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Delta Looking To Order 24-30 A320 Or 737s?  
User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4898 posts, RR: 25
Posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 21300 times:
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According to this (link below), Delta appears to be talking to Airbus and Boeing about some 24-30 A320s or 737s; these will be for the existing 'older' models, not the NEO or the MAX....

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...ng-on-jet-purchase.html?cmpid=yhoo

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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7474 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 21270 times:

737. I would never see them buying more airbuses.


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User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 21205 times:
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I wonder if they could be ordering more 737-700s?

[Edited 2013-01-23 16:38:22]


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30910 posts, RR: 87
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 21141 times:
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DL ordered 100 737-900ERs in August 2011, so that might give the 737 a bit of an advantage.

User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 930 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 21074 times:

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 2):
I wonder if they could be ordering more 737-700s?

Isn't that why they got the 717s?



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User currently offlinephxa340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 886 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 21014 times:

Boeing needs to sell more NGs than Airbus needs to sell OEOs so I see this going to Boeing as well as there are more motivated to keep their production line full before the Eis of the MAX. They better hurry though before FR takes up all the slots.

User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 21013 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 4):

Isn't that why they got the 717s?

Different missions. The initial 700 order was for South American hot and high fields. Maybe they want to expand on that, or some long and thin routes.



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User currently offlinesparky35805 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 20833 times:
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These will probably be A320s or 737-800s to replace the older MD88s and A320s,which weredelivered starting in the late 1980s.The best deal will probably win the order.
Sparky


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12138 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 20795 times:

So are these to be used aircraft, or new build B-737NGs or A-32XOEOs? If they are for used airplanes, there are plenty of A-32Xs and B-737NGs currently on the market.

User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9612 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 20741 times:

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 6):
Different missions. The initial 700 order was for South American hot and high fields. Maybe they want to expand on that, or some long and thin routes.

The large number of A319s should help with short field requirements. Although they won't be spec'd for superstar runway performance like the 73Gs that Delta ordered, the A319 should help.

I'd expect 900ERs with a slight chance of more 73Gs if they are looking at expanding their operations at airports with sort fields.



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3070 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 20678 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 9):
Although they won't be spec'd for superstar runway performance like the 73Gs that Delta ordered, the A319 should help.

What did DL spec for superstar runway performance on the -700s? I assume they got the Short Field Performance option.


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1936 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 20595 times:

I would guess an order of 738s is coming. I just can't see DL ordering A320s.

User currently offlineNW From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 150 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 20480 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 8):
So are these to be used aircraft, or new build B-737NGs or A-32XOEOs? If they are for used airplanes, there are plenty of A-32Xs and B-737NGs currently on the market.

From what Richard Anderson said, these would be for used, 8-10 years old A320 and 737.


User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 20480 times:
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Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 6):

It's funny how the 737-700s have made their way through the DL system, not just to S American hot/high fields nor just short runways.

Some 737-700 routes:

Understandable:

ATL-PTY/TGU/BOG/SXM/SJD/MEX
JFK-BOG/MEX(seasonal 2nd flight)

Some surprising, but welcome:

ATL-SNA/CHS(2x daily)/GSO/TUL/DAY/JFK
JFK-TPA/ATL


The rotation of these beautiful birds through the domestic system tells me two things:

A. They have a decent amount of slack in the -700 fleet
B. They have found that the birds are also working well on domestic routes


I really hope this is a -700 order. They are some of the most comfortable planes I've been on and they are the best looking planes in the sky.



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 20440 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 4):
Isn't that why they got the 717s?

No. The 717s are to replace the remaining DC-9s as well as to push some 50 seat regional jets out of the picture.

Considering that DL was originally rumored to be looking at a 200 a/c order at the time they made the 737-900ER order, this is not surprising at all.

I'm leaning towards it being for additional 737s, a mix of 737-700s and 737-800s but the order would also include 20-30 options for either NG or MAX a/c that would probably be used for 739ERs once DL gets enough of them in the fleet to get a feel for how they fit into the fleet.


User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1179 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 20292 times:

Reading the transcript from the earnings call
I was under the impression that Delta is looking towards the purchase of Used A/C
from the Q&A:
Richard Anderson
"if you look at our wide-body fleet the average age of the wide-body fleet is 13 to 14 years. And on our domestic fleet, we began this year with a significant number of new deliveries. So, we are always working to calibrate the right mix of new deliveries and used deliveries. Given the glut of narrow-bodies coming on the market right now, we think that there is going to be significant opportunities because residual values on eight to ten year old narrow-body airplanes are on a significant downward slide. And we will continue to be with the glut of airplanes there."

