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787 Dreamliner Private Jet?  
User currently offline2008matt From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 139 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20363 times:

Are there any 787 dreamliners as private jets on order now or in the near future, considering the 767 has a few, and its of a similar size?


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15812 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20342 times:

Quoting 2008matt (Thread starter):
Are there any 787 dreamliners as private jets on order now or in the near future, considering the 767 has a few, and its of a similar size?

Yep. I think it's six for BBJ/VIP customers plus another two for PrivatAir.



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User currently offline2008matt From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20317 times:

Do you know when they are likely to be delivered, and if the privatair 787's will be based in GVA or elsewhere?


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15812 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20291 times:

Quoting 2008matt (Reply 2):
Do you know when they are likely to be delivered,

Not sure, but there was speculation that some of the early airframes that have been cut open and improved more than Joan Rivers might end up as private jets, but I'm not sure if that's going anywhere or not. I'm pretty sure a couple VIPs ordered -9s, so those won't be delivered for a while yet.

Quoting 2008matt (Reply 2):
if the privatair 787's will be based in GVA or elsewhere?

I would assume so.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31259 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20234 times:
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Quoting 2008matt (Thread starter):
Are there any 787 dreamliners as private jets on order now or in the near future...

There are currently six 787 VIP airframes on order. At one time the total was at least 16, however once the Global Financial Crisis hit, a number of them were subsequently cancelled.



Quoting 2008matt (Reply 2):
Do you know when they are likely to be delivered...

I don't believe their delivery dates have ever been made public.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
Not sure, but there was speculation that some of the early airframes that have been cut open and improved more than Joan Rivers might end up as private jets, but I'm not sure if that's going anywhere or not.

Last I heard, Boeing still intends to deliver ZA004, ZA005 and ZA006 as 787 VIP airframes once their use as test frames is done.

[Edited 2013-01-20 09:01:02]

User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1449 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 20072 times:

I saw a list on Twitter Yesterday that showed Boeing's BBJ Delivery schedule and prices and here is where the 787 BBJ stands:

787-8, 3rd quarter 2019- $200.006 Million list price, $80-150 Million VIP Interior Estimate.

787-9, 3rd quarter 2020- $233.158 Million list price, $80-150 Million VIP Interior Estimate.

I found the 748 availability very interesting though for someone who needs a BBJ quick because it'll be available in 9 months.

747-8, October 2013- $330.031 Million list price, $140-250 Million VIP Interior Estimate.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12734 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 20012 times:

You mean this slide:

Quote:
Last I heard, Boeing still intends to deliver ZA004, ZA005 and ZA006 as 787 VIP airframes once their use as test frames is done.

That's what I heard too. ZA006 is undergoing change incorporation for a while now, it might be delivered this year (without the interior). ZA005 is still fly testing for Boeing so delivery won't happen until 2014 at least I guess.

[Edited 2013-01-20 09:40:58]


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User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1449 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 19881 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 6):
You mean this slide:

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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3746 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 19699 times:

What aircraft is a BBJ C?


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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 19606 times:

BBJ C is basically a 737-700C.

It can be quick changed from pax to cargo service in about 8 hours, for carrying anything the discerning customer might need - racehorses, fine cars, Egyptian artifacts, you name it.

NS


User currently offlineakelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2194 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 19532 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 8):
What aircraft is a BBJ C?


BBJ C is a variant of the BBJ featuring the "quick change" capabilities of the 737-700C. This allows the aircraft to be used for executive duty during one flight, and to be quickly reconfigured for cargo duty for the next flight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Business_Jet


User currently offline2008matt From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 19382 times:

Is that roughly the same list price as commercial jets not including discounts


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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 19350 times:

Its about the same yes.... the prices are fairly guarded and there are sooooo many options that its difficult to really pinpoint. But the range seems approximately right with the range for the same planes.

