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Future Of IAH Part 3  
User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4433 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 12395 times:
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The previous thread was over 250 replies, so please continue the discussion here.

Previous Part 2:
Future Of IAH #2 (by iowaman Dec 23 2012 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4022 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 12389 times:

Wow, never seen an IAH themed thread go beyond 35-40 posts, much less 3 pages.


"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineCalebWilliams From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12373 times:

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 1):
Wow, never seen an IAH themed thread go beyond 35-40 posts, much less 3 pages.

If only we could get that with MSP.



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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3714 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12359 times:

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 1):
Wow, never seen an IAH themed thread go beyond 35-40 posts, much less 3 pages.

If we cut out the unnecessary fluff in the 2 previous threads, we would have seen 35 decent posts!   



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User currently offlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4022 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12321 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 3):
If we cut out the unnecessary fluff in the 2 previous threads, we would have seen 35 decent posts!

Agreed, a lot of superfluous, repetitive fluff in the last two (I suspect I am a bit guilty).



"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12279 times:

From the previous thread:
"How come on BA.com its cheaper to take IAH-DFW-LHR vs IAH-LHR? Same with United IAH-EWR-LHR.
Can someone please explain to me why these non - stop tickets are cheaper vs the non stop tickets?"

Yield management.....they figure if you are willing to make a connection, you are more price sensitive.

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 4):
Agreed, a lot of superfluous, repetitive fluff in the last two (I suspect I am a bit guilty).

Yeah, me too..but that is what makes it fun.



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User currently onlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2443 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 12233 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 5):
Yield

This noob question, but what are yields? And how are they figured out?



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User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 974 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 12214 times:

I think it UA will put the 787 on the IAH-LHR route in the future.


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User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12194 times:

I hadnt checked the previous thread, but why does it seem that IAH for UA hasnt gained any traction as a southern mega hub in the way DFW(AA) and ATL(DL) have for their respective airlines? I was encouraged when my hometown market of CID gained IAH service after the merger and thought it would be on par with the aforementioned competing airlines with their southern hubs. UA is a very strong brand in markets like CID and others in the upper midwest and it seemed natural to connect the dots from their strong markets to the new IAH hub. But IAH never really caught on. CID is ending, the only other mid sized markets in the upper midwest(outside of major ones like MSP/ORD/MKE etc) UA connects to IAH are DSM and OMA. Contrast that to AA at DFW who has FAR/FSD/OMA/DSM/CID/MLI/MSN/PIA/CMI/BMI/SPI/GRI etc etc. Why cant IAH work like that?

User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 974 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12179 times:

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 8):

I think because UA is happy where IAH stands today.



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User currently offlineCOflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12153 times:

CIDFlyer-

My guesses are;

1) DFW is better located to offer connections from Midwestern + Great Plains airports. IAH is quite a bit further South.

2) DFW is more connected to the economies in the Midwest + Great Plains. It's a regional banking, retail, and domestic trade powerhouse. It also tends to draw people from Oklahoma, Kansas, Arkansas, Iowa, Missouri as a place to move which helps with O&D.

3) AA has always been a much larger player than CO.

4) The Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex is larger. It has around 600,000 more residents.


User currently offlineBA0197 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2011, 333 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days ago) and read 12094 times:

From the previous thread:
You think they'll build an Ad-Club at IAH?

As it stands no, at least for now. However there are some rumours going around staff as to the possibility of it. The old AC is still unoccupied and right next to the AA gates (and because I know someone will want to know, quite near the US gates as well). We will see if AA will reopen it after the rebrand etc.... there is also the possibly of a joint BA-AA lounge (see DEN or PHL) on the odd chance that AA is deemed to move to terminal D after its refurbishment (which IMHO, is the possibility with the greatest chance of us having a lounge at IAH).

Aren't these 77Ls?

Apologies, of course they are.

How come on BA.com its cheaper to take IAH-DFW-LHR vs IAH-LHR? Same with United IAH-EWR-LHR.
Can someone please explain to me why these non - stop tickets are cheaper vs the non stop tickets?

BA yields on this route are amazing. They do not want to dilute them and fill them with cheaper seats that could have been taken by more expensive customers, so they route them on AA through DFW (as DFW was essentially made into a oneworld connection hub). BA will be very reasonable if an onward connection is attached (ex: IAH-LHR-CDG/AMS/MAD etc)

What will happen to the old signage? Do you know, by chance, if there is any old TWA signage? Like in a storage area perhaps?

