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Swiss Considering 748 As 343 Replacement  
User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3188 posts, RR: 4
Posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 32568 times:

Per Bloomberg, Swiss' CEO Harry Homeister says LX is in the process of choosing a replacement for their A340-300 aircraft. They are considering the 748, 777 and A350.

Quote:
“We want to substitute our A340 fleet at some point,” he said in an interview in Frankfurt, where Lufthansa has its hub. “We’d rather grow with bigger planes. For Swiss, the A380 is hardly an option, but we’ll look at the Boeing 747-8 and 777 and the Airbus A350. We’ll have to see what makes sense.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...de-following-parent-lufthansa.html

Personally, I think the A350 might be a more logical choice, as it offers full flight deck commonality with their (very new) fleet of A330-300s. But Boeing might of course be very willing in offering an attractive package for the 747-8, and LX of course has full insight in the experiences of LH with the airframe.

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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3461 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week ago) and read 32410 times:

Another carrier where the A380 is just too big, but the 748 is not. I think the outlook for the 748 is greater than many have speculated here on A.net. Great news, if it comes true, for Swiss and Boeing.


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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week ago) and read 32361 times:

A 777/748 combo would be GREAT for LX!
That would change from their rather boring all-Airbus fleet.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13206 posts, RR: 36
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week ago) and read 32329 times:

The title of the Bloomberg article is a little bit misleading. Swiss is looking at all possible options, including the 777 and the A350, and not the 748 only.

Quote:
“We’d rather grow with bigger planes. For Swiss, the A380 is hardly an option, but we’ll look at the Boeing 747-8 and 777 and the Airbus A350. We’ll have to see what makes sense.”



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8513 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week ago) and read 32337 times:
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Since SWISS is a Lufthansa owned arline the 748 proposal is positive, the 777 probably wouldn't work since LH doesn't fly it. The A350-900 would be the other viable plane, it wouldn't be a big enough increase.

User currently offlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 677 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week ago) and read 32258 times:

They downsized from 743 to A346 launch order, then via restructuring and LH takeover from that to A343.

Anything bigger than a A3510 is doubtful in my view, A359 most likely.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3516 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week ago) and read 32139 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4):
the 777 probably wouldn't work since LH doesn't fly it.

They do through AeroLogic and soon Lufthansa Cargo


User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3403 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week ago) and read 32137 times:

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 5):
They downsized from 743 to A346 launch order, then via restructuring and LH takeover from that to A343.

Anything bigger than a A3510 is doubtful in my view, A359 most likely.

IIRC LH hasn't ordered either the 787 or A350 yet so I'd consider the A359 or 7810 as the real contenders here.


User currently offlinebthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week ago) and read 32101 times:

Clearly 748 is very possible given that LH seem to be happy with it - not sure they need that much though.

A359/X may be more likely, but would make sense for LH to cash in on the numbers and begin their A343 replacement as well. Long term planning could see Initial batch of 359 for LX, later 359s for LH and further down the line 35X as 346 replacements. Timeline works well and an order of say 40 A359 and 25 A35X would get a good discount.


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week ago) and read 31920 times:

Wasn't there a thread on this last year about replacement aircraft for LX ?

I can remember many moons ago flying into Zurich on my way to Innsbruck and see the mighty 747's in Swissair colours sitting on the ground,

Think this is like the TK order everyone got there hopes up for a 748/A380 split and they ordered 777's and A333's.

It comes down to who can offer the best deal, and what kind of time frame are we talking here? and no mention of the 787! (no comment!)

However going with Boeing would bring a new aircraft into the group not just for LX but LH could then be looking at the triple 7 family more when they want to order.

Good luck to all and hope an order happens in 2013....



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User currently offlineFlyingAY From Finland, joined Jun 2007, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 31698 times:

I can't see what the 747-8i would offer to Swiss that A350-1000 would not. Well, availability perhaps?

User currently offlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2223 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 31253 times:

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 5):
They downsized from 743 to A346 launch order, then via restructuring and LH takeover from that to A343.

You are mixing years up a bit here.

Swissair (not Swiss) flew 743s and was supposed to be the launch customer for the A346.

Swiss, ordered A343s before they became part of the LH group.

The only longhaul fleet strategy change made under LH group, was to remove the 332s from the fleet in favor of 333s.

In a sense, seeing that the 333s now have quite a bit more range than they did before, it would make sense to have a 748 or 77W/346/359 fleet for longer flights (eg. SIN, NRT, LAX, SFO) or those that need more capacity (GRU being at the top of that list).


