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Future Of IAH Part 3  
User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4391 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 12198 times:
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The previous thread was over 250 replies, so please continue the discussion here.

Previous Part 2:
Future Of IAH #2 (by iowaman Dec 23 2012 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently onlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3940 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 12192 times:

Wow, never seen an IAH themed thread go beyond 35-40 posts, much less 3 pages.


"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineCalebWilliams From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 12176 times:

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 1):
Wow, never seen an IAH themed thread go beyond 35-40 posts, much less 3 pages.

If only we could get that with MSP.



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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3662 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 12162 times:

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 1):
Wow, never seen an IAH themed thread go beyond 35-40 posts, much less 3 pages.

If we cut out the unnecessary fluff in the 2 previous threads, we would have seen 35 decent posts!   



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User currently onlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3940 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 12124 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 3):
If we cut out the unnecessary fluff in the 2 previous threads, we would have seen 35 decent posts!

Agreed, a lot of superfluous, repetitive fluff in the last two (I suspect I am a bit guilty).



"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6124 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 12082 times:

From the previous thread:
"How come on BA.com its cheaper to take IAH-DFW-LHR vs IAH-LHR? Same with United IAH-EWR-LHR.
Can someone please explain to me why these non - stop tickets are cheaper vs the non stop tickets?"

Yield management.....they figure if you are willing to make a connection, you are more price sensitive.

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 4):
Agreed, a lot of superfluous, repetitive fluff in the last two (I suspect I am a bit guilty).

Yeah, me too..but that is what makes it fun.



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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1915 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 12036 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 5):
Yield

This noob question, but what are yields? And how are they figured out?



Go coogs! \n//
User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 12017 times:

I think it UA will put the 787 on the IAH-LHR route in the future.


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User currently onlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2285 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 11997 times:

I hadnt checked the previous thread, but why does it seem that IAH for UA hasnt gained any traction as a southern mega hub in the way DFW(AA) and ATL(DL) have for their respective airlines? I was encouraged when my hometown market of CID gained IAH service after the merger and thought it would be on par with the aforementioned competing airlines with their southern hubs. UA is a very strong brand in markets like CID and others in the upper midwest and it seemed natural to connect the dots from their strong markets to the new IAH hub. But IAH never really caught on. CID is ending, the only other mid sized markets in the upper midwest(outside of major ones like MSP/ORD/MKE etc) UA connects to IAH are DSM and OMA. Contrast that to AA at DFW who has FAR/FSD/OMA/DSM/CID/MLI/MSN/PIA/CMI/BMI/SPI/GRI etc etc. Why cant IAH work like that?

User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 11982 times:

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 8):

I think because UA is happy where IAH stands today.



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User currently offlineCOflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 11956 times:

CIDFlyer-

My guesses are;

1) DFW is better located to offer connections from Midwestern + Great Plains airports. IAH is quite a bit further South.

2) DFW is more connected to the economies in the Midwest + Great Plains. It's a regional banking, retail, and domestic trade powerhouse. It also tends to draw people from Oklahoma, Kansas, Arkansas, Iowa, Missouri as a place to move which helps with O&D.

3) AA has always been a much larger player than CO.

4) The Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex is larger. It has around 600,000 more residents.


User currently offlineBA0197 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2011, 309 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11897 times:

From the previous thread:
You think they'll build an Ad-Club at IAH?

As it stands no, at least for now. However there are some rumours going around staff as to the possibility of it. The old AC is still unoccupied and right next to the AA gates (and because I know someone will want to know, quite near the US gates as well). We will see if AA will reopen it after the rebrand etc.... there is also the possibly of a joint BA-AA lounge (see DEN or PHL) on the odd chance that AA is deemed to move to terminal D after its refurbishment (which IMHO, is the possibility with the greatest chance of us having a lounge at IAH).

Aren't these 77Ls?

Apologies, of course they are.

How come on BA.com its cheaper to take IAH-DFW-LHR vs IAH-LHR? Same with United IAH-EWR-LHR.
Can someone please explain to me why these non - stop tickets are cheaper vs the non stop tickets?

BA yields on this route are amazing. They do not want to dilute them and fill them with cheaper seats that could have been taken by more expensive customers, so they route them on AA through DFW (as DFW was essentially made into a oneworld connection hub). BA will be very reasonable if an onward connection is attached (ex: IAH-LHR-CDG/AMS/MAD etc)

What will happen to the old signage? Do you know, by chance, if there is any old TWA signage? Like in a storage area perhaps?

I assume it will be scrapped. There is no longer, to my knowledge, and old TWA signage at IAH. Our operations room was the last place where there was some old remains, but it has been rearranged with a slight makeover some time ago.


User currently onlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 11833 times:

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 11):
You think they'll build an Ad-Club at IAH?

As it stands no, at least for now. However there are some rumours going around staff as to the possibility of it. The old AC is still unoccupied and right next to the AA gates (and because I know someone will want to know, quite near the US gates as well). We will see if AA will reopen it after the rebrand etc.... there is also the possibly of a joint BA-AA lounge (see DEN or PHL) on the odd chance that AA is deemed to move to terminal D after its refurbishment (which IMHO, is the possibility with the greatest chance of us having a lounge at IAH).



Thanks for answering my question. I hadn't realised the old one was still around at IAH.
I'm not an AA/oneworld guy so forgive me but...can AA pax use the BA lounges in D presuming they had the time to take the elevated train? What are the normal requirments to get in?



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User currently offlineBA0197 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2011, 309 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11809 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 12):
Thanks for answering my question. I hadn't realised the old one was still around at IAH.
I'm not an AA/oneworld guy so forgive me but...can AA pax use the BA lounges in D presuming they had the time to take the elevated train? What are the normal requirments to get in?

Now, only non-AA oneworld Saphire or Emeralds are allowed to do so. EX: A QF Emerald travelling IAH-DFW can access the BA F lounge (BA have a Galleries First and Galleries Club lounges at IAH). There is also a station arrangement where, if you have come off a BA flight and travelled in F or CW, you can access the BA lounge if connecting on AA.

Typical AC rules when travelling domestically:
Have an AC account
AAirpass or Concerige Key Member
Connecting from a BA (or AA coded oneworld flight) on the same day and were travelling in Business class (if in F class one is entitled to use the Flagship lounge) (even if connecting flight is in Y)
Are a non-AA oneworld Sapphire or Emerald frequent flyer (Non-AA emeralds allowed access to Flagship lounge)
Are travelling F on a transcon (entitled to use Flagship lounge) or J (entitled to use AC)


At IAH the rules would be the ones stated above. There are different rules that can be applicable to many people around the US (example: Transcon F allows AC access) and when you factor in the Flagship lounges (for people travelling in international F or non-AA oneworld Emeralds) it does get to be quite a mess.


Typical AC rules when travelling internationally:
Have an AC account
AAirpass of Concierge Key
Oneworld Sapphire or Emerald, as well as AA equivalents (Emeralds, including AA Emeralds are allowed to use the Flagship lounge)
Connecting from a BA (or AA coded oneworld flight) on the same day and were travelling n Business class (if in F class one is entitled to use the Flagship lounge) (even if connecting flight is in Y)
Travelling Flagship F (entitled to use Flagship lounge), travelling regular F (entitled to use AC), or travelling in J (entitled to use AC)

AA/BA have opened joint lounges at several stations including DEN and PHL where both airlines use the lounge. BA pax as well as BA elites (even if travelling on AA) get access to free better booze and better food while AA AC pax have to pay for the better drinks and food. Normal food and drink is free for everyone.


Hope I haven't messed anything up   Basically an AC at IAH would serve a puropse for AC account holders, non-AA oneworld elite pax, CK members, and people that have connected from BA (and soon QR) that would have been granted lounge access by the oneworld airline that they took into IAH.