I assume it will be scrapped. There is no longer, to my knowledge, and old TWA signage at IAH. Our operations room was the last place where there was some old remains, but it has been rearranged with a slight makeover some time ago.


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12030 times:

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 11):
You think they'll build an Ad-Club at IAH?

As it stands no, at least for now. However there are some rumours going around staff as to the possibility of it. The old AC is still unoccupied and right next to the AA gates (and because I know someone will want to know, quite near the US gates as well). We will see if AA will reopen it after the rebrand etc.... there is also the possibly of a joint BA-AA lounge (see DEN or PHL) on the odd chance that AA is deemed to move to terminal D after its refurbishment (which IMHO, is the possibility with the greatest chance of us having a lounge at IAH).



Thanks for answering my question. I hadn't realised the old one was still around at IAH.
I'm not an AA/oneworld guy so forgive me but...can AA pax use the BA lounges in D presuming they had the time to take the elevated train? What are the normal requirments to get in?



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User currently offlineBA0197 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2011, 333 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12006 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 12):
Thanks for answering my question. I hadn't realised the old one was still around at IAH.
I'm not an AA/oneworld guy so forgive me but...can AA pax use the BA lounges in D presuming they had the time to take the elevated train? What are the normal requirments to get in?

Now, only non-AA oneworld Saphire or Emeralds are allowed to do so. EX: A QF Emerald travelling IAH-DFW can access the BA F lounge (BA have a Galleries First and Galleries Club lounges at IAH). There is also a station arrangement where, if you have come off a BA flight and travelled in F or CW, you can access the BA lounge if connecting on AA.

Typical AC rules when travelling domestically:
Have an AC account
AAirpass or Concerige Key Member
Connecting from a BA (or AA coded oneworld flight) on the same day and were travelling in Business class (if in F class one is entitled to use the Flagship lounge) (even if connecting flight is in Y)
Are a non-AA oneworld Sapphire or Emerald frequent flyer (Non-AA emeralds allowed access to Flagship lounge)
Are travelling F on a transcon (entitled to use Flagship lounge) or J (entitled to use AC)


At IAH the rules would be the ones stated above. There are different rules that can be applicable to many people around the US (example: Transcon F allows AC access) and when you factor in the Flagship lounges (for people travelling in international F or non-AA oneworld Emeralds) it does get to be quite a mess.


Typical AC rules when travelling internationally:
Have an AC account
AAirpass of Concierge Key
Oneworld Sapphire or Emerald, as well as AA equivalents (Emeralds, including AA Emeralds are allowed to use the Flagship lounge)
Connecting from a BA (or AA coded oneworld flight) on the same day and were travelling n Business class (if in F class one is entitled to use the Flagship lounge) (even if connecting flight is in Y)
Travelling Flagship F (entitled to use Flagship lounge), travelling regular F (entitled to use AC), or travelling in J (entitled to use AC)

AA/BA have opened joint lounges at several stations including DEN and PHL where both airlines use the lounge. BA pax as well as BA elites (even if travelling on AA) get access to free better booze and better food while AA AC pax have to pay for the better drinks and food. Normal food and drink is free for everyone.


Hope I haven't messed anything up   Basically an AC at IAH would serve a puropse for AC account holders, non-AA oneworld elite pax, CK members, and people that have connected from BA (and soon QR) that would have been granted lounge access by the oneworld airline that they took into IAH.

[Edited 2013-01-18 22:05:58]

User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11985 times:

thanks for that. You see the volume in your daily duties I presume, so do you think it would be popular with the local AA FFlyer base, or do they all time there business to not spend much time at Term A?


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11904 times:

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 10):
4) The Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex is larger. It has around 600,000 more residents.

Wait till the Houston-Dallas "I am bigger than you are" get ahold of this statement
  

I think when we last left that fight...Houston was ahead



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User currently offlineBA0197 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2011, 333 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11863 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 14):
thanks for that. You see the volume in your daily duties I presume, so do you think it would be popular with the local AA FFlyer base, or do they all time there business to not spend much time at Term A?

Well, I do know that we get a LOT of BA/QF elite passengers (around 150-250 a day). We have AC account holders that ask if we have a lounge.

