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SFO Aviation Thread Part 2  
User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4384 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8911 times:
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As the previous thread was quite lengthy please continue the discussion here.

Previous thread:
SFO Aviation Thread Part 1 (by DolphinAir747 Dec 17 2012 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2013-01-19 08:52:31]


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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8681 times:

With the development of the 787 and coming A350, what affect will this aircraft have on the Bay Area airports with regards to airlines adding International flights at OAK/SJC instead of the traditional SFO?

The 787, in particular, has been developed for long thin routes. ANA has a 2 class cabin with 158 seats flying their SJC route. This is less than some carriers 738/9 flying domestic flights.

SFO is constrained but appears to be growing and will surpass 42 million paxs this year. They are adding 2 new International carriers, MU & SK, so far this year. Why does SFO have 16+ daily flights to New york but SJC has only one?

These are all questions and hopefully will be answered this year.



John@SFO
User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8649 times:

I've always been puzzled by the lack of UA EWR-SJC. UA does fly EWR-SNA in addition to EWR-LAX, after all.

Does NH have a spare 763 or 77W to send to SJC?


User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8644 times:

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 2):
Does NH have a spare 763 or 77W to send to SJC?

I read in another forum the probable reason for NH not to send a replacement aircraft to SJC is the close proximity to SFO with their own flight. Furthermore, they have a JV with UA and can accommodate the SJC passengers during this slow season.



John@SFO
User currently offlineN782NC From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8625 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 3):

I noticed today that there were two ANA 77Ws in SFO today, the usual flight at G, and a second at A. I'm curious to know if this is ANA's response to passenger backlog from SJC.



Stairway to Seven
User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8599 times:

Quoting N782NC (Reply 4):

Unfortunately, I am out f the Country now but that is interesting. If there was a NH cancelation yesterday into SFO, maybe an extra rotation. I just checked the NH site and there was a medical diversion yesterday. The regular NH flight arrived about 5 pm and due to gate availability, used the A Gates for arrival.

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 2):

With the Bay Area leaning more toward the *A, I often wonder why UA does not at least fly to all their hubs from SJC. There must be more to it that we are not seeing.

[Edited 2013-01-19 21:13:29]


John@SFO
User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6124 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8582 times:

Quoting N782NC (Reply 4):

I noticed today that there were two ANA 77Ws in SFO today, the usual flight at G, and a second at A. I'm curious to know if this is ANA's response to passenger backlog from SJC.

The second one that arrived at A-side is parked out at Plot-41 near Super Bay. That was NRT-SEA that could not get in due to SEA WX which was in the crapper this morning.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...8/history/20130119/1800Z/KSEA/KSFO

[Edited 2013-01-19 21:21:30]


"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8557 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 6):

Thanks for the info. Interesting how SFO was chosen but I guess since they have staff there, it makes sense.



John@SFO
User currently offlinevtdl From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8535 times:

Not sure if this was discussed before. What do you guys think had they relocated SJC to Moffett Field location? Beside the politic and complaint from Sunnyvale, Cupertino, Sarataga residences, I thought Moffett is a better location and has more room to grow. What you do think?

User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8518 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 5):
With the Bay Area leaning more toward the *A, I often wonder why UA does not at least fly to all their hubs from SJC. There must be more to it that we are not seeing.

Back in the day, you could get from SJC to Chicago and Dulles all day long - I used to prefer to fly Dulles to SJC back in the airstairs days before the rental car center During the height of the .coms, they were packed.

Before the merger, they had axed it ALL.

NS


User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days ago) and read 8438 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 9):

It is amazing how times have changed. I believe during the early 1990s, AA did not even have flights between SFO and MIA.



John@SFO
User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6124 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8370 times:

Quoting vtdl (Reply 8):

Not sure if this was discussed before. What do you guys think had they relocated SJC to Moffett Field location? Beside the politic and complaint from Sunnyvale, Cupertino, Sarataga residences, I thought Moffett is a better location and has more room to grow. What you do think?

Why? SJC is an under utilized facility as it is with a new state of the art terminal. It has parallel runways that have both been extended in the last 10 years. And limited curfew and noise restrictions, much more lenient then Moffet would have. Remember the approach to Moffet from the SW is some of the wealthiest communities in the entire country. Let now forget the fact it's government owned to top it all off.



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8236 times:

Just wondering, when did UA cut SFO-MIA? Why are they flying SFO-FLL rather than SFO-MIA?

User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6124 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8211 times:

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 12):

MIA was closed in the early 2000's when UA closed the S. American hub at MIA. The reason behind FLL over MIA I'd imagine is a combination of cost, not going against AA and FLL being a growing destination for UA. It's also just another market they overlap with VX, which will continue to lower yeild in those markets.



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8082 times:

How big of a freighter market did TWA have out of SFO and what was their routings?







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John@SFO
User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3051 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8018 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 1):
Why does SFO have 16+ daily flights to New york but SJC has only one?
Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 2):
I've always been puzzled by the lack of UA EWR-SJC. UA does fly EWR-SNA in addition to EWR-LAX, after all.

CO did fly SJC-EWR up until a few years ago. UA discontinued SJC-IAD and SJC-ORD at about the same time (and AA is down to 1/daily SJC-ORD).