[Edited 2013-01-18 22:05:58]

User currently onlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11788 times:

thanks for that. You see the volume in your daily duties I presume, so do you think it would be popular with the local AA FFlyer base, or do they all time there business to not spend much time at Term A?


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6124 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11707 times:

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 10):
4) The Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex is larger. It has around 600,000 more residents.

Wait till the Houston-Dallas "I am bigger than you are" get ahold of this statement
  

I think when we last left that fight...Houston was ahead



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User currently offlineBA0197 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2011, 309 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11666 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 14):
thanks for that. You see the volume in your daily duties I presume, so do you think it would be popular with the local AA FFlyer base, or do they all time there business to not spend much time at Term A?

Well, I do know that we get a LOT of BA/QF elite passengers (around 150-250 a day). We have AC account holders that ask if we have a lounge.

The problem I see with AA opening up a lounge is: What is there incentive?
Yes, it would serve a purpose for people holding AC accounts, non-AA oneworld elites (of which gives absolutely no money additional money to AA other than their ticket price, plus those pax are eligible for free better food and booze, meanwhile AAs own elites do not get access), people that have come into IAH on BA (and soon QR) where their respective class of service on the airline that brought them to IAH is applicable for lounge use, and I suppose people connecting onto AA/BA International F (Flagship or not) or J (which would be about 50-100 people a day). I just do not see a revenue incentive because the only way AA would be able to make-up from the operating cost of the lounge would be the people whom have purchased AC accounts (or bought a one day AC pass). That is the question: Can AA earn a profit from operating an AC at IAH without increasing premium fares on connecting oneworld elite and premium itineraries and from AC account holders and day pass options?

Yes, it would be nice for the non-AA oneworld elite member, International connecting pax travelling in F or J, and people coming from/connecting to a BA flights etc.. But its operating costs must be compensated by additional revenue to allow the facility to operate without being a burden on AA.

This is why a joint AA/BA lounge is so attractive. Although on reflection, the destinations that AA/BA have done that, there seems to only be one (or two) BA departures where BA sends its 3-class (772 or 763) birds (without F) to. On reflection IAH has two BA lounges, a F and a Club one. So IAH is probably too high yielding on BA's part to have a joint lounge, and the lounges would be extraordinarily crowded during the times of a BA departure. Although, now that you have me thinking, the former LH lounge is right next to the BA club lounge and it could be combined to make a larger Club lounge. That would be the only way it would work for BA and AA. AA eligable F pax would just use the BA F lounge. But my speculation is probably in vain, as we don't even operate out of TD, so I am purely basing a presumption on another.

Short, answer no. (My fun speculation of the day)


User currently offlineCOflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 11600 times:

The City of Houston has about 1 million more residents than the City of Dallas. That said, DFW Metroplex is bigger than the Greater Houston area by around 600,000.

The Houston area has 4 cities with over 100,000 people as of right now (Houston, Pasadena, Pearland, and The Woodlands). You could add the unincorporated Cypress area to this list.

Meanwhile, here's the count up in DFW- Dallas, Fort Worth, Arlington, Irving, Grand Prairie, Richardson, Carrollton, Garland, Mesquite, Plano, Allen, McKinney, Denton, Frisco, and Lewisville.

The suburbs up North are massive.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7578 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 11593 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 5):

That's a very simple and incorrect answer to the question.

I just reviewed the fare basis for BA's IAH-DFW-LHR vs BA IAH-LHR nonstop and the fares are identical.

The only way the connection in DFW is cheaper has to do with availability.

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 10):

That's exactly why.

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 3):
Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 4):

The amount of ignorance and lack of hard data in the IAH threads has been staggering. Not much concrete. just three threads of an IAH wish list.



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User currently offlinePbb152 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 614 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11495 times:

The goofy posts by IAH59 and AVENSAB727 are the main reason that most intelligent and reasonable Houston aviation fans do not post on this or most other Houston threads. They just completely ruin the threads with their unsubstantiated posts and repeat statements and questions. It is mind numbing reading these. A conversation between IAH59 and AVENSAB727 reminds me of an episode of Beavis and Butthead.

User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6124 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11432 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 18):
The only way the connection in DFW is cheaper has to do with availability

Yes, exactly..that is part of yield management. The more seats you have available, the lower you may have to go to sell them all.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7578 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11423 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 20):

Ok, but that isn't really that relevant to the example you provided. BA doesn't hold back seats on their IAH flights nor thir DFW flight. The only exceptions are furring special high travel occasions. The only carriers that routinely have to hold back seats for the sake of driving up fares out of IAH (and do it routinely and successfully) are KL and (recently) SQ. BA does not.

Unless you can back it up with data, don't bother.



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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3662 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11355 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 18):
The amount of ignorance and lack of hard data in the IAH threads has been staggering.
Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 19):
It is mind numbing reading these. A conversation between IAH59 and AVENSAB727 reminds me of an episode of Beavis and Butthead.

  

         (While I'm still prolonging the dreams that Santa does exist for UA and IAH.)



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11200 times:

On Wednesday I saw a Express Jet with the Continental livery on it still at IAH.

User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11152 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 23):

Really cool, soon that name will be gone along with the United tulip.



Always look on the bright side of Life!
User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1915 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11199 times:

Is there a way to tell when the next Antonov, or any Soviet, aircraft is going to come in? Is there a website that tells you where and when the AN-225 is going to be?


Go coogs! \n//
User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11041 times:

Just checked on Turkish Airlines website this evening as my wife and I are planning a trip back to Europe in late August. I must say that Turkish is definately looking to promote the Houston service to the MAX with its promotional fares! IAH - IST for Spring into early Summer is on offer for $599 r/t (taxes included )!!! This is arguably a good option to get into Europe on the cheap if one is targeting C. Europe (ie: Baltic / Adriatic countries, Greece, Russia etc.) by way of a low cost carrier out of IST. These fares are what I experienced mainly in my college years (mid to late 1990's) pre-Sept. 11th ...

User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11229 times:

Just checked on Turkish Airlines website this evening as my wife and I are planning a trip back to Europe in late August. I must say that Turkish is definately looking to promote the Houston service to the MAX with its promotional fares! IAH - IST for Spring into early Summer is on offer for $599 r/t (taxes included )!!! This is arguably a good option to get into Europe on the cheap if one is targeting C. Europe (ie: Baltic / Adriatic countries, Greece, Russia etc.) by way of a low cost carrier out of IST. These fares are what I experienced mainly in my college years (mid to late 1990's) pre-Sept. 11th ...

User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11145 times:

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 27):

Wow very nice please update us on your journey experience with Turkish from IAH.


User currently offlineshanderawx From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10977 times:
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A Japanese firm is prpoposing building with private funds rapid rail between Houston and Dallas. Do members think this will significantly impact the use of our airports?

http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/pr...dallas-to-houston-in.html?page=all

If built, 2024 is the earliest it will be available, I suppose my nursing home buddies and I can make an outing and take it!


User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1915 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10920 times:

Quoting shanderawx (Reply 29):
rapid rail between Houston and Dallas

I'd say a snowball has a much better chance in Hell than this project coming true. Texas, along with almost all of the US, is almost completely anti-rail, unless it's cargo. Not only that but AA, possibly UA, and most of all WN will lobby totally against this. In fact, a few years ago, WN practically single-handed kill another proposal like this one.



Go coogs! \n//
User currently onlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10787 times:

Quoting shanderawx (Reply 29):
A Japanese firm is prpoposing building with private funds rapid rail between Houston and Dallas. Do members think this will significantly impact the use of our airports?

It would be nice if it happened but will most likely get killed by WN and the land lobby in the state, the same people that killed the high speed rail project in the late 80s/early 90s.

There is still an open commuter rail prop on the books for a line between Houston and Austin that is not dead yet..officially at least.