[Edited 2013-01-23 17:28:16]

User currently offlinehhslax2 From Bahrain, joined Jan 2012, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 20160 times:

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 13):
Some surprising, but welcome:

ATL-SNA

Not surprising at all given the operating conditions at SNA.

[Edited 2013-01-23 17:19:09]

User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6125 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 20114 times:

First of all it sounds like they want used aircraft.

Quoting sparky35805 (Reply 7):
737-800s

IF they did order it would be for more 900's

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 9):
The large number of A319s should help with short field requirements.

IMHO DL does not like the 319s. their operating costs do not stack up well against the MDs and 737s on most mission requirements

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 13):
ATL-PTY

This used to be a 757.....big downgrade actually. this route can easily be done with the 738/9 if the demand was there.

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 13):
A. They have a decent amount of slack in the -700 fleet
B. They have found that the birds are also working well on domestic routes

A & B.



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User currently offlinemplsjefe From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 20119 times:
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Quoting cokepopper (Reply 15):
if you look at our wide-body fleet the average age of the wide-body fleet is 13 to 14 years. And on our domestic fleet, we began this year with a significant number of new deliveries. So, we are always working to calibrate the right mix of new deliveries and used deliveries. Given the glut of narrow-bodies coming on the market right now, we think that there is going to be significant opportunities because residual values on eight to ten year old narrow-body airplanes are on a significant downward slide. And we will continue to be with the glut of airplanes there.

I think all bets are off on this one. DL has a lot more a319/320s than 737s right now, and if they are looking to get used aircraft why not Airbuses? They have the pilots to fly them, experience to run and maintain them, and this doesn't need to be associated with the 737-900er order.

I think that whatever metal DL can get for the best deal will be it; used a320/319s or 737s. DL's business model doesn't care for loyalty per se, only profitability which is why they continue to make money.

Just my 2 cents.

mplsjefe


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30910 posts, RR: 87
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 20079 times:
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The used aircraft market is generally a wash - a 2004 era A320-200 averages $26.5 million and a 2004 era 737-800 averages $29 million. For a block as large as DL wants, if they can find a carrier willing to part with that many, they could secure an even better deal.

FR is now said to be getting serious about placing a top-up 737-800 order. Perhaps they're talking to DL about some of their existing frames?


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3070 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 20030 times:

Quoting hhslax2 (Reply 16):
Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 13):
Some surprising, but welcome:

ATL-SNA

Not surprising at all given the operating conditions at SNA.

I thought DL went back to all 757s SNA-ATL?

But yeah, the 73G is an excellent airplane for SNA operations.


User currently offlineB757forever From United States of America, joined May 2010, 401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 19841 times:

Quoting panamair (Thread starter):
Delta appears to be talking to Airbus and Boeing about some 24-30 A320s or 737s;

Doesn't DL already have 30 options on the -900ER?


User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 19806 times:
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Quoting hhslax2 (Reply 16):

I know, as there are also 757s, the route doesn't really "require" the 73G like some other routes do.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 20):

I believe it is 3x 757 at the moment, but like JFK-ATL, it is interchanged a decent amount.



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User currently offlinesxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 19767 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 19):
FR is now said to be getting serious about placing a top-up 737-800 order. Perhaps they're talking to DL about some of their existing frames?

FR's configuration makes such a deal unlikely. Not only would the interiors need to be completely gutted and overhauled, FR has minimum thrust and weight, requiring DL (or FR or the lessor) to buy more from Boeing. Thrust and weight is not generally cheap.

I see DL buying new aircraft. Unless there is a significant block of used sister ships, going to the secondary market is a pain. Look at the difficulties they've had inducting MD-90s in a timely manner.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7565 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 19668 times:

Yesterday during the earnings/analyst call,Anderson specifically mentioned used narrowbody aircraft.
Today this rumor/planted leak/insider info made its way into the headlines.

Either this is a seperate issue, or there is misinterpretation about Anderson's comments.