AA once had 3 daily SJC-JFK flights, including sometimes a 762. At one time AA also had 4/daily SJC-BOS flights (!!!!).

I never get why SJC can't support more flights also. It seems like the cachement area is just as populated as SFO and it's a great airport.

Quoting as739x (Reply 6):
The second one that arrived at A-side is parked out at Plot-41 near Super Bay. That was NRT-SEA that could not get in due to SEA WX which was in the crapper this morning.

It's been really foggy all over the SEA region all weekend. But yeah, I'm surprised the ANA flight didn't divert to YVR, PDX or GEG which are much closer than going down to SFO.

Quoting legacyins (Reply 3):
I read in another forum the probable reason for NH not to send a replacement aircraft to SJC is the close proximity to SFO with their own flight. Furthermore, they have a JV with UA and can accommodate the SJC passengers during this slow season.

I hope the 787 problems don't sabotage the success of the NRT-SJC flight. What did it operate for like 3 days until the grounding?


User currently offlinemikeology From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7947 times:

Any update on the possible El Torrito meet up?

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3051 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7926 times:

Quoting mikeology (Reply 16):
Any update on the possible El Torrito meet up?

I'll be in SJC from 2/1 - 2/4 so I'm up for it. What is the best time of day to go, in terms of best action on the 28s?

If that doesn't work, I'll also be in SJC in late March and late April. I'd like to join you guys if my personal SJC travel plans fit into everyone else's schedule.

Hopefully the NH flight to SJC will be operating again by then. Of course that will be good in many more ways that one......


User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6124 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7911 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 15):
It's been really foggy all over the SEA region all weekend. But yeah, I'm surprised the ANA flight didn't divert to YVR, PDX or GEG which are much closer than going down to SFO.

There could be a lot of reasons for that. SFO already had a NH flight on the ground, so the staffing was in place for the arrival and to help with passenger accommodations. YVR is an international destination and you may have passengers unable to enter Canada. GEG was probably full of other diverts and PDX the same. Just throwing some ideas out there.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 17):
I'll be in SJC from 2/1 - 2/4 so I'm up for it. What is the best time of day to go, in terms of best action on the 28s?

Morning: The Asia arrivals start rolling in around 830a-then departing 1130a-100p. As the Asia flights depart the Euro's start arriving, unfortunately no LH A380 at 12:20p, 747 currently.

I'll be sitting on the beach in the South Pacific that week, so get some good pics.



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7863 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 17):
What is the best time of day to go, in terms of best action on the 28s?

I would say the best time would be around 11:00 to 11:30. That's about an hour before the early wave of flights from the EU are scheduled to arrive (KL 605 {MD-11}, AF 84, LH 454, and a bit later, BA 285 and VS 19), so if any of them end up being early, you'll still catch them. If you're still around near the 16:00 to 17:00 hours, you'll see BA 287 and LX 38, along with at least one BR flight from TPE.

Of course, that's just the international heavies I can think of off the top of my head...

Also, just a thought...given all of the discussion about SJC in general and the NH 787 service in particular, maybe this thread should be renamed "SF Bay Area Aviation Thread" so it's "officially" more all-inclusive? Just a thought  



ETOPS = Engine Turns Off, Passengers Swim
User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7728 times:

First it was VX and now UA. UNITED from 01APR13 is cancelling San Francisco – Toronto service, where it currently operates 6 weekly flights. Last departure from Toronto is 01APR13. Looking at their schedule, it was timed for their Asian flights.

After April 1st, AC will have the route to themselves but UA will probably codeshare on the route. Maybe we can see AC upgauge to a 767 during the summer months on at least one of their flights.



John@SFO
User currently offlinemikeology From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7495 times:

Anybody know start date and frequency of SAS SFO to CPH service. The more I look at pics the more I want to go back to the Faroe Islands

User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7474 times:

Quoting mikeology (Reply 21):

Anybody know start date and frequency of SAS SFO to CPH service. The more I look at pics the more I want to go back to the Faroe Islands


Monday, April 8th. Flight will be 6x per week.

http://www.airlinesanddestinations.c...ervice-add-late-newark-cph-flight/



John@SFO
User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7231 times:

Does anyone know when UA Will deploy their newly configured 757 PS flights between SFO and JFK? Last I heard, it was to be rolled out last October but nothing since.


John@SFO
User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7029 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 20):
First it was VX and now UA. UNITED from 01APR13 is cancelling San Francisco – Toronto service, where it currently operates 6 weekly flights. Last departure from Toronto is 01APR13. Looking at their schedule, it was timed for their Asian flights.

How large is the O&D market?


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2754 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7017 times:

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 24):
How large is the O&D market?

I do believe that the number for O&D is 775 daily pax.

On that note, isn't there an agreement between UA/AC that make this a metal neutral route?

 


User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6931 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 25):
On that note, isn't there an agreement between UA/AC that make this a metal neutral route?

AC-UA and have a JV. Does not matter who runs the route.



John@SFO
User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2754 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7087 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 26):
AC-UA and have a JV. Does not matter who runs the route.

So following an ideal, this is where the alliances can benefit each other.

