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User currently offline2008matt From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 139 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 20186 times:

Are there any 787 dreamliners as private jets on order now or in the near future, considering the 767 has a few, and its of a similar size?


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15794 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 20165 times:

Quoting 2008matt (Thread starter):
Are there any 787 dreamliners as private jets on order now or in the near future, considering the 767 has a few, and its of a similar size?

Yep. I think it's six for BBJ/VIP customers plus another two for PrivatAir.



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User currently offline2008matt From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 20140 times:

Do you know when they are likely to be delivered, and if the privatair 787's will be based in GVA or elsewhere?


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15794 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 20114 times:

Quoting 2008matt (Reply 2):
Do you know when they are likely to be delivered,

Not sure, but there was speculation that some of the early airframes that have been cut open and improved more than Joan Rivers might end up as private jets, but I'm not sure if that's going anywhere or not. I'm pretty sure a couple VIPs ordered -9s, so those won't be delivered for a while yet.

Quoting 2008matt (Reply 2):
if the privatair 787's will be based in GVA or elsewhere?

I would assume so.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31131 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 20057 times:
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Quoting 2008matt (Thread starter):
Are there any 787 dreamliners as private jets on order now or in the near future...

There are currently six 787 VIP airframes on order. At one time the total was at least 16, however once the Global Financial Crisis hit, a number of them were subsequently cancelled.



Quoting 2008matt (Reply 2):
Do you know when they are likely to be delivered...

I don't believe their delivery dates have ever been made public.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
Not sure, but there was speculation that some of the early airframes that have been cut open and improved more than Joan Rivers might end up as private jets, but I'm not sure if that's going anywhere or not.

Last I heard, Boeing still intends to deliver ZA004, ZA005 and ZA006 as 787 VIP airframes once their use as test frames is done.

[Edited 2013-01-20 09:01:02]

User currently onlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1448 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 19895 times:

I saw a list on Twitter Yesterday that showed Boeing's BBJ Delivery schedule and prices and here is where the 787 BBJ stands:

787-8, 3rd quarter 2019- $200.006 Million list price, $80-150 Million VIP Interior Estimate.

787-9, 3rd quarter 2020- $233.158 Million list price, $80-150 Million VIP Interior Estimate.

I found the 748 availability very interesting though for someone who needs a BBJ quick because it'll be available in 9 months.

747-8, October 2013- $330.031 Million list price, $140-250 Million VIP Interior Estimate.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12258 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 19835 times:

You mean this slide:

Quote:
Last I heard, Boeing still intends to deliver ZA004, ZA005 and ZA006 as 787 VIP airframes once their use as test frames is done.

That's what I heard too. ZA006 is undergoing change incorporation for a while now, it might be delivered this year (without the interior). ZA005 is still fly testing for Boeing so delivery won't happen until 2014 at least I guess.

[Edited 2013-01-20 09:40:58]


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User currently onlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1448 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 19704 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 6):
You mean this slide:

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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3713 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 19522 times:

What aircraft is a BBJ C?


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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 19429 times:

BBJ C is basically a 737-700C.

It can be quick changed from pax to cargo service in about 8 hours, for carrying anything the discerning customer might need - racehorses, fine cars, Egyptian artifacts, you name it.

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User currently offlineakelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2193 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 19355 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 8):
What aircraft is a BBJ C?


BBJ C is a variant of the BBJ featuring the "quick change" capabilities of the 737-700C. This allows the aircraft to be used for executive duty during one flight, and to be quickly reconfigured for cargo duty for the next flight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Business_Jet


User currently offline2008matt From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 19205 times:

Is that roughly the same list price as commercial jets not including discounts


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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 19173 times:

Its about the same yes.... the prices are fairly guarded and there are sooooo many options that its difficult to really pinpoint. But the range seems approximately right with the range for the same planes.

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User currently offline4tet From Spain, joined Sep 2007, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16886 times:

I understand that with the 'List price' comes EVERYTHING needed for the aircraft to fly (airframe, engines, apu, cockpit, electronics, etc...) except the interior.

If so, 80M - 150M for the interior completion, it's so exaggerated! I understand that if you want everything with gold and diamonds can be much more, but for a regular completion with materials like leather and wood, I found it simply unacceptable!