25 Deltal1011man : I can't remember if the baby 37s have the SFP package, but they do have the 27K CFM-56-7X engine. The A319s have The older CFM-56-5A2 engine and I th
26 MCOflyer : The older A320's have the 5A2 powerplant while the A319 has the 5B power plant. KH
27 Stitch : Would that not be the case whomever they bought from? Even if they were to get two-class birds second-hand from say AA or AS, I would expect DL would
28 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : Delta has been picking up used aircraft like the MD-90s and Southwest's 717s. They also have picked up recently a couple of Pratt powered 757s. They w
29 SPREE34 : Yup. And your "B" point as well. They don't make money sitting on the ramp.
30 jbmitt : Any chance of them picking up some of the 737-832s that they sold off prior to delivery? I believe that some of them may have ended up with WestJet.
31 sparky35805 : The report in the link states the this order will be for new aircraft. Sparky
32 PSU.DTW.SCE : The article in the link says new aircraft, but it is based on information from "a person familar with the matter" not an official press release. The
33 Deltal1011man : according to the fleet book I have the 319s have CFM56-5-A5 (and the 320s have CFM56-5-A1 or CFM56-5-A3s depending on the ship) No idea why it would
34 sxf24 : I think FR planes would have greater reconfiguration costs, since bins, labs, galleys, etc would need to be replaced. I would estimate an interior re
35 Roseflyer : High performance engines and brakes. There is no short field package for the 700
36 SXDFC : How much did it run ET? Don't they operate a few 738's ( although one sadly crashed ).. I doubt ET would have operated them with the yellow bins,etc.
37 scbriml : *cough* AA *cough*
38 Post contains images chiad : Just was I was thinking.
39 Post contains images oldeuropean : Mee too! I was wondering if I had a deja vu, because of such childish statements. [Edited 2013-01-23 23:57:55]
40 prost : But as someone mentioned, does Airbus have as many slots of the OEO to fill as Boeing has for the NG? I ask because that might determine pricing flexi
41 jbcarioca : DL has clearly demonstrated they'll buy whatever is the cheapest way to get the performance they need. The 717's are clear evidence of that. Because,
42 scbriml : They don't, and they had a good year for ceo sales in 2012. I don't think it would make a scrap of difference. If DL is serious in considering Airbus
43 yellowtail : Not to get off topic but the MD88s are really tired. I have flown 4 in the past month and all them were in bad shape...especially in the bathrooms.
44 GSPflyer : Maybe this order is intended to start replacing them?
45 brilondon : I bet that it would be the conversion of the 739 options to firm orders. That would give them the ability to retire some more of the older aircraft i
46 southwest737500 : Also CLT gets a -700
47 MaddogJT8D : I've flown three DL MD-88's and one original DL MD-90 since December and I have to disagree with you, I thought both types were in great shape and di
48 clemsonaj : I flew four this week (9107, 927, 933, and 949) and didn't think they were in that bad of shape. Certainly not as bad as some of the 757s and older 3
49 panamair : Never say never...If Airbus is willing to offer a sweet deal and take a bunch of 50-seaters,......it's no big deal for Delta since they already have
50 PSU.DTW.SCE : This has nothing to do with 50 seaters. Airbus (or Boeing) having nothing to do with offloading 50 seaters. DL already has a plan to get to their tar
51 phxa340 : Which has been debated to death on here - AA needed both A and B to fill their needs. DL does not - but this whole debate is kind of mute as it has b
52 panamair : Just going off of this bit in the report: ".....Delta is seeking an accord in which it would get new planes while having Boeing or Airbus take some o
53 neutronstar73 : You, Sir, are a Winner! You've successfully put this chain of thought to bed rather effectively. I think some have missed the plot on this Delta orde
54 SEPilot : The article, from what I can tell, is nothing more than reporting on rumors. I just think Delta is exploring all options to improve its fleet, both fr
55 yellowtail : Clearly I am having a run of bad luck then.....especially since I was flying AA in between and kept getting their new 738s.
56 tommy767 : It's fair game. Would be cool to see some new A320s around with AVOD
57 delta2ual : I think it depends on the upgrades. My aunt flew DL last month and when I asked her how the flight was, she said she was on a "new" plane; turnes out
58 mesaflyguy : Not disagreeing with you, you were there and I was not, but I flew on two this past week and they were in pretty good shape. They were newer ones, ho