With a good sized amount of traffic between the San Francisco and Toronto markets, if there is some yield to be made, frequency can be adjusted, or other carriers enter. In the meantime, with what AC and/or UA do on this route, all the revenues and expenses go into a common pot..... and then UA and AC take from this pot what belongs to each as per JV agreement.


So with the above, it seems as if all SFO-

[Edited 2013-02-01 16:27:34]

User currently offlineOH-LGA From Denmark, joined Oct 1999, 1436 posts, RR: 19
Reply 28, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6956 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 26):
AC-UA and have a JV. Does not matter who runs the route.

Except that SFO-YYZ is a carveout under the JV, so joint pricing and revenue sharing are not possible.
(Source: http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/eic/site/cb-bc.nsf/eng/03507.html)



Head in the clouds... yet feet planted firmly on the ground.
User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6745 times:

Would SFO-CTU be a good UA route, maybe thrice weekly 772 or 788? Western China is booming%u2014just look at all the new service from Europe and the Middle East to CTU (KL, EY, QR, CA, BA)%u2014and the tech industry could certainly fill some seats at the front of the aircraft and cargo holds. Also, if the flight is timed to connect with CA's CTU-BLR flight, SFO-BLR pax would have a new, much shorter option. SFO-CTU-BLR adds less than 3% of the direct distance, whereas flying via FRA adds 18%.

User currently offlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6816 posts, RR: 7
Reply 30, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6652 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 15):
At one time AA also had 4/daily SJC-BOS flights

When?


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3051 posts, RR: 7
Reply 31, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6645 times:

Quoting timz (Reply 30):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 15):
At one time AA also had 4/daily SJC-BOS flights

When?

Around 2000-2001. I still have some old paper timetables from that time. AA had four SJC-AUS flights at the peak; and three SJC-JFK including a 762.

There were MD-80s to DEN, SEA, PDX, SAN, LAX, SNA and a shorted lived 738 to MIA, among others. AA was already discontinuing SJC-PDX (and SEA-SNA) before 9/11 happened and started a huge cutback at SJC.

Someone else counted 77 AA mainline flights a day from SJC. Where are there now, like 5? 1 ORD and 4 DFW or something like that? Plus the ERJs to LAX, and that's it for AA.


User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6476 times:

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 29):
Would SFO-CTU be a good UA route, maybe thrice weekly 772 or 788? Western China is booming%u2014just look at all the new service from Europe and the Middle East to CTU (KL, EY, QR, CA, BA)%u2014and the tech industry could certainly fill some seats at the front of the aircraft and cargo holds. Also, if the flight is timed to connect with CA's CTU-BLR flight, SFO-BLR pax would have a new, much shorter option. SFO-CTU-BLR adds less than 3% of the direct distance, whereas flying via FRA adds 18%.

Does anyone think this could work?


User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6474 times:

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 32):

Hard to say. Look at UA and the SFO-CAN route. They were granted authority many years ago and were given extensions a couple of times. IMO, China is not the golden egg most people believe. Besides PEK and PVG, I do not see a great demand from the US to secondary cities in China.

So why are BA, KL, LH and others moving forward with their own flights? Who knows but you can rest assured they will discontinue those flights if they do not perform.



John@SFO
User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6471 times:

SFO had its best year yet with over 44 million paxs in 2012. No surprise, UA is the dominate carrier with almost 50% and followed by a distant second with VX at 9%. Let us see what 2013 brings us with a few new carriers and flights.

From BAT:

http://thebat-sf.com/2013/02/05/sfo-...+B.A.T.+%28Bay+Area+Traveler%29%29



John@SFO
User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6438 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 33):
Hard to say. Look at UA and the SFO-CAN route. They were granted authority many years ago and were given extensions a couple of times. IMO, China is not the golden egg most people believe. Besides PEK and PVG, I do not see a great demand from the US to secondary cities in China.

So why are BA, KL, LH and others moving forward with their own flights? Who knows but you can rest assured they will discontinue those flights if they do not perform.

The two are not fully comparable. First of all, CTU serves a very different area of China from the rest, whereas CAN is far too close to HKG—just like, say, EY does not fly to both JFK and PHL. Second, CTU is a *A hub, with the connection to BLR always being an interesting possibility to advertise. Last, because of the tech industry, Chengdu has many more connections than Guangzhou to Silicon Valley. Cargo should be especially good with iPhones, etc. Does anyone know the PDEW numbers for SFO-CTU?

China, especially Western China, is booming very, very quickly. LHR slots are far too valuable for BA to use them for useless flights. CAN, on the other hand, only sees AF among European carriers, and that's mostly due to CZ being in SkyTeam.


User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6402 times:

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 35):

Yes, China is still growing but it is still a developing Country and had no where to go but up. I have my own opinion about China as I just returned after two years living there. It is true PVG and PEK are different markets than CTU but what is the target market ? Look at all the connections SFO has to India, EK,BA,LH,AF,KL,OZ,KE,CA,CX,SQ ect.. Taking a UA flight to CTU from SFO and connecting to CA to India might work for some but not others. The market is price sensitive and in the end, that will fill the planes.



