ktachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1729 posts, RR: 2 Posted (3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1966 times:
Now that the Boeing dreamliner has been grounded and the Japanese media reporting that they will probably not fly again during the fiscal year of 2012, what equipment will JAL use to start its HEL flights next month?
If seems that their B772ER and B77W fleets are already stretched out serving routes such as BOS, YVR (only once a week), etc.
Will they pull the B77W from its JKT routes and replace that with a B763ER and use the B77W to start flights to HEL? Or will they start it with a long haul B763ER if possible?
I am pretty certain that NRT-HEL only need one acft to make NRT-HEL-NRT in one day but what will they do?
If they start serving HEL with a B763ER, it will be quite remarkable in that they will serve North America and Europe with a B763ER which sounds pretty rare at least for an Asian airline.
I see. So will they pull another intra-asia B772ER and place it on the Helsinki route? Seems like a capacity upgrade since the B787 only had about 190 seats or so!!!
But I guess the downside is that they do not have the new skysleeper seats on the B772ER fleet.
finnishway From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 187 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1476 times:
Quoting ktachiya (Thread starter): Now that the Boeing dreamliner has been grounded and the Japanese media reporting that they will probably not fly again during the fiscal year of 2012, what equipment will JAL use to start its HEL flights next month?
I highly doubt that 787 would be grounded the whole year. I actually believe they fly again in a month.
If 787 would be grounded for a long time, they would have to reduce their routes. Neither ANA or JAL has so many compensatory planes. Boeing can't take risk that they wouldn't be able to deliver new dreamliners, so they are probably thinking solutions all the time with many other companies.
If JAL can't start NRT-HEL with B787 then it will most likely be B777.
ktachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1729 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1413 times:
Quoting finnishway (Reply 3):
I highly doubt that 787 would be grounded the whole year
Don't mean to be picky, but I was referring to the fiscal year. 2012/4/1-2012/3/31
Unfortunately the HEL route starts in the final month of the winter schedule for 2012 so what I was trying to say was that includes at least one month of when the route would be operating....
If they fly in a month, it would be idealistic but from what it sounds like, the problem doesn't seem like such a simple one. If there is a glitch with the existing birds, they might have to rewire all the currently 50 birds, which would take an insurmountable time.
finnishway From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 187 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1407 times:
Quoting ktachiya (Reply 4): Don't mean to be picky, but I was referring to the fiscal year. 2012/4/1-2012/3/31
Sorry, my bad.
Quoting ktachiya (Reply 4): If they fly in a month, it would be idealistic but from what it sounds like, the problem doesn't seem like such a simple one.
Safety is of course priority number one. Well, they still have about one month, so we can just hope they solve this problem during that time.
Quote: We sincerely apologize to all customers and related parties for the inconvenience and concerns caused by recent issues with the Boeing 787 aircraft. JAL Group has decided to postpone the launch of the direct service to Helsinki planned to start from February 25, 2013 (announced in the press release issued on October 11, 2012) until further notice, due to the suspended operations of the 787 aircraft. Alternative flights will be offered to passengers holding reservations on JL413/414 (Tokyo/Narita=Helsinki).
Passengers with the itineraries departing by the end of May will be contacted by Japan Airlines after February 5, and passengers with the itineraries departing on/after June 1 will be contacted by Japan Airlines at the end of February.
Rgds
So I drive a 4x4. So what?! Tax the a$$ off me for it...oh, you already have... :-(
carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2772 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 741 times:
Quoting finnishway (Reply 6): Route postponed until B787 can return to service.
No surprise at all. So will AY add extra frequencies like last year, if the JL 787 is a no fly?
Quoting ktachiya (Reply 2): So will they pull another intra-asia B772ER
I would think they require crew rests since the NRT-HEL can take up to around 10 hours flight time.
Where are the days when they always had a few 747s lying around.
EK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 3912 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 720 times:
Sad news indeed... I'm beginning to wonder if the A380 grounding was worse than the B787 grounding... Any indication concerning compensation claimed by the B787 operators...?
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4721 posts, RR: 15 Reply 11, posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 516 times:
Quoting ktachiya (Thread starter): seems that their B772ER and B77W fleets are already stretched out serving routes such as BOS, YVR (only once a week), etc.
Yes, I feel so badly for HEL not getting this new service after a lot of hype and build up for a year now. Thank goodness for us in SAN, which was announced at the same time (February 2012), we got our service started late last year and JL has been able to keep the route running through this unfortunate grounding of the 787. (Kudos to JL!)
JL does have a very thinly-stretched long haul fleet right now and I'm very impressed that they have been able to essentially replace 6 (787) a/c as well and quickly as they have. Unfortunately, a route that hadn't been started yet probably was at the bottom of the list for subs and they just couldn't scare up the a/c to op it adequately.
I think we all hope that the "Dreamliner" will be up in the air again soon. Best of luck to all of those desiring to see NRT-HEL operational.
ktachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1729 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 421 times:
Quoting SANFan (Reply 11): I think we all hope that the "Dreamliner" will be up in the air again soon
NH announced yesterday that they might speed up the delivery of some B777 models (wondering if it is the B77W?) but will JL do the same and order additional B77W that never materialized at the time of bankruptcy, or if they will take the B77L as an interim.
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