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SWA Offers New Boarding Option  
User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1378 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12559 times:

Here's the info..
http://southwest.investorroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1740


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6055 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12531 times:

Wow! $40! I could see $20 or so....but $40 seems a little excessive, especially if you can't purchase it in advance.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22740 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12504 times:

Where is this? Is it unused business select? After elites but before early bird? It's not very clear.


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User currently offlineRising From United States of America, joined May 2010, 269 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12503 times:

Seems like a good way try and build incremental sales. I'd be curious as to how many actually make the purchase.

Too bad though you can't purchase it in privacy at the kiosk.



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User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7075 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12473 times:

So the only difference between the nickle and dime charges on other airlines which in a lot of cases is unavoidable and this new WN charge is that they are giving you the option to upgrade on day of travel within 45 minutes of departure?
I would be interested in knowing how they determine how many "slots" are availabe for sale 45 minutes before departure and whether the selection process has any negative effect on the other boarding groups where a pax may choose not to spend the extra cash.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22740 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12375 times:

Quoting par13del (Reply 4):
I would be interested in knowing how they determine how many "slots" are availabe for sale 45 minutes before departure and whether the selection process has any negative effect on the other boarding groups where a pax may choose not to spend the extra cash.

I would expect that this includes some or all of the following "slots:"

- Business Select passengers who have checked in but then cancelled
- Unused Business Select slots between the end of business select and 16 (so A11 to A15 if there are 10 business select passengers checked in)
- A-list passengers who have automatically been checked in and then cancelled

The way WN works is that if a passenger cancels after checking in, his slot is not automatically filled, but it can fill with a later checkin. So if the Business Select passenger holding A3 cancels after 8 passengers have checked in, A4 through A8 will keep those numbers. Currently, if a ninth Business Select passenger checks in after A3 has cancelled, he gets A3. Otherwise, it goes "empty." A-list works the same way (but they are checked in automatically, so it would have to be a booking or change within 24 hours to fill the slot).



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17369 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12250 times:

This is one of the sillier fees out there but I guess you can't blame them for trying.


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3057 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12117 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 1):
Wow! $40! I could see $20 or so

Concur! I could see $25 max. I'd like to see the numbers of the beta testing in SAN. I'll continue to take my chances with the free option 24 hours in advance. I also hope the gates tell military traveling in uniform not to partake in this in that they receive special boarding consideration at many if not all WN cities.

Reading between the lines I see this as a strong message from WN that they recognized the necessity the need to generate revenue from accessorial services but will not waiver or compromise the free baggage allowance.

Quoting par13del (Reply 4):
So the only difference between the nickle and dime charges on other airlines which in a lot of cases is unavoidable

Unavoidable    How is it unavoidable if someone in the chain of command opted for fee based accessorial charges or copied what carrier "B" was doing? When one has a choice I would call it avoidable.



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User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12098 times:

Unless you have a high B or C group number, or a carry on the size of Iowa, and need to take an entire bin to yourself, I'm not sure it will be worth $40. Depending on the number of 'throughs' there should be plenty of aisle/window and overhead space up to the late B's. At least that seems to be my experience. Still, it's entirely voluntary and if only 0.5% of WN passengers spend the cash that's still an extra ~$20M a year.

User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12083 times:

I would not waste my money. I flew revenue last month on WN, and purchased early checkin. I did get position A31, but when I got on the airplane it was 80% full with thru passengers. I still ended up with a crappy seat. So now pay $40 and still get a crappy seat??? No thanks!

User currently offlinemrskyguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11837 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 7):
Reading between the lines I see this as a strong message from WN that they recognized the necessity the need to generate revenue from accessorial services but will not waiver or compromise the free baggage allowance.

Interesting theory. As a frequent WN traveler, I suspect it has more to do with taking advantage of an opportunity to sell "empty line space' than it does as an indicator of a need to generate additional sales to overlap bags flying free. Think about it. How many times have you stood in line at position A16 and had 3 people in front of you in positions A1, 2 & 3? It doesn't happen all the time, but it's certainly frequent enough to capitalize upon.

Plus, if I wasn't able to check in 24 hours before and I've got a 20 minute connection (or are otherwise tight on time) and I've got B58, I'd consider purchasing this to ensure my carry-on stays with me (especially on a -300 or -500 series).



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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4567 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11771 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
Where is this? Is it unused business select? After elites but before early bird? It's not very clear.

From my understanding, it will be the unused Business Select positions. So if anything from A1-A15 is available, they can pay the $40 and move up to that. However, the Business Select perks (free drink, max points, etc) is not included in the $40.