John@SFO
User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6339 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 36):
Yes, China is still growing but it is still a developing Country and had no where to go but up. I have my own opinion about China as I just returned after two years living there. It is true PVG and PEK are different markets than CTU but what is the target market ? Look at all the connections SFO has to India, EK,BA,LH,AF,KL,OZ,KE,CA,CX,SQ ect.. Taking a UA flight to CTU from SFO and connecting to CA to India might work for some but not others. The market is price sensitive and in the end, that will fill the planes.

Yes, there is lots of price-sensitivity, though if UA flies profitably to larger yet far more competitive markets like PEK, PVG, and HKG, couldn't they charge slightly more for the only nonstop from the US to Western China? They could certainly find good yields from monopoly pricing for Apple executives in the front.


User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6269 times:

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 37):

I agree with you about Apple and others but something tells me NH got to them and is pushing them on their flight ( when it starts up again ) from SJC, even with a connection.



John@SFO
User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6088 times:

I was at SFO today and saw Delta 208 arrive from NRT. After about an hour, a tug pulled the aircraft over to the domestic Delta gates and another tug pull a different 763 over to the International pier for the departure back to NRT.

Is this how they rotate aircraft to do maintenance checks?



John@SFO
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25077 posts, RR: 46
Reply 40, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6047 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 23):
Does anyone know when UA Will deploy their newly configured 757 PS flights between SFO and JFK? Last I heard, it was to be rolled out last October but nothing since.

The first aircraft is already modified.

United has already stopped selling F class on the p.s. routes effective June 6th.

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 29):
Would SFO-CTU be a good UA route, maybe thrice weekly 772 or 788? Western China is booming

No. Daily demand is barely 25 folks from all of California.

The market can be served much better 1-stop on partners via other China, Korea or Japan gateways.

If any new China market will be sustained next by a US carrier it would be the long awaited Guangzhou which atleast has paper demand of almost a 100 daily passengers from SFO alone.

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 37):
They could certainly find good yields from monopoly pricing for Apple executives in the front.

And how many really need to visit? Remember Foxconn HQ it Taipei.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6124 posts, RR: 23
Reply 41, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5807 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 39):
Is this how they rotate aircraft to do maintenance checks?

Yes



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5796 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 40):
No. Daily demand is barely 25 folks from all of California.

The market can be served much better 1-stop on partners via other China, Korea or Japan gateways.

Could NH fly a 737 on NRT-CTU?


User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6124 posts, RR: 23
Reply 43, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5696 times:

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 42):

Easily. It's only 1850nm vs say BOS-SFO 2350nm

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 24):
How large is the O&D market?

It wasn't really the issue of O/D traffic for Virgin. It was the loyalty of the Toronto and AC passengers to AC. Cush of VX even admitted as so when they dropped the route.

For UA, it simply putting our passengers on or business partners ac allowing the redeployment of the Airbus to another route.

My fingers are crossed for a new route, many of which are being looked at.



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25077 posts, RR: 46
Reply 44, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5570 times:

ANA already serves CTU with a 737 that connects from US services.

NH947 NRT-CTU 1715-2300
NH948 CTU-NRT 0930-1520

Also for Star, Asiana has a daily A321 service (as they do many secondary Chinese airports).



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5379 times:

I was taking a walk around the Domestic Terminal today and took a couple of shots of how Pier E is coming along.





John@SFO
User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6124 posts, RR: 23
Reply 46, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5236 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 45):

And it can't open fast enough. We need those gates desperately.



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineKDCA From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5214 times:

Will all T1 operations end for UA once pier E reopens? How many gates are planned for it? Will there be a United Club?

User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6124 posts, RR: 23
Reply 48, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5186 times:

Quoting KDCA (Reply 47):
Quoting KDCA (Reply 47):
Will all T1 operations end for UA once pier E reopens?

Not from what I am hearing. The gates at this time are planned as expansion and it's 10 gates last I heard. T-1 Ops will continue. I don't have access to the final prints anymore.



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User currently offlineKDCA From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5148 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 48):
T-1 Ops will continue

That is really interesting to hear. When AA was using Pier E, they had it configured for nine gates. It looks like at least four of those were WB capable. Given all of the WB gates on Pier F and in Int G, would UA need any WB capable gates on Pier E? If not, it looks like they could comfortably fit twelve gates at Pier E. With the announcement of US/AA, there'd be no reason for US to move into the renovated Pier E. Even if AC's flights are handled there, that is a lot of additional gate capacity for UA mainline if the Express T1 operation continues.

Can UA really put all of that to use?


User currently offlinepsa1011 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5119 times:
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So will US move ops to T2? I'm not sure how many flights they have to CLT/PHL/PHX.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25077 posts, RR: 46
Reply 51, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5094 times:

Quoting KDCA (Reply 47):
Will all T1 operations end for UA once pier E reopens? How many gates are planned for it? Will there be a United Club?

Regarding the club, all I have seen are plans to remodel and further build out the current domestic lounge.

Quoting psa1011 (Reply 50):
So will US move ops to T2? I'm not sure how many flights they have to CLT/PHL/PHX.


US is rather small at SFO these days.

Schedule tomorrow is: 6 PHX, 4 PHL, 4 CLT.



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User currently offlinepsa1011 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5109 times:
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Was pier E ever accessible from F, behind security?