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10786 times:

Murphy Deli will replace Gordon Galley at IAH Terminal E.

User currently offlineBA0197 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2011, 309 posts, RR: 1
Reply 33, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10694 times:

Quoting shanderawx (Reply 29):
A Japanese firm is prpoposing building with private funds rapid rail between Houston and Dallas. Do members think this will significantly impact the use of our airports?

Although I personally am in favour of this move (I'm from the North and lived in the UK for the vast majority of my life), I doubt it will even be given proper consideration. This is Texas we are "talkin" about and there is a considerable amount of people that think rail would not be very "American" for lack of a better phrase. I also doubt that the firm that would build this project would build a rail line without government aid and funding. Here, people just tend to use their cars more. Look at our transport. It sucks, and the metro rail line extention is far too little and too late. Houston will never see the rails systems that New England sees, although, in my opinion, it could well use it.

Short answer to your question: No.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 32):
Murphy Deli will replace Gordon Galley at IAH Terminal E.

Great. :/


User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1915 posts, RR: 1
Reply 34, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10664 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 32):
Murphy Deli
Quoting BA0197 (Reply 33):
Great.

Actually, it's going to be McAlister's Deli.



Go coogs! \n//
User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1915 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10659 times:

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 33):

Regarding the issue of trains, it has been tossed around in the state legislature before, but with WN being around much longer than that idea and since they are one of the most powerful companies in the US, they tend to have a lot of say, especially since they are based in Texas. I wouldn't mind a train since I live in Houston and go to school in Arlington, os if this train would go from Houston-Arlington, and then split in Arlington and go one way to Dallas and Ft. Worth in each direction, that would be a nice, relaxing alternative to driving and flying.

But my love for aviation and I want to be a pilot for UA one day, that tells me to speak against it. So I am torn on the issue.         

Now for metro rail, the whole reason why they made that was for the Superbowl. But they are expanding it. I think the best idea is to run the rail from The Woodlands-IAH-Downtown-Hobby-Galveston and some places in between like Metro Park&Rides, and convert the HOV lanes on the highways into tracks for the train. Then have a east/west line go from UofH/TSU-Downtown-Reliant-Galleria. But people won't do it because it's an idea that is good, makes sense, and will work.



Go coogs! \n//
User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10673 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 34):

Oh cause I got an email from the Concession company that runs the concession at Terminal E informing employee's of the closure of Gordon Galley and Murphy's Deli will take there place.


User currently offlineatct From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2287 posts, RR: 38
Reply 37, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10622 times:

Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 19):
The goofy posts by IAH59 and AVENSAB727 are the main reason that most intelligent and reasonable Houston aviation fans do not post on this or most other Houston threads

  

I try to skip their posts and read the useful posts. Congrats IAH'ers on the new Air China route!

ATCT
Formerly of IAH Tower



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10375 times:

Anybody know why AF636 was canceled today? Also saw that they put new T.V monitors at Terminal D at the check in counter and Art work around the airport.

User currently offlineBA0197 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2011, 309 posts, RR: 1
Reply 39, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10246 times:

Spirit is launching IAH-LAX with daily service on April 25. Departure time of 21:05, arrival back into IAH at 04:50

http://ir.spirit.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=736784

Terrible AC usage. I wonder if they plan to launch another route?

I am surprised to see them expanding this fast TBH. They have entered into IAH-ORD (UA hubs, and AA hub at ORD), IAH-DFW (UA hub at IAH and AA hub at DFW) and now IAH-LAX (both AA and UA hubs). I can assure you that our loads on these flights (AA) have not deminished at all. This tells me that Spirit is attracting passengers who previously could not afford to travel by air. They are being quite bold, however I don't think that there flights, right now, pose any significant threat to AA or UA.

I just hope that they stay at gate A25, or else AA will have no where to put is AC in the case of disruption.


User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10102 times:

Wow nice for Spirit Airlines. Cal Jet is now cutting off Houston off there map on 2/5/2013.

User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 41, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10074 times:

Sucks about CalJet. I think some other airline will replace them.


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User currently offlinehohd From United States of America, joined May 2008, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10099 times:

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 11):

The late evening flight IAH-LHR has terrible loads, last week it was 130 passengers and in early December it was routinely less than 50%. I travelled on one flight and had 3 seats to myself in the back.


User currently offlineBA0197 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2011, 309 posts, RR: 1
Reply 43, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10033 times:

Quoting hohd (Reply 42):
The late evening flight IAH-LHR has terrible loads, last week it was 130 passengers and in early December it was routinely less than 50%. I travelled on one flight and had 3 seats to myself in the back.

Well, yes. I was more refering to adding a 3rd frequency during the summer (where the loads are often 100% (94% average load during JUN-AUG). Yet, I can assure you that the flights are high yielding, a better indicator of profatability for airlines, not frequency.


User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6799 posts, RR: 34
Reply 44, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10026 times:

Quoting shanderawx (Reply 29):
A Japanese firm is prpoposing building with private funds rapid rail between Houston and Dallas. Do members think this will significantly impact the use of our airports?

http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/pr...dallas-to-houston-in.html?page=all

If built, 2024 is the earliest it will be available, I suppose my nursing home buddies and I can make an outing and take it!

No way in hell it ever happens.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 35):
I think the best idea is to run the rail from The Woodlands-IAH-Downtown-Hobby-Galveston and some places in between like Metro Park&Rides, and convert the HOV lanes on the highways into tracks for the train. Then have a east/west line go from UofH/TSU-Downtown-Reliant-Galleria. But people won't do it because it's an idea that is good, makes sense, and will work.

I'm glad you're not an urban planner.

The Metro Park & Ride in Houston has some of the highest ridership rates in the COUNTRY. You don't just raze them for a railbed. No way in hell. It's FAR more cost advantageous to have the existing nice coach buses running people on multiple lines today and do so with damn good frequency. This rail stuff is all well and good, but it's a money loser, it's capital intensive and the ROI is horrid. This is not SimCity--this is real life.

Moreover, Houston itself lacks the population density for light rail in almost any conduit other than the usual daily rush hour inbound/outbound--but that is NOT in and of itself enough to justify on any grounds light rail. I'm a proponent of it in some limited cases, but this fascination with choo-choos is misplaced in almost every city it's discussed.

Would I love a Woodlands-IAH-downtown-HOU-Galveston run? Sure--that'd be sweet. But it's untenable from a financial standpoint.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6124 posts, RR: 2
Reply 45, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9973 times:

Quoting slider (Reply 44):
Would I love a Woodlands-IAH-downtown-HOU-Galveston run? Sure--that'd be sweet. But it's untenable from a financial standpoint.

Make it Katy/downtown/HOU/Galveston instead please!



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User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 46, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9956 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 45):

I would really love that too!!



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9940 times:

Should make a metro around the Beltway 8 or the new highway 99. I think the paxs on the 2nd British Airways flight are low right now because its not peak season a 3rd daily would be nice competing with United 3rd daily add on starting in March.

User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (1 year 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 9778 times:

IAH to get free wi fi by the end of the year so no more boingo Wifi. http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/n...irports-to-get-connected-with.html

User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9556 times:

Why was AF639 canceled today? It was also canceled last week as well. Anybody know why?

User currently offlineBA0197 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2011, 309 posts, RR: 1
Reply 50, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9483 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 49):

Asked about the cancelation last week: Lack of sutiable AC, route chosen due to low loads.

Can't be sure about today's cancelation.


User currently onlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3940 posts, RR: 22
Reply 51, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9468 times:

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 50):
Asked about the cancelation last week: Lack of sutiable AC, route chosen due to low loads.

Wow, that's not good. I have heard that amongst the Europeans that service IAH, AF has reported some of the weakest loads over the last few years.