NS


User currently offline4tet From Spain, joined Sep 2007, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 17063 times:

I understand that with the 'List price' comes EVERYTHING needed for the aircraft to fly (airframe, engines, apu, cockpit, electronics, etc...) except the interior.

If so, 80M - 150M for the interior completion, it's so exaggerated! I understand that if you want everything with gold and diamonds can be much more, but for a regular completion with materials like leather and wood, I found it simply unacceptable!


User currently offlinepanpan From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 16842 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
early airframes that have been cut open and improved more than Joan Rivers

zing!


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25871 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 16515 times:

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 10):
Quoting 777STL (Reply 8):
What aircraft is a BBJ C?


BBJ C is a variant of the BBJ featuring the "quick change" capabilities of the 737-700C. This allows the aircraft to be used for executive duty during one flight, and to be quickly reconfigured for cargo duty for the next flight.

Comparable to the C-40A Clipper for the U.S. Navy, to replace their DC-9-30-based C-9Bs. They recently ordered 2 more.

Cargo door visible in second photo.


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User currently offlineAM From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 590 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 16494 times:

One of the VIP 787s is supposedly destined for the Mexican Air Force (FAM) for presidential flights.


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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4127 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 16412 times:
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Quoting 4tet (Reply 13):
If so, 80M - 150M for the interior completion, it's so exaggerated!

Keep a few things in mind:
a) Every interior is pretty much unique. No one buys a VIP aircraft to have it looking like a carbon copy of their neighbor's. Someone has to design that interior from scratch.
b) Aircraft have unique shapes and requirements. Most of what goes in is custom-made, you can't go to Ikea to buy a sofa and fit it inside your plane.
c) Pretty much everything used for the interior has to be certified to higher standards than what you find in your house, from the electrical cables to prevent a spark inside the cabinet housing the tv to the carpet on the floor far more resistant to fire than a standard carpet. Try using non-certified material and your insurance carrier will terminate coverage.

[Edited 2013-01-20 15:32:09]


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User currently offline2008matt From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13220 times:

Could the US government buy one to replace Air Force two, as that must be getting old now?


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User currently offlinemingocr83 From Costa Rica, joined Dec 2007, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12961 times:

Quoting AM (Reply 16):

Well, it was confirmed on the first week of November. I was staying at the NH Hotel in MEX when I saw this article on the news paper. Seems it was a good deal made by Boeing to the Mexican Government after AMX made their order for the 787...



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User currently offlinemingocr83 From Costa Rica, joined Dec 2007, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12924 times:

Quoting 2008matt (Reply 18):

It was rumored that a 77L BBJ could be the solution...



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User currently offline2008matt From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12813 times:

Quoting mingocr83 (Reply 20):

I see, so upsizing then, also what will replace Air Force one when that retires?



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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20789 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12747 times:

Quoting 2008matt (Reply 21):
I see, so upsizing then, also what will replace Air Force one when that retires?

I don't see why they would go from a 757-based jet to one the size of the 77L. There are also 6 C-32s, 4 in the executive configuration, so there isn't just one which is flown as Air Force Two for the Vice-President.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_C-32



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2480 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12209 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
Last I heard, Boeing still intends to deliver ZA004, ZA005 and ZA006 as 787 VIP airframes once their use as test frames is done.

I wouldn't even want those if Boeing offered to sell one to me for $30M.



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User currently offlineskywaymanaz From United States of America, joined May 2012, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12106 times:

Quoting 2008matt (Reply 21):
what will replace Air Force one when that retires?

A version of the 777 and 787 have been mentioned but I expect it will be a few 747-8's. The amount of press that accompanies the President and flies with him on Air Force One justifies this. When they flew the 707 variant the travel office at the White House had to charter another aircraft on most Presidential events to carry the press. They'd film Air Force One takeoff then scramble on to the press plane to race ahead and then film Air Force One land. It was kind of silly and today you usually only see this happen for a big prestige international trip as the number of reporters increases beyond what the 747 can carry. I expect something to be announced on this after the next Presidential election.


