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JetBlue To Launch ORD/PHL/BWI-SJU?  
User currently offlinejetbluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2978 posts, RR: 14
Posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7986 times:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-america-and-the-caribbean-381426/

From John Checketts, JetBlue director of route planning (aka the guy who actually makes decisions regarding the things we speculate about):

"Other US cities that could possibly benefit from direct connections to the Caribbean include Chicago, Philadelphia and Baltimore, says Checketts, as he points out the success JetBlue has had with its flights to San Juan from Washington DC and Hartford."

"JetBlue is aiming to add more islands in the Caribbean to its network and is not ruling out launching flights to new Latin American destinations like Brazil and Peru"

"In Latin America, the carrier is eyeing flights to destinations in Peru, Panama, Guatemala and Brazil. Checketts says there are "two or three" destinations in Brazil that the airline could fly to from Fort Lauderdale with its Airbus A320s."

These are much more specific indications of where B6 is headed next rather than Barger's boilerplate "Boston and Latin America" comments.

JetBluefan1

[Edited 2013-01-24 20:22:21]


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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32699 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7918 times:

Quoting jetbluefan1 (Thread starter):
"In Latin America, the carrier is eyeing flights to destinations in Peru, Panama, Guatemala and Brazil. Checketts says there are "two or three" destinations in Brazil that the airline could fly to from Fort Lauderdale with its Airbus A320s."

Let this also put the rest the nonsense about JetBlue entering SJU-South America. If JetBlue develops South America, or more of Central America, it's coming from FLL - whether Lima, Panama City or Belem.



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User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1771 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7654 times:

....still waiting for them to look at opportunities north of the border  

User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3185 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7625 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 1):
If JetBlue develops South America, or more of Central America, it's coming from FLL

Isn't FLL pretty full already with NK, B6 & WN? How much more can any one carrier add before FLL bursts at the seams?

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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3433 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7366 times:

mah, do us a favor and don't make expertise predictions regarding topics in which you are not an expert.

You have no idea what b6 has planned for sju.

The only thing we do know is that AA left it wide open and B6 has filled in...with stated intention to continue to grow the city.

That may mean a lot of things


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7152 times:
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Quoting Noise (Reply 2):

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User currently offlineripcordd From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1159 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7147 times:

AA left junk low yield wide open thats it. B6 can make money on that right now

User currently offlineinfiniti329 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7143 times:

Can B6 compete with WN/FL on the BWI-SJU?? Beginning in spring some BWI-SJU will be WN metal

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16858 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7116 times:

When are they going to bring back the 2nd daily EWR-SJU?


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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17420 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7076 times:

ORD fares are terrible--just price it out on any website and it's consistently around $300rt all in or less for essentially a transcon flight. B6 does not do well in ORD either, so while they could try ORDSJU, it probably would not last long. PHL and BWI would be slightly better, but I don't think the market is big enough for another carrier, nor can fares be low enough to stimulate traffic and cover costs.

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 7):
Can B6 compete with WN/FL on the BWI-SJU?? Beginning in spring some BWI-SJU will be WN metal

I don't think WN stands a chance in SJU. B6 is like the AS of the East Coast--if they set their mind to something they can push WN pretty easily.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 4):
The only thing we do know is that AA left it wide open and B6 has filled in...

B6 has only partially filled AA's shoes in SJU, and it's not like there's loads of opportunity in SJU.



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User currently offlinejayunited From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 918 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7075 times:

With UA leaving the ORD-SJU market and AA cutting their frequencies to 1 daily and 2 on saturday, the Chicago market could use another carrier on this route. Although the expense of operating this route has driven the legacy carriers away for the most part I think JetBlue or even Southwest could enter this market and make it work with their single class high capacity layout. The only problem I see JetBlue running into here at ORD is available gate space and one this that is for sure is AA, DL, UA or US is not giving up any gate space to JetBlue or any other carrier that want to expand here at O'Hare.

User currently onlinesdoyon From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7070 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 9):
I don't think WN stands a chance in SJU. B6 is like the AS of the East Coast--if they set their mind to something they can push WN pretty easily.

I think the issue for B6 here is BWI. Southwest may currently be lousy on the SJU side of the ops, but they are force to be reckoned with at BWI. I have a feeling that if B6 were to start BWI-SJU, WN would go ballistic.


