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AI To Finally Join The Star Alliance?  
User currently offlineTWA85 From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 221 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months ago) and read 8568 times:

Hello everybody,

The news artical link posted below states that AI may finally join the Star Alliance. Has AI improved their operation and performance enough to be a better option than 9W?

http://www.business-standard.com/ind...-star-to-finally-come-true/499717/

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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months ago) and read 8517 times:

Since Air India's entry to Star Alliance was deferred, it's on time performance has dropped 2% (still above 80% though), cancellation rate has increased 0.8%. Most of the difference can be attributed to weather.

There really haven't been any tangible changes to their operation. I'm not sure which improvements you're talking about?



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User currently offlineytz From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 1967 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months ago) and read 8410 times:

1) I hope not.

2) The random official quoted, seems to be pinning his hope on Star rejecting 9W because of a possible investment by EY. I don't know why an investment by EY would necessarily rule out membership unless he is assuming that Etihad favours another alliance (like Oneworld based on AB's membership).

It seems to be faint hope projected as a foregone conclusion, once again, from some random "official".

We'll see what happens. But for now, I can't imagine Star passing on 9W so easily.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8263 times:

Quoting ytz (Reply 2):
unless he is assuming that Etihad favours another alliance (like Oneworld based on AB's membership).

... or SkyTeam based on EY's coziness with AF/KL (and AF/KL's past offer with DL to 9W to join Sky).

In any event, things in India are interesting. EY might be in advanced talks to invest in 9W and I tend to believe that such a deal would make 9W's entry into Star Alliance less likely. On the other hand, BA seems to be looking at a possible investment in IndiGo. If both these events happen, maybe AI's only choice will be Star Alliance and vice versa.



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User currently offlineVIDP From India, joined Feb 2010, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8150 times:

After Kingfisher,s fall alot of flyers who prefer flying full service carriers including Business pax have shifted to Air India. AI has been able to develop a decent hub in Delhi T3 connecting various domestic flights operating from Delhi with its international services. Have taken numerous flights on AI both domestic as well as international things are not that bad as they seem to be quoted here in forum.

User currently offlinegoacom From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7328 times:

If *A were to let AI join them, it would be the worst decision they could make. AI is still operating as if it were a state monopoly - the only difference being that while there are LCC and domestic competitors who are much nimbler than it, AI has the advantage of getting free money from the national exchequer. Having gotten the recent fillup of billions of dollars, it is kind of flying again. I would take its so called "on time" statistics with a grain of salt thanks to the enormous level of data fudging, corruption and sheer incompetence that is so rampant with government organizations in India. One should also note that Aeroblogger has some kind of connection and loyalty to AI which makes him a non-neutral commentator. My observation with friends and family who travelled in Dec 2012 and Jan 2013 has been that AI on-time performance was a sick joke. Furthermore, the fact that AI is making Delhi its main hub is a big issue due to the weather issues that it suffers over there.

However the fundamental problem is that AI is a government run organization that is full of state backed employees who have the sense of entitlement and jobs for life mentality. When the employees go on strike (which is very often), an obvious conflict of interest arises between the state backed employees and the state managed airline. Most often than not, the employees win, resulting in unsustainable pressure on AI's bottom line. AI is extremely overstaffed and it is easy to observe that as once can see a lot of AI employees just hanging around doing nothing. Unfortunately, AI's problems don't just exist at the bottom. AI's state installed management is subservient to the political class that put it there. Hence we get all kinds of dubious non revenue pax filling up the premium seats, not to mention dubious aircraft and equipment purchases. Finally, to make up for its poor reputation, AI under prices its competitors, thus not only hurting itself, but also the entire aviation market. When AI is flush with free cash -as it is now, AI kind of stumbles along for a while. In a few years however, when money becomes tight, its service starts falling apart. Given that there have not been any fundamental reforms at AI, we can expect this same sad story to repeat itself in a few years from now.

The bottom line is that AI is not a financially viable company.


User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7153 times:

Not till they pass an IOSA Safety Audit...


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlinegolfradio From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 748 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7101 times:

Quoting Slawko (Reply 6):
Not till they pass an IOSA Safety Audit...

