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Southwest Launches Codeshare With AirTran  
User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1464 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11018 times:

If you are booking a codeshare flight at southwest.com heres the info...
http://www.southwest.com/flight/pop_fareCompare.html?airline=both

If you are booking a codeshare flight at airtran.com heres the info...
https://tickets.airtran.com/FareRules.aspx?fareRuleKeys=BLA0PNRO|B|FL|FO0L||en-US&class=B&paxTypes=ADT&c=2

Based on what I see, you are better off booking an AirTran flight on southwest.com because you get the free bags etc...


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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4611 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10862 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Thread starter):
Based on what I see, you are better off booking an AirTran flight on southwest.com because you get the free bags etc...

That didn't take long for people to figure out. LOL


User currently offlineknope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2978 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10785 times:

Summary of what I've seen so far:

Southwest.com
Atlanta nostops to Fort Myers and Fort Lauderdale operated by AirTran are available on Southwest.com
Connections to those AirTran flights are available in ATL from Southwest' flights from Louisville and Nofolk.

AirTran.com
Southwest flights from Louisville and Norfolk to Atlanta are *only* available as the first leg of connecting flights from SDF and ORF to FLL or RSW. You can't buy just SDF-ATL on AirTran.

Third Party GDS sites
On Travelocity, you can buy SDF-FLL as AirTran, where SDF-ATL is operated by Southwest. This might be the first time you can buy any sort of Southwest flight on a third party GDS site?

Bag Fees
So far it appears if you book as Southwest your bags are free, but if you book as AirTran you pay $25 for bag 1 and $35 for bag 2. ATL-RSW identical flights priced out exactly the same, but AirTran said bag fees, and Soutwhest clearly said bags 1 and 2 are free.

Frequent Flyer
AirTran flights sold as Southwest on southwest.com show earning RR credit.
Because you can't buy just a WN flight alone on airtran.com (like SDF-ATL) I suspect if you book something like SDF-ATL-RSW and RSW-ATL-SDF you earn credit for a round trip flight, just as if it were all FL legs.


User currently offlinejayunited From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 1013 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10769 times:

I think you are correct it would be beneficial for all AirTran customers to book their flights on Southwest's website. Looking at southwest.com you see there are basically no fees for almost any of their services while airtran.com still charges their customers in coach a change fee, a fee for the first and second bag and to my surprise that fee is going up to $25 dollars for the first bag and $35 dollars for the second bag on FEB 13, 2013. So I think if Airtran customers want to avoid these fees I think southwest.com is the way to go.

However I do have a question since these two companies are in the process of merging why are customers being still being charged a change fee if they book on airtran.com and why are bag baggage fees increasing on FEB 13 instead of being eliminated? How long will be before Southwest extends bags fly free and no change fees to customers who book on airtran.com, what is taking Southwest so long to change the policies at AirTran is it really that complicated?


User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4611 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10695 times:

Quoting jayunited (Reply 4):
However I do have a question since these two companies are in the process of merging why are customers being still being charged a change fee if they book on airtran.com and why are bag baggage fees increasing on FEB 13 instead of being eliminated? How long will be before Southwest extends bags fly free and no change fees to customers who book on airtran.com, what is taking Southwest so long to change the policies at AirTran is it really that complicated?

Bags fly free is part of the WN brand, not FL brand. The goal in all this is to phase out the FL brand completely. There are other policies on FL (such as standy by) that I think are actually better than WN.


User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1464 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10695 times:

Something I find interesting, they chose the only airports that they dont share the same concourse or terminal. WN and FL are in different concourses at FLL and different terminals at RSW.

Quoting jayunited (Reply 4):
How long will be before Southwest extends bags fly free and no change fees to customers who book on airtran.com, what is taking Southwest so long to change the policies at AirTran is it really that complicated?

They can do it whenever they choose, there is no reason to. Why not get the revenue from AirTran while they can...

[Edited 2013-01-26 10:26:22]


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User currently offlinegihanjaya380 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10534 times:

Hi Everyone,

I am new to this sight but I have been a silent member for sometime. Great to be a part of this wonderful site.

