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DL Restarting ATL-ONT  
User currently offlinekkephart13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6473 times:

Service restarts 6/10 with a daily 738. Good to see ONT getting more service after losing so much.

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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4279 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6355 times:

Wow...some good news for ONT for once and an airport that desperately needs it too.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5433 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6320 times:

Is this just a seasonal (summer) re-start or is it permanent? In any case, I too am happy to see something positive happening at ONT for a change!

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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5954 times:

Awesome! They already fly to the city seems like a good move even if its only worth it seasonally

User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5955 times:
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Quoting kkephart13 (Thread starter):
Service restarts 6/10 with a daily 738.

This was a popular route at one time. During the mid 80s, Eastern had a SAN-ONT-ATL flight
on a 757. About an hour after that flight landed in ONT from SAN, Delta stopped in ONT from
SAN with a 762. That flight also continued to ATL.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25388 posts, RR: 49
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5906 times:

Filling the flight is not the issue, DL always had decent loads, but instead its a matter of the revenue they can get.
As one can imagine ONT will not drive the same premiums one can generate over at LAX due to the nature of its traffic mix.


Btw - this is not the sole new(resumed) route at ONT this year. SWA brought ONT-RNO back two weeks ago.



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User currently offlinepremobrimo From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 425 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5756 times:

I'm waiting for DL to start MSP-ONT. NW had this route for so long


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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32783 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5717 times:

Seasonal for approximately nine weeks.


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User currently offlineKC135Hydraulics From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5645 times:

Loved the Song 757s a few years ago flying to Ontario. That's the closest commercial airport to me so I use it a lot.

User currently offlinefanoftristars From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1608 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5519 times:

We used to have 757 service SLC-ONT back in the late 90s. now just CRJs  


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User currently offlinefjnovak1 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5486 times:

As recently as 2007 ONT had MD-90 and 737-800's to SLC, I know because I flew on a few.


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User currently offlinesan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5421 times:

In addition, ATL-ONT had a daily 767-300 on the route until about 2005. Either way, good news for ONT, glad to see it back!


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User currently offlineBeardown91737 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 542 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5373 times:

Well for the few months it lasts, it will be a positive thing to be able to get to Europe, South America, and even Dubai, Lagos, and Johannesburg with just one connection. It also opens up over 100 destinations in the Eastern US which DL just can't service from SLC.

There still is one mainline SLC but I don't know if it is daily. It looks like there will be 2 mainline for summer/fall.

The WN service to RNO is also seasonal and ends mid-March.



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User currently offlinekkephart13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5334 times:

Quoting fanoftristars (Reply 9):
We used to have 757 service SLC-ONT back in the late 90s. now just CRJs

SLC-ONT has 1 738 daily. The other 3 are mixtures of CRJ's.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 7):
Seasonal for approximately nine weeks.

I Saw that, thats the only downside. i was looking at flights from PIT-ONT in October for a family function, and its all PIT-ATL-SLC-ONT. Sucks....


User currently offlineawacsooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1914 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5238 times:

Flew ONT-ATL on a 762 back in March of 05...full red-eye flight. Glad to see some resuscitation of the Inland Empire air traffic

User currently offlineMDW22L31C From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 213 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5186 times:

It would be great see UA re-start ONT-ORD.

User currently offlineKC135Hydraulics From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5151 times:

Ontario really is an excellent alternative to LAX. I still don't understand why it has been dying. Also, ontario's parking lot situation is excellent. They also have a cell phone waiting lot!

User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 681 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5124 times:

Quoting MDW22L31C (Reply 15):
It would be great see UA re-start ONT-ORD.

I wonder if AA would consider it with the E175s? I believe AA used to do it with an 80 or perhaps a fokker.


User currently offlinekkephart13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5081 times:

Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 16):
Ontario really is an excellent alternative to LAX. I still don't understand why it has been dying. Also, ontario's parking lot situation is excellent. They also have a cell phone waiting lot!

Your right with the parking situation, but its killer expensive. The lots across the terminal are like 20+ a day...


User currently offlineKC135Hydraulics From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5044 times:

Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 18):

Yes but long term parking is only $8/ day and it has a shuttle. Better still the wife drops me off and picks me up and that costs $0/day. Ontario simply rocks.


User currently offlinedtwlax From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 795 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4884 times:

Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 16):
Ontario really is an excellent alternative to LAX. I still don't understand why it has been dying. Also, ontario's parking lot situation is excellent. They also have a cell phone waiting lot!

Excellent alternative for people from the Inland Empire. But with LAX and SNA, ONT cannot compete.


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2866 posts, RR: 30
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4671 times:

Wow, I guess DL's ATL-ONT route actually did go [summer] seasonal; rather than getting cut entirely. Hopefully the return of this, and WN's recent addition of seasonal ONT-RNO, are signs that things are starting to get better - or at the very least, not continuing to get worse - in the Inland Empire. In fact, this recent article indeed states that the area is slowly but steadily getting better after its calamitous economic decline from the housing crisis and recession:

http://www.mydesert.com/article/2013...s-economy-slowly-creating-new-jobs

ONT is a beautiful facility, and truly the only existing major commercial airport in Greater Los Angeles that can support much in the way of future growth. Whilst fellow secondary area airport BUR continues its precipitous decline, it seems ONT's fortunes have finally begun to improve. It doesn't seem like AS has any interest in offering ONT-Hawaii service, but I wonder if WN will consider it. I also wonder if Mexicans LCCs, particularly WN's transborder partner Y4, have looked at serving this airport, or if ULCCs like F9 and/or NK might be interested. Hopefully the worst is behind ONT and the future is bright: regardless of who manages/controls the airport!