The problem I see with AA opening up a lounge is: What is there incentive?
Yes, it would serve a purpose for people holding AC accounts, non-AA oneworld elites (of which gives absolutely no money additional money to AA other than their ticket price, plus those pax are eligible for free better food and booze, meanwhile AAs own elites do not get access), people that have come into IAH on BA (and soon QR) where their respective class of service on the airline that brought them to IAH is applicable for lounge use, and I suppose people connecting onto AA/BA International F (Flagship or not) or J (which would be about 50-100 people a day). I just do not see a revenue incentive because the only way AA would be able to make-up from the operating cost of the lounge would be the people whom have purchased AC accounts (or bought a one day AC pass). That is the question: Can AA earn a profit from operating an AC at IAH without increasing premium fares on connecting oneworld elite and premium itineraries and from AC account holders and day pass options?

Yes, it would be nice for the non-AA oneworld elite member, International connecting pax travelling in F or J, and people coming from/connecting to a BA flights etc.. But its operating costs must be compensated by additional revenue to allow the facility to operate without being a burden on AA.

This is why a joint AA/BA lounge is so attractive. Although on reflection, the destinations that AA/BA have done that, there seems to only be one (or two) BA departures where BA sends its 3-class (772 or 763) birds (without F) to. On reflection IAH has two BA lounges, a F and a Club one. So IAH is probably too high yielding on BA's part to have a joint lounge, and the lounges would be extraordinarily crowded during the times of a BA departure. Although, now that you have me thinking, the former LH lounge is right next to the BA club lounge and it could be combined to make a larger Club lounge. That would be the only way it would work for BA and AA. AA eligable F pax would just use the BA F lounge. But my speculation is probably in vain, as we don't even operate out of TD, so I am purely basing a presumption on another.

Short, answer no. (My fun speculation of the day)


User currently offlineCOflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11797 times:

The City of Houston has about 1 million more residents than the City of Dallas. That said, DFW Metroplex is bigger than the Greater Houston area by around 600,000.

The Houston area has 4 cities with over 100,000 people as of right now (Houston, Pasadena, Pearland, and The Woodlands). You could add the unincorporated Cypress area to this list.

Meanwhile, here's the count up in DFW- Dallas, Fort Worth, Arlington, Irving, Grand Prairie, Richardson, Carrollton, Garland, Mesquite, Plano, Allen, McKinney, Denton, Frisco, and Lewisville.

The suburbs up North are massive.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7808 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11790 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 5):

That's a very simple and incorrect answer to the question.

I just reviewed the fare basis for BA's IAH-DFW-LHR vs BA IAH-LHR nonstop and the fares are identical.

The only way the connection in DFW is cheaper has to do with availability.

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 10):

That's exactly why.

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 3):
Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 4):

The amount of ignorance and lack of hard data in the IAH threads has been staggering. Not much concrete. just three threads of an IAH wish list.



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User currently offlinePbb152 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 619 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11692 times:

The goofy posts by IAH59 and AVENSAB727 are the main reason that most intelligent and reasonable Houston aviation fans do not post on this or most other Houston threads. They just completely ruin the threads with their unsubstantiated posts and repeat statements and questions. It is mind numbing reading these. A conversation between IAH59 and AVENSAB727 reminds me of an episode of Beavis and Butthead.

User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11629 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 18):
The only way the connection in DFW is cheaper has to do with availability

Yes, exactly..that is part of yield management. The more seats you have available, the lower you may have to go to sell them all.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7808 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11620 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 20):

Ok, but that isn't really that relevant to the example you provided. BA doesn't hold back seats on their IAH flights nor thir DFW flight. The only exceptions are furring special high travel occasions. The only carriers that routinely have to hold back seats for the sake of driving up fares out of IAH (and do it routinely and successfully) are KL and (recently) SQ. BA does not.

Unless you can back it up with data, don't bother.



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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3714 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11552 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 18):
The amount of ignorance and lack of hard data in the IAH threads has been staggering.
Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 19):
It is mind numbing reading these. A conversation between IAH59 and AVENSAB727 reminds me of an episode of Beavis and Butthead.

  

         (While I'm still prolonging the dreams that Santa does exist for UA and IAH.)



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 469 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11397 times:

On Wednesday I saw a Express Jet with the Continental livery on it still at IAH.

User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 974 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11349 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 23):

Really cool, soon that name will be gone along with the United tulip.



