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AA's First 737 With Avod Delivers Soon!  
User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 444 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 12414 times:
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Americans first 737-800 with PTVs and AVOD at every seat will be delivered this month (3JY). It will have all leather seating and as mentioned PTVs and AVOD at every seat. Cant wait!

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User currently offlinelucky777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 12382 times:

Kind of sad when you consider Delta and UA have been flying around witb AVOD for years and AA has only now begun the procesd...better late than never i suppose?

User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11116 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 12313 times:

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 1):
Kind of sad when you consider Delta and UA have been flying around witb AVOD for years and AA has only now begun the procesd...better late than never i suppose?

Perhaps, although AA is turning over so much of its fleet, so relatively quickly, that AA should be able to catch up rather fast. Consider that within just a few years from today AA will probably have replaced most if not all of its MD80, 757 and 767-200ER fleets with new jets, all flying around with MCE, nose-to-tail AVOD IFE and wifi, and that AA will also have put into service several dozen new widebodies that also have nose-to-tail AVOD IFE and wifi. Not bad. By the time AA is done taking delivery of all of these hundreds of new 737s and A319s/A321s, the only jets left in the mainline fleet that won't have nose-to-tail AVOD will be the 767-300ERs and however many are left of the "original" 737s, and by then those two fleets together are probably going to comprise only around one quarter or less of the overall fleet.


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 12316 times:

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 1):

Kind of sad when you consider Delta and UA have been flying around witb AVOD for years and AA has only now begun the procesd...better late than never i suppose?

Yes, but, IIRC, hasn't DL stopped installing domestic AVOD? And UA only has it on ex-CO aircraft. AA is going AVOD on it's entire mainline domestic fleet, as the only planes not being converted - MD80s, 762s and older 738s - phase out.

Still sad it took so long, but AA is more serious about making this fleet-wide than UA or DL.

[Edited 2013-01-23 09:33:30]


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User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 12272 times:
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The one thing I would really be currious is the transition of the current 737 fleet. The vast majority are only a few years old, and what the time line is to update those interiors. Time will tell. Exciting times at camp AA!

User currently offlinejetboytwa From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 388 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 12165 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Thread starter):

Are you sure about this? The AVOD aircraft are not scheduled to enter the fleet until later this year.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11116 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 12155 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 4):
The one thing I would really be currious is the transition of the current 737 fleet. The vast majority are only a few years old, and what the time line is to update those interiors. Time will tell. Exciting times at camp AA!

Well, we know the non-BSI 737s won't be getting the Sky Interior, as it cannot be entirely retrofitted, although apparently all 737s are getting the new flat panel displays and obviously they're all getting somewhat modified with MCE.

As for AVOD, I suspect AA will go the cheap route and simply keep the 737s that don't have it without it. It will definitely cause a product disconnect between the "old" and new 737s, but I wonder if AA is willing to pay the money to fix that disconnect. It would be nice for AA to bring all the old 737s up to the new standard - at least with regards to the AVOD and power ports. I guess we shall see.

Either way, I think AA's primary focus with the 737s now - as it should be - is getting the entire fleet, both old and new, standardized on the same configuration, as having four different configurations now causes operational and economic complexity that AA doesn't want to deal with.

The other factor that is no doubt weighing on the decision is of course that by the time AA gets done taking delivery of all these new 737s and A319s/A321s over the next nearly-decade, the oldest 737s will be approaching retirement age. Amazing, as I remember the day they went into service back in March 1999 - so crazy to think that was almost 14 years ago!


User currently offlineLONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11891 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 6):
Amazing, as I remember the day they went into service back in March 1999 - so crazy to think that was almost 14 years ago!

Has it been that long!? Wow, I remember being an googly eyed kid staring at the new 737s and 777s while transiting ORD back then.


User currently offlinedirtyfrankd From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11793 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 6):
As for AVOD, I suspect AA will go the cheap route and simply keep the 737s that don't have it without it. It will definitely cause a product disconnect between the "old" and new 737s, but I wonder if AA is willing to pay the money to fix that disconnect. It would be nice for AA to bring all the old 737s up to the new standard - at least with regards to the AVOD and power ports. I guess we shall see.

Have there been any announcements regarding what will be done on the current 737s which do not have AVOD? Do we know for sure yet whether AA plans on adding AVOD to ALL 737s or only to new ones?


