like the parking configuration BNA offers which is four tiers of parking. Valet, long term, short term and overflow. Valet being the most expensive
248 rampart : I think a fare for a shuttle is a nonstarter. I know of no airport that charges a fare for a shuttle between terminals, to parking lots, or to rental
249 jerseyguy : Yeah, I'm not so sure, I like the idea of charging for parking. I know that paying for the parking lot is something that needs to be done but I'm not
250 Sligo : They should charge b/c (1) the facilities will need upgrades, (2) showing the ability to produce revenue through various sources will be important do
251 Post contains images PHLBOS : Agreed. IIRC, the issue w/Eastwind was due to the entire airline shutting down and not just its TTN operations. In DL's case, it was due to overprici
252 jerseyguy : If they do charge $5 a day, then they should use some of the money to refurb the terminal right now. At half capacity of the number of spaces they ha
253 GentFromAlaska : I guess my thought process was if the airport ultimately decided to charge to transport pax to/from the terminal the amount would be miniscule and ab
254 Post contains links jerseyguy : More info on the restaurant and the parking at TTN The restaurant space is 3600 square feet. 1500 would be used as a bar area where bar food could be
255 GentFromAlaska : I think a $3 daily parking fee would fly which in my mind mirrors F9 ULCC theme. Obviously F9 and the Freeholders are partnering. It might be time fo
256 Post contains links mariner : TTN now has a $2.5 million state grant for improvements to the taxiways, etc: http://www.philly.com/philly/business/198145001.html "N.J. lieutenant Go
257 Post contains links iowaman : Due to thread length please continue on part 2: Frontier TTN Smart Move Part 2 (by iowaman Mar 14 2013 in Civil Aviation)
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