Boeing777300 From North Korea, joined Jan 2004, 25 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7965 times:
According to an email list, as well as being mentioned in the 748 delivery thread, Saudi Cargo have purchsed two 748F's from Boeing, which were not taken up by Atlas Air.
747-87UF msn's 37562 LN1429 and 37563 LN1432 are to be registered HZ-AI3 and HZ-AI4 respectively. Does anybody know when these are due for delivery and which routes they are to be allocated to?
I am looking forward to seeing these in SV colours, maybe they will now order some 747-8i's to replace the -400's.
[Edited 2013-01-22 21:29:09]
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kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11958 posts, RR: 37 Reply 1, posted (4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7914 times:
Good news for the 748 program, although very few of the 748F operators have gone on to order the pax version (I think KE is the only one to have ordered both). It looks like these offered to SV (probably other aircraft as well). Although a pax order is unlikely (SV already has 77Ws anyway which can do pretty much anything the 748 can), it would not surprise me if SV topped up its 748F order with new build frames.
Looking at their line numbers, it looks like they should be ready for delivery pretty much imminently - possibly already built, so just needing to be (re) painted in SV colours?
SV operates a wide network, so I'm sure they'll be flying west to NY and east to HKG.
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5344 posts, RR: 11 Reply 2, posted (4 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7732 times:
Quoting kaitak (Reply 1): Looking at their line numbers, it looks like they should be ready for delivery pretty much imminently - possibly already built, so just needing to be (re) painted in SV colours?
Yes, we're well beyond those line numbers already in service; methinks these are the rejected aircraft which did not meet performance targets.
I suspect Saudi achieved favorable terms to pick these aircraft up, while Boeing gained another 748 operator.
YVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2097 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7733 times:
Quoting kaitak (Reply 1): Looking at their line numbers, it looks like they should be ready for delivery pretty much imminently - possibly already built, so just needing to be (re) painted in SV colours?
These were built a long while ago and have been in storage at PAE while newer frames were delivered instead.
These were both subject of increased activity for the past few weeks, so this explains where they are going to. I would imagine they could be delivered pretty quickly depending on what needs to be done and I bet SV got an excellent price.
Hope these route via YVR like the BBJ's and one LH frame...
na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 9616 posts, RR: 10 Reply 4, posted (4 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7183 times:
As these planes were heavily worked on in the past months it was rumoured that there was a client in the line. The 748F will look fantastic in SV colours.
Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 3): I bet SV got an excellent price.
You can be sure of it as they are early frames not quite to series standard. But did SV buy, or lease them from Boeing?
Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
Good news for the 748 program, although very few of the 748F operators have gone on to order the pax version (I think KE is the only one to have ordered both). It looks like these offered to SV (probably other aircraft as well). Although a pax order is unlikely (SV already has 77Ws anyway which can do pretty much anything the 748 can), it would not surprise me if SV topped up its 748F order with new build frames.
SV always had a diverse Cargo fleet, a mix of own planes and leased in 747Fs. They have recently parked their three MD11Fs and have returned two or three leased-in 747Fs in very recent weeks, plus their single 742F is getting old so there is quite some capacity to fill. Two more 748Fs are possible indeed. As for pax-748s, well, the four 744s they own dont need replacing before 2020. SV is known to keep their 747s very long, longer than any airline this side of Iran Air. The 77Ws are mainly to replace the 743s they still have, plus the 741s that were retired in the past few years, and maybe some older leased-in planes.
na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 9616 posts, RR: 10 Reply 7, posted (4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6974 times:
Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 5): I don't know from where you've got that info since all four MD-11Fs have been flying lately, including yesterday and today.
Sorry, that was indeed a misinformation. I was quite sure I read that recently but just checked. Its only the Saudi Government MD11 thats stored.
blueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3129 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6899 times:
Any idea on how they will be crewed yet? Might this be a sign that Saudia is ready to rebuild its in-house cargo operations, or will they hand over the aircraft for someone else to operate them?
It would be ironic if they ended up being crewed by Atlas. After all, they are the only supplier with any experience in -8F to date.
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11715 posts, RR: 52 Reply 9, posted (4 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6661 times:
Quoting blueflyer (Reply 8): After all, they are the only supplier with any experience in -8F to date.
No, CV has 10 B-747-8Fs inservice and another 4-5, or so still on order. I believe that makes CV the largest operator of the B-748 today. 5Y only has 6 in operation, not counting the 3 BA airplanes.
CX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6341 posts, RR: 56 Reply 10, posted (4 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6561 times:
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9):
Quoting blueflyer (Reply 8):
After all, they are the only supplier with any experience in -8F to date.
No, CV has 10 B-747-8Fs inservice and another 4-5, or so still on order. I believe that makes CV the largest operator of the B-748 today. 5Y only has 6 in operation, not counting the 3 BA airplanes.
Actually Cargolux only have 6 in service. Atlas/Polar only have 4 in service unless you count the Global Supply Systems ones which are crewed and run separately. Cathay Pacific has 8 of them flying with 5 more to come which makes CX the largest current operator.
blueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3129 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (4 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5714 times:
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9): No, CV has 10 B-747-8Fs inservice and another 4-5, or so still on order.
I'm aware other carriers have -8Fs on property, but neither Cargolux nor Cathay is interested in providing lift for Saudia. Atlas is, or could be (it's in their business model, at least), so they remain the only supplier with experience, if that is the road Saudia wants to take.
135mech From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 357 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (4 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5397 times:
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9): Quoting blueflyer (Reply 8):
After all, they are the only supplier with any experience in -8F to date.
No, CV has 10 B-747-8Fs inservice and another 4-5, or so still on order. I believe that makes CV the largest operator of the B-748 today. 5Y only has 6 in operation, not counting the 3 BA airplanes.
Weren't CV the launch customer for the 748F?
And yes, this will look stunning in Saudia Colors!
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