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Where Will AA Use A319s?  
User currently offlinezhiao From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 400 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13442 times:
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With just 11 on order how does AA plan to use them? Also, will they Have only domestic first?

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User currently offlineTUSAA From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13439 times:

Word has it they will be based at DFW and MIA initially, and im certain there will be a lot more then 11. They will start to arrive jul/aug.

User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 718 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13188 times:

Quoting zhiao (Thread starter):
With just 11 on order how does AA plan to use them?

Did AA ever confirm the split between 319 and 321s? I've searched and can't find anything. Even the Airbus website didn't appear to have the AA order listed...which is a bit odd. 11 sounds very low, why bother with that small number?


User currently offlinezhiao From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13111 times:
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I can imagine them using a subfleet of int configured ones for Brazil and other parts of SA, but that would have int biz class. That would be a nice plane to fly on. Honestly I'd rather go on that than a 777W.

User currently offlineamerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3877 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13065 times:
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Quoting BD338 (Reply 2):
11 sounds very low,

It does, indeed, for a very big airline like American, but don't forget that additional A319s are also due in the near future when the second batch starts being delivered. The first batch consists of 130 A319s and A321s OEOs, and the second batch consists of 130 more A319s and A321s NEOs. I'm not positive American is still holding on taking delivery of the second batch, but that is the most likely plan if they do decide to pursue on the second batch.

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User currently offlinezhiao From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13010 times:
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Do you mean 130 A319 and ANOTHER 130 A321s?

User currently offlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12929 times:

No, there is an order for 130 of the current engine option, and 130 of the new engine option.


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31125 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12725 times:
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Quoting zhiao (Thread starter):
With just 11 on order how does AA plan to use them?

According to the press packet AA released in conjunction with the announcement of the original Airbus and Boeing order in July 2011, the A319-100(neo) and 737-700 / 737-7 will be used for:

• Secondary domestic markets
• Select markets in Latin America
• High-altitude or short-runway airports


User currently offlinezhiao From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12436 times:
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Wait, they ordered 737-700s?!

User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12040 times:

Quoting zhiao (Reply 9):

No; they only ordered 738s and MAXs from Boeing.


User currently offlinecrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 800 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11901 times:
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MKE-DFW and MKE-MIA   

User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8428 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11678 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 8):
According to the press packet AA released in conjunction with the announcement of the original Airbus and Boeing order in July 2011, the A319-100(neo) and 737-700 / 737-7 will be used for:

• Secondary domestic markets
• Select markets in Latin America
• High-altitude or short-runway airports

The A319 doesn't have the legs for Miami to GIG or GRU but its does have 6 hours flying time, Northern Brazil is within its capability. ITs good for Peru and Ecuador where a 757 is flown but is too big.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11752 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11528 times:

Quoting TUSAA (Reply 1):
Word has it they will be based at DFW and MIA initially

Interesting.

MIA I can see - there are plenty of new or existing markets where an A319 would make sense. For instance, I could definitely see some of the relatively larger Midwest ERJ markets like PIT, IND, CMH, etc. supporting A319s, at least during the winter peak, and see A319s being a good fit for markets where they could be used to increase frequency (like TGU, and perhaps the new FDF/PTP). And, I could also see the A319s being useful in opening some new MIA routes like MCI or MKE.

DFW I struggle with a little more. While there are plenty of markets ex-DFW (HSV, BHM, SDF, MSP, etc.) that used to receive F100s and for which the MD80s may, in some instances, be too large, I'm just surprised that AA would judge that to be a more pressing priority than ORD, where the F100 was always a relatively more important aircraft, and where the gap between the MD80 and CRJ700 has been far more chronic and pronounced.

Quoting TUSAA (Reply 1):
im certain there will be a lot more then 11

Absolutely. I foresee plenty of A319s ultimately plying the skies - particularly in and out of ORD to the midwest and northeast, and to a lesser extent out of DFW and MIA, and on thinner transcons out of JFK and LAX (plus hopefully a return to BOS-SFO, a nonstop market I continue to think AA can and should be competing in, the "Cornerstone" strategy notwithstanding).


