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DL SEA-HND. The Final Go-ahead?  
User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7438 posts, RR: 50
Posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 5486 times:
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Things have been very quiet here in SEA in regards to our pending service to HND later this year. We have yet to receive the final go from Washington. I understand that opponents of the award by the Federal Govt were in session voicing their cases shortly after award was given to us. Is that still going on? Is UA, HA, AA making some ground in getting the DOT to overturn its award? Any ideas?


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User currently offlinejayunited From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 1040 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5236 times:

I don't think the DOT will overturn their decision and award HND service to another airline. Although the other airlines may still be working behind the scene to get them to change their mind I'm sure Delta will get final approval very soon for this route.

User currently offlineazjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4030 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4733 times:

HAL is not challenging the decision. They made a good effort, weren't selected and will move on deploying that 332 in other areas they can make money.

User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 799 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4542 times:

How long did it take from having provisional approval to final approval last time DL got the LAX and DTW slots? If I recall correctly it was a month or two at the very least as well.

Let's not forget that demand for HND has been less than expected for most airlines. There's not much reason why DL can't load the SEA-HND flight into its schedules as airlines regularly put up flights that are still pending approval up for sale.

Next year HND should open up coveted daytime slots for US Traffic which means DL could operate to HND at prime time slots. In all likelihood, DL is quite happy to have the DOT drag its feet before getting final approval so that they can operate at the current sub-optimal times the least amount of time possible.

What is unclear to me is wether carriers with currently nighttime slots (AA, HA and DL) will get first dibs on the new daytime slots or if there will be a new contest to determine who gets these daytime slots.


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4173 times:
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Quoting SR117 (Reply 3):
Next year HND should open up coveted daytime slots for US Traffic which means DL could operate to HND at prime time slots. In all likelihood, DL is quite happy to have the DOT drag its feet before getting final approval so that they can operate at the current sub-optimal times the least amount of time possible.

What is counter-intuitive is that DL may have hard time getting at SEA for daytime departure to HND. Between 9am and 2pm, there's quite a bank of international flights that pretty much maximizes S-gate capacity.


User currently offlineYukon880 From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 137 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4113 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 4):
What is counter-intuitive is that DL may have hard time getting at SEA for daytime departure to HND. Between 9am and 2pm, there's quite a bank of international flights that pretty much maximizes S-gate capacity.



Seems like this would be something that DL planners would have already visited in preparation for their proposal. If it was necessary to depart between 0900 and 1400, and all other requirements were in order, I would wager they could find a place to park a 767 for boarding.

Just my two cents.  

~Yukon~



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User currently offlineLH707330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 849 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3119 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 4):
What is counter-intuitive is that DL may have hard time getting at SEA for daytime departure to HND. Between 9am and 2pm, there's quite a bank of international flights that pretty much maximizes S-gate capacity.

They could always move one of their 757s to another gate during that time....


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 963 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2920 times:

Quoting LH707330 (Reply 6):

But DL only has operations on S correct?



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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2755 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 7):

I think they still use A for some overflow.



yep.
User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7438 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2707 times:
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Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 7):
But DL only has operations on S correct?
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 8):
I think they still use A for some overflow.

We've been using the B concourse for overflow for the past several months during the midday push.



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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2693 times:

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 9):
We've been using the B concourse for overflow for the past several months during the midday push.

Ok sorry, B gates. I don't think they are Delta branded gates though.



yep.
User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 963 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2606 times:

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 9):
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 10):

Common use gates?



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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 11):

not sure if they are CUTE or just gates no one is using. I thought it was the old Delta gates(pre--merger) but fairly sure they were on A



yep.
User currently offlinerwsea From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2015 times:

DL was at B for a long time, then moved to A somewhere around 2002-2003 when the rebuild of Concourse A was completed. Then they moved to S after the NW merger. As far as overflow, B is probably better due to the train connection from S (which is more convenient to the gates than the train stop near A).

User currently offlineprost From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1248 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

DL has also had some midday overflow in the A gates, not as common as the B gates, but there have been some departures from A.

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