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The Largest Foreign Airlines Flying Into AU/NZ?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Posted (1 year 6 months 20 hours ago) and read 5224 times:

For Australia I would say 1) Singapore Airlines 2) Air New Zealand 3) Emirates. For New Zealand I guess it's Qantas then Emirates?

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User currently offlineskyhawkmatthew From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 19 hours ago) and read 5064 times:

If you want to be picky, Qantas probably doesn't rank for New Zealand as just about all the trans-Tasman ops are by Jetconnect, a NZ-based company operating ZK-reg 737s in Qantas colours  

Come to think of it, with the amount of flights they operate, that quite possibly means that the biggest 'foreign' carrier operating into Australia might well be 'Qantas' itself!

[Edited 2013-01-25 03:06:36]


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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2948 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 18 hours ago) and read 4894 times:

Quoting skyhawkmatthew (Reply 1):

I've always figured that the SAM effectively means that there are no foreign carriers in the internal Australia/NZ market.

Ignoring NZ, you're correct by frequency -- SQ (15-16 daily flights) followed by EK (11-12 daily flights) and CX (10-11 daily flights).

I can't be bothered to calculate by capacity, but EK probably nudges SQ out (given that the smallest planes they fly here are pretty similar in capacity to SQ's largest).

You're right about NZ as well -- EK (4 daily flights) followed by SQ (3 daily flights).


User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 677 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 16 hours ago) and read 4703 times:

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
For Australia I would say 1) Singapore Airlines 2) Air New Zealand 3) Emirates. For New Zealand I guess it's Qantas then Emirates?


The following may be of interest... (Australian figures)

Chart III - International Passengers by Major Airlines - Year ended June
Top 10 in 2012

QF: 18.1%
SQ: 9.1%
EK: 8.2%
NZ: 8.2%
JQ 8.1%
DJ: 7.6%
CX: 5.2%
MH: 3.9%
TG: 3.3%
D7: 2.4%
Others: 25.9%

Source:
Australian Government - Department of Infrastructure and Transport
Bureau of Infrastructure, Transport and Regional Economics (BITRE)
International Airline Activity—Annual Publications
2011-2012


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7155 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 12 hours ago) and read 4463 times:

Into AKL
EK 3 a day A388/A388.77W
SQ 2 a day 77W/77E
CX 2 a day 343
FJ 11 a week 744/73G/73H
CZ Daily 332
CI Daily 333
KE Daily 744/77E - drops to 4 a week low season
LA 6 a week 343
MH 6 a week 77E
TG 4 a week 77E


User currently offlinerlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1075 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 12 hours ago) and read 4408 times:

Would not United Airlines be the Largest airline to fly to AU/NZ?


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User currently offlineZKOKQ From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 6 hours ago) and read 4159 times:

Quoting rlwynn (Reply 5):

United?

They wouldn't compare to emirates and SQ


User currently onlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 4 hours ago) and read 4021 times:

Quoting rlwynn (Reply 5):
Would not United Airlines be the Largest airline to fly to AU/NZ?

They haven't served NZ since they pulled out in 2002


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 3 hours ago) and read 3968 times:

Quoting ZKOKQ (Reply 6):
Quoting rlwynn (Reply 5):


United?

They wouldn't compare to emirates and SQ

What he meant was the airline size. UA is definitely the largest. But we are talking about capacity/frequency flying into Australia/New Zealand.

So what happened to UA's proposed Houston-Auckland? Will they start again some day?


User currently onlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 2 hours ago) and read 3860 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 8):

So what happened to UA's proposed Houston-Auckland? Will they start again some day?

It was a CO proposed route, it got axed as part of the merger.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 1 hour ago) and read 3767 times:

I thought QF is still the largest foreign airline operating into New Zealand? I thought they have many flights to New Zealand still. They still have domestic flights I guess? Wonder if LAX-AKL will come back (QF is cutting soooooooooooooooooooooooo many international routes).

Quoting zkncj (Reply 9):
It was a CO proposed route, it got axed as part of the merger.

Why? Will it come back?

I remember UA was planning to another B 747-400 daily flight between LAX and AKL in addition to the daily B 747-400 prior to 9.11


User currently onlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months ago) and read 3700 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 10):
I thought QF is still the largest foreign airline operating into New Zealand? I thought they have many flights to New Zealand still. They still have domestic flights I guess? Wonder if LAX-AKL will come back (QF is cutting soooooooooooooooooooooooo many international routes).

Qantas its self only operates SYD-CHC & SYD-ZQN, all other Tasman services as mentioned above are Jet Connect. Domestic was handed over to Jetstar in 2009


User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3610 times:

Quoting rlwynn (Reply 5):
Would not United Airlines be the Largest airline to fly to AU/NZ?

Because they only fly into Sydney and Melbourne.