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11415 times:

DFW-LIM is suppose to be one of the markets.

User currently offlineEaglePower83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11322 times:

I would love to see some AA 319 action from ORD-BDL to augment all the Eagle flying.
Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7693 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11304 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 14):

Do you mean DFW-BOG?



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User currently offlineaacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10950 times:
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If the A319 end up with ovens in MC, then that is going to make a big difference on where the airplane goes as well. There are a lot of destintions out of Miami that get only a cold meal when you get a 737 and a hot meal when you get a 757 or 763. So IF they are equipped with ovens in coach, I can see it replacing the 737 on northern SA and Brazil flights.

User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 718 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10616 times:

I suppose capacity wise would they not be a match to replace the MD80, granted they are not getting many of them but in the future.

User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5274 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9973 times:

I would think that some of the CRJ routes out of ORD would be candidates for the A319. A route such as ORD-ATL was once mostly F100s with a few MD-80s back around 2000. Switch some of the CRJs to A319s, then the surplus CRJs could be shifted onton routes that are all Embrears, but have enough demand and yield to use a larger aircraft with a first class cabin.

User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3045 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9867 times:

Speaking of which, has anyone seen any renditions of the Airbus in the new piano keys paint scheme?

User currently offlineflyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9801 times:

Would be great to see them introduced on Canadian routes. Maybe they'll finally add YEG??

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3160 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9745 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 15):
Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 14):

Do you mean DFW-BOG?

He probably did mean DFW-LIM. Isn't that reinstated route a candidate for the A319 also?

I'd like to see AA return to CUZ also with the A319, but that's probably not likely.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25793 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9667 times:

We just had a long discussion about this;
Future AA A319/321 Routes (by JoePatroni707 Dec 15 2012 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7693 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9513 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 21):
He probably did mean DFW-LIM.

Its already in the system as a 757. The markets connection potential would make a 319 too small. If the 738 had the legs I could see that, but not the 319.

The 319 however, would be perfect for DFW-BOG.



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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8911 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 21):
He probably did mean DFW-LIM. Isn't that reinstated route a candidate for the A319 also?
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 23):
Its already in the system as a 757. The markets connection potential would make a 319 too small. If the 738 had the legs I could see that, but not the 319.

Vrasb Vahidi mentioned DFW-LIM in his press release. Thats' why I said it.