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User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 52, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9431 times:

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 51):

Uh oh, I hope AF doesn't pull out of IAH.



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9428 times:

Yeah I hope Air France doesn't pull out of IAH its nice seeing all the Big European carriers at IAH daily. Before they pull out maybe they should cut there frequency. It must also be due to cause its not peak season so hopefully by the end of April traffic picks up.

User currently offlineCOflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9303 times:

Air France isn't going to pull out of IAH.

AF has been around for a long time. AF offers tons of connections at CDG to places that print money. Loads aren't nearly as important as fares and AF fills the front cabins out of IAH.

Oh, and then there's a little company called Total S.A...


User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 55, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9275 times:

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 54):
Oh, and then there's a little company called Total S.A...


As well as a few others like BNP Paribas, ENSCO, Schlumberger, Air Liquide, & Technip ...


User currently offlineCOflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9275 times:

Exactly. There's a lot of biz travel between Houston and France and even more connecting largely to places in Africa. AF isn't going anywhere because a few days in February have low loads.

Calm down, people.


User currently onlinetoxtethogrady From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9173 times:

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 8):
hadnt checked the previous thread, but why does it seem that IAH for UA hasnt gained any traction as a southern mega hub in the way DFW(AA) and ATL(DL) have for their respective airlines?

Smisek seems to be going against conventional wisdom first employed by Bob Crandall many, many years ago at American. He finds that maintaining a hub is a lower yield proposition than trying to maximize the O&D. Thus, he would rather cut underperforming spokes than try to promote synergy.


User currently onlinetoxtethogrady From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9152 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 15):
Wait till the Houston-Dallas "I am bigger than you are" get ahold of this statement

Too late. The latest Census figures show that spread to be narrower, around 400,000. And the Houston MSA GRP is higher.

There is nothing geographically that favors DFW being a regional powerhouse. There was just a whole lot more effort by the city fathers up north to try to promote the region. We may know in a couple of years if Exxon-Mobil and Chevron locate their corporate headquarters to Houston whether the city finally gets its due as a hub for Fortune 500's.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7578 posts, RR: 25
Reply 59, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9165 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 53):
Yeah I hope Air France doesn't pull out of IAH its nice seeing all the Big European carriers at IAH daily. Before they pull out maybe they should cut there frequency. It must also be due to cause its not peak season so hopefully by the end of April traffic picks up.
Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 52):
Uh oh, I hope AF doesn't pull out of IAH.

Relax, AF is going to nowhere.

Dont expect to see an A380 on IAH-CDG, but AF will be at IAH for many years to come.

Quoting toxtethogrady (Reply 57):
He finds that maintaining a hub is a lower yield proposition than trying to maximize the O&D.

Yes and no. For the most part, O&D traffic is high yielding than connections. That said without hubs IAH, DFW, ATL, ORD, DTW, and MSP would have a fraction of the service they currently have. To match the specific example you are refering to, the local market from IAH to the Midsized and small Midwestern towns and cities is very small. To go further on that, those cities dont have large markets to Latin America either. Beyond that, the yields on those are not even good. Its just harder to make a market like IAH-CID work vs. ATL-CID or DFW-CID.



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9068 times:

Why was there a Lufthansa Airbus 330 I think landing this evening?

User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 61, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9053 times:

Have any of you noticed that most of the Company videos by UA are mostly filmed in IAH? And their commercials too. Seems like UA is giving IAH a lot of attention. Check out the video section of:

hub.united.com



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9035 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 61):

Yeah they shooted a video last month at IAH Terminal E.


User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 63, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9040 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 62):

New routes could be coming soon, too!



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9021 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 64):

Yeah hopefully an international route like Auckland or Santiago or somewhere else.


User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9031 times:

San Antonio celebrity chef Johnny Hernandez is opening a restaurant in the renovated part of Terminal B which will be opening on April 1st, 2013. Restaurant name is "The Fruteria.

http://houston.culturemap.com/newsde...ng-the-airport-an-expansion-boost/


User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9001 times:

By the end of 2013 IAH and HOU should get free Wifi so no more Boingo Hotspot.

User currently offlineCOflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9001 times:

Am I the only one who wonders if IAH59 and Avensa are the same person?

User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 68, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8994 times:

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 68):

We are not. Now please let's go back on topic



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User currently onlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3940 posts, RR: 22
Reply 69, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8987 times:

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 68):
Am I the only one who wonders if IAH59 and Avensa are the same person?

Nope, you are not, I too have pondered that for about a month now.



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User currently onlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8963 times:

Quoting toxtethogrady (Reply 58):
Houston whether the city finally gets its due as a hub for Fortune 500's.

It is second to New York city already.


IAH posted the 2012 int'l numbers. Record year. 8.7mil int'l pax.

Could 2013 hit 9mil with the AirChina and TK routes? Eitherway it is more ammo for building a much better terminal D.



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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1915 posts, RR: 1
Reply 71, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8898 times:

How come hardly any other South American airlines have served IAH? The only ones I can think of are VASP and the Venezuelan one thats not around anymore. If IAH-SCL is a big market, then how come LAN hasn't made a move? I remember seeing their 763Fs come in when I was a kid. How about Varig, Transbrasil, Conviasa, or *A buddies Tam and Avianca? Avianca's absence is what really gets me... Is it because CO/UA was/were too huge for the routes and muscled everyone out? Or were they just a perfect fit?


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User currently onlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3940 posts, RR: 22
Reply 72, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8908 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 72):
How come hardly any other South American airlines have served IAH? The only ones I can think of are VASP and the Venezuelan one thats not around anymore. If IAH-SCL is a big market, then how come LAN hasn't made a move? I remember seeing their 763Fs come in when I was a kid. How about Varig, Transbrasil, Conviasa, or *A buddies Tam and Avianca? Avianca's absence is what really gets me... Is it because CO/UA was/were too huge for the routes and muscled everyone out? Or were they just a perfect fit?

Continental/United....! They pretty much own IAH- Latin America.

As far as I know, no Brazilian carrier (VASP, Varig, ect......unless you want to count Varig's cargo operation, Varilog and their short stint here ) ever served IAH. The only South American carrier that had served IAH was Venezuela's now defunct VIASA. The other Latins were TACA, Aviteca, Shasa from Central America, Aeromexico, AeroExo, Aviasca and one or two other small Mexican carriers and from my time in Houston, and of course the Caribbean which saw Air Jamaica and Cayman, now gone.

To date, we see 3 Latin carriers at IAH, Aeromexico, Viva Aerobus and TACA

I agree, I am disappointed to see so few Latin carriers, but with that 600lb gorilla United in charge, I suspect that few carriers from South Of The Border, will want to rumble.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7578 posts, RR: 25
Reply 73, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8826 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 72):
If IAH-SCL is a big market, then how come LAN hasn't made a move?

Because IAH-SCL is a tiny market. Its 11 passengers a day.



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User currently offlinePbb152 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 614 posts, RR: 2
Reply 74, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8791 times:

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 68):

Am I the only one who wonders if IAH59 and Avensa are the same person?


No you aren't the only one. Their posts are equally inane and devoid of substance or facts. AVENSAB727 reminds me of one of those dolls where you pull the string and there are 5 canned things it says over and over and over and over. We need to market the AVENSAB727 doll. Pull the string and you get the following canned statements:

- UA is right sizing at IAH
- UA is not mad at Houston
- I bet IAH gets more routes soon
- I wonder if UA will start new 787 routes from IAH
- I wonder which airline will start service to IAH next.

And repeat.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17445 posts, RR: 46
Reply 75, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8805 times:

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 54):
Air France isn't going to pull out of IAH.

AF has been around for a long time. AF offers tons of connections at CDG to places that print money. Loads aren't nearly as important as fares and AF fills the front cabins out of IAH.