User currently offlineflyua From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 317 posts, RR: 6
Reply 53, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5090 times:

Yes, Pier E is accessible from Pier F, post-security.

From what I understand, Gate 68 will be closed once Pier E is open, and a new, tenth gate on Pier E will be created in Gate 68's former spot.

I haven't heard yet if US Airways will still move over to Pier E. When/if they do merge with AA, I do hope they keep away from the E gates. We at United need all the space we can get! I expect Air Canada will still join us on E. At least, that was the last plan I'd heard.


User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6124 posts, RR: 23
Reply 54, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5087 times:

Quoting KDCA (Reply 49):
Can UA really put all of that to use?

Yes, current operations are at just under 250 daily flight. More to come.

Quoting KDCA (Reply 49):
Given all of the WB gates on Pier F and in Int G, would UA need any WB capable gates on Pier El

Actually if you look at the current schedule there has been a large reduction in 767 flying from SFO. The 763 are being redeployed to EWR/IAH. Gates 80-86 and G concourse can accommodate the WB traffic. The station is becoming heavily reliant on the 737's.

Quoting psa1011 (Reply 50):
So will US move ops to T2?

One would assume they will. US Ops at SFO (as LAXintl) said is small. I don't know what AA's agreement with VX is, but one would assume they can get gate 59 back and that brings AA back to 7 gates.

Quoting psa1011 (Reply 52):
Was pier E ever accessible from F, behind security?

Yes. prior to closing for renovation of E, gates 60-68 were behind security to all T-3 and G Intl. (AC used gate 61 on the E while also using 68 on the pier.



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User currently offlineKDCA From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5079 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 51):
Regarding the club, all I have seen are plans to remodel and further build out the current domestic lounge.

I assume you are referring to the primary United Club in the domestic gate area. While it is pretty nice by the national standard for those clubs, it is already rather crowded and with a small bar area. Not to mention that it would be a long walk to the end of E from there. It would really be too bad if UA does not add at least a small United Club on E.

Quoting as739x (Reply 54):
Yes, current operations are at just under 250 daily flight. More to come.

I'm not sure what UA's gate utilization is like at SFO and a lot of this depends on how many if any gates go to AC and US. With the closure of 68 as mentioned above, let's say Pier E will conservatively add 10 gates to Terminal 3. If AC and US take 5 gates between them, that would still leave UA with room for something like 40-50 additional mainline flights. In the event that US fits into T2 with AA, that would leave room for an additional 60-80 flights. That is a HUGE increase in movements at a hub that currently has 250 departures. That kind of increase is clearly more than some increased frequencies to currently served markets. Does anyone have good data on the largest O/D markets from SFO that do not currently see service on UA? There have to be a few new N/S destinations coming despite the typically long SFO stage lengths.

[Edited 2013-02-13 15:02:35]

User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6124 posts, RR: 23
Reply 56, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5041 times:

Quoting KDCA (Reply 55):
AC will not be moving into the renovated E concourse (last I heard) and US will not moving into T-3.
T-2 -merger or stay in T-1 -no merger. Remember that AA's operation at T-2 technically is temporary. In the grand theme, T-1 will be re-done and AA would move their operations there.

SFO has a very strong O/D market. SFO is also the strongest of the UA hubs.

[Edited 2013-02-13 15:29:50]


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User currently offlinepsa1011 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5018 times:
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It's amazing how much money AA spent on their lounge in T-2, knowing they wouldn't be there for more than a few years.

User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4977 times:

Quoting psa1011 (Reply 57):

I believe the airport subsidized AA move over to T2, not sure as to what extent. One would assume VX, if their still around, would take over the lounge when AA moves.

AA still has a relatively strong AA frequent flier base in the Bay Area and cannot imagine them not having a lounge. Kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place



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User currently offlineOH-LGA From Denmark, joined Oct 1999, 1436 posts, RR: 19
Reply 59, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4900 times:

I hope AC isn't going to be doomed long-term to the split International A/G pier operation they're having to do now. Unpleasant for originating pax who get to go from their check-in at Aisle 12 to G, and unpleasant for UA pax connecting to AC flights out of A during the morning/noontime rush (having to reclear security, not to mention the walk).

Weren't the Pier E gates supposed to be common-use like T2 is?



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User currently offlineKDCA From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4767 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 56):
SFO has a very strong O/D market. SFO is also the strongest of the UA hubs.

While the O/D is certainly strong to SFO and the Bay Area, by what metric is SFO the strongest of the UA hubs? UA has a larger market share at IAH, EWR, IAD and CLE than at SFO. I could imagine that SFO may have the best yields in the system, but it cannot possibly compare in revenue to ORD, IAH or EWR or in market share to other hubs as mentioned above.

Again, this raises the question of what is UA going to do with all of the capacity represented by Pier E and continued Express operations in T1. Does anyone have good data on top O/D markets without N/S service to SFO?


User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4763 times:

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 2):

I've always been puzzled by the lack of UA EWR-SJC. UA does fly EWR-SNA in addition to EWR-LAX, after all.