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3057 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11538 times:

Quoting mrskyguy (Reply 10):
How many times have you stood in line at position A16 and had 3 people in front of you in positions A1, 2 & 3? It doesn't happen all the time

Wow being able to board in A4 would be a treat. As a non-fee-er I don't think I ever have boarded less than A15. In all honesty I don't sweat it; if I have any "A" through mid "B" boarding group assignment I'm usually guaranteed a window or aisle seat. The "C" tend to scare me a little bit which only happened once. I still got a window seat. Flying with family can be a little more challenging.

BNA which is usually my O&D airport and a WN focus city offers multiple flights to a lot of places so I am afforded the opportunity to pick my flights carefully. My last WN flight was BNA-MDW-PVD with no change of aircraft in MDW. WN ka-bashed their BNA-PVD non-stop so I found the next best thing. Connecting through BWI was not an option on that day.

I usually end up with a higher "A" boarding group assignment. I might add I seem to have better luck with the WN smart-phone App 24 hours in advance than I do checking in on my laptop.

I would think Los Angeles also affords you the opportunity to pick and choose. If not at LAX but any of other airports in the region. I've flown into LAX and returned from SNA.

This new $40 fee was just reported in the media Fox Business News just aired it.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8795 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11468 times:

They have ruined Southwest Airlines. It used to be so simple. Show up at the gate, get in line and board - first come first serve. Now it's more complicated than any regular airline.

I live in Atlanta and frequently have to travel to Dallas. Both are SWA hubs after thir purchase of Airtran, and every single trip I find cheaper prices on AA, US or other airlines. They are supposed to be simple and cheaper.

It's sad to see a great little airline screw themselves so badly - I used to love flying them. But I have no plans to ever fly them again.



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User currently offlineMountainFlyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11373 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
Where is this? Is it unused business select? After elites but before early bird? It's not very clear.
Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 11):
From my understanding, it will be the unused Business Select positions. So if anything from A1-A15 is available, they can pay the $40 and move up to that. However, the Business Select perks (free drink, max points, etc) is not included in the $40.

   LA Times article is saying it guarantees you'll be in the first 15.

http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...t-new-fee-20130121,0,3072224.story



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3057 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11297 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
They have ruined Southwest Airlines. It used to be so simple. Show up at the gate, get in line and board - first come first serve

I agree. Only the handicapped generally took a precedence. In today's environment it's a "pay to play or take your chances." mentallity.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22740 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11297 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
They are supposed to be simple and cheaper.

They are supposed to be cheaper? Says who?

On a route like ATL-DAL where WN has to connect you somewhere, shouldn't they charge more than AA or DL? DAL is a poor airport from which to compare (at least until next year).

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
how up at the gate, get in line and board - first come first serve. Now it's more complicated than any regular airline.

How so? WN has three boarding zones: A, B and C. DL has what, eleven on a narrowbody?



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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4567 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11170 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
They have ruined Southwest Airlines. It used to be so simple. Show up at the gate, get in line and board - first come first serve. Now it's more complicated than any regular airline.

I don't see that. You have a boarding pass with the number you get on the plane with. There is no need to mad dash to the gate counter and line up to get your plastic boarding card. The boarding is also pretty orderly. How many time those on other airlines when they call zones do people line up properly? Most of my experience is that it is just a mad mob rushing the gate area (combined with people standing right by the door already).

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
I live in Atlanta and frequently have to travel to Dallas. Both are SWA hubs after thir purchase of Airtran, and every single trip I find cheaper prices on AA, US or other airlines. They are supposed to be simple and cheaper.

Since when is hub to hub flying ever cheaper on a legacy? I would say the fare structure is maybe a bit simplier on WN (though not as much as it use to be) and you can build everything one way and not get screwed. However, they also haven't go through Chapter 11 like everyone else has.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
It's sad to see a great little airline screw themselves so badly - I used to love flying them. But I have no plans to ever fly them again.

Little? Largest domestic carrier in the United States is not little. I don't really see any justification in this post why you won't fly WN again, but that is probably best held for a different thread.

Quoting MountainFlyer (Reply 14):
LA Times article is saying it guarantees you'll be in the first 15.

Another part I left out. If you are on an Anytime fare already, you'll probably just be offered the upgrade to Business Select - since it'll be cheaper. Which I don't understand why anyone doesn't take the Business Select fare if they are flying full Y.


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2492 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11122 times:

Looks like WN is increasingly sliding down the slippery revenue-grabbing slope. What's next, bidding for the unused Biz Select slots with the opening bid set to $40? I've become increasingly dependent upon WN as of late and agree with the other posts that mention just how convoluted WN's boarding/seat grabbing process has become. They might as well create a new tier of "Super Business Select-Your-Seat" fares whereby you can actually reserve a seat at reservation.