User currently offlinedfambro From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11478 times:

Well this is progress, and it means AA will no longer be doing what I think is the *Most Annoying Thing Airlines Do*, which is advertise products they do not have.

And it means they'll start doing the *Second Most Annoying Thing Airlines Do*, which is advertise products that almost none of their fleet has.


User currently offlinemartinrpo1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 11282 times:

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 1):


Kind of sad how Delta is filling up with old MD-90's...Compare this to AA'S narrowbody order


User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1558 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 11247 times:
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Quoting martinrpo1 (Reply 10):
Kind of sad how Delta is filling up with old MD-90's...Compare this to AA'S narrowbody order

Why is this sad? They got a great deal on the a/c and are saving a ton compared to buying new a/c. They are used on relatively short domestic routes where the need for the extra bling isn't as strong.

Of course, you can always vote with your wallet and only fly on an airline which has nose to tail AVOD on the route you wish to fly. Scheduling might be tricky and you might pay a bit more but airlines such as Virgin America and Jet Blue I'm sure won't turn you down if you buy a ticket.


User currently offlineairdfw From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 11209 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Thread starter):
Americans first 737-800 with PTVs and AVOD at every seat will be delivered this month (3JY). It will have all leather seating and as mentioned PTVs and AVOD at every seat. Cant wait!

How big is the PTV?


User currently offlineqqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2243 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11020 times:

Quoting dirtyfrankd (Reply 8):
Have there been any announcements regarding what will be done on the current 737s which do not have AVOD? Do we know for sure yet whether AA plans on adding AVOD to ALL 737s or only to new ones?

AA has said they have no plans of outfitting existing a/c with AVOD. Hopefully this will change. Now having said that, CEO Tom Horton said in the video introducing the new livery that there will be fleet wide AVOD, but in a later slide on aa.com/newamerican it says AVOD on all 'new' aircraft. There is a discrepancy here, and Tom's statement is the only contradiction I've heard to the original information that AVOD would exist on new delivery a/c only.

Quoting jetboytwa (Reply 5):
Are you sure about this? The AVOD aircraft are not scheduled to enter the fleet until later this year.

December was the last I heard, so if it is entering service within a month, that's news (great news!). Plus we have not received any updates to our manual for it. I guess we'll see!



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User currently offlinelucky777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10985 times:

What happens if/when AA and LCC merge. It's a well-known fact that Parker&Company aren't big fans of onboard amenities like AVOD...?

User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1558 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10931 times:
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USAir isn't a true LCC. That being said, a merger would mean additional issues to sort out such as AVOD. I don't think an airline is competitive without some AVOD on long haul aircraft.

User currently onlinedeltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10833 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 6):
As for AVOD, I suspect AA will go the cheap route and simply keep the 737s that don't have it without it. It will definitely cause a product disconnect between the "old" and new 737s,

Maybe not so much. If those birds are deployed on flights from DFW to like MCI, IND, PIT, DEN, PHX, etc it won't be too bad. If they added say an Airshow map to those planes and keep up w/ the audio selections they have now (few may notice but AA compared to a lot has some good radio stations)...and maybe rotate a popular 30 minute show or documentary on those flights then IMO I think that would be a solid product for a flight of that length. But who knows! No one at these US airlines seems detailed oriented for little but cool deets (that don't cost extra) in the pax experience these days.


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4057 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 10326 times:

Quoting airdfw (Reply 12):

How big is the PTV?

Well if their current PTVs are any indication, about this big (holding my hands for a four inch screen)



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User currently offlinedirtyfrankd From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 9856 times:

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 15):
USAir isn't a true LCC. That being said, a merger would mean additional issues to sort out such as AVOD. I don't think an airline is competitive without some AVOD on long haul aircraft.

LCC is US Airways' stock ticker. I think that's what lucky777 was referring to.


User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2807 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 9720 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 6):
As for AVOD, I suspect AA will go the cheap route and simply keep the 737s that don't have it without it. It will definitely cause a product disconnect between the "old" and new 737s, but I wonder if AA is willing to pay the money to fix that disconnect. It would be nice for AA to bring all the old 737s up to the new standard - at least with regards to the AVOD and power ports. I guess we shall see.

They could always do what QF is doing with IPAD's. That would allow for fleet wide AVOD without having to do all that much to the existing interiors.

http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airl...eless-inflight-entertainment/au/en


User currently offlinebraniffmsy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9661 times:

Well UA is going to soon being removing inseat Direct TV..... So.