59 jetlanta : I have to think you are indeed. I log about 4-6 M88 flights per month and have been flying them since they were new to the fleet. I don't think they'
60 B727FA : They all have the 16 seats now. There is no more MD88/8R or MD90/9K because all mods have been completed and "new" MD90's will only come on the line
61 KingAir200 : 319s have -5A5s with 23,500lbs of thrust. 3209-3233 and 3277-3278 are -211s with 25k -5A1s. 3234-3276 are -212s with 26.5k -5A3s Edited to add 3277 a
62 Post contains images scbriml : They didn't know that before they took Airbus's blockbuster deal to Boeing who were promptly forced into launching the MAX. Most news reports say new
63 XFSUgimpLB41X : From a pilot standpoint, the 737 is awful. I sure hope Airbus gets this round!
64 B757forever : I feel that Anderson is working towards firming up the 30 739ER options. He is a pretty shrewd negotiator and knows timing is key. With all the bad n
65 PSU.DTW.SCE : Very interesting theory. It is almost assured that the 100 739ERs is just the beginning as there are many more aircraft on the way. Makes sense to co
66 1337Delta764 : If the plan is indeed for DL to exercise its options with Boeing, I wonder if DL can convert those options to the 738. 130 739ERs seems like a lot of
67 B757forever : I also think it is a foregone conclusion that there are more 717s and MD90s in the future as well.
68 phxa340 : Yes we got it the AA 320 was a huge coup for Airbus. Now back to DL - they are buying used so your right it really could be the 32X or 73X at this po
69 BoeingGuy : Care to elaborate? That's certainly not what I hear from some pilots who have flow both A & B. Some pilots like to know they have ultimate contro
70 XFSUgimpLB41X : The 737 is cramped, loud, sloppy on the flight controls, and is chock full of state of the art hardware.... from the 1960s. You have ultimate control
71 BoeingGuy : Not correct. The 787 and 777 have "soft" envelope protection functions that will give tactile feedback when a limit is being exceeded (e.g. try to ro
72 DocLightning : That and there's no law that they have to get all 737's or all A320's. They could split the order. They already operate large fleets of both types, s
73 Post contains images KingAir200 : Ah, but does it have a traytable or cupholder?
74 GSPflyer : I figure this order will ultimately be to replace MD-88, since the 738 is closer in capacity than the 739ER. I believe some of the DL A320s were amon
75 Post contains images Deltal1011man : IIRC the DL 73W were some of the first 737s with Carbon brakes. Ah yes, Generally its safe to compare an airline that orders 500+ airplanes to one th
76 Post contains images XFSUgimpLB41X : Close... if you want to override a hard protection (why would you want to? If you need max alpha full back on the stick gives you exactly that) you c
77 DocLightning : Do you know if Boeing is going to fix the -MAX to make it more pilot-friendly? I have heard this opinion from just about every professional pilot who
78 Post contains images XFSUgimpLB41X : I believe the switchology is being improved.. I'm not sure if it's getting an EICAS, though. And I realllly hope they ditch that horrible trim wheel!
79 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : A split order between 30 frames would surprise me. DL has 68 active A320s and 40 of them will be retired in the coming years. Would it make sense to
80 columba : If this is for used aircraft, Air Berlin will sell some of its fleet - I guess it will be both A320s and 737-800s - might be an opportunity for DL to
81 United1 : ...the Lion Air MD90's are coming onboard. At least that's what was said in another thread....
82 Post contains images Deltal1011man : Or reduce the cost and go to a fleet that doesn't have 500 plane types and 313387534853457034873567540274 configs.
83 columba : DL has one of the largest fleets worldwide. They will continue to have a mixed Airbus and Boeing fleet as it is impossible to rely only on one manufa
84 Deltal1011man : and 30 airplanes aren't going to replace much of that. 739s will replace ~40 A320s. (and some 757/767 aircraft)
85 DocLightning : What would you say is the minimum economical fleet size? Remember, these will be used aircraft, so it isn't an "order."
86 Post contains images rwy04lga : It's certainly not impossible, DL was doing fine with having only Boeing prior to the NW acquisition. I don't see any reason not to slowly phase out
87 panamair : We can't be sure of that. If you believe the article (i.e., they are talking to Airbus and Boeing), these 24-30 will most likely be new aircraft...ot
88 Post contains images scbriml : No, that's your misinterpretation of my point to those that insist "DL will never buy Airbus". So right back at you. Yes, they did. But, ask yourself
