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What AA Planes Will Not Be Repainted In New Scheme  
User currently offlinedoulasc From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 534 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 21091 times:

I would say MD-80s,767-223ER,some older 757s. How much longer for the MD-80s and 767-223ERs before they leave the fleet.

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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 20863 times:

I think that's about right. Here is the question...is there an American Eagle/Connection paint scheme that is associated with this new mainline look? I would venture to say that some of the Exisiting ERJ's in the Eagle fleet will not be repainted either.

One other thing...would they keep a plane or two with an AA tail as a legacy aircraft, the way US has it and that AA already has with one 737?


User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 755 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 20828 times:

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
I would say MD-80s

I would think they would paint at least some of the MD-80s... Are they ALL going to be gone within the next 2-3 years?



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User currently onlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3483 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 20765 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 2):
I would think they would paint at least some of the MD-80s... Are they ALL going to be gone within the next 2-3 years?

It will take AA at least another 5-6 years to retire the MD-80 fleet; AA still has over 200 active MD-80s. I foresee every currently flying aircraft except for the 767-200ER receiving the new livery.

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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 20745 times:

Id say all planes that are scheduled for retirement in the next 3 or 4 years, so many MD80s, a few dozen 757s, all 762s and some 763s. All in all about 100 planes of the current fleet.

User currently offlineAA94 From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 20727 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 3):
It will take AA at least another 5-6 years to retire the MD-80 fleet; AA still has over 200 active MD-80s. I foresee every currently flying aircraft except for the 767-200ER receiving the new livery.

Not to be nitpicky, but AA has 192 MD-80s left in the fleet. They recently passed the "tipping point," whereas they finally have more 738s than MD-80s.



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User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 681 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 20573 times:

I'm positive the 757s and MD-80s will get repainted, except the ones leaving the fleet in the next year. AA is taking A321s to replace the 762s, but even those won't arrive until next year or longer. Maybe one or two of the new ones would even get repainted.

I don't think AA is messing around with the rebranding.

I'll be interested to see how quickly the Eagle fleet gets repainted. Those jets are going to look great in the new scheme. I think the shceme will look best on tail-engined airplanes.


User currently offlineBlueLine From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 20438 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 2):

Yes, there is a new livery for Eagle, and the American Connection brand is going away. The Eagle paint is the same as mainline, except it says American Eagle on the lower half of the fuselage, with the top of the lettering bordering on the bottom on the window line.


User currently offlinelollomz From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 20110 times:
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Any picture/s of the American Eagle new livery?

User currently offlineBlueLine From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 20102 times:

Quoting lollomz (Reply 8):
Any picture/s of the American Eagle new livery?
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/USA...a5e3c69f5da0197e57e2bd3dd3fdfcd35f

So far, this rendering is the only image of what the new Eagle livery will be. I can't wait to see it in person.


User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 20053 times:

Quoting BlueLine (Reply 9):
So far, this rendering is the only image of what the new Eagle livery will be. I can't wait to see it in person.

I wish they would have done something to stylize the "Eagle" instead of keeping it in the same typeface. It's bland compared to the old livery with the script "Eagle" that made it stand out more from the mainline brand.



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User currently offlinedoulasc From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 19589 times:

So no 777-323s,787s,Airbus fleet will have the classic red white and blue scheme,its retireing after 44 years.

User currently offlineamerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3795 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 19556 times:
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Quoting AA94 (Reply 5):
Not to be nitpicky, but AA has 192 MD-80s left in the fleet.

That's right. The MD-80 fleet will be down to 150 by the end of this year. My logic tells me that if they phase them out at this rate, they'll all be gone in 2018. The 757s will be gone early next decade, by then the youngest one will be 20.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 6):
I'm positive the 757s and MD-80s will get repainted, except the ones leaving the fleet in the next year.

I'm positive that at least one MD-80 and one 757 will be repainted in the new livery. That we can be sure.

Remember United when they introduced their battle ship gray livery exactly 20 years ago, didn't they repaint some of the 727s, 737-200s, DC-10s and Classic 747s knowing that they would phase all of those out by the early 2000s? I recall that also one 747SP was repainted in the battle ship livery.