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25 TWA772LR : Is there a way to tell when the next Antonov, or any Soviet, aircraft is going to come in? Is there a website that tells you where and when the AN-225
26 Post contains images GEsubsea : Just checked on Turkish Airlines website this evening as my wife and I are planning a trip back to Europe in late August. I must say that Turkish is d
27 Post contains images GEsubsea : Just checked on Turkish Airlines website this evening as my wife and I are planning a trip back to Europe in late August. I must say that Turkish is d
28 IAH59 : Wow very nice please update us on your journey experience with Turkish from IAH.
29 Post contains links shanderawx : A Japanese firm is prpoposing building with private funds rapid rail between Houston and Dallas. Do members think this will significantly impact the u
30 TWA772LR : I'd say a snowball has a much better chance in Hell than this project coming true. Texas, along with almost all of the US, is almost completely anti-
31 FlyingSicilian : It would be nice if it happened but will most likely get killed by WN and the land lobby in the state, the same people that killed the high speed rai
32 IAH59 : Murphy Deli will replace Gordon Galley at IAH Terminal E.
33 BA0197 : Although I personally am in favour of this move (I'm from the North and lived in the UK for the vast majority of my life), I doubt it will even be gi
34 TWA772LR : Actually, it's going to be McAlister's Deli.
35 Post contains images TWA772LR : Regarding the issue of trains, it has been tossed around in the state legislature before, but with WN being around much longer than that idea and sin
36 IAH59 : Oh cause I got an email from the Concession company that runs the concession at Terminal E informing employee's of the closure of Gordon Galley and M
37 Post contains images atct : I try to skip their posts and read the useful posts. Congrats IAH'ers on the new Air China route! ATCT Formerly of IAH Tower
38 IAH59 : Anybody know why AF636 was canceled today? Also saw that they put new T.V monitors at Terminal D at the check in counter and Art work around the airpo
39 Post contains links BA0197 : Spirit is launching IAH-LAX with daily service on April 25. Departure time of 21:05, arrival back into IAH at 04:50 http://ir.spirit.com/releasedetail
40 IAH59 : Wow nice for Spirit Airlines. Cal Jet is now cutting off Houston off there map on 2/5/2013.
41 AVENSAB727 : Sucks about CalJet. I think some other airline will replace them.
42 hohd : The late evening flight IAH-LHR has terrible loads, last week it was 130 passengers and in early December it was routinely less than 50%. I travelled
43 BA0197 : Well, yes. I was more refering to adding a 3rd frequency during the summer (where the loads are often 100% (94% average load during JUN-AUG). Yet, I
44 slider : No way in hell it ever happens. I'm glad you're not an urban planner. The Metro Park & Ride in Houston has some of the highest ridership rates in
45 yellowtail : Make it Katy/downtown/HOU/Galveston instead please!
46 AVENSAB727 : I would really love that too!!
47 IAH59 : Should make a metro around the Beltway 8 or the new highway 99. I think the paxs on the 2nd British Airways flight are low right now because its not p
48 Post contains links IAH59 : IAH to get free wi fi by the end of the year so no more boingo Wifi. http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/n...irports-to-get-connected-with.html
49 IAH59 : Why was AF639 canceled today? It was also canceled last week as well. Anybody know why?
50 BA0197 : Asked about the cancelation last week: Lack of sutiable AC, route chosen due to low loads. Can't be sure about today's cancelation.
51 thomasphoto60 : Wow, that's not good. I have heard that amongst the Europeans that service IAH, AF has reported some of the weakest loads over the last few years.
52 AVENSAB727 : Uh oh, I hope AF doesn't pull out of IAH.
53 IAH59 : Yeah I hope Air France doesn't pull out of IAH its nice seeing all the Big European carriers at IAH daily. Before they pull out maybe they should cut
54 COflyerBOS : Air France isn't going to pull out of IAH. AF has been around for a long time. AF offers tons of connections at CDG to places that print money. Loads
55 Post contains images GEsubsea : As well as a few others like BNP Paribas, ENSCO, Schlumberger, Air Liquide, & Technip ...
56 COflyerBOS : Exactly. There's a lot of biz travel between Houston and France and even more connecting largely to places in Africa. AF isn't going anywhere because
57 toxtethogrady : Smisek seems to be going against conventional wisdom first employed by Bob Crandall many, many years ago at American. He finds that maintaining a hub