UA handed SJC and OAK to UAX. SNA is slot restricted so most flights there are still mainline and I believe CO operated the route before the merger. UA battled WIN for years but eventually surrendered SJC and OAK (and BUR and ONT). The O&D out of SJC and OAK are probably just not enough for UA to justify re-opening a mainline station. There are also added expenses to returning mainline ground staff. Expenses at SJC have also been zooming up to pay for the mostly empty facilities.

Quoting KDCA (Reply 47):

Will all T1 operations end for UA once pier E reopens? How many gates are planned for it? Will there be a United Club?

Yes, UA has said they would move out of T1 when pier E opens. 10 gates are planned, although as previously mentioned one will be removed (68) elsewhere. The floorplans do not show space for a United Club. I guess you will have to hike all the way to the rotunda to get to to one.

http://www.sfgov3.org/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=1720

Take a look at the floorplan on page 22 of this PDF.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25077 posts, RR: 46
Reply 62, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4757 times:

Quoting KDCA (Reply 55):
I assume you are referring to the primary United Club in the domestic gate area. While it is pretty nice by the national standard for those clubs, it is already rather crowded and with a small bar area. Not to mention that it would be a long walk to the end of E from there. It would really be too bad if UA does not add at least a small United Club on E.

The direction the Clubs are going (remember they are their own revenue/cost centers) is to build ever large consolidated clubs. It makes more financial sense from a cost perspective and maximize revenue per square foot.

For example here at LAX conceptual designs are at work to replace 3 current facilities with a single massive lounge.
I also heard at IAD only 3 of the 4 current clubs would be renovated into the new product offering and allow for a bit of consolidation in rented space.



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User currently offlineKDCA From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4750 times:

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 61):
Yes, UA has said they would move out of T1 when pier E opens.

That was what I understood, but it sounds like UA has changed their mind:

Quoting as739x (Reply 48):
Not from what I am hearing. The gates at this time are planned as expansion and it's 10 gates last I heard. T-1 Ops will continue. I don't have access to the final prints anymore.

Thanks for the floor plan in the PDF. Still find it surprising they wouldn't include a club on E. The Rotunda club is already too crowded and will be far away. The great club in G is also too far away. For a station that sounds like it will have 300+ flights in the near future, you would think they would provide for more club space. Compare the two existing spaces to the four at ORD including the huge new one in T2 or even IAD.


User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4724 times:

So, how willl the AA/US merger affect SFO? Not much, as they both have small operations at SFO.

What is kind of interesting is the quote from an SFO official stating both carriers could possibly operate out of T2.

BAT article:


http://thebat-sf.com/2013/02/14/amer...+B.A.T.+%28Bay+Area+Traveler%29%29



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User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4729 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 64):
What is kind of interesting is the quote from an SFO official stating both carriers could possibly operate out of T2.

Given how small US's SFO ops are, I'm not surprised in the slightest.

Quoting as739x (Reply 48):
Not from what I am hearing. The gates at this time are planned as expansion and it's 10 gates last I heard. T-1 Ops will continue.

That's really a shame...granted I'm looking at it from the perspective of someone who regularly meets people flying in from other places, but while I understand the need for the gate space, UA spreading their ops out and not being consistent about it really makes the job of people in my business much more difficult. If a domestic flight goes into one of the Int'l G gates, there's no way to know which security exit people are going to come out of; same with a UA Express flight going into Terminal 1. Yes, there's a shuttle bus to take people to Terminal 3, but if a pax doesn't have checked luggage, it's not uncommon for them to go out the Terminal 1 security exit. And, just like with the G gates, there's no way to know which way they're going to go, so there's no guarantee of being in the right place to meet people. And, at least in my business, clients get upset/irate very quickly when "their driver's in the wrong place" even when said driver did his absolute best to be in the most likely exit location. So, I find this extremely frustrating.

It'd be nice if they at least made it consistent...maybe even start offloading the UA Express luggage in Terminal 1...



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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6124 posts, RR: 23
Reply 66, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4721 times:

Quoting warden145 (Reply 65):

It's unfortunate, but that is the only solution as the terminals just don't have the capacity for the UA growth. The E renovation will bring on more mainline gates obviously as well as helping to keep the CR7 operation at T-3.

Terminal one counter and baggage operations will not happen. That would make things even more confusing then you posted about above. I can't really get into the more behind the scene details, but the current situation is the best that can be done and despite peoples gripes, is making UA a better product for it's passengers.



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User currently offlineflyua From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 317 posts, RR: 6
Reply 67, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4598 times:

Regarding the United Club situation in SFO, I'm now hearing there might be a new club added to the Pier E design. United's real estate plans for existing and expanded space at SFO continue to evolve.