User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9588 times:

Quoting braniffmsy (Reply 20):
Well UA is going to soon being removing inseat Direct TV..... So.

Is it? I just thought it wasn't going to be installed anymore.

Also, IIRC, the AA AVOD doesn't have a live television componenet. All pre-recorded.



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User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9296 times:

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 14):
What happens if/when AA and LCC merge. It's a well-known fact that Parker&Company aren't big fans of onboard amenities like AVOD...?

Parker and company don't have their claws in AA just yet. Some of us hope that they never will. Anything that improves upon the AA product is welcome news, regardless of the bankruptcy outcome. Glad to see that AA is building a modern fleet with amenities that will help them compete effectively.



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User currently offlinetonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8615 times:

What happened to AA streaming content to mobile devices? I have never been on a flight with this option.

User currently offlinejetboytwa From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 388 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8539 times:

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 23):
What happened to AA streaming content to mobile devices? I have never been on a flight with this option.

If you're on an American S80, 737, or 767-200 that has Gogo wifi, it also has the streaming video option. All of the movies/music content can be accessed via the Gogo homepage (for a fee). I use it often and it's very quick - they have an iOS app to use for it, too.


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 25, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8722 times:

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 23):

What happened to AA streaming content to mobile devices? I have never been on a flight with this option.

Service is available on every AA flight with WiFi.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 26, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8408 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 3):
Yes, but, IIRC, hasn't DL stopped installing domestic AVOD? And UA only has it on ex-CO aircraft. AA is going AVOD on it's entire mainline domestic fleet, as the only planes not being converted - MD80s, 762s and older 738s - phase out.

Still sad it took so long, but AA is more serious about making this fleet-wide than UA or DL.

DL's new 739ERs will come with AVOD from the factory. Also, DL will soon be retrofitting the 753s with AVOD.

Also, while the ex-CO aircraft have PTVs, they are not AVOD, but the LiveTV system by JetBlue.



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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 27, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7651 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 3):
Yes, but, IIRC, hasn't DL stopped installing domestic AVOD?

No. 753s will be getting it and the 739s will come from Boeing with AVOD

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 3):
Still sad it took so long, but AA is more serious about making this fleet-wide than UA or DL.

.....hmmm pretty big statement for someone who has no idea what Delta will spend capital on once the International fleet is done. (and this is also adding to the fact that they have been spending billions adding AVOD, nose to tail, to every single international wide body they have.....Don't think AA is doing that.....)



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User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5066 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4806 times:

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 1):
Kind of sad when you consider Delta and UA have been flying around witb AVOD for years and AA has only now begun the procesd...better late than never i suppose?

Remember that AA has been spiraling downward and went into bankruptcy in November of 2011. UA exited bankruptcy in 2006, and DL has also been out of bankruptcy for a few years. UA and DL had cost structures that permitted them to start putting AVOD into aircraft in the domestic fleet.

What this shows is that AA should have been less noble about restructuring and filed for bankruptcy in 2003, rather than try to cut costs without the benefit fo the bankruptcy code.


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 29, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4224 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 27):
(and this is also adding to the fact that they have been spending billions adding AVOD, nose to tail, to every single international wide body they have.....Don't think AA is doing that.....)

Pretty sure AA is doing that. While details - including whether or not there will be AVOD in coach - have not been announced, the entire widebody fleet sans the older (i.e. going to be parked) 763s are getting new interiors starting in January 2014.

Fact remains, like I said, neither DL or UA have plans to go domestic fleet-wide with PTVs.



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User currently offlineqqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2243 posts, RR: 13
Reply 30, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3858 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 29):

There will be AVOD nose to tail on all new aircraft, wide body and narrow body. Information can be found here:
http://www.aa.com/i18n/urls/newplanes.jsp

The question is whether or not existing a/c will get AVOD, and so far AA says no. The 772, when reconfigured, will get the new seats with larger, 9" screens, like the 77W in coach.



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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 31, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3808 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 29):

Pretty sure AA is doing that. While details - including whether or not there will be AVOD in coach - have not been announced, the entire widebody fleet sans the older (i.e. going to be parked) 763s are getting new interiors starting in January 2014.

And Delta will be done with its widebody fleet, adding 100 new domestic aircraft with AVOD and have all the capex room from the international moods to do something with the domestic fleet. (if they wanted) (along with 16 757s getting mods.)



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User currently offlinecrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3375 times:
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