User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1601 posts, RR: 4
Reply 25, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12284 times:

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 23):
I wouldn't even want those if Boeing offered to sell one to me for $30M.

If you've got the $30m... give it to me, I'll put it to good use. :P



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User currently offline2008matt From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12201 times:

Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 25):

Haha I will second that



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User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 422 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12186 times:

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 5):
I found the 748 availability very interesting though for someone who needs a BBJ quick because it'll be available in 9 months.

This would also mean that if LH, CA or KE wanted theirs earlier, that should be possible.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12734 posts, RR: 35
Reply 28, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12248 times:

Quoting 2008matt (Reply 18):
Could the US government buy one to replace Air Force two, as that must be getting old now?

Here it is:


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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2480 posts, RR: 8
Reply 29, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12145 times:

Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 25):
If you've got the $30m... give it to me, I'll put it to good use. :P

If I get a WB PJ I'll interview you for a job as a "ground services manager" i.e. no loading, but supervising. You'd fly with me, and my company pays way above average. How about that?



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User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1601 posts, RR: 4
Reply 30, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11671 times:

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 29):
If I get a WB PJ I'll interview you for a job as a "ground services manager" i.e. no loading, but supervising. You'd fly with me, and my company pays way above average. How about that?

Works for me.



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User currently offlinetotesen From Mexico, joined Dec 2008, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 10917 times:

Quoting AM (Reply 16):

Indeed, a 787-9 should replace the current 757-200 as the future Mexican Presidential aircraft.



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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2457 posts, RR: 5
Reply 32, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10448 times:

Quoting mingocr83 (Reply 20):
Quoting 2008matt (Reply 18):

It was rumored that a 77L BBJ could be the solution...

Seems to me that a 767-200LR would be a better solution. Slightly bigger upgrade. Definitely would have the long legs. Would have worldwide support with commonality to the new tanker fleet. Yet not a huge platform.   



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User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3341 posts, RR: 12
Reply 33, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9786 times:

Quoting 4tet (Reply 13):
If so, 80M - 150M for the interior completion, it's so exaggerated! I understand that if you want everything with gold and diamonds can be much more, but for a regular completion with materials like leather and wood, I found it simply unacceptable!

I agree. Even including top of the range fire retardant materials and high spec electricals, how on earth can a few sofas, beds, chairs and bathrooms come anywhere near that amount of money?



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User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6312 posts, RR: 2
Reply 34, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9796 times:

Quoting skywaymanaz (Reply 24):

Quoting 2008matt (Reply 21):
what will replace Air Force one when that retires?

A version of the 777 and 787 have been mentioned but I expect it will be a few 747-8's.

Not to mention I am sure the POTUS transfer requirements are better served by 4 engines vs 2.



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User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 35, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8815 times:

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 33):
how on earth can a few sofas, beds, chairs and bathrooms come anywhere near that amount of money?

Certification. An enourmous amount of testing and engineering is required to demonstrate that the fittings comply with the regulations. For example, not many run of the mill couches will stay attached to the floor at 16g.

Tom.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25871 posts, RR: 22
Reply 36, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8640 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 22):
There are also 6 C-32s, 4 in the executive configuration, so there isn't just one which is flown as Air Force Two for the Vice-President.

Aren't there now 5 in VIP configuration, including this one (90016) acquired from AA a few years ago (originally TWA)? The window configuration looks similar to the 4 original VIP C-32As.


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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20789 posts, RR: 62
Reply 37, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8550 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 36):
Aren't there now 5 in VIP configuration

Could be, I don't really look at 'em since they don't have the right livery.  
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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12734 posts, RR: 35
Reply 38, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8345 times:

Quoting LH422 (Reply 27):
This would also mean that if LH, CA or KE wanted theirs earlier, that should be possible.

It could but it's not gonna happen. Boeing will introduce an updated 747-8i in 2014, it's smarter to wait for it. The first Air China line number (1499) has already been allocated and it should start final assembly in the beginning of 2014.