User currently offlinepanpan From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 16665 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
early airframes that have been cut open and improved more than Joan Rivers

zing!


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25696 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 16338 times:

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 10):
Quoting 777STL (Reply 8):
What aircraft is a BBJ C?


BBJ C is a variant of the BBJ featuring the "quick change" capabilities of the 737-700C. This allows the aircraft to be used for executive duty during one flight, and to be quickly reconfigured for cargo duty for the next flight.

Comparable to the C-40A Clipper for the U.S. Navy, to replace their DC-9-30-based C-9Bs. They recently ordered 2 more.

Cargo door visible in second photo.


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User currently offlineAM From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 590 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 16317 times:

One of the VIP 787s is supposedly destined for the Mexican Air Force (FAM) for presidential flights.


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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4087 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 16235 times:
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Quoting 4tet (Reply 13):
If so, 80M - 150M for the interior completion, it's so exaggerated!

Keep a few things in mind:
a) Every interior is pretty much unique. No one buys a VIP aircraft to have it looking like a carbon copy of their neighbor's. Someone has to design that interior from scratch.
b) Aircraft have unique shapes and requirements. Most of what goes in is custom-made, you can't go to Ikea to buy a sofa and fit it inside your plane.
c) Pretty much everything used for the interior has to be certified to higher standards than what you find in your house, from the electrical cables to prevent a spark inside the cabinet housing the tv to the carpet on the floor far more resistant to fire than a standard carpet. Try using non-certified material and your insurance carrier will terminate coverage.

[Edited 2013-01-20 15:32:09]


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User currently offline2008matt From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 13043 times:

Could the US government buy one to replace Air Force two, as that must be getting old now?


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User currently offlinemingocr83 From Costa Rica, joined Dec 2007, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12784 times:

Quoting AM (Reply 16):

Well, it was confirmed on the first week of November. I was staying at the NH Hotel in MEX when I saw this article on the news paper. Seems it was a good deal made by Boeing to the Mexican Government after AMX made their order for the 787...



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User currently offlinemingocr83 From Costa Rica, joined Dec 2007, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12747 times:

Quoting 2008matt (Reply 18):

It was rumored that a 77L BBJ could be the solution...



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User currently offline2008matt From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12636 times:

Quoting mingocr83 (Reply 20):

I see, so upsizing then, also what will replace Air Force one when that retires?



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 20751 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12570 times:

Quoting 2008matt (Reply 21):
I see, so upsizing then, also what will replace Air Force one when that retires?

I don't see why they would go from a 757-based jet to one the size of the 77L. There are also 6 C-32s, 4 in the executive configuration, so there isn't just one which is flown as Air Force Two for the Vice-President.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_C-32



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User currently offlinePellegrine From France, joined Mar 2007, 2468 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 12032 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
Last I heard, Boeing still intends to deliver ZA004, ZA005 and ZA006 as 787 VIP airframes once their use as test frames is done.

I wouldn't even want those if Boeing offered to sell one to me for $30M.



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User currently offlineskywaymanaz From United States of America, joined May 2012, 544 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11929 times:

Quoting 2008matt (Reply 21):
what will replace Air Force one when that retires?

A version of the 777 and 787 have been mentioned but I expect it will be a few 747-8's. The amount of press that accompanies the President and flies with him on Air Force One justifies this. When they flew the 707 variant the travel office at the White House had to charter another aircraft on most Presidential events to carry the press. They'd film Air Force One takeoff then scramble on to the press plane to race ahead and then film Air Force One land. It was kind of silly and today you usually only see this happen for a big prestige international trip as the number of reporters increases beyond what the 747 can carry. I expect something to be announced on this after the next Presidential election.