While we're at it, why not lay out WN's other revenue options outside of charging for bags (never say never), ala carte snacks (you know they wouldn't want to lug around dead weight) and IFE (doubtful given the capital investment required to pull it off).

777fan



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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4567 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11021 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 18):
ala carte snacks (you know they wouldn't want to lug around dead weight)

I always felt a Delta SkyDeli type cart in the jetbridge option is something that could work. Make the snack box $5.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17369 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10974 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 17):
However, they also haven't go through Chapter 11 like everyone else has.

They didn't have decades of labor and regulatory baggage when Deregulation hit either.

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 17):
How many time those on other airlines when they call zones do people line up properly? Most of my experience is that it is just a mad mob rushing the gate area (combined with people standing right by the door already).

I think WN and legacy carriers' boarding processes are converging onto the same overcomplicated morass, except you have an assigned seat on other carriers.



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User currently offlineusflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 907 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10938 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
They have ruined Southwest Airlines. It used to be so simple. Show up at the gate, get in line and board - first come first serve. Now it's more complicated than any regular airline.

I live in Atlanta and frequently have to travel to Dallas. Both are SWA hubs after thir purchase of Airtran, and every single trip I find cheaper prices on AA, US or other airlines. They are supposed to be simple and cheaper.

It's sad to see a great little airline screw themselves so badly - I used to love flying them. But I have no plans to ever fly them again.

Because they haven't royally screwed their employees and debtors in the bankruptcy process? Those others you speak of have filed for bankruptcy screwing over their employees,, debtors, and the tax-paying public



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8239 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10877 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 12):
Flying with family can be a little more challenging.

If you're traveling with children which is my case, you're guaranteed a window or aisle because the FA's will do anything they can in order to get someone to give up their seat so the kid(s) don't have to seat by themselves. That's been my experience. As for the fee, it's not for me. Life's too short to worry about little things like being stuck in a middle seat for a couple of hours.

[Edited 2013-01-21 13:30:35]

User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4567 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10808 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 20):
I think WN and legacy carriers' boarding processes are converging onto the same overcomplicated morass, except you have an assigned seat on other carriers.

I agree here. I would like to see WN take the lead on a new boarding process method. It might lead to assigned seating, but with int'l coming that's going to be needed at some point. Would love to see a zone process that fills the plane more efficiently so people aren't waiting in the isles and crawling over each other. It might very well be a combination of assigned seat and boarding position.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22740 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10785 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 23):
but with int'l coming that's going to be needed at some point.

Why? VB does not assign seats.

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 23):
Would love to see a zone process that fills the plane more efficiently so people aren't waiting in the isles and crawling over each other.