[Edited 2013-01-22 01:13:18]


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User currently offlineneutrino From Singapore, joined May 2012, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 8177 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):

In the second pic, underwing reflection makes the bird appear to sport the yet-to-fly dual feather winglet.  



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3746 posts, RR: 3
Reply 40, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8002 times:

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 35):
Certification. An enourmous amount of testing and engineering is required to demonstrate that the fittings comply with the regulations. For example, not many run of the mill couches will stay attached to the floor at 16g.

Not to mention that aircraft quality furnishings are not surprisingly, designed specifically for aircraft, which means they're overengineered and built out of higher quality materials that their regular counterparts. It's not as if they go down to the local furniture store to outfit an aircraft.



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 41, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7989 times:

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 35):
Certification. An enourmous amount of testing and engineering is required to demonstrate that the fittings comply with the regulations. For example, not many run of the mill couches will stay attached to the floor at 16g.

Tom.

And the dance floor with the mirrored ball has to have railings to hang on to so that in case of turbulence you don't go flying--I'm sure the owner took them out as soon as he got it home.


User currently offlineghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5226 posts, RR: 51
Reply 42, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7649 times:

Mexico's Air Force is due to get a VIP 787, might be the first VIP 787.

g77



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User currently offline2008matt From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7622 times:

The queen should get herself one, maybe 747-8 or 787-9


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User currently offlineskywaymanaz From United States of America, joined May 2012, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7537 times:

Quoting 2008matt (Reply 43):
The queen should get herself one

I strongly question whether The Queen's Flight needs this but perhaps if it was shared with the Prime Minister. The once speculated Blair Force One. Then again I'm not a Briton so not sure how this is viewed across the pond by HM Taxpayers.


User currently offline2008matt From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7340 times:

Quoting skywaymanaz (Reply 44):

Very badly I would have thought haha, would make the government even more unpopular ha



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User currently offlinePygmalion From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 968 posts, RR: 38
Reply 46, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7249 times:

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 35):
Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 33):
how on earth can a few sofas, beds, chairs and bathrooms come anywhere near that amount of money?

Certification. An enourmous amount of testing and engineering is required to demonstrate that the fittings comply with the regulations. For example, not many run of the mill couches will stay attached to the floor at 16g.

Tom.

that and the flammability requirement that everything in the cabin must be proven not to sustain a fire... that burlwood commode cant be flammable.. so they are typically a very thin veneer of wood over a composite substrate... not cheap.


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2170 posts, RR: 4
Reply 47, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7211 times:

Quoting Pygmalion (Reply 46):

that and the flammability requirement that everything in the cabin must be proven not to sustain a fire

Not only flammability but also, in the cabin, smoke toxicity. Not may substances meet both requirements.

Funny thing though, wool and leather meet these requirements very well.

bt



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User currently offline2008matt From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7002 times:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS6lq_kaU0E

Just found this video for artists impression of 787 private jet.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12734 posts, RR: 35
Reply 49, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6953 times:

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User currently offlinefauzi From Brunei, joined Jul 2005, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6761 times:

Well... there definitely is a B788 VIP due for delivery to a customer sometime this year... Can't say who or where though  


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User currently offline2008matt From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 6495 times:

What are the list prices on a 787 and a 767, as I guess the more economic 787 isn't such an issue for a private user who isn't flying almost 24/7 like commercial jets?


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31259 posts, RR: 85
Reply 52, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6346 times:
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Quoting 2008matt (Reply 51):
What are the list prices on a 787 and a 767...
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/prices/index.html


User currently offline2008matt From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6160 times:

So with the list price of the 767 about 40 million below the 787 it is probably more likely that a private jet customer would buy a 767 as it is unlikely the savings from the 787 will not equate to that difference?


