anfromme From Germany, joined Feb 2012, 573 posts, RR: 10 Posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2679 times:
Something I haven't seen discussed here and that hasn't been given much room in the news - Russia's UAC have published their 2012 production and delivery numbers.
The target was a modest 36 deliveries, but they only achieved "about twenty" (adding up the published numbers, you get to 19 deliveries in 2012).
Here's the production and delivery breakdown:
Even the two tiny glimmers of hope in this, the An-148 and the Superjet (the two types that aren't built exclusively for government use) fall way short of their targets (An-148 delivery target was 9, Superjet target was 24) and also short of sustainable production numbers, especially considering how many plants UAC operates to produce this few planes.
The reality is that there is not much hope (even glimmers) for the Russian aircraft industry in this.
Their annual production of 4 different aircraft models is equal to about 2 weeks of Boeing's 737 production. Until I saw the report in AIN, I didn't realise quite how far behind they had dropped. They are now so far adrift in terms of scale, it is difficult to see how they are going to come back from this point.
sibille From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 489 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2517 times:
I think the Superjet remains the best hope as the first Lao Central Airlines, the first Sky (Indonesia) and the first Interjet (Mexico) will be delivered soon after the first Yakutia aircraft was delivered. It's moving slowly but the production is increasing.
I also think if the exploitation of these aircrafts (Mexico, Indonesia and Laos + Thailand soon) is a succes, some more orders will arrive soon as a lot of small airlines are waiting for the feedback of "western airlines" operating that aircraft.
mandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 7380 posts, RR: 78
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2172 times:
Quoting sibille (Reply 3): I also think if the exploitation of these aircrafts (Mexico, Indonesia and Laos + Thailand soon) is a succes, some more orders will arrive soon as a lot of small airlines are waiting for the feedback of "western airlines" operating that aircraft.
Sky is reportedly getting a: "Use it, if you like it, pay for it" deal... or is it "Use it, if you don't like it, sell it back to us" deal...
There are guys at Sky who finished their type ratings awaiting these jets...
When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
anfromme From Germany, joined Feb 2012, 573 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1925 times:
Quoting AF185 (Reply 6): Great to learn there's a new II-96 in the sky!
From a spotter's perspective, sure - but it really isn't an airplane they should still be building. I'm also astounded that they still deliver Tu-154s. A type of which the last one should have left the production lines at least 15 years ago.
The Superjet may turn out to be fine in operations, and the An-148 may at least be a viable (cheap) plane for Eastern European and Asian airlines. Still - given that they have only two types with any type of sales potential, the size of their production capacities is mind-bogglingly silly. They're maintaining a staggering five plants to build 6 1/2 types. The Tu-204 and Tu-214 aren't even built on the same line, and one of the plants didn't complete a single plane in 2012.
The overhead UAC still keeps is absolutely amazing.
Seems like despite all the good intentions when UAC was created very quickly gave way to the same-old, same-old - the drain on resources this entails also ensures that projects with any potential whatsoever have an even harder time to get going.
Quoting Captainmeeerkat (Reply 2): It is a pity because some of the engineers are extremely bright and innovative and could be put to better use in other places.
KiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 9301 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1576 times:
UAC sounds an awful lot like Russia's United Shipbuilding Corporation, vast production facilities, massive managerial incompetence backed up by a very hard working, technically adept but underpaid workforce. A number of good yards have been forced into this dogs breakfast of a company only to be corrupted and eventually gutted.