58 toxtethogrady : Too late. The latest Census figures show that spread to be narrower, around 400,000. And the Houston MSA GRP is higher. There is nothing geographical
59 LAXdude1023 : Relax, AF is going to nowhere. Dont expect to see an A380 on IAH-CDG, but AF will be at IAH for many years to come. Yes and no. For the most part, O&
60 IAH59 : Why was there a Lufthansa Airbus 330 I think landing this evening?
61 AVENSAB727 : Have any of you noticed that most of the Company videos by UA are mostly filmed in IAH? And their commercials too. Seems like UA is giving IAH a lot o
62 IAH59 : Yeah they shooted a video last month at IAH Terminal E.
63 AVENSAB727 : New routes could be coming soon, too!
64 IAH59 : Yeah hopefully an international route like Auckland or Santiago or somewhere else.
65 Post contains links IAH59 : San Antonio celebrity chef Johnny Hernandez is opening a restaurant in the renovated part of Terminal B which will be opening on April 1st, 2013. Rest
66 IAH59 : By the end of 2013 IAH and HOU should get free Wifi so no more Boingo Hotspot.
67 COflyerBOS : Am I the only one who wonders if IAH59 and Avensa are the same person?
68 AVENSAB727 : We are not. Now please let's go back on topic
69 thomasphoto60 : Nope, you are not, I too have pondered that for about a month now.
70 FlyingSicilian : It is second to New York city already. IAH posted the 2012 int'l numbers. Record year. 8.7mil int'l pax. Could 2013 hit 9mil with the AirChina and TK
71 TWA772LR : How come hardly any other South American airlines have served IAH? The only ones I can think of are VASP and the Venezuelan one thats not around anymo
72 thomasphoto60 : Continental/United....! They pretty much own IAH- Latin America. As far as I know, no Brazilian carrier (VASP, Varig, ect......unless you want to cou
73 LAXdude1023 : Because IAH-SCL is a tiny market. Its 11 passengers a day.
74 Pbb152 : Am I the only one who wonders if IAH59 and Avensa are the same person? No you aren't the only one. Their posts are equally inane and devoid of substa
75 MaverickM11 : AF is down to 5/wk, w/o UA YOY. Not a good sign.
76 OA412 : I recall several years ago reading that IAH was a loss-maker for AF, but that they kept it around because of all the connections they get to Africa,
77 hohd : AF now has routinely cheapest fares to India or Middle East (up to early June, only about 850 RT), which is significantly lower than any airline. So m
78 st530 : Is this seasonal or year-round?
79 MaverickM11 : Seasonal last I saw. As you mentioned the yields are probably to blame, as their LF has been average for IAH
80 IAH59 : Probably can hit it with Turkish Airline and Air China coming to IAH also with those flights bring in connections through IAH. Also with United addin
81 IAH59 : According to KLM.com Air France and KLM both airlines have 7 flights a week to IAH.
82 AVENSAB727 : Agreed, and once Terminal B gets finished.
83 IAH59 : I guess cause it will have more space so you can allow more traffic to flow.
84 IAH59 : Well so far a lot traffic has been coming through IAH cause of Superbowl, Madi Gras, NBA all star game, and, Houston Rodeo. Then next year will before
85 drerx7 : Those events you mentioned really are drop in the bucket in terms of pax traffic at IAH...minor blips. Overall they will not add much to the bottom l
86 IAH59 : Ok just listing some stuff that will bring in more traffic to IAH
87 Post contains images EricR : A very similar dynamic exists just up the freeway at DFW. Texas - South America simply does not have a lot of demand (although there are a few except
88 LAXdude1023 : Yep. If were talking deep South America, the only sizable markets are IAH-GIG/EZE and DFW-GRU/EZE. Northern South America is pretty much IAH-BOG/CCS/
89 yellowtail : You will have AV next month once the integration of TA in AV is complete....
90 Post contains links GEsubsea : Yes, but at the end of the day isn't this STILL a TACA service (under combined airline new name Avianca) routing as a connection through El Salvador
91 IAH59 : I wonder why Taca doesn't operate flights from San Jose, CR to IAH be good profitable route.
92 MaverickM11 : It would have to be mostly local traffic, whereas TA can flow lots of traffic beyond SAL, and UA flies up to 4-5 IAHSJO trips
93 IAH59 : That makes sense then split the traffic like that Taca does all the Central/South America routes while United does all the North American and on ward
94 Post contains links IAH59 : http://houston.culturemap.com/newsde...h-3rd-bar-with-celeb-chef-power-1/ Another dine in restaurant/bar at IAH will be located in Terminal B the new
95 Post contains links IAH59 : Some changes that are suppose to happen to IAH rental car area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fit...evs-at-a-outlook-stable-2013-02-01