And do you know for a fact that they have not?

Air India


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7096 times:

Quoting Slawko (Reply 6):
Not till they pass an IOSA Safety Audit...

Air India was one of the first 10 airlines in the world to be IOSA certified in 2004, and it has been continuously certified since then. AI is also ISAGO certified since 2010. They are the only airline in India to be ISAGO certified.

[Edited 2013-01-24 10:31:24]


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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2158 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6885 times:

The fish stinks from the head. That being said, alliances are desperate to get a foothold in India. Conflict of interest will always be the name of the game in this dirty political back-and-forth and all I can do is shake my head in response.

Regardless of outcome, AI has been exposed in this messy situation, and it is an embarrassment to them, the GOI and the entire Indian nation, which will take a long time to erase.



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User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5073 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5722 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 9):
AI has been exposed in this messy situation, and it is an embarrassment to them, the GOI and the entire Indian nation, which will take a long time to erase.

= "The entire Indian nation" seems a tad dramatic no  ?

Saludos,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlinegoacom From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5174 times:

Air India ranked the third most unsafe airline in the world by Jet Airliner Crash Data Evaluation Center (JACDEC).
http://www.aerointernational.de/serv...ro-0213-Sicherheitranking-2012.pdf


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2158 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5104 times:

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 10):
= "The entire Indian nation" seems a tad dramatic no  ?

You know me too well  

I haven't told you my Mum's summer experience on AI which has led me to ban the airline off my list for good.

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 11):
Oh, you can ignore that......he's just another over-informed a.nutter....  

LOL.

[Edited 2013-01-25 09:17:44]


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User currently offline9w748capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 544 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5059 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 14):
Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 10):
= "The entire Indian nation" seems a tad dramatic no  ?

You know me too well  

I haven't told you my Mum's summer experience on AI which has led me to ban the airline off my list for good.

Well for the sake o fairness AI does have a one or two tangible qualities left (maybe just one?) - you can still sweet talk them into a little higher baggage allowance if you're on an int'l - domestic connection. Not so on 9W or 6E, they are draconian about it all of a sudden (and why not, seeing that's thousands of extra rupees they stand to make). All it took was a "can i speak to your supervisor" and a "oh you're carrying medicines for the himalayas? ok just pay for 5 kilos". Yes ma'am!


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3092 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5006 times:

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 15):
Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 14):Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 10):
= "The entire Indian nation" seems a tad dramatic no ?

You know me too well

I haven't told you my Mum's summer experience on AI which has led me to ban the airline off my list for good.
Well for the sake o fairness AI does have a one or two tangible qualities left (maybe just one?) - you can still sweet talk them into a little higher baggage allowance if you're on an int'l - domestic connection. Not so on 9W or 6E, they are draconian about it all of a sudden (and why not, seeing that's thousands of extra rupees they stand to make). All it took was a "can i speak to your supervisor" and a "oh you're carrying medicines for the himalayas? ok just pay for 5 kilos". Yes ma'am!

Fact is, every airline out there in the world has good points and bad points.....even AI, as you point out, still have some good things (although fast diminishing) left about them......problem is, most of the armchair critics on this forum hook onto whatever is bad at a given point of time and jump on the bandwagon of critics as though they've all experienced AI firsthand.....makes you wonder about the quality of comments on the whole, on this forum.....


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2158 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4939 times:

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 16):
Fact is, every airline out there in the world has good points and bad points.....even AI, as you point out, still have some good things (although fast diminishing) left about them......problem is, most of the armchair critics on this forum hook onto whatever is bad at a given point of time and jump on the bandwagon of critics as though they've all experienced AI firsthand.....makes you wonder about the quality of comments on the whole, on this forum.....

My family and I have been giving business to Air India now for decades, and have experienced an unacceptable level of grievances to substantiate the way we feel about them and how they manage and operate the airline.

When my Mom, a long-time Flying Returns member and frequent PREMIUM class traveler, was stranded in Chicago last summer and had to pay a full-fare, one-way walk-up out of pocket to get back home, thanks to AI and the pilot strikes (which may happen again soon FYI seeing that they haven't been paid in 6 months), we knew it was time to pull the plug.