About the codeshare, isn't Airtran part of Southwest Airlines? Why would they want a codeshare system when they are the same company.

Just my thought.

Gihan


User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4611 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10486 times:

Quoting gihanjaya380 (Reply 7):
About the codeshare, isn't Airtran part of Southwest Airlines? Why would they want a codeshare system when they are the same company.

FL is a Southwest subsidiary, but the networks are not combined. This is the first look at it happening. The product offering (brand) of FL is also much different than WN so they can't simply just rebrand everything WN without completely overhauling the ex-FL aircraft and gate areas. This is all about connecting the networks to as the FL network gets smaller, those pax still have access to a larger network.


User currently offlineknope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2978 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10456 times:

Even though Southwest has owned AirTran for quite some...the purchase was finalized about 20 months ago...they have operated as completely separate airlines with nearly no linkage. If your AirTran flight cancels, they won't put you on Southwest. If you want to fly a connection where your first flights is Southwest and your connecting flight is AirTran, they won't transfer the bag, etc. Just about the only think which is linked between the two airlines is that you can exchange frequent flyer credit from one program to the other.

Code sharing is finally changing that, at this piont just in this handful of markets. It seems destinted to be expanded to many more markets, perhaps systemwide. AirTran itself is being phased out, but that will take perhaps another year or two. In the mean time, having some actual integration between the airlines will help.

It will be interesting to see how well the integration goes. So far, because there was nearly zero integration, there wasn't much would could go wrong. Now they will have to execute.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13430 posts, RR: 100
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10383 times:
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Quoting airliner371 (Thread starter):
Based on what I see, you are better off booking an AirTran flight on southwest.com because you get the free bags etc...

Obviously intentional to 'pull' the FL customers over to Southwest's web site.

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 1):
That didn't take long for people to figure out. LOL

I'm sure WN/FL set it up that way to have FL fade away gracefully.

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 3):
This might be the first time you can buy any sort of Southwest flight on a third party GDS site?

I don't know, but an interesting point... Could WN be testing the value of offering service on 3rd party sites?

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 9):
It seems destinted to be expanded to many more markets, perhaps systemwide.

The sooner the better. Why buy FL if it isn't to be integrated into the WN route map? I can see a steady phase in. WN needs to make more routes available, in particular PHX and LAS to open up more of the west to ATL.

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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10383 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 1):
That didn't take long for people to figure out. LOL

And southwest will get a taste of fee revenue...



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User currently offlineL1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1681 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10369 times:
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I just tried to book an AirTran flight from RIC to MCO on the Southwest website, and I got a message saying that this flight is available for booking on Airtran.com. So how do you book an AirTran flight on Southwest.com?


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User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1464 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10337 times:

Quoting L1011 (Reply 12):
So how do you book an AirTran flight on Southwest.com?

Currently the codeshare is only available from SDF&ORF-FLL&RSW on both websites and on southwest.com ATL-RSW&FLL as well.

[Edited 2013-01-26 11:05:22]


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User currently offlineunmlobo From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10231 times:

Quoting jayunited (Reply 4):
I think you are correct it would be beneficial for all AirTran customers to book their flights on Southwest's website. Looking at southwest.com you see there are basically no fees for almost any of their services while airtran.com still charges their customers in coach a change fee, a fee for the first and second bag and to my surprise that fee is going up to $25 dollars for the first bag and $35 dollars for the second bag on FEB 13, 2013. So I think if Airtran customers want to avoid these fees I think southwest.com is the way to go.

For the vast majority of policies the policies of the marketing carrier will apply. So you are correct in that if AirTran Customers want to avoid bag fees they would need to purchase on southwest.com. However, there are still reasons for AirTran Customers to book on airtran.com, including the ability to earn A+ credit (as opposed to RR points), the ability to choose a seat assignment in advance (itineraries booked at southwest.com will have a seat auto-assigned at checkin) and AirTran's more flexible standby policies day of travel.