96 aznmadsci : Wrong! Did you not carefully read the article you posted? The name of the dining establishment soon to be in Terminal B will be called "3rd Bar Eatin
97 IAH59 : Sorry about that, great news for Terminal B though. I wonder what shops will open up as well in Terminal B.
98 iad51fl : With the upcoming merger of AA/US... and the two operations using 7 of the gates in the South Concourse of Terminal A... is that going to push out F9
99 BA0197 : Well as an AA employee at IAH our schedule is soon to be (starting April 2) on peak days: DFW-8 MIA-5 ORD-4 LAX-3 JFK-1 We currently use gates 27/29
100 thomasphoto60 : Perhaps I dreamt this, but I seem to recall hearing that a shopping mall was to built somewhere on JFK Blvd, not far from the Rental Car facility.[Edi
101 IAH59 : Air France 639 was canceled today not a good sign.
102 TWA772LR : When I flew into IAH the other day, I saw there were a ton of trees removed near the car rental area, is that retail center really going to happen? R
103 IAH59 : They have chopped down to many trees down in IAH/Humble/ Atascocita area.
104 drerx7 : We've addressed this and gone over it ad nauseum. Slow season, enough please.
105 IAH59 : I was talking to my friend from Untied and he said that United might cut IAH to FRA soon and put those people on Lufthansa instead :/.
106 TWA772LR : No way in Hell that would happen.
107 IAH59 : Yeah I didn't believe that either. Spirit also recently there started there service from IAH to LAX.[Edited 2013-02-16 16:53:16]
108 iad51fl : They did? I haven't worked any of those flights in the last 2 weeks. May want to get facts before posting. Also.... try to put all your ideas into on
109 Post contains links thomasphoto60 : Actually he's partially right, NK plans a red-eye LAX flight (LAX-IAH) on the 25th of April. http://ir.spirit.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=736784
110 IAH59 : I meant to say Orlando the LAX flight comes 2 months from now.
111 yellowtail : Although it is not as close...perhaps taking a page from MIA with the nearby Dolphin Mall that sees hoardes of latin shoppers....
112 IAH59 : On April 9th, 2013 United will resume Houston to Montreal, Canada.
113 AVENSAB727 : Great news for IAH!!
114 drerx7 : Not so fast lol, this comes as AC is discontinuing IAH - YUL.
115 AVENSAB727 : Oh well, but it is still an addition.
116 IAH59 : Air Canada already discontinued Montreal to IAH.
117 Post contains links IAH59 : http://www.marketwatch.com/story/hou...s-and-border-protection-2013-02-20 Houston opens up another global entry office in Houston.
118 TWA772LR : Is this mainline UA restarting IAH-YUL or UAX?
119 atct : Shuttle America E-170
120 IAH59 : Untied Express.
121 atct : Operated by Shuttle America. Which is an airline that contracts to fly for United as "United Express." They fly little baby 737s called Embraer 170 a
122 IAH59 : Terminal B phase 1 will opening up on time so far.
123 IAH59 : Why did EK 212 stop in Louisville(SDF)?
124 IAHFLYR : The summer from hell of a couple of summers back is most likely the reason, many trees died and they need to be cut down. Is that your best guess of
125 AVENSAB727 : Well, UA is upgauging flights and upgrading Terminal B. IAH-LHR gets a third frequency. Many routes see an up gauge in equipment. And there is the po
126 Post contains images IAHFLYR : Terminal B was going to be upgraded before the CO/UA merger regardless of the timing as it has been a rat trap for some time. I don't call getting a
127 AVENSAB727 : Wow. It is B763, not B673, get it right. Looks like you are not even aware that the ghetto birds are no longer, they are 3 class, with Global First,
128 IAHWorldflyer : How is adding a third frequency to LHR on a 3 class 763 considered an upgauge? The sCO 77E's that UA would fly on this route if they left things alon
129 AVENSAB727 : But isn't Europe's economy down the drain? This could explain the change.
130 IAHFLYR : I hope you never make a type and hit post prior to proof reading the post!!!! Regardless of typos or not, you knew what was intended and just wanted
131 AVENSAB727 : Oh well, that is your opinion, I just look at the bright side of things. Regardless or not I think that is cross fleeting. And sCO 772s still fly out
132 IAHFLYR : LOL, cross fleeting is way over rated first of all, and I'm sure most all of us on here know the CO 772's still fly from IAH on a daily basis. Don't
133 AVENSAB727 : I see your point, there are always pros and cons. I hope the 787 flies ASAP.
134 BA0197 : +1; I do not see UA's move as a positive one. To be it shows how much ground UA is loosing to BA on the LHR route from IAH (see HAS firgues 2004-2012
135 IrishAyes : This was a painful thread to read.