User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6993 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 9):
PHL and BWI would be slightly better, but I don't think the market is big enough for another carrier, nor can fares be low enough to stimulate traffic and cover costs.
Quoting STT757 (Reply 8):
When are they going to bring back the 2nd daily EWR-SJU?

I would have thought B6 would venture PHL-FLL before PHL-SJU and maybe just increase frequency like 2x daily on EWR-SJU.

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 11):
Southwest may currently be lousy on the SJU side of the ops, but they are force to be reckoned with at BWI.

I'm not sure about them going ballistic to protect it like that esp with the route being so long. While Southwest is huge there with essentially a hub, it's more a volume carrier for the DC region. It still doesn't have routes over 900 miles BWI-MSP and BWI-SFO, two key routes to major business markets, and it'd rather build volume with low fares on one-stops, e.g. $100 WGA to MSP with a one stop. It's still not like a fortress hub in a smaller region like US at CLT.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16858 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6953 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 9):
B6 has only partially filled AA's shoes in SJU, and it's not like there's loads of opportunity in SJU.

I have to agree, speaking to friends who are from Puerto Rico but living and working in the US right now it seems like the economy down there is much worse than what we're experiencing up here. Economically the Continental US has a cold and Puerto Rico has pneumonia. I don't think air travel to SJU is ever going to be anywhere near what it was in the Nineties. I think B6 might find a couple more opportunities, like PHL or BWI, but I think they're refocusing on FLL long term. Who knows what's going to happen with NK from day to day, so B6 is in a good position to become the lead carrier to the Caribbean and Central/South America from FLL.



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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6809 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 9):
I don't think WN stands a chance in SJU. B6 is like the AS of the East Coast--if they set their mind to something they can push WN pretty easily.

And yet WN does well on the west coast competing against AS.....


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17420 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6765 times:

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 11):

I think the issue for B6 here is BWI. Southwest may currently be lousy on the SJU side of the ops, but they are force to be reckoned with at BWI. I have a feeling that if B6 were to start BWI-SJU, WN would go ballistic.

SJU markets are mostly local, with zero loyalty, so they'll take whoever is cheapest. I don't doubt WN would protect its turft in BWI, but ultimately the lowest cost producer in the market is going to win out, as long as it has a high pain tolerance.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 14):

And yet WN does well on the west coast competing against AS.....

Not in the NW. They don't even bother with nonstops between SEA/PDX and Southern California. They've completely exited NW shorthaul.



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2862 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6640 times:

Lol, a quick check of the adjectives says it all. They will "definitely" ramp-up Florida-Latin America/Caribbean, whilst they could "possibly" serve the likes of ORD, PHL, and/or BWI from "the Caribbean"; presumably this means their burgeoning SJU focus city. I think many overlook that he spoke of linking additional U.S. cities to the Caribbean, not San Juan or Puerto Rico. SJU's O&D, for better or worse, is only part of the equation. There are now lots of beyond SJU Caribbean options as well, including very popular tourist destinations like PUJ, STT, and SXM. PHL has lots of service to the Caribbean, although I would imagine it's rather expensive given that US has no nonstop competition other than a few Apple/F9 flights mostly filled with package tour folks. AA did fly PHL-SJU alongside US for years; I imagine there must still be room for two carriers in that realm. BWI-Caribbean is served only by FL/WN - markets like SXM and STT are not served by them at all. ORD does have fairly decent nonstop links to the Caribbean, but I bet a lot of Chicagoans will miss the beyond-SJU options when Eagle's hub closes in March. I think all 3 could work, especially if we see even more intra-Caribbean flights come online to offer feed/connectivity on the SJU end. Interesting that they allude to rather competitive SJU-ORD/PHL/BWI routes - with established incumbents - rather than niche routes like SJU-RDU/PVD/HPN. Also, I wonder if we'll see a crew base open at SJU. Any way you look at it, B6 is an exciting carrier to watch!