Oh, and then there's a little co

AF is down to 5/wk, w/o UA YOY. Not a good sign.



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5247 posts, RR: 25
Reply 76, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8807 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 76):
AF is down to 5/wk, w/o UA YOY. Not a good sign.

I recall several years ago reading that IAH was a loss-maker for AF, but that they kept it around because of all the connections they get to Africa, particularly LOS. This was several years ago, so things may have changed, but I doubt that given that the route is now down to 5/wk. Also, UA's IAH-LOS can't be helping them.



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User currently offlinehohd From United States of America, joined May 2008, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8718 times:

AF now has routinely cheapest fares to India or Middle East (up to early June, only about 850 RT), which is significantly lower than any airline. So may be loads are light, but as long as yields are good, this route is safe.

User currently offlinest530 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8675 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 76):
AF is down to 5/wk, w/o UA YOY. Not a good sign.

Is this seasonal or year-round?


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17445 posts, RR: 46
Reply 79, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8668 times:

Quoting st530 (Reply 79):
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 76):
AF is down to 5/wk, w/o UA YOY. Not a good sign.

Is this seasonal or year-round?

Seasonal last I saw.

Quoting hohd (Reply 78):

AF now has routinely cheapest fares to India or Middle East (up to early June, only about 850 RT), which is significantly lower than any airline. So may be loads are light, but as long as yields are good, this route is safe.


As you mentioned the yields are probably to blame, as their LF has been average for IAH



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8673 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 71):
IAH posted the 2012 int'l numbers. Record year. 8.7mil int'l pax.

Could 2013 hit 9mil with the AirChina and TK routes? Eitherway it is more ammo for building a much better terminal D.

Probably can hit it with Turkish Airline and Air China coming to IAH also with those flights bring in connections through IAH.
Also with United adding another daily from IAH to LHR. As well with Domestic carriers such as American and Spirit adding destinations to IAH. Houston traffic will boom.


User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8657 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 76):
AF is down to 5/wk, w/o UA YOY. Not a good sign.

According to KLM.com Air France and KLM both airlines have 7 flights a week to IAH.


User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 82, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8657 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 81):

Agreed, and once Terminal B gets finished.



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8639 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 83):

I guess cause it will have more space so you can allow more traffic to flow.


User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8644 times:

Well so far a lot traffic has been coming through IAH cause of Superbowl, Madi Gras, NBA all star game, and, Houston Rodeo. Then next year will before the Olympics.

User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5174 posts, RR: 8
Reply 85, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8637 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 85):
Well so far a lot traffic has been coming through IAH cause of Superbowl, Madi Gras, NBA all star game, and, Houston Rodeo. Then next year will before the Olympics.

Those events you mentioned really are drop in the bucket in terms of pax traffic at IAH...minor blips. Overall they will not add much to the bottom line in terms of traffic. Its the offshore tech conference that bolsters all the international carriers in the spring year over year.



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8629 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 86):

Ok just listing some stuff that will bring in more traffic to IAH


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 87, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8598 times:

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 73):
Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 72):
How come hardly any other South American airlines have served IAH? The only ones I can think of are VASP and the Venezuelan one thats not around anymore. If IAH-SCL is a big market, then how come LAN hasn't made a move? I remember seeing their 763Fs come in when I was a kid. How about Varig, Transbrasil, Conviasa, or *A buddies Tam and Avianca? Avianca's absence is what really gets me... Is it because CO/UA was/were too huge for the routes and muscled everyone out? Or were they just a perfect fit?

Continental/United....! They pretty much own IAH- Latin America

  

A very similar dynamic exists just up the freeway at DFW. Texas - South America simply does not have a lot of demand (although there are a few exceptions), so they have to rely on lower yielding connections to fill the plane.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7578 posts, RR: 25
Reply 88, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8525 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 88):
A very similar dynamic exists just up the freeway at DFW. Texas - South America simply does not have a lot of demand (although there are a few exceptions), so they have to rely on lower yielding connections to fill the plane.

Yep. If were talking deep South America, the only sizable markets are IAH-GIG/EZE and DFW-GRU/EZE.

Northern South America is pretty much IAH-BOG/CCS/LIM. I would imagine DFW-BOG/LIM will grow a fair amount when AA starts them, but the markets still arent going to be big.

The really big South America markets are pretty much on the East Coast, California, ORD-GRU and IAH-GIG.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6124 posts, RR: 2
Reply 89, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8498 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 72):
vianca's absence is what really gets me.

You will have AV next month once the integration of TA in AV is complete....



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User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 90, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8477 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 90):
Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 72):
vianca's absence is what really gets me.

You will have AV next month once the integration of TA in AV is complete....

Yes, but at the end of the day isn't this STILL a TACA service (under combined airline new name Avianca) routing as a connection through El Salvador for Cali? The only thing that changes is the name to Avianca, correct?

“Los aeropuertos tienen que crecer en servicios”: Presidente de Avianca
La demanda de turistas ha hecho que los terminales se queden cortos en servicio, dice el presidente de Avianca, Fabio Villegas. La aerolínea fue elegida como la mejor de América Latina. Este año incorpora 7 nuevos aviones.
Por: Henry Delgado Henao, editor de Activos. Lunes, Febrero 4, 2013
http://www.elpais.com.co/elpais/econ...recer-servicios-presidente-avianca

Por ejemplo, atendimos una solicitud que nos habían hecho los usuarios de Cali. Querían tener nuevas rutas pero sin pasar por Bogotá, y fue así como pusimos una conexión directa entre Cali - Cartagena y Cali –Barranquilla. Más adelante conectaremos también a Cali con El Salvador para tener opciones de conectividad hacia Norteamérica en vuelos que no estamos haciendo a través de Bogotá o de Cali, como San Francisco, Los Angeles y Houston, así como Toronto, en Canadá. Igualmente pensamos en la conexión de Cali con Lima para llegar a destinos de Suramérica que no cubrimos desde Bogotá. ¿En otras palabras, están abriendo nuevas rutas?

Bing Translation (below):
For example, we attended a request that users of Cali had made to us. They wanted to have new routes but without passing through Bogota, and was as well as we put a direct link between Cali - Cali - Barranquilla and Cartagena. We will later connect to Cali with El Salvador to have connectivity to North America options on flights that we are not making through Bogota and Cali, as San Francisco, Los Angeles and Houston, as well as Toronto in Canada. We also think in Cali with file connection to reach destinations in South America that we don't cover from Bogota.
In other words, are they opening new routes?


User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 91, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8434 times:

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 91):

I wonder why Taca doesn't operate flights from San Jose, CR to IAH be good profitable route.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17445 posts, RR: 46
Reply 92, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8316 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 92):
I wonder why Taca doesn't operate flights from San Jose, CR to IAH be good profitable route.

It would have to be mostly local traffic, whereas TA can flow lots of traffic beyond SAL, and UA flies up to 4-5 IAHSJO trips



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8193 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 93):
It would have to be mostly local traffic, whereas TA can flow lots of traffic beyond SAL, and UA flies up to 4-5 IAHSJO trips

That makes sense then split the traffic like that Taca does all the Central/South America routes while United does all the North American and on wards traffic.


User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 94, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8038 times:

http://houston.culturemap.com/newsde...h-3rd-bar-with-celeb-chef-power-1/

Another dine in restaurant/bar at IAH will be located in Terminal B the new part of Terminal B. Restaurant name: The Reef.


User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 95, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8021 times:

Some changes that are suppose to happen to IAH rental car area.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fit...evs-at-a-outlook-stable-2013-02-01


User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3662 posts, RR: 5
Reply 96, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8002 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 95):
Restaurant name: The Reef.