User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 30981 times:

I wouldn't be surprised seeing as LH seems to love their 747-8i fleet and sends them to premium-heavy destinations.

User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 30923 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 2):
A 777/748 combo would be GREAT for LX!

It's too big IMHO. They only fly A343s and A333s at the minute and the A333s replaced the even smaller A332.


User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1642 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 30686 times:

Interesting article, but given LX's niche I'd think short-term a 346 most likely (possibly from LH) and a 787 or 350 in the medium term (and those may replace the entire LX longhaul fleet eventually). There were rumors a while back about 346s coming from LH, but I'm not sure how that plays with this recent article.

That said, I still wouldn't be entirely surprised if 77W's showed up, since they would have substantial commonality with the 77F's over at 3S, and a few spare parts in common with the 77E's at OS.

[Edited 2013-01-22 06:46:32]

User currently offlinenyswiss From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 30660 times:

This has been extensively discussed before and recently again : Swiss Aviation Thread #31 (by SandroZRH Dec 8 2012 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=5630012&searchid=5667951&s=swiss#ID5667951

From a fleet commonality perspective and based on input of others I would expect a 350 order


User currently offlineamerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4006 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 30655 times:
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It would be nice to see another airline ordering the 748. I'm wondering if the customer number 57 will be used again if Swiss chooses Boeing. 57 was Swissair's customer number but since Swiss was born 11 years ago, they bought no Boeing plane at all.

Ben Soriano



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User currently offlineRonaldo747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 30458 times:

I'd love to see 747-8s at Swiss. The clear advantage of the 747 is the fast availability, they could even use delivery slots from Lufthansa. But a 77W is more realistic for Swiss. With the exception of maybe JNB they do not need 4-holers anymore.

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 30337 times:

A Swiss 748I would be awesome. I think the world can live happily without even more 777s or A350s.

User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8513 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 30287 times:
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Quoting american 767 (Reply 16):
It would be nice to see another airline ordering the 748. I'm wondering if the customer number 57 will be used again if Swiss chooses Boeing. 57 was Swissair's customer number but since Swiss was born 11 years ago, they bought no Boeing plane at all.

Ben Soriano

Why not SWISS is the new "Swissair". Its the same employees at SWISS that Swissair had.


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8663 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 30203 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 1):
Another carrier where the A380 is just too big, but the 748 is not.

I think there's little to no chance of seeing either because both are simply too big for LX. Do they even have any long haul route where they operate double daily flights? It will be A350's without a doubt.


User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1642 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 29613 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 20):

IMHO the only way you would see a 748 in LX colors would be if there were some major shakeup in Star, like if SQ left and LH decided to fill that ultra-premium gap by growing LX in certain markets. I'm not saying that has any chance, but that's the only type of scenario I see a 748 for LX.


User currently offlineFerroviarius From Norway, joined Mar 2007, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 29402 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 2):
A 777/748 combo would be GREAT for LX!
That would change from their rather boring all-Airbus fleet.

  
Oh shalomshalom, LY777, how could an all Airbus fleet,   , EVER be boring,   ??? Besides, they have Darwin Airlines in the backyard with six Saab2000s!

Best,
Ferroviarius


User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3188 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 29341 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 20):
I think there's little to no chance of seeing either because both are simply too big for LX. It will be A350's without a doubt.
LX are an interesting carrier. And profitable at what they're doing. They are very premium-oriented (with KE the only carrier to offer F on all long-haul flights), have a strong homebase, a decent network and room to growth. It doesn't handle the volume of passengers like LH, but certainly has growth possibility for price-sensitive economy passengers.

At the same time, parent LH isn't happy with both FRA and MUC: although FRA has the additional runway, it has a ban on night flights hampering growth possibilities. And MUC decided against a third runway. ZRH might well be their escape in order to grow for the group.

And once you have a steady demand for F and C, it's quite easy to use larger aircraft and fill the back with the large volume of passengers. The volume can come from the LH network. (For a LH-loyal passenger from HAM or DUS, it doesn't really matter if the connection is at MUC, FRA or ZRH).

Having said that, I still think the A359, maybe some A350-1000s around 2020, is most likely. The 747-8 flirt might be nothing more than negotiation tactics with Airbus.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 20):
Do they even have any long haul route where they operate double daily flights? It will be A350's without a doubt.


ZRH-EWR is 3x daily A333.