User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3594 times:

I think SQ, EK, CX, NZ, MH all serve all the mainland capitals with up to 3 and 4 flights a day.

User currently onlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3494 times:

If you where to look at it by Intentional airports served into Aussie, you would find NZ would be come out top.

Current Austrian City's with direct Air New Zealand services
PER (AKL)
ADL (AKL)
MEL (AKL,WLG,CHC,ZQN)
SYD (AKL,ROT,WLG,CHC,ZQN)
OOL (AKL,CHC)
BNE (AKL,WLG,CHC,ZQN)
MCY (AKL)
CNS (AKL)
NLK (AKL,SYD,BNE)


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3326 times:

So QF doesn't even fly SYD-AKL or MEL-AKL? What a shame.....

They used to


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4801 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3239 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 15):
So QF doesn't even fly SYD-AKL or MEL-AKL? What a shame.....

They used to

They do under their wholly owned subsidiary Jetconnect. Which operates planes painted in QF colours with QF uniforms etc just registered in New Zealand with New Zealand based crew. The flight numbers are QF also. People are just nit-picking on here to say its not QF.



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2948 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2989 times:

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 13):
I think SQ, EK, CX, NZ, MH all serve all the mainland capitals with up to 3 and 4 flights a day.

None of them serve DRW (or CBR for that matter).

Quoting United Airline (Reply 15):
So QF doesn't even fly SYD-AKL or MEL-AKL? What a shame.....

They used to

QF does fly these flights (and all other Tasman flights), it's just under a (wholly owned) subsidiary. No different to SYD-CBR being largely operated by Eastern (also a wholly owned subsidiary).


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7155 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2970 times:

I don't consider QF (on nz regos) or NZ as 'foreign' carriers to either Australia or New Zealand. When either airline can fly from any point in either country to any other point within those countries thay are effectively local aircraft.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 10):
Why? Will it come back?

I recall they blamed WN wanting international flights ex Hobby, but ultimately I think they had second thoughts. The route was likely not as profitable as the sending the 787 elsewhere.


User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 960 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2592 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 17):
No different to SYD-CBR being largely operated by Eastern (also a wholly owned subsidiary).

I thought Sunstate ran the Q400s SYD-CBR. I thought Jetconnect was offshore cost shifting (ie. lower wage rates for the Kiwis)?


User currently offlineHawaiianBird From Germany, joined Jan 2013, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2256 times:
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Quoting zkncj (Reply 14):
Current Austrian City's with direct Air New Zealand services
PER (AKL)
ADL (AKL)
MEL (AKL,WLG,CHC,ZQN)
SYD (AKL,ROT,WLG,CHC,ZQN)
OOL (AKL,CHC)
BNE (AKL,WLG,CHC,ZQN)
MCY (AKL)
CNS (AKL)
NLK (AKL,SYD,BNE)

I am aware that it is just a typo, but I am afraid that none of these cities are located in Austria!  


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9490 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2202 times:

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 12):
Quoting rlwynn (Reply 5):
Would not United Airlines be the Largest airline to fly to AU/NZ?

Because they only fly into Sydney and Melbourne.

I think he is being tricky. What is the largest airline that flies into Australia, not which airline has the highest capacity to/from Australia? I think he is technically correct, but he's not answering the question that the original poster implied.



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2948 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 19):
I thought Sunstate ran the Q400s SYD-CBR. I thought Jetconnect was offshore cost shifting (ie. lower wage rates for the Kiwis)?

It used to be a bit of both, but it's all Eastern now (and has been for a few years). And yes, both examples are just ways to avoid mainline's very high cost base.


User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1896 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 17):
None of them serve DRW (or CBR for that matter).

Ahhhhhhh Yes you are right I forgot DRW and CBR   


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3135 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1686 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 4):
Into AKL
EK 3 a day A388/A388.77W
SQ 2 a day 77W/77E
CX 2 a day 343
FJ 11 a week 744/73G/73H
CZ Daily 332
CI Daily 333
KE Daily 744/77E - drops to 4 a week low season
LA 6 a week 343
MH 6 a week 77E
TG 4 a week 77E

And non-Australasian flights into CHC...
EK 1 x daily 77W
SQ 1 x daily 772
FJ 1 x weekly 73W

Quoting QF175 (Reply 3):
(Australian figures)

Chart III - International Passengers by Major Airlines - Year ended June
Top 10 in 2012

QF: 18.1%
SQ: 9.1%
EK: 8.2%
NZ: 8.2%
JQ 8.1%
DJ: 7.6%
CX: 5.2%
MH: 3.9%
TG: 3.3%
D7: 2.4%
Others: 25.9%

Interesting that the combined QF/JQ figure is 26.2% vs the combined NZ/DJ figure of 15.8%.



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