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User currently onlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3401 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6500 times:

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 12):
I would have thought B6 would venture PHL-FLL before PHL-SJU

WN is on the route with 3-4 flts a day. I'm not saying they won't try but it will face some competition.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 16):
PHL has lots of service to the Caribbean, although I would imagine it's rather expensive given that US has no nonstop competition other than a few Apple/F9 flights mostly filled with package tour folks. AA did fly PHL-SJU alongside US for years; I imagine there must still be room for two carriers in that realm

And US' network to the Caribbean from PHL isn't great, many flts are weekend only or less than daily, only the big destinations are daily. And yes AA did run along side US for a long time so that gives me hope that B6 can do the same as they continue to build SJU.


User currently offlinejetsetter629 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6441 times:

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 17):
And US' network to the Caribbean from PHL isn't great, many flts are weekend only or less than daily, only the big destinations are daily. And yes AA did run along side US for a long time so that gives me hope that B6 can do the same as they continue to build SJU.

US has chosen CLT for it's Caribbean flights to smaller destinations (ANU, SKB, etc). PHL supports daily to MBJ, SJU, PUJ, etc.

I'd like to see B6 fly PHL-SJU to compete with US - their fares are ofter $600+

The flight could be routed BOS-PHL-SJU-PHL-BOS


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6464 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6413 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 1):
Let this also put the rest the nonsense about JetBlue entering SJU-South America. If JetBlue develops South America, or more of Central America, it's coming from FLL - whether Lima, Panama City or Belem.

Why is it nonsense when a forum mwmber states his opinion on a carrier strarting new routes out of MIA/FLL or anything about AA?It Iooks as though those are your private domain?


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32699 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6126 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 4):
mah, do us a favor and don't make expertise predictions regarding topics in which you are not an expert.

You have no idea what b6 has planned for sju.

The only thing we do know is that AA left it wide open and B6 has filled in...with stated intention to continue to grow the city.

That may mean a lot of things

I never claim to be an expert.

The San Juan market is perhaps one of the worst yielding domestic markets. Yields sucks. Really bad. From almost everywhere. There is also no local market to South America outside of Colombia/Venezuela.

It doesn't take an expert to figure out what that means re: JetBlue flying South America-Puerto Rico.

AA had a full fledged hub in San Juan that supported extensive service. There is no gap to fill unless JetBlue wants to operate a 125+ daily flight operation, which makes no sense sans some 19-50 seat props.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17420 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6094 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 21):
AA had a full fledged hub in San Juan that supported extensive service.

And yet next to nothing to Latin America from SJU outside of CCS.



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12981 posts, RR: 100
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5728 times:
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Quoting mah4546 (Reply 1):
If JetBlue develops South America, or more of Central America, it's coming from FLL - whether Lima, Panama City or Belem.

I would think MCO has a decent chance too for B6. FLL would be more ideal, but that will be a question of yield vs. gate availability.

Quoting ripcordd (Reply 6):
AA left junk low yield wide open thats it. B6 can make money on that right now

Why the word "junk?" It is low yield? Ok. But B6 has a much better cost structure than AA. In particular if B6 utilizes A321s. The question is, how much will SJU tolerate B6's baggage policy? By having AA pull off the route, B6 is able to come in with a 'clean slate' on policies.

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User currently offlinecmhsrq From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 990 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5615 times:

What they should do is cancel the TPA-SJU and instead run ORD-SRQ-SJU


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User currently offlineusair330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 822 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4483 times:

PHL-SJU B6 I'll be on the first flight!!! If not working it. Hopefully

25 Post contains images mesaflyguy : I just see one problem there. The slots at EWR. I don't think they'd want to trim any existing capacity in EWR, so unless they could precure the slot
26 B6JFKH81 : ORD-SRQ-SJU would be a little bit of a problem right now as all 3 of those cities do not have B6 MX. SJU needs to have MX in it to really start conne
27 jetbluefan1 : Did B6 manage to gain more slots? BOS-EWR started awhile back and it doesn't look like any Florida flying had to be trimmed. Here is the schedule for
28 jfk777 : Could there be a merger between Spirit and Jetblue on the future primarily because of FLL ? Spirit and JB do the same thing with the same planes, if
29 pvd757 : PVD would probably be better served with seasonal SAT/SUN service to start. There is market and the flow opportunities via SJU are enough to make PVD
30 mah4546 : FLL is Miami. That's globally known, and its a larger market to everywhere in South America than Orlando. No, it can't penetrate markets further sout
31 doulasc : Nice to see PHL and BWI getting other routes other than to BOS. Do you think JB will add PHL/BWI-FLL,MCO,TPA and maybe a flight out west?
32 Flytravel : WN is down to only 1 Southwest departure on PHL-FLL, and lost are the PHL-RDU connections and PHL-PBI is gone from WN metal altogether as well. It is
33 jetbluefan1 : No, it is not. Miami is globally known. Fort Lauderdale simply does not have the same global recognition. I'll give you an example. I live in NYC and
34 bobloblaw : WN carries a lot of traffic between the PacNW and So Cal via OAK. Overall they are the #2 carrier ahead of UAL in the entire market. WN will have no
35 STT757 : They're not going to penetrate La Paz either, doesn't matter where, with their Airbuses. Even a NEO is not going to be able to make it from LPB to th
36 MaverickM11 : There's no SJUBSB market worth havin. All the network carriers carry a lot of traffic between MCO and Europe--it doesn't mean it's a recipe for succe
37 jetbluefan1 : Right. But my point is that SJU is well situated as a connecting point for markets that B6 cannot access from FLL/MCO. I would think that a JFK/BOS/D
38 airliner371 : You realize, no, they are not to little or late... B6 has not even announced plans for the route.
39 MaverickM11 : They're already in DCA, commanding a $50rt premium over BWI, which starts around $259rt all in. That means WN is getting $105 each way for a four hou
40 airliner371 : I dont know what logic you are using, but WN is getting what they charge. And your logic that DCA and BWI should be at the same fare level is complet
41 MaverickM11 : Yeah, they're charging $105 each way, and that is what they are getting. Mind you they've dropped things of similar stage length like ABQMCO where th
42 airliner371 : I dont know what dates you are looking at but the average I see is $195.
43 MaverickM11 : Any online metasearch engine like Kayak. FL is charging around $2-250rt all in through at least May.
44 mah4546 : That's not the point. It's Miami. That draws people more than Orlando. Further, anybody in Latin America knows very well where Ft. Lauderdale is, and
45 airliner371 : And they have been in the market for years, WN hasn't even started the route yet. None of your argument works, stop trying to make it work.
46 MaverickM11 : What makes you think WN is just going to waltz right in and command a nearly 70+% premium over FL from one day to the next? Because that has never ha
47 airliner371 : Your puting words in my mouth because I didn't put percents anywhere. Abd you though the average fare was $105 when it was nearly double.
48 Post contains images mesaflyguy : Enter NEOs Let's just say that both airlines are doing what works for them, otherwise they probably wouldn't be doing it. Let's try to keep this civi
49 mah4546 : No. He said the average round-trip was $259 all-in. When you subtract taxes that go to the government (about $40 in this fare), he said Southest gets
50 jonathanxxxx : Hold on, I thought B6 was expanding FLL. The only recent cut I remember is CLT. They have made up for it though with the addition of MDE, KIN, BOG an
51 airliner371 : $259-$40 does not equal $105. The numbers are mixed up somewhere, none the less, agree to disagree.
52 mah4546 : Let's agree to disagree on math? $259-40=219 (round trip) 219/2 = $108.50 (one way), so just a little more than $105 each way. Simple math, nothing m
53 airliner371 : Didn't know he meant round trip, anyway the average fare is $195 one-way. Lets agree to disagree was meant to stop this conversation nicely.
54 jetbluefan1 : That's what I meant. B6 is doing a good job of dismantling NK's FLL hub. I'm not sure why NK can't compete with B6, but I would think the drastic dif
55 mah4546 : Well, no, let's not, because again, math. The average round-trip fare is $259 including taxes. So, including taxes, the average one way is $129.50. T
56 airliner371 : Thats not the average round trip fare! The average roundtrip is $390.
57 FreshSide3 : Camden, NJ, which has a large Puerto Rican contingent, is right in the middle between the PHL and EWR airports. Many could use either/or.
58 jfklganyc : That is a whole lot closer to PHL
59 MaverickM11 : Where do you find that?
60 STT757 : Camden is about 10 miles from PHL and 90 miles from EWR. Perhaps you were thinking of Trenton which also has a large Puerto Rican population and is h
61 southwest737500 : I have to say i cant believe that they even consider PHL when they haven't even started service. Then to add to it look at all the capacity US has( A3
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