[Edited 2013-01-22 07:28:48]

User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3516 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 29116 times:

Quoting joost (Reply 23):
ZRH-EWR is 3x daily A333

No, it's 1x daily. ZRH-JFK is 2x daily


25 LY777 : All-Airbus fleets always look boring to me: - the A318/A319/A320/A321 are roughly the same planes - the A330/A340 are also roughly the same planes (o
26 HBGDS : The only place a 748 would work for Swiss is where the 743 non-combi worked: GVA or ZRH to JFK, In other words, the milk route for the UN and for the
27 Stitch : The 747-8 works well in a premium-heavy configuration as it has the floor-space and the payload weight lift to support a large number of heavy First
28 Post contains images joost : Well, in a way, you're right. Premium-heavy aircraft are actually lighter than Y-heavy aircraft. Business and First-seat are heavy indeed, but not as
29 Roseflyer : Austrian flies the 777 and provides the technical support from an engineering perspective for the plane for the Lufthansa group. A 777 order isn't ou
30 Post contains links KC135TopBoom : What does the A-350 have in common with the rest of the LX or LH fleet? Only FBW is all I see. According to Wiki, LX wants to replace the A-343s with
31 strfyr51 : who in the World would buy an airplane because it has "character"?? what airplane isn't boring after you've seen it for some time?? Heck I LOVE airpl
32 ytz : I would think 748/7810 combo. From ZRH, the 787-10 will have enough range to carry a nearly full payload to the US West Coast, China/Taiwan, India, B
33 ATL : YES. Been waiting for this moment for a while, the 747-8 would look fantastic in LX colors. Also, upper business class cabin would be great.
34 Post contains images musapapaya : Their flight to HKG is usually quite full, but take this for example, if CX goes back to HKG-ZRH, will they manage to fill a plane like a 748? 50% in
35 Post contains images KaiTak747 : Swiss definitely has room to grow. The Swiss economy is a fortress and have a plentiful supply or Y, J and F pax. The brand is also very strong, whic
36 yellowtail : The key here is availability.....and price. Both of which boeing will be glad to help on right now. I am sure that Boeing will cut them a helluva deal
37 mah4546 : ZRHBKK and ZRHMIA are very large local markets (~150 PDEW) that can handle a 748. Other than that, yes, it's too much of a niche for Swiss. I don't g
38 AADC10 : It think this is Airbus and the A350's to lose. It is a true next generation aircraft with greater efficiency and comfort than the 748i and it is avai
39 wingnutmn : Is LX looking to replace a 4 hole with another 4 hole to not have to worry about ETOPs on certain routes? Because if not, I can see why any airline wo
40 airbazar : Good description. So given all of that and the fact that premium passengers value frequencies, I would think that VLA's are the last thing LX needs.
41 flyinTLow : What I think most people forget here: In times where the entire aviation industry is trying to cut down on costs, and LX being part of the LH family:
42 ytz : I don't get why people are saying the A350 for commonality. What commonality? The LH group has not ordered any A350s yet. And while the A350 has some
43 DocLightning : Fair enough, but the 748i is a heck of a jump from the 343/333 (they have identical fuselages). 77W or A359/J seems to make more sense. The 748i has
44 columba : 787-9 and 787-10 fleet mixed with some 747-8s makes more sense, no need for the 777 here
45 C010T3 : TAM will also be on that list in a few weeks when the 767s are phased out.
46 sqsfo : Although a 748 would be a logical choice due LH's ownership and operation of the 748, wouldn't that much capacity be overkill for the LX brand? The ch
47 ytz : Taken out of context, it is a big jump. But LX is a piece of the LH Group puzzle. If you were LH facing infrastructure issues and ops restrictions at
48 ytz : An alternative narrative could be the deployment of A350-1000s to replace the 343s at LX. More capacity than the 343s.
49 Aesma : In my opinion, the A350, 787, 777, in that order, are more likely orders than the 748.
50 LHCVG : I thought the point was referencing issues aircraft like the 346 have with a forward-heavy config weighing them down and throwing off the CG, whereas
51 Post contains images EPA001 : I would see a combination of A359's and A3510's as highly likely. . It sure is earlier available. As a big fan of 4-holers, me too! And since the B74
52 ZRH : This is not entirely correct. SWISS says since quite a while that they need a bigger aircraft than the 343 for some destinations.
53 Post contains links and images columba : A few months ago Swiss there was an article stating that Swiss want to replace some of their A343s with a larger aircraft. It was said that they need
54 Post contains images dtswi : I think the 748 is a very viable and future orientated option for swiss. Their 343 are quite full all the time and their quality product is attracting