136 AVENSAB727 : Not all of it is painful, the ones that have to do with the negativity about UA and IAH are quite painful. But I think that is all just a matter of o
137 MaverickM11 : Have you been inside one? And past J? They may not be a ghetto bird so much as demi-ghetto bird.
138 IAHWorldflyer : True that! So far this year I have been on both the 3 class 763's and 2 class 763's. From the point of view of someone not sitting in F, the 2 class
139 Post contains images aznmadsci : No reading the banal posts done by you and IAH59 just kill any decent discussions about Houston aviation!!! Can the mods consider this thread closed?
140 FlyingSicilian : Excuse me, I'm waiting to find out if they are using new urinal cakes in Terminal D so let's leave it open...thank you! On another note, the sequestr
141 AVENSAB727 : Flights being canceled or routes being canceled?
142 Post contains images IAHFLYR : An even better reason to be a member of Global Entry...but if you aren't already ya may want to hurry! If this sequestration does hit and lasts into
143 daedaeg : I'd love to see IAH to PUJ one day. I know the US Airways and American dominate the Dominican. Maybe the merger will open a doorway for United to ente
144 IAH59 : Gloria Jean coffee shop and the bookstore in Terminal E is shutting down. Taking its place is a Dunkin Donuts and I think Eddie Bauer.
145 FlyingSicilian : bah, I prefer bookshops but I am olde fashioned that way.
146 IAH59 : Grand opening of the remodel part of Terminal B will April 17th, 2013.
147 TWA772LR : Also NK is spreading like wild fire in IAH. I heard some exCO guys are at the helm so could that be a reason why NK has seen the success its had in Ho
148 IAH59 : Maybe because Southwest has already conquered HOU, so they thought maybe they could draw back the low cost traffic back to IAH and steal Southwest sa
149 AVENSAB727 : I think so too, I think UA is going to add new routes soon enough, I hope. Turkish arrives in less than a month. Air China starts in July and I think
150 IAH59 : Well Terminal B was suppose to originally open around 1/2013. They have 3 more phases to complete hopefully, they start on expanding Terminal D next
151 FlyingSicilian : The North part is not funded at the moment. United stated they are not going to fund their obligations for it at the moment unless I missed a press r
152 Post contains links GEsubsea : Chronicle today is reporting that IAH Immigration wait times are past the 30 minute processing threshold and this past weekend hovered at 90 minutes b
153 Post contains links IAH59 : Speaking of Spirit Airlines on June 13th, 2013 they will start flights from IAH to DTW and DEN. http://houston.culturemap.com/newsde...h-giving-housto
154 AVENSAB727 : enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 5995 posts, RR: 12 Reply 47, posted Thu Mar 7 2013 10:31:37 your local time (29 minutes 58 secs ago) and read 88
155 Post contains links IAH59 : Houston traffic went up 1 percent for domestic travel, passenger numbers went up .4 percent, and, international travel went down 1.3 percent. http://c
156 Post contains links FlyingSicilian : Still a push on for Norway flights it seems. Not sure that it will pick up any traction yet, but I am sure they'd be happy to make room for SAS at D.
157 IAH59 : 3 flights a week from Oslo to IAH on SAS sounds good.
158 Post contains links IAH59 : Houston Airport System wants to build a space port. http://houston.culturemap.com/newsde...y-super-space-flights-anticipated/
159 TWA772LR : If, and ginormous IF at that, this gets built, it will most likely be at EFD. They have more space, much less flights, and NASA already on site, unle
160 IAHFLYR : HAS has been talking about this for about 10 months, not a new item, and yes EFD is the supposed location! Come up with some news worthy stuff please
161 IAH59 : I am just updating on whats going on at the Houston Airport System. I posted about Spirit Airlines starting new flights from IAH to DTW and DEN. That
162 AVENSAB727 : According to enliria, Houston's consultant is now allowed in the Willis Tower, which is to rumor to me, I think UA is just experimenting with frequenc
163 EricR : This could mean the UA has moved on and I think we could FINALLY see some new routes soon.. What new routes due you expect we will see?
164 AVENSAB727 : I could prolly see IAH-SCL, IAH-PVG, IAH-GYE- Internationally
165 LAXdude1023 : Based on what?
166 AVENSAB727 : Based on that IAH is UA latin American and Largest hub and that Houston has a large Chinese population, there could be alot of demand for those route
167 IAH59 : This why Air China is flying to Houston from PEK on July 11th, 2013 I think.
168 AVENSAB727 : Yes, I think UA could cover PVG too.
169 LAXdude1023 : Houston-China has demand good demand, and thats why Air China is coming. China was the missing link in Houston's Asia network. That said, Houston can