Look at TWA. When they introduced their then new corporate scheme in 1996, they repainted one L-1011, one 747-100 and a few of the 727s knowing that they would also phase all of those out by the end of the 1990s.

Look at US Air. When it was re-branded as US Airways in 1997, one Shuttle 727 was repainted in the dark navy blue scheme, also knowing that they would retire all the 727s by the early 2000s.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 3):
I foresee every currently flying aircraft except for the 767-200ER receiving the new livery.

Everyone seems to insist on the fact that no 762ER will get the new livery, but I think it is not impossible that one of them gets the new livery. I would that at the most only two 762ERs will ever get the new livery. The 762ER fleet will be down to 8 units by the end of this year, they currently have 14 of them left. The first A321 is scheduled to be delivered this summer, if everything goes well, and so is the first A319.

The bottom line is, for each type of aircraft, it depends on when each airplane is due for its D check.

Ben Soriano



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11637 posts, RR: 61
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 19098 times:

I agree with others that the 767-200ERs, and many if not most of the MD80s and 757s, are unlikely to ever get repainted, as they will be leaving the fleet in the near future.

Quoting FSDan (Reply 2):
I would think they would paint at least some of the MD-80s... Are they ALL going to be gone within the next 2-3 years?

The MD80s are, sadly (for me, anyway), not going to be around a whole lot longer. They are drawing the fleet down incredibly rapidly (parking about 40 this year alone).

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 3):
It will take AA at least another 5-6 years to retire the MD-80 fleet; AA still has over 200 active MD-80s.

I don't think it will take 5-6 years. They are getting rid of them very quickly, and with 50+ new 737s/A319s/A321s arriving annually for pretty much the next 5 years straight, I don't see the rate of MD80 retirement slowing one bit.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 6):
I'm positive the 757s and MD-80s will get repainted, except the ones leaving the fleet in the next year.

Some of them - especially the 757s - might get repainted, but I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of both fleets simply stayed in their current livery.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 6):
AA is taking A321s to replace the 762s, but even those won't arrive until next year or longer.

The first A321s arrive at the end of this year.

Quoting doulasc (Reply 11):
So no 777-323s,787s,Airbus fleet will have the classic red white and blue scheme,its retireing after 44 years.

Correct. It's likely that everything from here forward - all 737s, 787s, 777s, and A319s/A321s - will come delivered in the new paint.

Quoting american 767 (Reply 12):
The MD-80 fleet will be down to 150 by the end of this year. My logic tells me that if they phase them out at this rate, they'll all be gone in 2018.

Assuming the rate of MD80 retirement doesn't slow, my math tells me they'll be gone before 2018. They are parking 40 MD80s this year alone. If that rate continues, they will all be gone by mid-to-late 2016.


User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 18901 times:

I posted this in another thread but there are so many it's difficult to keep track. We were told half of our (Eagle) fleet will be done by next year. I'm assuming what they mean is that our entire fleet will be painted because by next year our fleet will have been pared down quite a bit. So long story short, I'd expect them to start painting soon and have a good chunk done this year.

User currently offlinedelta88 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 18499 times:
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On a side note- AA still has MD-80 leases running into the early 2020s, and with the current financial Woes, I highly doubt they are willing to pay Early Lease Cancellation Fees


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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 18389 times:

Quoting delta88 (Reply 15):
On a side note- AA still has MD-80 leases running into the early 2020s, and with the current financial Woes, I highly doubt they are willing to pay Early Lease Cancellation Fees

Unless those leases get renegotiated during Bankruptcy.



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User currently offlineamerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3795 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 18332 times:
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Quoting commavia (Reply 13):
Correct.

It's like that for every airline, not just American. Whenever a new livery is unveiled by corporate management to the public, any airplane delivered to the airline on or after the day of unveiling is painted in the new livery.

Quoting commavia (Reply 13):
If that rate continues, they will all be gone by mid-to-late 2016.