55 Roseflyer : I think A.net overvalues the benefits of the Airbus common cockpit design. It's great that they layout is similar, but the airplane functionality is
56 joost : AFAIK, the A350 will be entitled to have a common type rating. So (after training) the A350 can be flown by the same pilots as the 330/340. It's very
57 Roseflyer : It's a great advantage and I don't deny that, but the pilot training and flexibility cost factor is only a small factor in making a purchase decision
58 Post contains links douglasyxz : It has been said by the LH 747 Chief Pilot Elmar Boje that LH long-haul fleet group were due to make a new order by Q3 2013. http://www.aviationweek.c
59 VC10er : I can't say if a 7478i is right or not for LX, but I must say, when I think of the days at JFK with PanAm, Sabina, Lufthansa, Varig and Swissair 747's
60 Post contains links GVAJFKflyer : Slightly off topic, but actually SWISS is the successor of Crossair. http://bs.powernet.ch/webservices/in...dified=0&validOnly=0&lang=2&s
61 douglasyxz : I don' t see the point why LH would order any 777. This aircraft has entered into service long ago and is due to be "facelifted" in a couple of years.
62 dennys : Those are pretty good news ! The return of the " Giummboh ' in the ex Swissair fleet ... Please no more twins !!!
63 columba : I agree but keep in mind that nothing is certain, yet.....let´s keep our fingers crossed
64 joost : LX still has 2x 333 on order. When these are the 238t variants, they can be used to replace the 343s on ZRH-PEK and it might well be good enough for
65 flyglobal : So here is what will happen: 1st) no 777-300 ER in its current stage, unless they release the 777-9x . 2) LH release 10-12 or even all 20 of their 748
66 PanAm1971 : I openly admit the idea of the 747-8i in Swiss colors makes me smile from ear to ear. I would very much like to see this... and it would effect my cho
67 WesternA318 : Damn good to hear, I love the 747-8i, my first flight will be on her this Spring!
68 Ferroviarius : This is an interesting point, indeed. However, I still think that a DC7C or a Constellation / Star Liner have their very own esthetics, and even the
69 joost : The era of widebodies on intra-European routes is over. I doubt we'll see new widebodies on Intra-European routes. Once BA's 767s are gone, we'll be
70 na : Be sure that Swiss will only get airplane types LH also operates. I (sadly) see the A350 as the most likely choice unless LH orders the 787, and there
71 MCOflyer : I have a feeling it will be the A350 that wins. However, we can all pray Swiss goes for the 748I.
72 qf340500 : Lets pray Swiss doesn't order any 747-8i ! If they take some off from LH and LH orders a bunch of A350s for the group, fine, but please no specific or
73 american 767 : The Boeing 727. I have not flown on enough of them. I know there's nothing I can do because they are all gone, but I just express my feelings. I coul
74 SwissVA : Yes, that statement is indeed heard more then once in the SWISS office's walkways. The A343's are often too small these days on many routes.
75 WAC : I would say a 748 would only be an option if LH topped their order. The 748 is an ideal LH Group aircraft just like the A380 is for EK. If the 748 is
76 flightsimer : Come on LX! would love to see another airline operating the 747-8I. Where in the world do you get 5 times warmed up? you have the -100/200/SP/300, the
77 Stitch : I'd be okay if LX gets the 747-8 provided they install the extra noise insulation in the nose LH did. I've never been a fan of the 747, but I will sa
78 Post contains images qf340500 : Yes i hate the 737 as well ok, maybe my mistake, i considered the step from the -100 to the -200 and then to the -300 and then to the -400 and then to
79 flyinTLow : Don't get me wrong, i would love to see more 748i's in different colors. But honestly: Just looking at the seatmaps from LH's and LX's website: LX 343
80 Viscount724 : Disagree. 748 is much too big, and why 4 engines when 2 will do the job? The A350 is by far the best option in my opinion considering LX's long Airbu
81 DolphinAir747 : A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush. The 748 is already here, LH likes their 748s, and Boeing probably offered/will offer LX an attract
82 Viscount724 : As no doubt will Airbus.
83 SandroZRH : I'm not going to speculate on this matter anymore, there is a lot of galley-gossipping going on in the company. But may I just add that the linked art
84 kaitak : Of course, the aircraft enthusiast in everyone would love to see the 748I in LX colours, but realistically, it's never going to happen. Don't forget t
85 baw716 : This is an interesting discussion. To look at what airplane they might get, let's look at their existing fleet: The 343 seats 219 pax and has a range
86 douglasyxz : I don' t see the 77X as a replacement for those who need a short-term solution. It's gonna take many years until their EIS even without major delays.