25 JoePatroni707 : DFWLIM is for the most part a money losing route. It performed poorly as 757 in the past. Although it did have high load factors, the majority of the
26 commavia : Any standard (i.e., non-NEO) A319 may well have higher unit operating costs (CASM) than a 757 given the A319's weight and seating capacity (particula
27 LAXdude1023 : You cant really say that. It was a money losing route before it stoped operating 6 years ago. Given the relationship improvements with LA and the low
28 catiii : Out of curiosity, why is that?
29 BoeingGuy : I take it that DFW-KIX performed poorly? It was discontinued; later reinstated; and then discontinued again. I would think that DFW-UIO would be a go
30 JoePatroni707 : True with new lower operating costs it should be able to run somewhat profitably. Wrong words... I should have used was.... time will tell how thigns
31 LAXdude1023 : The market was declining on the Japan side and the local O&D from DFW, Texas, and the South wasnt stellar. It was basically coasting on KIX-GRU w
32 Tan Flyr : Well that may indicate an "internal" preferance to show more "yield/profit" on the Tokyo leg..so, how exactly is it determined? is there a set formul
33 yyz717 : The order is now 15 A319's and 116 A321's (total 131). As MSN's are progressively assigned, AA is firming each MSN up as an A319 or A321. Airbus has
34 BoeingGuy : I'm guessing in context that means something like Manufacturers Serial Numbers, not the Madison, WI airport?
35 ripcordd : I would have to say ORD is in the most need they are under pressure from UA and it would be the right size plane on sooo many CR7 ^ MD80 routes out of
36 Post contains images yyz717 : Correct.
37 JoePatroni707 : I really dont know the formula. But is is skewed to most money being on the longest leg.
38 Post contains images KELPkid : It would be a safe bet to assume that DFW-ELP is a good candidate for such service The Mad Dogs were, at times, too much capacity. I wonder if a small
39 ytz : I would love to see a lot more A321s dedicated to TCON service with more destinations. Why only LAX-JFK? Why not BOS, DFW, IAD, MIA, ORD, PDX, SAN and
40 YYCspotter : Could DFW-YYC be a possibility? I seem to recall hearing that the A319s would be used for routes to High and/or Hot airports...
41 BoeingGuy : I'd love to see AA resume SJC-JFK and SJC-BOS with the new airplanes, but not sure SJC is much in AA's plans. YYC is not a hot or high airport. SNA,
42 commavia : Indeed. I could definitely see the A319 being a perfect fit for some or all of the frequencies from ORD to various markets including AUS, IAH, ATL, R
43 LAXdude1023 : Actually, DFW-YYC is all 737 starting April 2. DFW-YEG is a route that would be good for a 319.
44 ytz : I was wondering why there is no mixed service. For example, let's say there are several flights a day from MIA to LAX or BOS-LAX, I was wondering why
45 BoeingGuy : Maybe the A319 could allow AA to open, or resume, some secondary markets from DFW like: DFW-GEG DFW-YEG (as mentioned) DFW-BOI DFW-SBA DFW-BFL DFW-BU
46 yyz717 : JFK-LAX is just the first route announced. It is also AA's flagship domestic route which will require a dedicated subfleet of A321's. I was wondering
47 Post contains images brons2 : How about a few turns down to AUS?
48 nomorerjs : ORD! Perfect plane for the market and "hub!"
49 mah4546 : Maybe we'll see some on MIALAX. Domestic three class F is staying pretty much because the entertainment industry still has demand for a small, privat
50 N62NA : AA has from time to time used their 762s on LAX-MIA-LAX, so it's quite possible we would see 1 or 2 of the premium A321s on the route.
51 incitatus : On many domestic routes for AA the A319 will get the right loads but the profits will not be there most of the time. Its CASM is too high for most of
52 YYCspotter : 3, 557 feet isn't high?
53 sancho99504 : The IGW A319 with the IAE V2527-M5 engines should be able to run MIA to deep SA, maybe not GIG or GRU. But, with a MTOW of 169,090lbs, 4,000nm isn't
54 nrt1011 : 3,557 ft sure isn't compare to say Denver or some of those Andean airports. Almost sea level!
55 Antoniemey : I'm thinking maintenance cost is probably a big part of it...
56 AAplat4life : CASM compared to what? ORD-BOS should remain B738 due to high traffic volume, for example, but there are plenty of other routes where I would think t
57 qf002 : 1. The seats cost a lot more than a standard domestic seat. They cost more to maintain, have more things that can break and cause operational issues
58 commavia : Remember, though, that cost - in this case specifically referring to CASM - is only half of the equation. The other half is revenue, and on the reven
59 american 767 : ORD-LGA already sees the 738. Out of 18 daily flights, already 5 of them are 738s. ORD-LGA will see more 738s and fewer MD-80s within the next two ye
60 sancho99504 : US, or at least HP, used the A319 on longer, thin routes out of PHX with very good results, heck, some routes did well enough that they were up gauge
61 Tan Flyr : Nah...the last MD80 flight will be the evening flight some nite from DFW- FAT..then they will just ferry her over to Mohave...and the crew will go ho
62 incitatus : Several of AA's competitors have not purchased A-319s or 737-700s for many years now. In some cases like NW, the initial contract was modified to swi
63 yellowtail : This is 100 correct. DL has the same issue...in most cases for DL it is better to operate a MD, 737 or a 75 over the 319. the 319 CASM is higher and
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