25 Antoniemey : If you've got the $30m... give it to me, I'll put it to good use. :P
26 2008matt : Haha I will second that
27 LH422 : This would also mean that if LH, CA or KE wanted theirs earlier, that should be possible.
28 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Here it is: (uploaded by http://www.flickr.com/photos/flightblogger/)
29 Pellegrine : If I get a WB PJ I'll interview you for a job as a "ground services manager" i.e. no loading, but supervising. You'd fly with me, and my company pays
30 Antoniemey : Works for me.
31 totesen : Indeed, a 787-9 should replace the current 757-200 as the future Mexican Presidential aircraft.
32 Post contains images PC12Fan : Seems to me that a 767-200LR would be a better solution. Slightly bigger upgrade. Definitely would have the long legs. Would have worldwide support w
33 gabrielchew : I agree. Even including top of the range fire retardant materials and high spec electricals, how on earth can a few sofas, beds, chairs and bathrooms
34 yellowtail : Not to mention I am sure the POTUS transfer requirements are better served by 4 engines vs 2.
35 tdscanuck : Certification. An enourmous amount of testing and engineering is required to demonstrate that the fittings comply with the regulations. For example,
36 Post contains images Viscount724 : Aren't there now 5 in VIP configuration, including this one (90016) acquired from AA a few years ago (originally TWA)? The window configuration looks
37 Post contains links and images AeroWesty : Could be, I don't really look at 'em since they don't have the right livery. View Large View MediumPhoto © David Partington
38 KarelXWB : It could but it's not gonna happen. Boeing will introduce an updated 747-8i in 2014, it's smarter to wait for it. The first Air China line number (14
39 Post contains images neutrino : In the second pic, underwing reflection makes the bird appear to sport the yet-to-fly dual feather winglet.
40 777STL : Not to mention that aircraft quality furnishings are not surprisingly, designed specifically for aircraft, which means they're overengineered and bui
41 7BOEING7 : And the dance floor with the mirrored ball has to have railings to hang on to so that in case of turbulence you don't go flying--I'm sure the owner t
42 ghost77 : Mexico's Air Force is due to get a VIP 787, might be the first VIP 787. g77
43 2008matt : The queen should get herself one, maybe 747-8 or 787-9
44 skywaymanaz : I strongly question whether The Queen's Flight needs this but perhaps if it was shared with the Prime Minister. The once speculated Blair Force One.
45 2008matt : Very badly I would have thought haha, would make the government even more unpopular ha
46 Pygmalion : that and the flammability requirement that everything in the cabin must be proven not to sustain a fire... that burlwood commode cant be flammable..
47 bikerthai : Not only flammability but also, in the cabin, smoke toxicity. Not may substances meet both requirements. Funny thing though, wool and leather meet th
48 Post contains links 2008matt : www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS6lq_kaU0E Just found this video for artists impression of 787 private jet.
49 KarelXWB : The WSJ is reporting: "Michael Dell Has Dreamliner on Order"
50 Post contains images fauzi : Well... there definitely is a B788 VIP due for delivery to a customer sometime this year... Can't say who or where though
51 2008matt : What are the list prices on a 787 and a 767, as I guess the more economic 787 isn't such an issue for a private user who isn't flying almost 24/7 like
52 Post contains links Stitch : http://www.boeing.com/commercial/prices/index.html
53 2008matt : So with the list price of the 767 about 40 million below the 787 it is probably more likely that a private jet customer would buy a 767 as it is unlik
54 sweair : If I had a boat load of cash I would rather have a VIP 787 than a 767, the 787 allows for a more comfortable cabin environment, less noise, higher hum
55 2008matt : Yes that's true but 40 million is a large difference
56 neutrino : The figure by itself, yes. But relatively, the '67 is only twenty percent cheaper (788 vs 762) than the Dreamliner. So much superior metal...err, pla
57 RWA380 : The two very low cycle 747's currently used will remain for years to come, of course these are most likely the most well maintained and scrutinized a
58 flightsimer : In the DELL 787 thread, a press release said from Boeing their was 12 787 BBJ's on order. actually, the 747-8i does have ETOPS. It was the first four
59 Post contains images PenPusher : ETOPS is only needed for twin engined aircraft, the 747 can go anywhere it wants
60 Post contains links and images Stitch : Fair enough. Boeing Business Jets shows 6 customers, so the other 6 must be UFOs or are ordered by airlines, but will be configured for VIP use. Sinc
61 tdscanuck : But, regardless of number of engines, ETOPS only applies to Part 121 carriers. Private operators can do whatever they want. Tom.
62 flightsimer : what about Part 135?
63 2008matt : Any new on orders for a350 private jets?
64 tdscanuck : I believe Part 135 is exempt to that as well, although I suspect some Part 135 carriers may incorporate the equivalent into their SOPs for prudence.
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