87 vegas005 : You guys talk about a paper airplane the A350 like it is here and ready to go, but it is not. Swiss has issues today that need solving today. Let's lo
88 CARST : As it was pointed out by mah4546... ... there are some routes that have enough demand for a plane as large as the 747-8i. But there are not many of th
89 na : Why, as a J-class passenger I must say its the best plane you can fly in. You surely have never flown on it I´m sure otherwise you wouldnt say such
90 Post contains images qf340500 : "na", if i offended you personally somehow then i am sorry and apologize, otherwise please accept my "crap" as my own humble opinion, which i am allow
91 twa@fra : wasn't there once mention that LH didn't chose the LX business class seats because they are not ideal for the 747.... anyhow my opinion is that they o
92 na : To have such an opinion you should first experience what you are talking about. I have flown on the 748I and can tell you for the sake of superior pa
93 FlyingAY : I'm sure that is because there is no noticeable difference in the behaviour of the paying public when booking their flights. I'd think that BA 318 wi
94 Post contains links calvo747 : these birds could be the answer, a couple of cheap 600's. Unidentified A340-600s For Sale (by skipness1E Jan 22 2013 in Civil Aviation)
95 Azure : Agreed. I believe LX could use the 748 on some routes (ZRH - JFK for instance). I would rule out the 777. The A350 is certainly a more likely option
96 something : The debate isn't A380-748-77W-A350, the debate is A350 vs 787. Lufthansa is interested in the 787-1000 but requires certain capabilities that Boeing h
97 Aesma : You make me realize that the accounting of the LH group must be complicated when they move planes from one entity to another. How would they estimate
98 something : By determining the ''operating value''. It is all a very complicated calculation, ie. how much money could LX earn with this plane that they'd forfei
99 CARST : I depends on how fast they have to act, right? Because, if they think they can cope with their current fleet for another few years, they could go wit
100 airbazar : That has more to do with the airline's product than the plane itself. If you're stuck in the upper deck business class, it's crampped and not that pl
101 flyinTLow : It is not LX that orders planes, it is LH that orders the planes and then distributes them. of course in close coordination with LX. See the C-Series
102 Post contains images EPA001 : I guess you mean B787-10. The extension '-1000' belongs to the A350-XWB. . Personally I see LH and possibly LX ordering both aircraft types. I would
103 ytz : Lots of people still talking about LX in isolation. LX isn't going to buy these airplanes. LHA will. And they already have a stated goal of standardiz
104 yyz717 : Agree. Any LX "order" for the 748 will be an LH order with the allocation to LX. A top up order the 748 (above the current 19) with some allocation t
105 LHCVG : Smaller jump, and a minimum-cost, short-term option that allows LH to test the waters for how well larger LX equipment performs wherever they send it
106 Post contains images behramjee : Since everyone is adding their 2 cents, I would like to add mine too: 1. I do not believe that the B748i should even be looked by LX management nor ev
107 Viscount724 : Still too big in my opinion. Should also remember that LX's bankrupt predecessor Swissair operated 5 747-300s (they were the launch customer), but 3
108 ytz : I have long theorized that if LHA went to 4 widebodies they'd be: 1) 787-10 for TATL and Asia 2) A350-1000 for volume routes 3) B748i - Premium Heavy
109 mcg : I'd bet that any such calculation would come remarkably close to LH's book value of the aircraft. I'm not a fleet planner but it intuitivly seems to
110 RayChuang : Why doesn't LX just buy a bunch of new A350-900's and A340-600's from airlines that no longer need them for their A340-300 replacement?
111 baw716 : Sounds like we agree... baw716
112 columba : But those were different times, Swissair was all by themself back then. Now Swiss is a part of Lufthansa and Star Alliance .
113 Post contains links douglasyxz : Not to forget that according to http://www.lh-taufnamen.de/lufthansa/ 15 346 are still equipped with the old cabin, neither First nor Business have be
114 CXB77L : I agree that this is the most logical progression for LX, but where are the A346s going to come from? Are there any A346s currently or will soon to b
115 na : And that is wrong. Seats you can stick everywhere, but a unique compartment is unique. And the 747 has two of them not to be found elsewhere and imho
116 behramjee : QR has 4 A346s up for sale along with another half a dozen from VS and TG each respectively. Obviously for all some investment in retrofitting the pl
117 ba319-131 : - I don't think the requirement to re-configure cabins would be an issue to LX, they have taken used A340's previously.
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