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User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1102 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9905 times:

It's about time . Don't ya think ?

User currently offlinePu From Sweden, joined Dec 2011, 736 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9639 times:

I used to think WN was nearly faultless. Until they decided to buy AirTran. I think they could have saved the money they spent (and are spending) related to AirTran and instead invested a still lavish amount, say $200m, to upgrade failities at Fulton County Airport, Peachtree-DeKalb County Airport or Cobb County Airport to a level suitable for a medium level of commercial passenger services...7 gates or so. Or spend the money bribing policticians so they can serve Dobbins.

Atlanta needs a second commercial airport towards the north and this sticks to the original WN formula in many ways.



Pu


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9026 times:

Quoting Pu (Reply 16):

I agree with you on the first part. The emperor has, if not no clothes, a bikini. Second part I disagree. That was WN circa 1990, not today.


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1993 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8987 times:

Looks like a very cautious roll-out that won't create a big problem if issues arise. That's a wise route if you ask me.

User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8975 times:

Atl doest need a second airport yet, also the airports you named will not be turned to commercial due to nimbys. Also swa's faults are glaringly showing because how far behind the curve tech wise they are ad well as some procedures and flying. The faults if any lie in the underestimation of the necessary technology and the difficulty of merging a carrier that was very different in just about everyway.


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User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8949 times:

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 9):
If you want to fly a connection where your first flights is Southwest and your connecting flight is AirTran, they won't transfer the bag, etc.

I assume this is changing with the codeshare being implemented, correct? It seems useless to fly ORF-ATL-FLL booked on Southwest, check a bag in, and then not have your bag transferred at ATL.

Also, any speculation on when more codeshare routes will be announced? I know Gary Kelly said that they hoped to have it fully implemented by April, but I wasn't sure if a more detailed schedule of implementation has or will come out.

Also, most of you probably know this, but for those who don't, it looks like the codeshare flight numbers for the FL flights that you book on southwest.com are the FL flight numbers prefixed by a 5.

[Edited 2013-01-26 15:01:45]

User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4611 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8804 times:

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 20):
I assume this is changing with the codeshare being implemented, correct? It seems useless to fly ORF-ATL-FLL booked on Southwest, check a bag in, and then not have your bag transferred at ATL.

If you are ticketed on a code-share ticket, your bag is checked all the way through.

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 20):
Also, most of you probably know this, but for those who don't, it looks like the codeshare flight numbers for the FL flights that you book on southwest.com are the FL flight numbers prefixed by a 5.

Add 5000 to any FL flight number = WN code share flight number once it is loaded in the system

Quoting Atlwest1 (Reply 19):
Also swa's faults are glaringly showing because how far behind the curve tech wise they are ad well as some procedures and flying. The faults if any lie in the underestimation of the necessary technology and the difficulty of merging a carrier that was very different in just about everyway.

I don't think anyone denies that tech is an issue and that is why Amadeus is coming in. It also shows that the FL systems aren't capable of being scaled up or everyone would be switching over to those. My opinion is that AirTran had only one way to grow - west. Southwest knew this and made the move to stop them and also take over the AirTran network at the same time to enhance what it already had. This took out a competitor and also provided non-traditional markets for WN to try with those who had experience.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 18):
Looks like a very cautious roll-out that won't create a big problem if issues arise. That's a wise route if you ask me.

Absolutely. I'm glad it is going this way and not full scale roll out that could snowball things.

Quoting Pu (Reply 16):
I used to think WN was nearly faultless. Until they decided to buy AirTran. I think they could have saved the money they spent (and are spending) related to AirTran and instead invested a still lavish amount, say $200m, to upgrade failities at Fulton County Airport, Peachtree-DeKalb County Airport or Cobb County Airport to a level suitable for a medium level of commercial passenger services...7 gates or so. Or spend the money bribing policticians so they can serve Dobbins.

See my comment above. No one is without faults. The AirTran acquisition was needed. Others point out the NIMBY factor and really, why should WN put forth the expense with two hub carriers to go up against? It is better to take over one and go forward. Granted in DEN they went up against two, but F9 was definitely in a much weaker position than FL.