User currently offlineKDCA From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4557 times:

Comparison of UA's SFO hub spring 2000 vs. spring 2013 - apologies for any errors:

Destination '00 '13 Equip '00 Equip '13
ABQ : 0x : 2x : CR2
ASE : 0x : 2x : CR7
ACV : 12x : 6x EM2 : EM2
ATL : 1x : 0x 320 :
AUS : 1x : 4x 320 : CR7
BDL : 1x : 0x 319 :
BFL : 5x : 2x EM2 : EM2
BOI : 4x : 5x 737 : CR2/CR7
BOS : 7x : 6x (3x 767, 3x 757, 1x 320) : 738/739/757
BUR : 12x : 6x 737 : CR2
BWI : 1x : 1x 757 : 319/320
BZN : 0x : 1x : CR2
CDG : 1x : 0x 777 :
CEC : 2x : 2x EM2 : EM2
CLE : 0x : 1x : 320
CIC : 6x : 3x EM2 : EM2
COS : 0x : 1x : CR7
CUN : 0x : 1x : 738
DCA : 0x : 1x : 73G
DEN : 13x : 9x (5x 757, 3x 777, 3x 727, 1x 747, 1x 763) : 757/739/738/320/319
DFW : 1x : 4x 319 : CR7
EUG : 5x : 6x 737 : CRJ/CR7
EWR : 7x : 7x (5x 757, 2x 320) : 752/739/738/320/319
FLL : 0x : 1x : 738
FRA : 0x : 1x : 744
FAT : 16x : 4x EM2 : EM2
GDL : 0x : 1x : 738
GEG : 3x : 1x 737 : CRJ
HKG : 1x : 1x 744 : 744
HNL : 4x : 4x (2x 747, 2x D10) : 2x777/767/752
IAD : 7x : 8x (3x 320, 2x 763, 1x 777, 1x 757) : 757/739/738/320/319
IAH : 1x : 9x 727 : 757/739/738/320/319
ICN : 0x : 1x : 744
JAC : 0x : 1x - S : CR7
JFK : 8x : 7x 767 : 752
KIX : 1x : 1x 744 : 777
KOA : 1x : 2x 747 : 753/752
LAS : 11x : 9x 737 12xSaSu : 757/739/738/320/319/CR7
LAX : 36x : 13x 737 : 757/739/738/320/319
LHR : 2x : 1x 777 : 744
LIH : 1xS : 1x aSu 757 : 757
LMT : 0x : 1x : EM2
MCI : 0x : 2x : CR7
MCO : 1x : 2x 757 : 739/320
MEX : 1x : 2x 320 : 320/319
MFR : 5x : 6x (3x EM2, 2x 737) : CRJ/EM2
MIA : 1x : 0x 763 :
MMH : 0x : 2x : CR7
MOD : 5x : 3x EM2 : EM2
MRY : 10x : 6x (8x EM2, 1x 757, 1x 319) : EM2
MSP : 0x : 1x : 319
MSY : 1x : 1x 757 : 319
NRT : 2x : 2x 744 : 744/777
OGG : 2x : 2x (1x 777, 1x 757) : 753
OKC : 0x : 1x : CR7
ONT : 5x : 4x 737 : CRJ
ORD : 0x : 14x (6x 757, 2x 319, 2x 320, 1x 747, 1x D10, 1x 767) : 777/767/757/739/738/A320/A319
OTH : 0x : 1x : EM2
PDX : 11x : 8x 737 : 738/320/CR7/CRJ
PEK : 0x : 2x : 744
PHL : 3x : 3x 320 : 739/320/319
PHX : 6x : 5x 737 : 738/73G/CRJ
PIT : 0x : 1x : 320
PSC : 0x : 2x : CRJ
PSP : 5x : 7x EM2 : CRJ/CR7
PVG : 0x : 1x : 744
PVR : 0x : 1x : 320
RDD : 9x : 3x EM2 : EM2
RDM : 4x : 2x EM2 : CRJ/EM2
RDU : 0x : 1x : 738
RNO : 4x : 6x 737 : CRJ/CR7
SAT : 0x : 2x : CR7
SAN : 11x : 9x 737 : 757/739/738/320/319/CR7
SBA : 5x : 10x (4x 737, 1x EM2) : EM2
SBP : 6x : 5x : EM2
SEA : 14x : 7x 737 : 757/739/738/319/CR7/CRJ
SJD : 0x : 1x : 320
SLC : 3x : 5x 737 : CR7/CRJ
SMF : 16x : 7x EM2 : EM2
SNA : 6x : 8x (5x 757, 1x 320) : 738/320/319/CR7
STL : 0x : 1x : 319
SYD : 1x : 1x 744 : 744
TUS : 0x : 2x : CR7
YEG : 0x : 2x : CR7
YVR : 2x : 4x (1 x320, 1x 737) : 739/320/CRJ
YYC : 0x : 3x 737 : CR7
YYJ : 0x : 1x : CRJ
YYZ : 1x : 1x 320 : 319

Total 310 296


User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4441 times:

Quoting KDCA (Reply 68):

In April, UA will be starting SFO- TPE / CDG.



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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4263 times:

28L is closed today and possibly tomorrow for runway work. Landings are happening on 1L/R and departures on 10L. It was reported to expect 45 minute short haul delays.


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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 4173 times:

Anyone know why HA 17 from LAS diverted to SFO today? It was parked over near the A-Pier and then towed to the gate for departure.


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User currently offlinesfo212 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 4118 times:

Apparently it had a cracked windshield that needed replacement. Also, there was an Aeromexico 777 that made a stopover in the middle of the night enroute from Tijuana to Shangai. From what I heard it needed fuel. AMX 98 was the flight number.

User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 4111 times:

Quoting sfo212 (Reply 72):

Thanks for the info. Yes, the AM flight came in around 1:15AM and departed just before 3AM. Kind of odd it was short on fuel but looking at flight tracker, it was a 14 hr flight from SFO-PVG. So, must have been a strong head wind.