The worst part is, her correspondence with AI was egregious. AI even responded to her, via e-mail, saying, "We still would like to encourage you to enroll in our Flying Returns Programme." Didn't even bother to look up her profile to see that she's been a life long member.

Do you seriously treat your elites that way? Never have I ever seen such a sheer lack of professionalism, and such an intolerable level of laziness, in my years of dealing with the airline industry. No airline with that kind of reputation deserves to step foot near the Star Alliance HQ.

I particularly love it when AI apologists on these forums accuse me of being an armchair critic. It makes me LOL.



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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2158 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4924 times:

Quoting golfradio (Reply 17):
I think some of the relentless bashers have to take a deep breath and let a couple of AI threads slide without their rants.

The bashing happens because it's perfectly justified and frankly, disgusting that AI couldn't make the deadline when plenty of other carriers have. What a waste.



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4871 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 18):
When my Mom, a long-time Flying Returns member and frequent PREMIUM class traveler, was stranded in Chicago last summer and had to pay a full-fare, one-way walk-up out of pocket to get back home, thanks to AI and the pilot strikes (which may happen again soon FYI seeing that they haven't been paid in 6 months), we knew it was time to pull the plug.

Well, that's very strange, considering that the USA Head Office relaxed all endorsement restrictions during the pilot strike. There is no reason your mother shouldn't have been rebooked onto another carrier. Sounds like you got a terrible agent, but the policies AI put in place during the strike were no different than what LH implemented last year during their strike.

As for upcoming strikes, none are expected, thanks to this:



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User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 1726 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4856 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 19):
AI couldn't make the deadline when plenty of other carriers have. What a waste.

There is nothing wrong if you don't like a airline and never willing to use it in future. I personally never use AI. But if LH sponsored AI into *A, is it not LH's responsibility to help AI with project management. If AI didn't fund the project then AI can be blamed. Blindsiding your own invitee on last day doesn't sound very professional.

It is possible *A never intended to bring AI in *A, but LH was trying to benefit by getting more slots/seats/380 into India. Of course, everything is fair in business.

Now EY is courting Jet Airways, means Jet Airways will be part of SkyTeam. BA is courting IndiGo, one world has a Indian partner, that leaves only AI for *A.


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3092 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4774 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 18):
I particularly love it when AI apologists on these forums accuse me of being an armchair critic. It makes me LOL.

Ok, I've obviously offended you, without intending to do so.....my response to you ended in Reply #11 above.....what I wrote in Reply #16 was not aimed at you.....you've obviously had personal experiences with AI....so, my apologies if my comments came across as a personal attack on you.....

My comments were aimed at those who probably won't even recognise an AI plane if it was in front of them, and probably can't locate India on a world map, but still jump at every opportunity to rant about AI and link their criticism to the rest of the Indian nation........

[Edited 2013-01-25 12:36:24]

User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2158 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4732 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 20):
As for upcoming strikes, none are expected, thanks to this:

Ahh, ok. Thank you. My dad is traveling to DEL in a few weeks and as recently as last night, was recommended by an internal contact within AI to not fly on any of the nonstops due to this.

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 21):
But if LH sponsored AI into *A, is it not LH's responsibility to help AI with project management. If AI didn't fund the project then AI can be blamed. Blindsiding your own invitee on last day doesn't sound very professional.

This is where the facts always seem to get muddled. It just baffles me that despite all of the technological progress India has made over the past few decades, the airline was still incapable of meeting a deadline within an extremely generous and feasible time frame, whereas other airlines from lesser-developed countries ridden with far more political strife have been able to do so.

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 21):
It is possible *A never intended to bring AI in *A, but LH was trying to benefit by getting more slots/seats/380 into India. Of course, everything is fair in business.

Obviously there are some sort of indirect selfish intentions on both parts, but it was never lopsided in favor of one over the other. Moreover, Germany and India have long-standing relations and Lufthansa has played a CRITICAL role in helping India connect to the rest of the world. AI owed them full compliance. There were huge stakes at play here with unfathomable benefits to reap, and I doubt the Germans were blindsided by any sort of cultural misunderstandings which arose. It was squandered completely and hugely, hugely upsetting.