I'd say 2017, at that rate. By then the 738 retirement will probably begin. When I said 2018, I meant to say that by early 2018, American should be MD-80 free. Now we both agree with each other. To MD-80 lovers, fly on those now while you can before it's too late. Unless you fly domestic to or from DFW, you don't have that many chances anymore to fly on a Super 80. In other words, now you won't see many MD-80s anymore unless you go to DFW.

Ben Soriano



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25338 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 17945 times:

Quoting american 767 (Reply 12):
Look at TWA. When they introduced their then new corporate scheme in 1996, they repainted one L-1011, one 747-100 and a few of the 727s knowing that they would also phase all of those out by the end of the 1990s.

JAL also repainted one (only) MD-90 in their new livery last September although I believe their remaining MD-90s are due for retirement by March. It was apparently in for maintenance and required repainting and it didn't make sense to repaint it in the old livery. I assume it will be going to DL.


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That aircraft operated a special MD-90 "retirement tour" of several airports in Japan last weekend, with tickets sold to the public at special fares.
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Related video.
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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26497 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 17940 times:

...Hopefully all of them. They need to improve the livery considerably.


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User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 16365 times:

From what I understand only 18 of the 757s (the 75L subfleet) will get paint, none of the 762. Have not heard about the S80 fleet. I would guess only some of the 763s will get it, as some will also be leaving the fleet.

User currently onlineyyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16278 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 15937 times:

AA has 100 752's and 180 M80's in service (total 280). AA has 111 738's on order thru 2017, and 131 A319/A321 on order thru 2017 (total 242 to largely, but not fully, replace the 280 752/M80).

So, unless AA plans to shrink, it will still be operating some M80/752 5 years from now (start of 2018) so it stands to reason some of these aircraft will be re-painted into the new livery.

Same with the 763 fleet....it will be years before they are all replaced by the 788/9. So we are very likely to see the 763 in the new livery.



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User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4897 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 14111 times:

Quoting american 767 (Reply 12):
Remember United when they introduced their battle ship gray livery exactly 20 years ago, didn't they repaint some of the 727s, 737-200s, DC-10s and Classic 747s knowing that they would phase all of those out by the early 2000s? I recall that also one 747SP was repainted in the battle ship livery.

Look at TWA. When they introduced their then new corporate scheme in 1996, they repainted one L-1011, one 747-100 and a few of the 727s knowing that they would also phase all of those out by the end of the 1990s.

Look at US Air. When it was re-branded as US Airways in 1997, one Shuttle 727 was repainted in the dark navy blue scheme, also knowing that they would retire all the 727s by the early 2000s.

And for a more modern take, Delta painted the DC-9-50s even though they would be retired five years after the merger. The -30s and -40s, however, were not painted, and were retired after a couple years.

And didn't they already paint an MD-80 in some oddball all-silver scheme forward of the leading edge in the rebranding video?



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User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 556 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 14035 times:

AA took delivery of 30 737s in 2012. Assuming that wouldn't change, it would only take them another 6 year to replace them all with Boeing.

However, starting this year, they will be getting A32x's and the 737NG's from the same order. So really, we can expect between 30-60 new aircraft this year and then ~60 from 2014 out. So it could be possible that AA could have the MD80s retired as soon as Q1 2017.

This is assuming that the OEO's are 319s and NG's being -800s.



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3753 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9688 times:

Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 22):
And didn't they already paint an MD-80 in some oddball all-silver scheme forward of the leading edge in the rebranding video?

From what I could see, that Mad Dog was a test plane to see which shade of silver paint was most "American".