I think WN's process does a fairly good job of accomplishing this, actually, because passengers have different preferences on where to sit. Some go for the front, some for the back. Some grab a window, some like aisles. Most zone boarding processes necessarily put lots of people at the same part of the plane at the same time.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
25 HiFlyerAS : Why would you pay an extra $40 each way for a 'good' boarding position when you can fly another airline and have a pre-assigned seat...for FREE. I kno
26 Cubsrule : It's pretty hard to get a decent assigned seat without paying extra on most legacies these days, at least if you book fairly close to departure.
27 par13del : If you are in boarding Group C or B it is your choice to pay $40.00 to improve you boarding position, if you choose not to pay the $40.00 the group s
28 MSPNWA : Seems like this policy is a no-brainer to me. Look at the advantages: --the end of the BS boarding group is potentially filled, not hurting an efficie
29 mcdu : Are you sure about the last part of your claim? As for the rest I think WN announced that is has a labor cost issue recently. The employees will be g
30 MeanGreen : I agree with those that find the boarding process to be convoluted. I bought a business select ticket on a flight a few months ago (short notice trip)
31 Post contains images flyfree727 : They're trying to play catch up in all the millions they've missed out in bag fees AA ORD
32 airliner371 : No, all they are doing is when an employee retires, they aren't replacing them to lower expenses. No layoffs etc... You are 100% on target.
33 type-rated : [quote=ouboy79,reply=19]I always felt a Delta SkyDeli type cart in the jetbridge option is something that could work. Make the snack box $5. Ah, the r
34 737tanker : The spots are coming from the unused Business Select (A1 - A15). Another change to boarding is that any A-Listers who didn't get an "A" Boarding numb
35 Silver1SWA : Guys, I see no problem with offering something that customers are willing to pay for. They aren't forcing anyone to pay this fee. As for the whole pro
36 ouboy79 : Why? Instead of getting on the plane early and getting a better seat...BIN SPACE. Granted not a major issue on WN due to no bag fees, but I still fin
37 777fan : I'm sure somebody at WN has already determined it's not worth the catering contract, additional carry-on/refuse weight, and labor (time spent collect
38 mcdu : What happens when there aren't enough retiree's or volunteers in an early out? Head count alone won't solve the cost issue. Also, WN employees are th
39 airliner371 : They have been doing that for about 2 years now. It will be perceived fine, its really not the same kind of fee as a bag fee, its an added bonus fee.
40 crj900lr : Assign seats like the others and we can eliminate all of this lining up in A/B/C groups. When your section of the plane is called to board you board,
41 airliner371 : Frankly, open seating works so much better then assigned seating. People form a mob when the zone is called, people board in wrong zones purposely, i
42 777ord : I'd rather pay $25 for a checked bag.. That just seems like a sneaky way of avoiding the inevitable...
43 Silver1SWA : They tried it and the customers didn't like it. They tried many different assigned seating methods and they had a negative impact on boarding times s
44 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : Can't wait.......What great big deal..........Whoopee........
45 crj900lr : Until you get into the jetway and its backed up or finally get onto the plane and there are people looking all over for seats cause there are 4 in th
46 airliner371 : This fee does not relate to bags except helping people that are carrying a bag. This is an extra option for anyone that was simply not provided prior
47 Cubsrule : I have had lots of changed flights on Business Select tickets - both of my doing and of WN's doing - and have never not gotten an A1-15 boarding pass
48 Silver1SWA : Exactly. And it's not a fee in the bad sense. It's an additional service provided at a price. And the kicker? It's OPTIONAL! Some replies above are m
49 bond007 : You're kidding right? I fly every week on a variety airlines, and the only 'cattle call' is on airlines other than WN. Please tell me which airlines
50 Post contains images airportugal310 : Well, not that I disagree with your sentiment per se, but your replies are just as biased
51 Silver1SWA : Of course, by default. And for the most part, unless I have access to and am able to present facts to an argument, everything is simply my opinion an
52 N200WN : And that will now change - all BS and A-List without an A boarding pass will now board after Group A. That's part of today's rollout.
53 01pewterz28 : Another reason I avoid SWA, hell I upgraded to Business Class for $50 on my MCO-MDW flight last Thursday, and $65 from MDW-MCO on Sunday well worth th
54 Cubsrule : Under what circumstances would a Business Select passenger not get an A boarding pass? A list would not get one if they booked or changed close to de
55 bond007 : Isn't this change just filling the empty A1-15 slots, that are not filled by BS. Nothing else changes .... or I misunderstood. edited: Yes, nothing c
56 commavia : Amazing how the airline that has so artfully crafted such a populist, almost altruistic, image when it comes to fees is now going out of its way to fi
57 Silver1SWA : Again, they tested assigned seating a few years ago and it didn't work. Who knows if they will revisit the idea in the future, but they did try it a
58 bond007 : Not always good to assume that because everybody else does it, it's right ... all the other US airlines are hardly a model for efficient, low-cost, e
59 N200WN : Two things - first, if you are BS and your flight cancels/delays, you may get rebooked onto another flight and receive a B or C pass (let's say all 1
60 AeroWesty : I never board in the A group when I fly Southwest. I simply take whatever my assignment is, then head straight back for the 2nd or 3rd row from the r
61 LoneStarMike : One small problem with this idea. AA's Bistro bags and Delta's Sky-Deli bags were given away for free. If Southwest were allowed to sell food at the
62 N200WN : That's the big change - customers are always asking how they can get a higher boarding pass number. For most "wanna get away" fares the value just wa