Ultimately, Germany simply has a low tolerance for leniency and corruption and that is what sank the ship. I am not willing to believe an ounce of what AI, nor the GOI, claims as mud-slinging on Lufthansa's part here. But, as I mentioned earlier, one side is inevitably bound to concede to the other but that doesn't wipe away the lingering embarrassment from all of this. I may turn the other cheek, but as I mentioned previously, I'll continue to say the fish stinks from the head.

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 22):
Ok, I've obviously offended you, without intending to do so.....my response to you ended in Reply #11 above.....what I wrote in Reply #16 was not aimed at you.....you've obviously had personal experiences with AI....so, my apologies if my comments came across as a personal attack on you.....

Don't worry, your comments were not offensive and I was not insulted. Thank you for the apology   I understand people are quick to jump on bandwagons here and I agree with some of the points you've raised. I also tend to be a bit dramatic sometimes with my posts which may lead people to believe I'm just trying to prove a point, which I am not.

Cheers, Happy Friday.



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User currently offlinegolfradio From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 748 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4656 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 23):
This is where the facts always seem to get muddled. It just baffles me that despite all of the technological progress India has made over the past few decades, the airline was still incapable of meeting a deadline within an extremely generous and feasible time frame, whereas other airlines from lesser-developed countries ridden with far more political strife have been able to do so.

I speak from personal experience from when I was employed by the biggest IT consultancy in India and worked many days at the Kalina OPS center. I was eventually pulled off many projects when there was no progress made to freeze the design.
Decisions in AI are not made by employees, they are made by the bureaucrats. You can't imagine how much of CYA has to be peformed by the employees to not get their @$$ chewed when they make a decision that was not approved by the babus, signed on triplicate and rubber stamped at least 5 desks. You are free to blame the airline but I choose to make a distinction between some of the professional employees at AI and the bureaucrats who sit on top of them.

Secondly you underestimate complexity of merging two incredibly divergent, poorly implemented systems. AI and IC merger should have never happened. The fact that AI finally managed to get the systems integrated is huge deal, given the environment they have to work in.


User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 1726 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4640 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 23):
I am not willing to believe an ounce of what AI, nor the GOI, claims as mud-slinging on Lufthansa's part here.

I completely respect your opinion, but there is a hypothetical possibility *A tried to milk AI/GOI to get better foothold in India at the same time trying to recruit 9W. If AI/GOI agreed to parallel process, end result would have been 9W in *A and AI gets the shaft.


User currently offlinehohd From United States of America, joined May 2008, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4632 times:

I think the time has come for Star to take AI. AI now is as much as ready as many of the other airlines which have gotten into various alliances. It would be a big benefit, especially for LH to have AI as a partner. It may hurt UA, since AI will be their direct competitor on EWR-BOM route, UA will still get benefits to sell tickets to other major cities in India neutralizing EK and other Middle East carriers.

User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2158 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4579 times:

Quoting golfradio (Reply 24):
Decisions in AI are not made by employees, they are made by the bureaucrats. You can't imagine how much of CYA has to be peformed by the employees to not get their @$$ chewed when they make a decision that was not approved by the babus, signed on triplicate and rubber stamped at least 5 desks. You are free to blame the airline but I choose to make a distinction between some of the professional employees at AI and the bureaucrats who sit on top of them.


Look, I don't need a lecture on how bureaucracy in AI exists, extending to the involvement of the GOI. I'm pretty well versed in how awful the whole situation is and I really don't give a damn.

Point blank, if India, nor its state-owned airlines, can't elevate themselves to meet global precedent set by Star Alliance, then they shouldn't be allowed to join, period. I am not one for allowing barriers to be lowered just to accommodate the ineptitude of an organization, nor its overseeing entity, which clearly doesn't have its act together and perpetuates its self-destructive enabling behavior time after time again.

Quoting golfradio (Reply 24):
Secondly you underestimate complexity of merging two incredibly divergent, poorly implemented systems. AI and IC merger should have never happened. The fact that AI finally managed to get the systems integrated is huge deal, given the environment they have to work in.