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25 jwhite9185 : VS also painted G-VTOP into the latest scheme even though that one is due to leave any day now. Got myself booked on one from ORD-MCO in April, as the
26 kann123air : I'm flying a 763 in March DFW-LAX (continuing on to SYD after that). Would at least some of the 767-323ERs have the new livery?
27 gigneil : A huge number of DC10s, 727s, and classics got repainted. I don't believe that United would have precipitously grounded as many of those planes as fa
28 ckfred : ORD still has a fair amount of MD-80s. I'm booked both ways on an MD-80 between ORD and TPA in March. If you look at the schedule, you still see many
29 gigneil : I imagine ORD will see the MD-80 right up to the end, since it can reach just about every corner of the US with little difficulty. NS
30 flightsimer : 2018 for 737-800's? Ummmm no... They might retire the oldest ones that might be timing/cycling out by that time, but they won't be dropping the fleet
31 RyDawg82 : This was true of United's 727-222s. However, the last UA DC-10 revenue flight was 2-14-01. Ryan
32 american 767 : That's right. In Europe, only SAS still flies them. I'm happy for you that you booked a flight to fly on one, since it maybe the last time you will e
33 Antoniemey : So, all contract flying will be branded as American Eagle (Operated by X) going forward? Well, I was right, each of the big three will have a differe
34 TrijetsRMissed : Indeed ORD still sees plenty of MD-80 activity, including many 3+ hr legs. Of course, it is not what it was 5 years ago, when at least 80% of the dep
35 TrijetsRMissed : They are leased from BCC. I think an early cancellation agreement could be made, provided the terms dictate that these aircraft are replaced by firmi
36 jwhite9185 : Even those are going pretty fast. Oh yes, there will be a trip report!
37 JoePatroni707 : This is what I heard today, by year end 2014 1/3 of the fleet should be completed. First emphasis will be on the widebody fleet. Not specified of it w
38 planefreakaa : American has 2 Ex TWA MD-80s in Blythville Arkansas right now, and there is a aircraft painting facility there.
39 brilondon : Is AA looking for a 100 seat jet to replace some of the MD-80's on the thinner routes that don't require such a large aircraft?
40 JBo : That is the one thing I liked about the Eagle livery; it was distinct from mainline despite having the same basic look (the white paint, Eagle-only l
41 Antoniemey : I do miss ExpressJet having their name scrawled across the engine nacelles on the COEx ERJs... that was always something that seemed to say "Yes, we'
42 boeing767mech : Lease return............. Was sent to Roswell in August last year.
43 qqflyboy : This is probably true, as I doubt any of the ERJ-135 a/c will get the new paint. I believe they are all scheduled to leave the fleet sometime this ye
44 ghost77 : It's the US, they have to waste paint, of course the MD80s some will get the new scheme. Those due for retirement in 2030. Remember NW Dc9s... here co
45 JBo : Or the original Delta Connection livery where Comair, SkyWest, ASA, and BEX each had their own logo on the tail in lieu of the widget. The Ron Allen
46 msp747 : Don't they only have 11 319's on order? That doesn't seem to fill much capacity between Eagle and the MD80's. Even if they get 76 seat regional jets,
47 Spacepope : Delta was going to use Blythville to break up MD-80s from SAS too, and one of the ex-Saudia ferried there in the past week (probably also for scrappi
48 yyz717 : Agreed. With the Ch11, I could also see AA Eagle adding the CR9. The order is now 15 A319's and 116 A321's (total 131). As MSN's are progressively as
49 9w748capt : Awaiting the TR! Excellent. Makes me very very glad to live in OKC which sees exclusively S80 service OKC-DFW. Given the short distance of the flight
50 Post contains images LONGisland89 : Maybe the 763! I kid, I kid. I did see an AA 763 do a touch and go on 17L yesterday. Made my day!
51 american 767 : Not all of them, of course, but at least ONE of them will. I'm sure that out of 200 MD-80s left at least one will be repainted. And the same for the
52 Spacepope : Sorry I wasn't more clear. I was suggesting the 2 MD-80s in Blythville were perhaps going to the breakers rather than the paint shop there.
53 Antoniemey : I almost forgot about that... The ACA planes in the Ron Allen scheme always looked odd.
54 777way : What happened to thread part 4 on the AA livery, why was it deleted rather than being locked?
55 doulasc : In the American Eagle fleet I doubt any ATR-42s or 72s will get the new look.
56 N1120A : I would imagine that any MD80s that go through a C-check will get the new paint.
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