User currently offlineADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1396 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7916 times:

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 2):
On Travelocity, you can buy SDF-FLL as AirTran, where SDF-ATL is operated by Southwest. This might be the first time you can buy any sort of Southwest flight on a third party GDS site?

First time publicly, maybe yes. First time, no - WN has been available for corporate travel on Travelicity for years.

Quoting gihanjaya380 (Reply 6):
About the codeshare, isn't Airtran part of Southwest Airlines? Why would they want a codeshare system when they are the same company.

The Southwest computer can't do real code shares or international ticketing. For some reason Southwest did not want AirTran's computer taking over ( there are stories of software versions and/or WN superiority issues).


User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6345 times:

If this isn't a cluster merger I don't know what is...it will all end well for WN but c'mon already, what an odd and long winded integration process...

DL/NW, historically speaking, had to have been one of the, if not the smoothest merger ever for two huge carriers.

UA/CO: so so. I think Smisek thought at one point he could do it better than DL/NW. Not the case, for sure.

AA/US: cluster in the making...

[Edited 2013-01-27 01:18:34]


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User currently offlineknope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2978 posts, RR: 30
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day ago) and read 5544 times:

Quoting peanuts (Reply 22):
If this isn't a cluster merger I don't know what is...it will all end well for WN but c'mon already, what an odd and long winded integration process...

Up to this point, it's been an excpetionally smooth event for Southwest customers. As for AirTran customers, it's been mostly status quo at a shrinking airline, but not necessarily ugly. But that is because there has been nearly no integration attempted. Some, with a charitable outlook, say that this is the deliberate go-slow plan of Southwest, and it has created the smoothest large acquisition in memory. Others, with a more caustic outlook, say this is playing out because of Southwest's antiquated technology and myoptic perspective, and that they are squandering AirTran's customer base but will still have their share of merger pain when they finally do integrate.

I think the true quality of the merger will play out over the next year or two, good or bad. Code sharing is a significant integration step, and there will be countless opportunities to create frustration among the customer base *if* policy decisions, technological limitations, or execution leave something to be desired.

Up to this point, it's like judging a musical by the overture. People have complained that the overture has been running unusually long, but almost certainly it will be overshadowed by what's to come, good or bad.


User currently offlinesdoyon From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 23 hours ago) and read 5513 times:

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 23):
Up to this point, it's like judging a musical by the overture. People have complained that the overture has been running unusually long, but almost certainly it will be overshadowed by what's to come, good or bad.

        

I am really excited to see how this plays out. It seems to me that the code-share roll out will be much like the period between acquisition and now: slow; and I don't have an issue with that. I'd rather have them take longer and have be almost flawless rather than have them dive in head first and have a myriad of issues to deal with.


25 knope2001 : The main issue I see with the super-slow rollout is that you run the risk of losing a lot of the capital you paid big bucks for in buying AirTran. Air
26 FlyPNS1 : That assumes that FL had a loyal customer base which I don't think they actually did. Sure, there were a few die hards, but FL's bread and butter was
27 bobloblaw : Just checked SDF-FLL on WN website, available for $130 each way. On the FL website same flights $240 each way.
28 knope2001 : I know there are a lot of people in MKE who'd disagree with you sharply on that, and likely in ATL as well. A solid portion of AirTran's network is l
29 JONC777 : DL has blocked that in the past .. . that would have never worked out. . . plus buying FL got rid of competion that had a lower operating cost than W
30 ScottB : I believe that the ATA codeshare flights several years ago were also bookable through the GDS sites. But before the rise of online travel sites like
31 FlyPNS1 : I think they kept the business class to try and compete with DL, but I don't think it was a successful strategy. If you look at the yields FL was get
32 knope2001 : Interesting way of looking at it. I would guess that most spoke cities didn't have too many loyal business travelers, with the exception of a few big
33 ScottB : I don't doubt that if your team has a fair amount of travel and they're able to direct their travel to one carrier or the other within reason: both D
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