Trust me, I work in Systems Integration. The AI-IC merger issues extend beyond platform: there were also MAJOR HR-related issues and bad blood clouding the entire process. Five years later, issues related to pay, allowances, seniority, etc. have YET to be resolved.

What is your point, anyway??? If anything, this example only further substantiates that AI's instability would be toxic to ANY global alliance.



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25 aeroblogger : You make Star Alliance sound like it's some group of absolutely perfect airlines. It's not. *You won't find anybody raving about how great service is
26 goacom : Aeroblogger, how much is AI paying you to be their apologist? Those of us who have traveled on AI know how poorly AI treats is customers. The fact tha
27 aeroblogger : lol. There is no way in hell an organization as poorly run as AI could be organized enough to go paying people to be their apologist... Marketshare i
28 VTORD : I travel to BDQ once a year and transit through BOM which takes me anything from 4 to 7.5 hours of layover each leg and the transit process is not exa
29 usflyer msp : As has been said many times, the problem with AI is not in the air. Their inflight service is pretty good. Their problem is their horrible service on
30 aeroblogger : Correct. Even IrishAyes' complain is about ground services. And AI definitely needs to improve on that. From IRROPS handling to the atrocious lounge
31 YYCspotter : though I don't doubt it, i wouldn't be trusting a site that calls GOL the 4th most unsafe...
32 IrishAyes : Did I ever say it was? Every major global alliance is comprised of network carriers that are struggling internally. Should this mean that AI's inabil
33 aeroblogger : Why don't you doubt it? AI has passed IOSA audits since '04 and ISAGO audits since '10. That wouldn't have happened if there were safety issues...
34 rwy04lga : Perhaps you don't know, with only 7 posts....DL FA's aren't allowed to assist with the overhead bins as they risk injury for which they aren't insure
35 DTW2HYD : That explains. I always wondered why they don't help even disabled and senior citizens. DL must be saving millions on this exclusion. It would be nic
36 usflyer msp : Whoa, nobody said AI did not have issues. All we said was AI's inflight service is pretty good but their ground service is crap. That said, the fact
37 Post contains images VTORD : Who would have thought?? I am certainly not as much in the know how as some of you folks here....Thanks...Now I'll leave it off my reviews on skytrax
38 Post contains links and images lightsaber : Is there any real news? As far as I know, AI hasn't formally filed with *A to join as the last application has lapsed. Does AI even have a sponsor? Th
39 aeroblogger : TK is always an open option... Pretty much nothing about AI has changed.. I think the difference is if this 9W-EY deal goes through, *A will have no
40 goacom : You just explained the fundamental issue with AI. It is managed by government bureaucrats whose interests do not necessarily match that of a normal a
41 Post contains images IrishAyes : Yes, but the tone of the responses made it seems as though I was only basing my statements off of ground services (see below post from aeroblogger) w
42 Post contains images lightsaber : Hmmm... With some noise of a warming between India and Turkey (as far as air service), you have a point... If that is a big enough point, I agree. Ho
43 infinit : The only way AI is going to clean up its act, and clean it up enough to join StarA, is if it is privatised. This can only happen if its stakeholders (
44 Post contains images aeroblogger : The issue with the product is ground services. HR and management issues plague the airline definitely, but only affect the customer-facing product si
45 VIDP : There is no contigency plan. As per last directive issued by Ministry of Civil Aviation Goverment will not give into blackmail by any of the pilots u
46 DTW2HYD : It will never be privatized. Even if Indian Air Force takes over VVIP transportation, there are thousands of VIPs who prefer having a national airlin
47 lightsaber : That is why AI must be privatized. Having those seats go for free is killing AI. Lightsaber
48 IrishAyes : Again, standard AI apologist defense mechanism to point outwardly to mask its own failures. Mid month, 6 months, no months....it doesn't matter. AI p
49 Post contains links aeroblogger : Neither have 9W pilots... If the argument is that 9W should join *A instead of AI because pilots get paid, the argument is flat out wrong. 9W pilots
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