63 crj900lr : Im saying that if seats were assigned people would know where they are going before they got on the plane insted of standing there and deciding where
64 commavia : Assume? No. Reasonably conclude? Yes. Particularly when "right" is defined as economically optimal given constraints, and "everybody" is defined as m
65 N200WN : Hey...don't give those good secrets away! As a non-rev today on a full flight out of DEN, myself and five kids were all at the end of C 1-30, and we
66 UA735WL : Flyfree727 nailed it. WN wants the revenue from bag fees, but also wants the advertising that stems from not having bag fees. This is just a way to r
67 bond007 : Yes, and my point again is that for 'quite some time' WN has made a profit every year, and almost 'every single airline in the U.S.' that ' have conc
68 Post contains images Silver1SWA : Nobody wants to listen to me... Guys, this was an issue they looked into back in 2007. For 8 months they tried various methods of assigned seating an
69 Post contains images hOmsAR : I can't remember the last time I've not seen a packed jetway, on any flight, on any airline. Last week I flew US Airways and they had to briefly stop
70 vegas005 : I ride the train every day and it is always full and hard to find a seat. I can either go first class and have a decent chance at a nice seat or gut i
71 PWMRamper : That's why I loved the OLD UA boarding. Window-Middle-Aisle worked very, very well. It was easy to explain to passengers, and since it actually makes
72 Antoniemey : In many cases (not all) you can see those "nonexistent" bag fees included in the fare, most notably with the advance purchase, discount fare levels.
73 Cubsrule : I'd suggest that that shows the effect of WN. If you take two similar markets where one has WN and the other does not - say DFW-OMA versus DFW-DSM, t
74 commavia : I don't see how it's apples-to-anything-else at all. They are both in the same fundamental business: air transportation. The tools that AA uses to co
75 Cubsrule : Well, sure, but WN hasn't been through C11. And if WN can manage to perform similarly to (or even a little worse than) other carriers without screwin
76 commavia : Absolutely. But, alas, that's a major challenge they will have to contend with. Trust me - I couldn't agree more. But, sadly, we see how far "admirab
77 mcdu : Isn't that the case with all of the various airlines fees?
78 flflyer : A way to raise some funds to offset the free drink lawsuit they lost??
79 ultrapig : Tell me where my suggestion has been discussed-All of us have suggestions to the experts at SWA who seem to do a pretty good job. It seems to me that
80 MaverickM11 : I don't think their res system is particularly good at assigning seats either, which may have been the biggest obstacle. Year after year, the number
81 Cubsrule : That's certainly a popular narrative, both here and elsewhere, but I don't know that it's supported by the facts. The rate of return to shareholders
82 MaverickM11 : The rate of return has converged, as we are now seeing with WN and legacy carriers. B6 is another good example of how a young carrier's early high ma
83 GentFromAlaska : Good strategy not everybody likes to sit in the back of the bus. We also have to keep in mind overhead bin space is less of a concern on WN because c
84 FlyPNS1 : And you think assigning seats will really change that? Sure, it might make a few customers a bit happier, but it will also cost WN millions as turn t
85 bond007 : But let's be clear here .. nothing has changed here except for folks who wish to pay more money to get in the first group of 15. Everybody else has t
86 MaverickM11 : They're not that much longer anymore, if at all. This isn't 1985.
87 jayunited : It has been a couple of years since I've flown WN but I know that they do allow passengers to remain onboard when it is a thru flight. Offering an "A"
88 bond007 : The truth is, as much as I might think that the WN method is efficient, if any airline wants to board 120 pax in 20 minutes, they can do it. The main
89 Cubsrule : Most of the flights with that many thrus (e.g. BNA-BHM-DAL) have been cut. Nowadays, 30-40 thrus seems like about the maximum.
90 delta2ual : I am one of those that would happily pay the 40 bucks. My only question, as someone else pointed out, is what happens if you pay the fee and you board
91 bond007 : But you are still getting the most desirable seat possible for your segment. If the flight is 80% full, and I've never experienced this, then unless
92 skycub : This is what is wrong with it... There are too many different scenarios with a Southwest flight and the people onboard a Southwest flight. Lets take
93 FlyPNS1 : There's still quite a difference. WN still turns planes in 25-30 minutes. UA/AA/DL couldn't do that with a similar aircraft unless the plane was half
94 Silver1SWA : This is very different than, you need to check a bag? Pay up. Or you want a small snack on your flight? Pay up. They are not saying you must pay an a
95 ultrapig : Skyclub: Thanks-You are right! And you said it in such a logical polite manner. You should be banned from Airliners.net! Seriously thanks.
96 mcdu : There is nothing different. If you don't want to pay a fee for a bag you may use a carry-on or join the airline FF program/credit card. What free din
97 Cubsrule : Maybe, but WN already has an early boarding fee, so I don't see how the addition of a second early boarding fee changes things any.
98 Silver1SWA : Again, before offering this new option customers still had the opporunity to get these same spots by upgrading to the Business Select fare. They are
99 Post contains images MaverickM11 : From everyone else? Nope
100 Post contains images Silver1SWA : LOL Well played. But you know what I meant.
101 Post contains images ouboy79 : Sure you can avoid the bag fee by just carrying on, but you'll be limited to what you take. Which I guess there are limits to everything. As far as t
102 bond007 : This is completely different. If you don't want to upgrade then absolutely nothing is different than it was before. This an extra option that if you
103 aklrno : Exactly. This is Business Select Lite. No free drink, no cash refunds, no special security line, no extra rewards points. Just a bit of fine tuning.
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