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User currently offlinesfo212 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4071 times:

Apparently it had a cracked windshield that needed replacement. Also, there was an Aeromexico 777 that made a stopover in the middle of the night enroute from Tijuana to Shangai. From what I heard it needed fuel. AMX 98 was the flight number.

User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 75, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week ago) and read 4017 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 71):
Anyone know why HA 17 from LAS diverted to SFO today? It was parked over near the A-Pier and then towed to the gate for departure.
Quoting sfo212 (Reply 72):
Apparently it had a cracked windshield that needed replacement.

Thank you guys...I was wondering why there was an HA bird sitting at SFO in the middle of the afternoon. I didn't get a close look at it, so I couldn't tell the aircraft type, except that it looked too small to be an A330...



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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3915 times:

Quoting warden145 (Reply 75):
HA 17 was a 763 with winglets.

On a side note, there is a Qatar Airbii 340 parked over at the super Bay at this time. Royals in town?

[Edited 2013-02-17 11:40:34]


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User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3887 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 76):
On a side note, there is a Qatar Airbii 340 parked over at the super Bay at this time. Royals in town?

That would be my guess. Not the first time they've been here, that's for certain...



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User currently offlineflySFO From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

I flew into SFO Friday night right before midnight and saw a United Charter 747 with an all black-tail parked at gate 84. Does anyone know what this was for and why it was parked at the passenger terminal? I didn't even know those gates could fit a 747, did an adjacent gate have to be blocked off? Also, what are these charter 747s like on the inside, and how many are there?

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25077 posts, RR: 46
Reply 79, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3877 times:

Military charter run. Headed out to Colorado Springs and Germany at 145am.

And yes on 747 using those gates. Back during the days of the 747 classics that concourse was utilized by the model all the time.



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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6124 posts, RR: 23
Reply 80, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3759 times:

Quoting flySFO (Reply 78):
I didn't even know those gates could fit a 747, did an adjacent gate have to be blocked off?



Gates 82.84.86 can all accommodate 747's. Gate 80 is no longer used however for 747's due to the close proximity to a/c at gate 79.



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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3655 times:

Is UA running any 747 domestic flights from SFO these days?


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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6124 posts, RR: 23
Reply 82, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3522 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 81):

Is UA running any 747 domestic flights from SFO these days?

I haven't scene us operate a 747 domestically in a while, then again I have not been watching that closely. The above mentioned military charters have been the most recent from SFO.



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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3321 times:

As was pointed out in another thread, Due to the 787 grounding, they are delaying their start of the SFO- CDG/TPE flights.

CDG is now showing a start of Aril 26 th and TPE is showing June 6 th. I can understand the TPE delay as they need the 777 but why the 763 for the CDG route?



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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3112 times:

Did SQ 1 go tech last night. It overnighted and was pulled to the Gate at about 3 pm for departure to HKG.






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User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3085 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 84):
Did SQ 1 go tech last night. It overnighted and was pulled to the Gate at about 3 pm for departure to HKG.

Interesting, and I think that this marks the first time SQ's A380 has seen daylight at SFO, since this time of year, the flight always lands after dark. On a similar note, since the flight's been operating long enough...does anyone know how it's doing compared to the 777? Is there any chance of SQ going to the A380 full-time as they get more frames?



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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

Saw this on YouTube. AA 738 in new colors arriving into SFO.


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uuZ8ObmlGGA



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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

Quoting warden145 (Reply 85):

It's too bad SQ could not wait another two hours, then there would have been 2 SQ A380s on the ground at the same time.



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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2806 times:

A little foggy at SFO this morning. There is an Airport and UA 777 out there somewhere.. It is suppose to burn off by early afternoon. A few delays up and down the Coast. I heard SJC had a ground stoppage this morning.







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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2550 times:

In just over a month, SK will start service into SFO. There have been a few false starts over the past few years but it looks like SFO will have another *A partner.

The airport is advertising the new route.





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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25077 posts, RR: 46
Reply 90, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2496 times:

Nice, but the jury is still very much out as to the future of SK.

Only in November they announced 6,000 layoff's and last month there was a suggestion that it should end most its longhaul ops due to cost associate with A340 fleet and broader network restructuring.

So enjoy what you can get of SAS for now.



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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 91, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 90):

True, but you can almost say that about many Euopen carriers, AZ, KL/AF, IB, TP. All are having financial difficulties.

With regards to SK, I could see it folded into the LH group.



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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2125 times:

It is the second time in three weeks that SQ 2 was delayed and made a rare daylight appearance into SFO. It arrived at 10:30 this morning as SQ 2D from HKG.

SQ 2D making a rare daylight landing at SFO



SQ 2D with Company SQ 16 in the background at SFO


Delayed flight SQ2D at SFO



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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1911 times:

For those of you interested, the SFO Airliner show is this weekend t he Grosvenor Hotel.

http://www.sfoairlineshow.com/



John@SFO
User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 94, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1779 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 93):
For those of you interested, the SFO Airliner show is this weekend t he Grosvenor Hotel.

Thanks! By some miracle I have Saturday off...may have to go check it out!



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