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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1831 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6117 times:

If I had a boat load of cash I would rather have a VIP 787 than a 767, the 787 allows for a more comfortable cabin environment, less noise, higher humidity and cabin pressure.

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User currently offline2008matt From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6082 times:

Yes that's true but 40 million is a large difference


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User currently offlineneutrino From Singapore, joined May 2012, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6068 times:

Quoting 2008matt (Reply 55):

Yes that's true but 40 million is a large difference

The figure by itself, yes.
But relatively, the '67 is only twenty percent cheaper (788 vs 762) than the Dreamliner.
So much superior metal...err, plastic...for a little more moolah.



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3435 posts, RR: 5
Reply 57, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6021 times:

Quoting 2008matt (Reply 18):
Could the US government buy one to replace Air Force two, as that must be getting old now?

The two very low cycle 747's currently used will remain for years to come, of course these are most likely the most well maintained and scrutinized aircraft in the world.

Quoting mingocr83 (Reply 20):
It was rumored that a 77L BBJ could be the solution
Quoting skywaymanaz (Reply 24):
A version of the 777 and 787 have been mentioned but I expect it will be a few 747-8's

I can not find it readily, but there was a thread on this exact subject, and IIRC, the 748i was the hands down winner, not only for the passenger capabilities, but also the extra two engines that help give just an added level of security and no ETOPS.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 28):
Here it is:

Absolutely beautiful, I feel the leader of the free world should have an aircraft that is impressive, and the certainly the best that the USA has to offer.



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User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 58, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5862 times:

Quoting 2008matt (Reply 2):
Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):

In the DELL 787 thread, a press release said from Boeing their was 12 787 BBJ's on order.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 57):
I can not find it readily, but there was a thread on this exact subject, and IIRC, the 748i was the hands down winner, not only for the passenger capabilities, but also the extra two engines that help give just an added level of security and no ETOPS.

actually, the 747-8i does have ETOPS. It was the first four engine aircraft to receive it since the modification of what ETOPS was. However, I would assume that doesn't matter for the military.



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User currently offlinePenPusher From Ireland, joined Oct 2000, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5818 times:

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 58):
the 747-8i does have ETOPS

ETOPS is only needed for twin engined aircraft, the 747 can go anywhere it wants  


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31259 posts, RR: 85
Reply 60, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5796 times:
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Quoting flightsimer (Reply 58):
In the DELL 787 thread, a press release said from Boeing their was 12 787 BBJ's on order.

Fair enough. Boeing Business Jets shows 6 customers, so the other 6 must be UFOs or are ordered by airlines, but will be configured for VIP use.


Quoting flightsimer (Reply 58):
actually, the 747-8i does have ETOPS.
Quoting PenPusher (Reply 59):
ETOPS is only needed for twin engined aircraft, the 747 can go anywhere it wants.   

Since 2007, the FAA defines as "ExTended OPerationS" and for diversions greater than 180 minutes, they do apply to aircraft with three and four engines after 2015. I do not know all of the details, but cargo fire suppression capabilities are part of the regulations.

(Airbus suggested the term LROPS (Long Range OPerationS) for three and four-engine planes.)

Boeing's Aero Magazine has an article on the new FAA ETOPs rules.

FlightGlobal article on the 747-8 ETOPS.

[Edited 2013-01-26 11:50:37]

User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 61, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5703 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 60):
Since 2007, the FAA defines as "ExTended OPerationS" and for diversions greater than 180 minutes, they do apply to aircraft with three and four engines after 2015.

But, regardless of number of engines, ETOPS only applies to Part 121 carriers. Private operators can do whatever they want.

Tom.


User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 62, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5573 times:

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 61):

what about Part 135?



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User currently offline2008matt From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5410 times:

Any new on orders for a350 private jets?


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User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 64, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5293 times:

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 62):
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 61):

what about Part 135?

I believe Part 135 is exempt to that as well, although I suspect some Part 135 carriers may incorporate the equivalent into their SOPs for prudence.

Tom.


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