89 columba : Know your history, DL had McDonnell Douglas, Lockheed and Boeing aircraft before that (okay the Tristars were retired before the merger with NW) but
90 Post contains links neutronstar73 : I suspect DL will ask anyone to drive down the prices of the competing product(s). And Airbus isn't dumb enough to tell DL "Thanks, but no thanks" as
91 SEPilot : That's the rub. If pilots had any input into purchase decisions Boeing would have improved the cockpit long ago.
92 bobnwa : He also has stated he would never fly on any Airbus with any airline in the past.
93 BoeingGuy : The 737NG is the way it is because of customer input. Customers, especially WN, asked for minimal changes from the 737 Classic. They asked for an ine
94 commavia : Well, I guess it really depends on how you define "required" and "needed." AA "needed" (or "required") 500 new airplanes because it's narrowbody flee
95 KingAir200 : In the '80s when the initial 320 order was placed, the A series were the only engines available. My understanding of it has been that NW then stayed
96 Post contains images XFSUgimpLB41X : DL's CEO has stated numerous times that he will go with the manufacturer that best fits the airline. Going with only one manufacturer is poor strateg
97 gigneil : I'd love to see the numbers. The A319 can outdeliver the 737-700 on every performance characteristic. They do not. That engine isn't even an option o
98 sxf24 : Really? Do you have a source for that claim?
99 Pihero : To call these sub-variants "different types" is disingenuous at least and misleading.+
100 gigneil : I sure do. NS
101 XFSUgimpLB41X : FWIW, Richard Anderson disagrees with you. He's not thrilled with the 319's costs vs performance.
102 brilondon : I still stand by my thinking that they will convert the options for the 739's. BTW do they have any options for any Airbus aircraft? Its Airbuses not
103 mesaflyguy : I just meant that in a "the 737-700s are much more comfortable from a passenger aspect" kinda way. Maybe so, but I think that may come down the line
104 Md88Captain : Having flown both, I'd prefer the Airbus product hands down. But this deal will be made on economics, not my preference. (Boeing really dorked up the
105 BoeingGuy : Dorked it up so bad, it's sold what, like 6,000 airplanes? But yeah, everyone recognizes what you guys are saying. EICAS and a Central Maintenance Fu
106 XFSUgimpLB41X : As has been stated, pilots don't buy the airplanes. Boeing takes some input from pilots on design, but it's driven by economics. The junky 737NG cock
107 DocLightning : It would be an entire new type, which would require separate crew certification, a far more expensive redesign program (even if it was to just graft
108 B757forever : The DL 737-700 aircraft do in fact have CFM56-7B26/3 engines.
109 scbriml : No, DL is already guaranteed Boeing's lowest price. Yes they would. They have in the past - they told O'Leary to take a hike and came within an ace o
110 Md88Captain : When your flying 18 days a month, the Airbus is just a much more comfortable way to do it.
111 B757forever : They do and they don't. They are not listed with the other commitments and options on the 10K but this footnote was taken straight from "Flight Equip
112 Post contains images XFSUgimpLB41X : It's a sexy looking nose... until you climb inside it!
113 YXwatcherMKE : Having never sat in that seat, (the closest was 1C) why do pilots complain about the nose of the 737-XXX? And does anyone know if the 737-Max will ha
114 Post contains images mesaflyguy : I thought the MAX was to have the same nose, but if they changed it they couldn't make the plane any uglier. (BTW I'm implying that the MAX is going
115 XFSUgimpLB41X : The shape of the nose makes for a very small and cramped cockpit. It is basically the same width or even narrower than the CRJ cockpit! Flying up to
116 Post contains images YXwatcherMKE : I was not thinking that the 737 was ugly in any way in fact I have always loved the look of the a/c since the first time I saw it way way back in the
117 7BOEING7 : Deafening, hardly. I spent over 30 years in a 737, never used a noise canceling headset and never had an issue. The newer ones are quieter but .... I
118 Post contains images XFSUgimpLB41X : Well, in comparison to the 727 it's not deafening. The noise levels on the FLUF definitely gave a marked increase in fatigue at the end of the day. A
119 papatango : Another rumor which died a slow death!
120 PSU.DTW.SCE : What rumor? This one? These things take time. Remember how long the "717's were a done deal" before it was even tenatively announced by Delta? - close
121 Post contains images Viscount724 : Vortex generators visible here.