Wrong! Did you not carefully read the article you posted? The name of the dining establishment soon to be in Terminal B will be called "3rd Bar Eating House" whose proprietors is Chef Bryan Caswell known for his Midtown Houston restaurant named Reef, as well as El Real Tex-Mex Cafe and Lil Bigs.



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7991 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 97):

Sorry about that, great news for Terminal B though. I wonder what shops will open up as well in Terminal B.


User currently offlineiad51fl From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 354 posts, RR: 3
Reply 98, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7848 times:

With the upcoming merger of AA/US... and the two operations using 7 of the gates in the South Concourse of Terminal A... is that going to push out F9 and NK to give the new AA the entire South Concourse? Currently AA and US have all of their gates full in the morning and 3-4 planes each on hardstands around the terminal. If that happens I could see AA putting in a Admirals Club in one of the open spaces near the center food court area.

As the departures stand now:

CLT - 6
PHX - 4
PHL - 5

DFW - 7
ORD - 4
LAX - 2
MIA - 4

CE



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User currently offlineBA0197 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2011, 309 posts, RR: 1
Reply 99, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7828 times:

Quoting iad51fl (Reply 99):

Well as an AA employee at IAH our schedule is soon to be (starting April 2) on peak days:
DFW-8
MIA-5
ORD-4
LAX-3
JFK-1

We currently use gates 27/29 although we do ron aircraft at 26 and 30(when F9 is not ron). With our extra 2 flights, we were rather hoping that gate 26 would be ours in the near future but the city has installed the new stitchy airlines comupter at 26 (like they have in terminal D). It is my opinion that the end result will be the new AA getting gates 25-30 and F9 and NK being switched to the other side to the South terminal A (both are handled by the same ramp agency as well).

5 gates should be enough as US underutilizes their gates quite a bit at IAH, IMHO (they have 4).

I would also think that we will have to get more ticket counter space and move F9 to where US airways is right now.

I suppose we will soon find out.


User currently onlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3940 posts, RR: 22
Reply 100, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7780 times:

Perhaps I dreamt this, but I seem to recall hearing that a shopping mall was to built somewhere on JFK Blvd, not far from the Rental Car facility.

[Edited 2013-02-13 19:46:46]


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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7775 times:

Air France 639 was canceled today not a good sign.

User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1915 posts, RR: 1
Reply 102, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7778 times:

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 101):
Perhaps I dreamt this, but I seem to recall hearing that a shopping mall was to built somewhere on JFK Blvd, not far from the Rental Car facility.

When I flew into IAH the other day, I saw there were a ton of trees removed near the car rental area, is that retail center really going to happen?

Rule of thumb for construction in the Humble area: A ton of trees removed can mean one of two things, new buildings, or a retention pond!



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 103, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7747 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 103):

They have chopped down to many trees down in IAH/Humble/ Atascocita area.


User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5174 posts, RR: 8
Reply 104, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7694 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 102):

We've addressed this and gone over it ad nauseum. Slow season, enough please.



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7556 times:

I was talking to my friend from Untied and he said that United might cut IAH to FRA soon and put those people on Lufthansa instead :/.

User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1915 posts, RR: 1
Reply 106, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7526 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 106):

I was talking to my friend from Untied and he said that United might cut IAH to FRA soon and put those people on Lufthansa instead :/.

No way in Hell that would happen.



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7483 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 107):

Yeah I didn't believe that either. Spirit also recently there started there service from IAH to LAX.

[Edited 2013-02-16 16:53:16]

User currently offlineiad51fl From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 354 posts, RR: 3
Reply 108, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7469 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 108):
Spirit also recently there started there service from IAH to LAX.

They did? I haven't worked any of those flights in the last 2 weeks. May want to get facts before posting.

Also.... try to put all your ideas into one post instead of 3-4.

Thanks,
CE



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User currently onlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3940 posts, RR: 22
Reply 109, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7459 times:

Quoting iad51fl (Reply 109):
They did? I haven't worked any of those flights in the last 2 weeks. May want to get facts before posting.

Also.... try to put all your ideas into one post instead of 3-4.

Actually he's partially right, NK plans a red-eye LAX flight (LAX-IAH) on the 25th of April.

http://ir.spirit.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=736784



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 110, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7438 times:

Quoting iad51fl (Reply 109):
Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 110):

I meant to say Orlando the LAX flight comes 2 months from now.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6124 posts, RR: 2
Reply 111, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7426 times:

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 101):
Perhaps I dreamt this, but I seem to recall hearing that a shopping mall was to built somewhere on JFK Blvd, not far from the Rental Car facility.

Although it is not as close...perhaps taking a page from MIA with the nearby Dolphin Mall that sees hoardes of latin shoppers....



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7204 times:

On April 9th, 2013 United will resume Houston to Montreal, Canada.

User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 113, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7165 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 113):

Great news for IAH!!



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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5174 posts, RR: 8
Reply 114, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7132 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 114):

Not so fast lol, this comes as AC is discontinuing IAH - YUL.



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User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 115, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7121 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 115):

Oh well, but it is still an addition.



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 116, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7070 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 115):

Air Canada already discontinued Montreal to IAH.


User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6957 times:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/hou...s-and-border-protection-2013-02-20

Houston opens up another global entry office in Houston.


User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1915 posts, RR: 1
Reply 118, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6916 times:

Is this mainline UA restarting IAH-YUL or UAX?


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User currently offlineatct From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2287 posts, RR: 38
Reply 119, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6920 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 119):
Is this mainline UA restarting IAH-YUL or UAX?

Shuttle America E-170



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6782 times:

Quoting atct (Reply 120):

Untied Express.


User currently offlineatct From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2287 posts, RR: 38
Reply 121, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6781 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 121):
Untied Express.

Operated by Shuttle America. Which is an airline that contracts to fly for United as "United Express." They fly little baby 737s called Embraer 170 and Embraer 175's.



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 122, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6769 times:

Terminal B phase 1 will opening up on time so far.

User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 123, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6588 times:

Why did EK 212 stop in Louisville(SDF)?

User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 124, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6423 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 104):
They have chopped down to many trees down in IAH/Humble/ Atascocita area


The summer from hell of a couple of summers back is most likely the reason, many trees died and they need to be cut down.

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 61):
Have any of you noticed that most of the Company videos by UA are mostly filmed in IAH? And their commercials too. Seems like UA is giving IAH a lot of attention. Check out the video section of:


Is that your best guess of IAH getting attention? IAH getting attention from this new UA (next day air) would be increasing flights with mainline aircraft to new destinations, unlike what is happening.

Maybe the advertising and production companies get better rates from the talent agencies here in Houston or, the fact that many of them are done on the 788 and those are based at IAH!



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User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 125, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6377 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 125):

Well, UA is upgauging flights and upgrading Terminal B. IAH-LHR gets a third frequency. Many routes see an up gauge in equipment. And there is the possibility that UA is happy where IAH stands.

I think once Terminal B gets finished. Maybe some new routes will be added.

[Edited 2013-02-25 06:21:40]


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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 126, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6372 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 126):
UA is upgauging flights and upgrading Terminal B. IAH-LHR gets a third frequency.



Terminal B was going to be upgraded before the CO/UA merger regardless of the timing as it has been a rat trap for some time. I don't call getting a B763 (ghetto birds no not) an upgrade to LHR from the CO B772's.

Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 75):
Am I the only one who wonders if IAH59 and Avensa are the same person?



LOL, you are not alone in your thoughts. After attempting to catch up and read these posts it was my thought last night but blamed it on the wine and late night reading.....today no excuse they have to be the same!  

[Edited 2013-02-25 06:38:30]


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User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 127, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6393 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 127):

Wow. It is B763, not B673, get it right. Looks like you are not even aware that the ghetto birds are no longer, they are 3 class, with Global First, Business First, and Economy plus.



