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What Happened To This L-1011 TriStar (ABANDONED)  
User currently offlinepilotanthony From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 81 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 24390 times:

I was just wondering why this beautiful bird was flown to Kavala, Greece and why it has been left there since 2005....any thoughts?

Abandoned in KVA since 2005



Anthony Paraschou
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User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2026 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 24302 times:

She's waiting for the Langoliers.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yqnj4wmfvQ

[Edited 2013-01-23 00:41:59]


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User currently offlinelollomz From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 23703 times:
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What is the reg. of the plane?

User currently offlinepilotanthony From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 23629 times:

Quoting lollomz (Reply 2):
What is the reg. of the plane?

N102CK



Anthony Paraschou
User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 8740 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 23633 times:

could it be that the groundworkers were on strike when the aircraft arrived and they forgot to opent the doors once they got back to work?  


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User currently offlineharleydriver From United States of America, joined May 2010, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 23093 times:

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 1):
She's waiting for the Langoliers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yqnj...wmfvQ

Nice! I was working at BGR when they were filming this. It was fun trying to board flights and announce flight arrivals when the appearance of an empty and abandoned airport was the focus of the movie. Stephen King is a great guy, very friendly and would stay and chat with us when he came to purchase tickets on a regular basis. I never wanted to know what went through his head at night though. Him and his wife Tabitha do a lot for the city too.



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User currently offlinen797mx From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 22915 times:

How "airworthy" is she and what's the terms of sale?  


Clear skies and strong tail winds.
User currently offlinepilotanthony From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 22508 times:

Quoting n797mx (Reply 6):
How "airworthy" is she and what's the terms of sale?

she has bird nests in all her engines, brakes looked destroyed, i dont think she will ever fly again.



Anthony Paraschou
User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 22120 times:

Are there still TriStar's abandoned at Taba Airport in Egypt ? Saw three ( I think ) there about 4 years ago.

User currently offlinespud757 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 20788 times:

Quoting TC957 (Reply 8):

They were still at TCP just under 2 years ago when I last flew there.


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7345 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 20431 times:

Quoting pilotanthony (Reply 3):
N102CK

According to the FAA N number database - that # was cancelled in Nov 2004 after the aircraft was exported to Greece.

The current N102CK is a T-BIRD II ultralight registered in the Dallas area.

It appears Kitty Hawk Aircargo tried to sell the aircraft/ sold the aircraft - but after arriving in Greece there was no money to keep the aircraft in operation. There are abandoned aircraft at airports all over the world, left there when the owners ran out of money to pay bills or keep the aircraft in flyable condition.

Back in 2009 on a thread on this forum, a fellow mentioned loading/ working on the Kitty Hawk L-1011s early in the 2000s, and said they were in bad shape - "really beat up"

Eventually the airport authority will take ownership of the aircraft for non-payment of fees and sell it for scrap.


User currently onlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9964 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 20181 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 10):
There are abandoned aircraft at airports all over the world, left there when the owners ran out of money to pay bills or keep the aircraft in flyable condition.

Back in the late 70s, when I was working for DL at ORD, I was also in the AF Reserve at ORD. Where I was at was one of the old, black F-86 alert hangars at the south end of the base (anyone remember them?). Parked, just outside our door was the "Naked City" Comet that, I believe, at one time, someone was going to try and restore. It looked pretty beat up and faded at that time. Anyone know what happened with it?



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User currently offline135mech From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 396 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 20085 times:
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According to the photo's details:

"N102CK (cn 193N-1198) This BEAUTY started her life with British Airways, back in 1980 (G-BHBM). She was then leased by BA to Kuwait Airways in 1992. In 1994 she was sold by BA to American Int Airways where she was converted to a freighter, in 1999 she ended up at Kitty Hawk International and in 2005 Kitty Hawk ran out of money and left this stunning L-1011 abandoned in Kavala Airport, Greece since 2005. It's so sad to see this wonderful aircraft sitting on tarmac for over 7 years now. [Sony a55/18-55mm]"

According to that, it was flown there on a mission, and then they had no $$ to fly her back out.

Also, other forums mentioned about the L-1011's having airworthy issues mentioned here:
The Flying Hospital-L1011 (by michiganatc Nov 4 2012 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=5603958&searchid=5606362&s=hospital#ID5606362

Regards,
135Mech


User currently offlinegoosebayguy From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 19878 times:

Have just checked and I flew in this baby when it was with BA. Good to see its still around.

User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6680 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 18992 times:

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 13):
Good to see its still around.

Do you classify "abandoned" as "still around"? If it ever flies again I will be very surprised; sooner or later it will be chopped up to get it out of the way. Jetliners do not tolerate being left untended in a warm, moist climate (which I am assuming it is) for 8 years with no effort whatsoever at preservation. At this point I'm sure it would cost far more to restore it to flyable condition than it is worth.



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User currently offlinexchox From Canada, joined Nov 2009, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 18829 times:

3 videos of a walkarounds of that aircraft. I believe it could be airworthy to ferry status with a weeks work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKSawEzzqEE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF3B-ECSKus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVH4HVNBvR0


User currently offlineLCYFlyer From Germany, joined Oct 2007, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 18518 times:

Quoting xchox (Reply 15):

3 videos of a walkarounds of that aircraft. I believe it could be airworthy to ferry status with a weeks work.

Thanks for posting the videos. However, I think it is better off as scrap/spare than getting it ready to fly again.
BTW is Las Vegas Sands still flying their L1011?