170 TWA772LR : Rumor has it they are going to put a Whataburger in the new part of B. Hopefully that turns out to be true, I need a new place to eat at work since Go
171 IAH59 : Murphy Deli will take Gordon Galley place opening up by the end of April.
172 IAH59 : Was talking to a Emirates pilot today he said if Emirates doesn't bring the Airbus 380 then they will bring the 2nd daily 777.
173 thomasphoto60 : Yeah, well take that with a grain of salt, pilots, cabin crews usually know as much as we do about route expansion/upgrade.
174 Post contains links and images point2point : Has it been noted here that UA will have a nonstop summer run of IAH-EGE starting on 6/27 and running the month of August. http://www.postindependent.
175 leftyboarder : Just to add to the topic; TK has upped its weekly frequencies to 6 from 4, as of Jul 1, 2013. The route starts with weekly flights on Apr 1, 2013 as a
176 TWA772LR : Glad to hear there is that much demand already! I have seen TK and CA billboards around Houston. Looks like they are optimistic about this serivce.
177 TWA772LR : Also, I know EK can't fly the A380 to IAH with a profit until the HGW version comes out, but could EK fly an A380 with no cargo and put that cargo in
178 IAH59 : Interesting to know I would like to see Emirates bring back there 2nd daily to Houston. I saw Turkish Airlines officials at IAH last week in Terminal
179 toxtethogrady : That, according to a recent article in the HBJ is not true; the film companies in Texas get a better deal in Louisiana.
180 toxtethogrady : I've heard the impacts will be operational, such as runway closures due to reduced ATCT staffing.
181 toxtethogrady : "United just cut something like 18 more frequencies" At a hub that added 120,000 jobs last year? They need to look carefully at American's Cornerpost
182 BA0197 : I can confirm the 90 minute wait times. I have been commuting on the later BA flight and, as their is no other LH arrivals at 6:30, immigration is al
183 IAH59 : No news of a Admiral club at IAH?
184 BA0197 : None, as of yet. I am confident however that it will be forthcoming.
185 IAH59 : Turkish Airline will be using check in counters right next to British Airways.
186 TWA772LR : Looks like AA is going to have some decent real-estate in IAH. Does anyone know if UAX will move out of the north side of terminal A when the new par
187 IAH59 : Around 2:45 pm today was a Delta airbus getting sprayed by water from the Houston Fired Department and emergency vehicles around the aircraft in Termi
188 MaverickM11 : It's part of their "let's show Houston we're mad by shooting our own balls off". It's super brilliant.
189 AVENSAB727 : TK comes to IAH next Monday! And so does UA's third LHR frequency with its reconned 763s!
190 Post contains images IAHFLYR : Runways do not "close" due to ATC staffing, only the airport operator in this case HAS has the ability to open/close a runway. ATC staffing can/will
191 slider : Unknown as of now. Lot of horsetrading going on with gates at Term A.....TBD.
192 Schweigend : Wonderful! I've long thought that the Texas treasure that is Whataburger should have outlets at the airport, to give visitors some "local color" and
193 IAH59 : I do know that in the new terminal B they will have Starbucks, Famous Famiglia Pizzeria, I-accessories, Brookstone, body shop like L'occitane, couple
194 Post contains images IAHFLYR : Or sadly when a fallen warrior has returned via an airline flight. I have an inside source to verify and will do that tonight as long as it isn't "co
195 BA0197 : Actually Spirit now has complete control of A25. A26 has traditioanlly been an AA gate (it has our code) and we use it for our RON aircraft every nig
196 Post contains links AVENSAB727 : http://texasleftist.blogspot.com/201...s-air-war-is-apparently-over.html. quotes: But now that the deeds are done, both Hobby and IAH have continued t
197 Post contains images TWA772LR : I'm a fan of their breakfast toquitos, myself! There is a set of double doors in A south that literally lead to no where but a 20 foot drop to the ra
198 BA0197 : It is supposed to be gate A28 and is obviouslly between the two AA gates. Gate 27 has a swingable jetbridge and as such we can park two aircraft by s
199 TWA772LR : Thanks for the info! I've always wondered what it was!
200 drerx7 : Really? Which flights and I wonder what motivated that?
201 Post contains links IAH59 : I guess your rumor is true about opening a Whataburger in IAH. http://www.selfopportunity.com/jobs....ataburger/Houston/TX/77090/ID=8574
202 Post contains images toxtethogrady : Now the whole world can taste the creations of the Whataburger Institute of Technology!
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