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User currently offlineIAHWorldflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6399 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 126):
Well, UA is upgauging flights and upgrading Terminal B. IAH-LHR gets a third frequency

How is adding a third frequency to LHR on a 3 class 763 considered an upgauge? The sCO 77E's that UA would fly on this route if they left things alone have 276 seats with the new lie-flat BusinessFirst layout. The 3 class sUA 763's have 183 seats. 2x 276=552 seats per day. 183x3=549 seats. So it is essentially a wash.
BA puts 569 seats per day on this run using 4 class 744 and 772 aircraft.
I don't subscribe to the meme that UA is ignoring IAH, but please don't see everything they do at IAH or elsewhere through the prism of upgauges and growth.


User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 129, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6375 times:

Quoting IAHWorldflyer (Reply 129):

But isn't Europe's economy down the drain? This could explain the change.



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 130, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6379 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 128):
Wow. It is B763, not B673, get it right. Looks like you are not even aware that the ghetto birds are no longer, they are 3 class, with Global First, Business First, and Economy plus.



I hope you never make a type and hit post prior to proof reading the post!!!! Regardless of typos or not, you knew what was intended and just wanted to make a point.

And no, they will always be ghetto birds with their so called new configuration or not. And no, neither I nor others will think this is an up-gauge.



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User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 131, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6367 times:

Oh well, that is your opinion, I just look at the bright side of things. Regardless or not I think that is cross fleeting. And sCO 772s still fly out of IAH. They fly to GIG, NRT, FRA and AMS soon. So it is not all that bad.

[Edited 2013-02-25 07:04:55]


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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 132, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6353 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 132):
Regardless or not I think that is cross fleeting. And sCO 772s still fly out of IAH. They fly to GIG, NRT, FRA and AMS soon.



LOL, cross fleeting is way over rated first of all, and I'm sure most all of us on here know the CO 772's still fly from IAH on a daily basis.

Don't forget LOS and maybe even MCO today or tomorrow until the B788 gets flying again.



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User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 133, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6343 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 133):

I see your point, there are always pros and cons. I hope the 787 flies ASAP.



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User currently offlineBA0197 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2011, 309 posts, RR: 1
Reply 134, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6339 times:

Quoting IAHWorldflyer (Reply 129):
How is adding a third frequency to LHR on a 3 class 763 considered an upgauge? The sCO 77E's that UA would fly on this route if they left things alone have 276 seats with the new lie-flat BusinessFirst layout. The 3 class sUA 763's have 183 seats. 2x 276=552 seats per day. 183x3=549 seats. So it is essentially a wash.
BA puts 569 seats per day on this run using 4 class 744 and 772 aircraft.
I don't subscribe to the meme that UA is ignoring IAH, but please don't see everything they do at IAH or elsewhere through the prism of upgauges and growth.

+1; I do not see UA's move as a positive one. To be it shows how much ground UA is loosing to BA on the LHR route from IAH (see HAS firgues 2004-2012). It shows to be that they are going to focus on frequency and not product to appeal to the J pax. Everyone knows BA wins on every class in terms of amenities, comfort, food, etc. UA are better that they could make more money by increasing the frequency on the route to compete more effectively with BA.

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 130):
But isn't Europe's economy down the drain? This could explain the change.

No, Europe's economy is not down the drain, but in a period of recession (as were just not too long ago). It is also widely agreed that the economy of the UK is better than Europe (remember the UK is the odd ball, they have Pounds not Euros...etc.). Demand is there, especially with the oil and energy sectors and the traffic generated by it. IAH-LHR, I would guess, is on the top 3 preforming routes from IAH.


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2183 posts, RR: 15
Reply 135, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6276 times:

This was a painful thread to read.


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User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 136, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6280 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 136):

Not all of it is painful, the ones that have to do with the negativity about UA and IAH are quite painful. But I think that is all just a matter of opinion in the end.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17445 posts, RR: 46
Reply 137, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6185 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 127):
Looks like you are not even aware that the ghetto birds are no longer, they are 3 class, with Global First, Business First, and Economy plus.

Have you been inside one? And past J? They may not be a ghetto bird so much as demi-ghetto bird.



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User currently offlineIAHWorldflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 138, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6138 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 137):

Have you been inside one? And past J? They may not be a ghetto bird so much as demi-ghetto bird.

True that! So far this year I have been on both the 3 class 763's and 2 class 763's. From the point of view of someone not sitting in F, the 2 class version is nicer. The 3 class former ghetto birds in coach lack AVOD, lack in seat power, and have tiny screens, along with bulky AV boxes under the A and J seats. This may be a step up from what they were before te retro-fit, but they certainly are not state of the art considering the competition.
The 2 class planes have 10" screens with AVOD, in seat power, and no boxes on the floor in Y.
So the product offering in a downgrade from what was available in Y on the sCO 77E's that used to ply the IAH-LHR route.


User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3662 posts, RR: 5
Reply 139, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6065 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 136):
Not all of it is painful, the ones that have to do with the negativity about UA and IAH are quite painful.


        

No reading the banal posts done by you and IAH59 just kill any decent discussions about Houston aviation!!! Can the mods consider this thread closed?



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User currently onlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 140, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6035 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 139):
No reading the banal posts done by you and IAH59 just kill any decent discussions about Houston aviation!!! Can the mods consider this thread closed?



Excuse me, I'm waiting to find out if they are using new urinal cakes in Terminal D so let's leave it open...thank you!

On another note, the sequestration mania has hit IAH. Several airport officials I had the chance to lunch with today noted CBP is really selling some doom and gloom in terms of staffing starting around late March and they predict longer wait times and possible cancelations. This is similar to what LaHood mentioned in several news interviews but they apparently have each airport direct briefing the airlines on peak times and possible connection delays....4 hour connect times some have mentioned...ouch.

[Edited 2013-02-25 19:58:57]


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User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 141, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6016 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 140):
possible cancelations.

Flights being canceled or routes being canceled?



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 142, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5924 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 140):
On another note, the sequestration mania has hit IAH. Several airport officials I had the chance to lunch with today noted CBP is really selling some doom and gloom in terms of staffing starting around late March and they predict longer wait times and possible cancelations.



An even better reason to be a member of Global Entry...but if you aren't already ya may want to hurry! If this sequestration does hit and lasts into the end of April I'll get to see first hand if doom/gloom impacts Global Entry after using the kiosk while exiting the FIS.   



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User currently offlinedaedaeg From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 143, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5894 times:

I'd love to see IAH to PUJ one day. I know the US Airways and American dominate the Dominican. Maybe the merger will open a doorway for United to enter this market.


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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 144, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5678 times:

Gloria Jean coffee shop and the bookstore in Terminal E is shutting down. Taking its place is a Dunkin Donuts and I think Eddie Bauer.

User currently onlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 145, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5668 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 144):
Gloria Jean coffee shop and the bookstore in Terminal E is shutting down. Taking its place is a Dunkin Donuts and I think Eddie Bauer.

bah, I prefer bookshops but I am olde fashioned that way.



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 146, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5677 times:

Grand opening of the remodel part of Terminal B will April 17th, 2013.

User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1915 posts, RR: 1
Reply 147, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5688 times:

Also NK is spreading like wild fire in IAH. I heard some exCO guys are at the helm so could that be a reason why NK has seen the success its had in Houston? Also, why did NK choose IAH and not HOU? Hobby is always regarded as the most LCC friendly, except to F9.


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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 148, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5622 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 147):

Maybe because Southwest has already conquered HOU, so they thought maybe they could draw back the low cost traffic back to IAH and steal Southwest sales.


User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 149, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5614 times:

I think so too, I think UA is going to add new routes soon enough, I hope. Turkish arrives in less than a month. Air China starts in July and I think that SAS could come soon. But I wonder once terminal B south gets finished, will they start on the north part of Terminal B.