Cheers, Pierre
User currently offlinepilotanthony From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 17895 times:

i took the photo, and im the one asking why it was flown there in the first place! I think the Greeks dont know what to do with it, its been there 8 years! should be sold for scraps but you know what the Greeks are like it could be there another 10 years!


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Anthony Paraschou
User currently offlinepilotanthony From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 17433 times:


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here is the image



Anthony Paraschou
User currently offline9MMPQ From Netherlands, joined Nov 2011, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 17176 times:

Quoting xchox (Reply 15):
I believe it could be airworthy to ferry status with a weeks work.

To put it optimistically, I think a week is a very optimistic estimate.

There have been threads around about returning aircraft from long term storage back to operations which all seemed to take a considerable amount of work even though those aircraft had preparation work done before going into storage. In this case she seems to have been sitting around in the state she was left in back in 2005 which probably makes things worse.

My       is on the scrapper in this case.



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User currently onlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2917 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 16961 times:

Quoting LCYFlyer (Reply 16):
TW is Las Vegas Sands still flying their L1011?

Yes, unless something has changed very recently.



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User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6680 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 16729 times:

Quoting xchox (Reply 15):
3 videos of a walkarounds of that aircraft. I believe it could be airworthy to ferry status with a weeks work.

You can hardly tell the airworthiness of an airliner by an external walk-around. You can tell nothing about the engines (unless they are obviously unserviceable), the avionics, the control systems. or whether there is any significant structural corrosion. And before the plane flies, there has to be an economic justification for flying it; unfortunately, there is a reason hardly any L-1011's are still flying-they are not economically viable, as their fuel consumption is much higher than newer planes and all of them are getting quite old, making maintenance much more expensive. It doesn't help that Lockheed is out of the civil aircraft business; it means that they are not going to be all that supportive of operators, adding to the headache and cost of trying to keep one airborne.



The problem with making things foolproof is that fools are so doggone ingenious...Dan Keebler
User currently offlinedash500 From Portugal, joined May 2005, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 16669 times:

Las Vegas Sands' L-1011 was caught in Thailand floods in 2011 while parked at Don Muang airport. I think the aircraft never flew again due to the damage and was never repaired.


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User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6680 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 15107 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 20):

Yes, unless something has changed very recently.

Wikipedia lists only four flying L-1011's as of Dec. 2012, with two each for two operators. Las Vegas Sands was not one of them.



The problem with making things foolproof is that fools are so doggone ingenious...Dan Keebler
User currently offline135mech From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 396 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 14894 times:
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Quoting dash500 (Reply 22):
Las Vegas Sands' L-1011 was caught in Thailand floods in 2011 while parked at Don Muang airport. I think the aircraft never flew again due to the damage and was never repaired.
Quoting SEPilot (Reply 23):
Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 20):

Yes, unless something has changed very recently.

Wikipedia lists only four flying L-1011's as of Dec. 2012, with two each for two operators. Las Vegas Sands was not one of them.

That really sucks! Got to see that gorgeous bird fly out of LAS in 2009 and 2010and was still graceful!

135Mech


25 Post contains images readytotaxi : Love all the videos, don't you just want to give it a great big cuddle
26 TrnsWrld : If that picture and three youtube videos are basically how that L1011 looks now, its actually in pretty good condition. Sure it would require a lot of
27 DL_Mech : It was scrapped in 1993 by the airport authority. Unfortunately, efforts by volunteers to fix it up and interest by the Smithsonian was not enough to
28 TC957 : I thought Las Vegas Sands have / had 2 TriStar's, the last two built N388LS & N389LS ??
29 Viscount724 : Assume you are excluding the RAF's. Ii bellieve they still have 9 L-1011s in service.
30 flightsimer : Thanks alot... just spent last 3 hours watching that movie lol anyone know what 1011 was used for the filming?
31 Post contains links debonair : The best reliable source (sorry only German) is only listing 9 active L1011's with two operators- have a look: http://www.eucomairlines.de/airlines/a
32 Post contains images DL_Mech : N31018
33 mayor : Oh, yeah....the public could see it from Bessie Coleman Drive and when I was there it said "Naked City" quite clearly on the fuselage.
34 EASTERN747 : Please tell the name of the actor who played the pilot!
35 Post contains links Viscount724 : David Morse. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001556/ http://sharetv.org/person/david_morse
36 SJCMSP : I was with my family on vacation in Maine in 1994 and we spent a night at the Marriott overlooking Bangor Airport. They were filming the Langoliers a
37 Post contains images SEPilot : You are correct; I meant to say commercial operators. Sorry.
38 United_fan : I did see that the Stargazer L1011 flew MHV-VCV the other day.
39 Post contains links DeltaRules : While we're on abandoned L-1011s, what's the deal with this ex-BWIA TriStar that appears to be in ragged shape, but openly accessible in Trinidad? htt
40 type-rated : Looks like someone is trying to convert it into a dwelling at some point in the future.
41 9MMPQ : Perhaps if it had been soaking in water long enough the gear had to be changed ? Which leads me to remember this: I had to look it up since it's been
42 SEPilot : I am a little surprised at this; considering that the vast majority of L-1011's have been scrapped I would expect that serviceable landing gear shoul
43 n471wn : And she is still at VCV with engines attached.....
44 135mech : Only 250 of the L-1011's total were ever made; and with some of them being military conversions now, the said militaries might have bought up the mar
45 cornutt : And don't forget about the Stargazer, the L-1011 that Orbital Sciences uses as the Pegasus rocket launcher.
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