122 rwy04lga : LOLOL, 3 points....1) My degree is in history, so I know a bit about it(especially mid-20th century European history).... 2) I work for Delta, so I k
123 BoeingGuy : DL also had A310s long before the NW merger. I think they inherited them from PA. Speaking of knowing history. DL bought DC-8s and DC-9s from Douglas
124 KC135TopBoom : Not true. DL took delivery of 35 new build B-737-200ADVs between 1983 and 1987 from Boeing. They took delivery of 5 B-737-300s in 1993. I'm not sure
125 Post contains images rwy04lga : I know what they had. But the point was that at the time of acquisition of NW, Delta only had BOEING airplanes and was relying on only ONE manufacture
126 Viscount724 : DL was the DC-9's launch customer and first operator. Their first DC-9-14 was delivered September 18, 1965 and the inaugural passenger flight was Dec
127 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : When Delta acquired all their MD-88s, they were acquired from McDonnell Douglas. The newest one was acquired in about October 1993. All the new build
128 ocracoke : Technically (and I know the point you are trying to make).... No. Though DL doesn't "fly" them, DL does OWN a good number of aircraft made by Bombard
129 cokepopper : I believe his point was A THE TIME OF THE AQUISITION of NW.. See...
130 rwy04lga : Then I am technically incorrect and stand corrected. I know you realize this, the debate was whether Delta needed both Airgreyhound AND Boeing. My po
131 rwy04lga : Don't forget the DC-3, DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7. I believe Delta's first Boeings were 727s inherited from NE in 1972.
132 wjcandee : A buddy of mine flew 757s for ATA. Then, he found himself with the opportunity to be in the left seat of the 737-800s that were coming on the propert
133 Post contains images PGNCS : Spot on, XFSU! Without any question. It's horrible, fatiguing, and unergonomic. Except for the blood and hair left in the numerous protruding switche
134 DocLightning : They don't, but if they can't find an entire set of frames of one type, my point is that there is nothing stopping them from splitting the type.
135 Post contains links and images TrijetsRMissed : Boeing MD-90? For someone who seems to know it all, it's funny that you're employer seems to disagree... http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...craft
136 Post contains images rwy04lga : With more than 10,000 or so sold/delivered, Boeing really dropped the ball on this one. What?? TYPE LOUDER!! Sharing the same nose, I wonder if the 70
137 TrijetsRMissed : I think if the MD-90 is any indication, 65-80 aircraft is preferred. Perhaps 50-60 would suffice, given the A319 commonality. Remember, the plan for
138 Post contains images Deltal1011man : His point is its Boeing now. (and support comes from Boeing) I honestly can't believe we are having this pissing match.
139 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : Yeah, thanks - I got that. And like I said, the argument is still false. Do you remember the landing gear wiring AD from 3-4 years ago? Do you think
140 Post contains images Deltal1011man : No just like the TCDS says MD. Again, when dealing with support a MD is now a Boeing. uh...yeah hints that faces. The way it was said? yes, the idea
141 columba : This point is invalid because at the time DL was buying their MD 80s and MD 90s, they made a contract with MDD not Boeing. The airplanes were deliver
142 gigneil : I am looking at the both the titles and the certificates for N306DQ and N307DQ and they have CFM-7B24s. I cannot imagine any more definitive source.
143 Post contains images Deltal1011man : All the Delta docs. say CFM56-7B26/3. Delta gives out fleet books that have the engine type(plus a bunch of other info, ships numbers, yada yada) and
144 Post contains images scbriml : Luckily for Boeing, pilots don't buy planes for airlines.
145 SEPilot : Customers are airline execs, not pilots. I was speaking of pilots, not airline execs. In what way?
146 rwy04lga : Wow, it's amazing that anybody survived that. Our two family members seem to be some of the lucky ones who walked away from the abyss of war.
147 Post contains links Deltal1011man : ugh. Ok 1) your wrong, Delta signed a contract with Boeing in the late 90s to be the only aircraft manufacture for Delta. 2) No my point is very vali
148 Post contains images Eightball : PGNCS, that comment cracked me up. I'm currently in a flight training program in order to get my commercial pilot license, and if my career planning
149 Post contains links scbriml : The exclusivity part of which was dropped almost immediately in return for EU agreement to the MD merger. http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/1997/ne
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