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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 150, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5596 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 149):

Well Terminal B was suppose to originally open around 1/2013. They have 3 more phases to complete hopefully, they start on expanding Terminal D next after the first phase of Terminal B cause Terminal D can use it really bad.


User currently onlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 151, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5567 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 149):
But I wonder once terminal B south gets finished, will they start on the north part of Terminal B.

The North part is not funded at the moment. United stated they are not going to fund their obligations for it at the moment unless I missed a press release or statement about it recently.

United just cut something like 18 more frequencies, I would not expect a lot more UA IAH growth in the near term.

NK is going to grow more at IAH, at lest that is according to some of their staff I've had the chance to chat with recently.



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User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 152, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5619 times:

Chronicle today is reporting that IAH Immigration wait times are past the 30 minute processing threshold and this past weekend hovered at 90 minutes based on 11,000 pax moving through customs on Sunday. HAS is concerned that the sequester will continue to dog the Customs / Immigration lines all summer long if the budget cuts remain in effect as they expect the daily que to be between 15,000 to 17,000. I've got two trips planned this year to Europe out of IAH and I think the only way around these expected delays is to sign up for Global Entry.

http://www.chron.com/business/articl...-airports-longer-lines-4334538.php


User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 153, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5567 times:

Speaking of Spirit Airlines on June 13th, 2013 they will start flights from IAH to DTW and DEN. http://houston.culturemap.com/newsde...h-giving-houston-more-air-options/

User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 154, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5563 times:

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Reply 47, posted Thu Mar 7 2013 10:31:37 your local time (29 minutes 58 secs ago) and read 88 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 38):
Right....How do you know that this is even a massacre... you don't work for UNITED. Geee, every change that UA makes to IAH is met with whining here. EWR is 3x daily PDX flights as well.

Not to step into this debate, but shorter routes need and usually get more frequency.

I think the anger toward Houston is ebbing. I'm told that Houston's consultant is now allowed in the Willis Tower. That's a good sign, LOL.



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 155, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5572 times:

Houston traffic went up 1 percent for domestic travel, passenger numbers went up .4 percent, and, international travel went down 1.3 percent.

http://centreforaviation.com/news/ho...able-cargo-up-1-in-jan-2013-209135


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Reply 156, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5429 times:

Still a push on for Norway flights it seems. Not sure that it will pick up any traction yet, but I am sure they'd be happy to make room for SAS at D. Maybe in 3-5 years with energy prices staying "healthy".

From the Royal Norwegian Consulate in Houston:
http://www.norway.org/Embassy/housto...ter-City-Partnership-with-Houston/

"After more than 30 years the relationship between Stavanger and Houston is still strong, and an increasingly larger number of people travel between the two cities every day. In fact, according to figures obtained by the Greater Houston Partnership, at the request of the Norwegian Consulate General, on an average day, 63 individuals travel back and forth between Norway and Houston. In total, more than 46,000 passengers traveled by plane from Norway to Houston and back in 2012, and among the Scandinavian countries, Norway stands out in terms of both the number of trips per year and revenue yield for the airlines. As these numbers prove, there appears to be a growing demand among Norwegians and Texans for a faster and more convenient transatlantic travel route. Hence, before returning to her home city of Stavanger, Mayor Sagen Helgø met with Greater Houston Partnership’s Vice President of International Investment and Trade, Genaro J. Peña, to discuss the possibility of using Stavanger Airport, Sola as a potential Scandinavian hub for direct flights to Houston. Going forward, the city of Stavanger and the Consulate General in Houston are looking to explore this issue further, and a survey of the existing demand from Houston’s business community is likely to be conducted in the near future."



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 157, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5321 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 156):
63 individuals travel back and forth between Norway and Houston.

3 flights a week from Oslo to IAH on SAS sounds good.


User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 158, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5192 times:

Houston Airport System wants to build a space port.
http://houston.culturemap.com/newsde...y-super-space-flights-anticipated/


User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1915 posts, RR: 1
Reply 159, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5137 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 158):

If, and ginormous IF at that, this gets built, it will most likely be at EFD. They have more space, much less flights, and NASA already on site, unless UA is planning something truly drastic that can and will alter the way humans travel...



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 160, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5124 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 158):
Houston Airport System wants to build a space port.


HAS has been talking about this for about 10 months, not a new item, and yes EFD is the supposed location!

Come up with some news worthy stuff please, IAH59.



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 161, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5101 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 160):
Come up with some news worthy stuff please, IAH59.

I am just updating on whats going on at the Houston Airport System. I posted about Spirit Airlines starting new flights from IAH to DTW and DEN. That's some new news.


User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 162, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5065 times:

According to enliria, Houston's consultant is now allowed in the Willis Tower, which is to rumor to me, I think UA is just experimenting with frequencies and it still trying to figure out how to utilize and such. If what enliria says is true, which is a possibility. This could mean the UA has moved on and I think we could FINALLY see some new routes soon.


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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 163, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5043 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 162):
This could mean the UA has moved on and I think we could FINALLY see some new routes soon..


What new routes due you expect we will see?


User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 164, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5029 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 163):

I could prolly see IAH-SCL, IAH-PVG, IAH-GYE- Internationally



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7578 posts, RR: 25
Reply 165, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4997 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 164):

Based on what?



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User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 166, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5013 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 164):
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 165):

Based on that IAH is UA latin American and Largest hub and that Houston has a large Chinese population, there could be alot of demand for those routes.



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 167, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4998 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 166):
Based on that IAH is UA latin American and Largest hub and that Houston has a large Chinese population, there could be alot of demand for those routes

This why Air China is flying to Houston from PEK on July 11th, 2013 I think.


User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 168, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4991 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 167):

Yes, I think UA could cover PVG too.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7578 posts, RR: 25
Reply 169, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5013 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 166):
Based on that IAH is UA latin American and Largest hub and that Houston has a large Chinese population, there could be alot of demand for those routes.



Houston-China has demand good demand, and thats why Air China is coming. China was the missing link in Houston's Asia network. That said, Houston cannot support two routes to China. Also, Air China isnt going to Houston because of the Chinese community in Houston. They are in Houston for the same reason everyone else is: the oil industry and the large amounts of traffic it creates from Houston to destinations like China, Singapore, Dubai, Aberdeen, Amsterdam, Norway, etc. There is no direct correlation between large ethnic representation and demand for new flights. If that were so, LA, SFO, Houston, Dallas, and DC would all have direct flights to Vietnam. The Vietnamese community in all of those cities is larger than the Chinese community in Houston. To go further, what is Texas-Asia's largest O&D market? Its DFW-Seoul. Yet, the Korean community in Dallas (only about 30,000) is much smaller than the Vietnamese/Chinese/Indian communities in Houston and Dallas. ATL-ICN is almost 200 PDEW, yet there are only 48,000 Koreans in the Atlanta area. For comparison, there are 100,000 Vietnamese in Houston and 90,000 Vietnamese in Dallas, yet ATL-ICN is larger than all of Texas-Vietnam.

Its time we drop trying to link a large ethnic community to demand for new service.

Houston-Santiago has very small local market , but probably has the best chance of materializing of the routes you mention because of Star Alliance loyalty in South America and other cities across the US. Im sure IAH will be the chosen destination, but its not the Houston market that will drive it.

Houston-GYE was tried and failed. Nothing has really changed from a local market perspective since then. Desitnations like GYE are what the Star Alliance has CM for. IAH-GYE is a whopping 6-7 passengers a day. SCL is the only destination in South America that I could say could be supported from the US by a Star carrier.

[Edited 2013-03-09 09:16:04]


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Reply 170, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4606 times:

Rumor has it they are going to put a Whataburger in the new part of B. Hopefully that turns out to be true, I need a new place to eat at work since Gordon's closed down!