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User currently offlinekkephart13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4628 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 21):
Wow, I guess DL's ATL-ONT route actually did go [summer] seasonal; rather than getting cut entirely. Hopefully the return of this, and WN's recent addition of seasonal ONT-RNO, are signs that things are starting to get better - or at the very least, not continuing to get worse - in the Inland Empire. In fact, this recent article indeed states that the area is slowly but steadily getting better after its calamitous economic decline from the housing crisis and recession:

Your right. Hopefully they go from seasonal to year round service.

However wasnt there talk at one point that LAWA was going to consolidate everyone over to T-4 and close T-2??


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26495 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2752 times:

On a side note to this subject, I don't get why LAWA gets so much flak for ONT's performance. LAWA has invested millions upon millions and built a really lovely new terminal complex, in the hopes of driving traffic. During the heady 90s and early Aughts, ONT's traffic was doing great. The combination of the severe economic hit the Inland Empire has taken, along with the new realities for airlines in the last 12 years, means that ONT isn't going anywhere from where it is until the economic structure around it changes.

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 4):
This was a popular route at one time. During the mid 80s, Eastern had a SAN-ONT-ATL flight on a 757. About an hour after that flight landed in ONT from SAN, Delta stopped in ONT from
SAN with a 762. That flight also continued to ATL.

DL had 767s on ATL-ONT through into the middle of the last decade, at least. Indeed, they used to use the only jetway at ONT for it when the old terminals were still in use.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
As one can imagine ONT will not drive the same premiums one can generate over at LAX due to the nature of its traffic mix.

Absolutely. Its discount alternative pull from SAN, SNA and BUR, and local traffic that tends to be lower yield.

Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 16):
Ontario really is an excellent alternative to LAX.

For you, perhaps. And it is a lovely airport, that LAWA built, though I miss the stained glass window from the old terminals.

For much of the area, ONT is as isolated or even more isolated than SNA - which is surrounded by wealthy people and a good number of businesses. Most of the higher yield traffic that look at alternatives to LAX will go to SNA, BUR or even SBA.

Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 16):
I still don't understand why it has been dying.

Not enough money in the area to drive yields. And its far.

Quoting dtwlax (Reply 20):
Excellent alternative for people from the Inland Empire. But with LAX and SNA, ONT cannot compete.

Don't forget BUR, which is close to a lot of an area that would consider ONT an alternative to LAX. Far better yield mix at BUR.

Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 22):
However wasnt there talk at one point that LAWA was going to consolidate everyone over to T-4 and close T-2??

That wouldn't make a ton of sense, as LAWA's master plan includes 2 additional terminals if ONT can ever get the traffic. Makes no sense to mothball a perfectly usable building.



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User currently offlinepsa1011 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2712 times:
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Any chance of AS starting ONT-HNL/OGG? DL could codeshare.

25 N1120A : Why, when DL has LAX service?
26 apodino : Both AA and UA have operated the route in the past. Back in 1985 when I was just a kid we went from BOS-ONT on AA via ORD, and I remember getting stu
27 BoeingGuy : So. DL has SEA-HNL service and so does AS. DL has (or did have) SFO-HNL but that didn't stop AS from adding OAK and SJC to Hawaii. ONT is quite a bit
28 Deltal1011man : Delta still has 1 flight between SFO-HNL....think its a 752
29 peanuts : Is it really a "restart"? Maybe just consider it a on/off again seasonal flight? I was on DL ONT-ATL last December.
30 Deltal1011man : pretty much this. It was always seasonal. Of course, I can think of tons of times that routes have gone "seasonal" to never come back, with any airli
31 Beardown91737 : ORD-ONT was 4x 733, or sometimes 3x 733 and 1x 722. I remember this being 5x a day in the mid 1990s (at a time when AA also flew 4-5x and WN 1x to MD
32 olddominion727 : AA flew ONT-JFK w/757 to keep b6 at bay, also DFW-ONT 757 in 93, SJC & ORD with MD80, SMF & OAK with 732 after they bought AirCal.
33 RWA380 : If there were numerous options from ONT, I think people would eventually use them again, but I think it's really a ketch 22. I think if AS had though
34 Post contains images LAXintl : It been tried and failed about 6 times. Way back early 1980s UA tried with its DC-8-70s. Then in the 1990s ATA on L-1011s. Then in 2003 Hawaiian trie
35 BoeingGuy : Yeah, I remember that. I think they tried it in the late 1970s with DC-8-50s also, around the time UA added SJC and OAK-HNL on DC-8-50s. HA couldn't
36 LAXintl : ATA ran 738s. Even with the help of Southwest connections, and tour packages the route flopped for them in a year. I would not underestimate the econo
37 RWA380 : I thought it was on the DC-10's.... Except the 737-800 couldn't do it economically from either field. Last time I took a 738 to Hawaii, we took a big
38 Post contains links LAXintl : 767 Its mentioned in their press release about the added ONT-LAS tag. http://investor.hawaiianairlines.com...l-newsArticle&ID=378158&highligh
39 BoeingGuy : They can, but apparently AS considered it and made a business decision not to do. I think SNA-Hawaii would be a good route for AS if they had the equ
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