KGRB From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 715 posts, RR: 1 Posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5107 times:
There's a rumor floating around on one of the other boards I read -- an urban development forum, of all things -- that Delta is going to resume GRB-ATL service. The post doesn't say when the flights will start operating, just that the official announcement is going to come Monday.
The flights will apparently be operated by EV, with the outbound leaving GRB at 6:00 a.m. and the inbound arriving at 7:05 p.m. It will use flight number 5523. This flight operated in the mid-2000s, but the service ended when DL pulled out of the GRB market in 2008 (at the same time, dropping the Comair-operated CVG flights, as well). Delta gained access to the GRB market once again, through the Northwest merger and has several daily flights to MSP and DTW.
This "announcement," if true, is no surprise to me. My only surprise is that it took this long. This will be a perfect 717 route when those come on-line.
Kcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3814 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4977 times:
Quoting KGRB (Thread starter): This "announcement," if true, is no surprise to me. My only surprise is that it took this long. This will be a perfect 717 route when those come on-line.
Looks like the route starts June 11 with a CRJ-700. My source is www.delta.com. This should compliment the DTW and MSP flights nicely. You guys have healthy schedules to both of those hubs, so DL is probably chasing some premium O&D to ATL on this one; in addition to streamlining connections to cities only served from ATL. Wouldn't hold my breath for that 717.
CIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2286 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4600 times:
Good for GRB, its a nice sized terminal but surpsingly they only fly to 3 hubs ORD (AA &UA) MSP (DL) and DTW (DL). CLE service on UA is getting dropped so its nice to see ATL coming back online to give GRB access to a southern tier hub. I wonder if AA would ever reconsider re-starting GRB-DFW? This route was run back in the mid 2000's. GRB is a DL dominated station to ATL should do well.
point2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2757 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4237 times:
Quoting cle757 (Reply 3): CLE-GRB had good loads..dont know why its gone
GRB sure has had its share of cuts.......
I do believe that when F9 ran its DEN-GRB seasonal service in the summer of 2010, the l/f was somewhere around 85%. I would guess that F9 found that maybe fares/yields weren't high enough for them to continue service here. GRB even received an SCASD grant a couple of years ago for this, but so far........ nothing has materialized.
I think that at least a seasonal ATL-GRB should be able to work.......
aa777lvr From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3524 times:
Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 9): Quoting knope2001 (Reply 6):
In addition to GRB-ATL, Delta is adding MSN-SLC on CR7 starting in late May.
So you're telling me that MSN can support this service, but MKE can't?!
Certain companies have the clout to support routes. Several companies in the MSN area are growing rapidly (IT/biotech) and need more connecting options to the west than the current United Express/Frontier options are able to offer via DEN. I'd imagine the yield on the routes from MSN are more lucrative than MKE as well.
I wouldn't say that. GRB has always had mainline aircraft -- it was once a hub for North Central -- but that has diminished in recent years due to the retirement of the DC-9. This is a perfect opportunity for them to put more mainline lift into GRB again. And besides, the lines for the 717 are already painted onto the ground there.
Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 8):
Initial Saturday only service begins in March on the E75.
That sure is a surprise to me. Is this a Compass-operated flight? I always had the impression that SkyWest was the only game in town in SLC.
Kcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3814 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3144 times:
Quoting KGRB (Reply 17): I wouldn't say that. GRB has always had mainline aircraft -- it was once a hub for North Central -- but that has diminished in recent years due to the retirement of the DC-9. This is a perfect opportunity for them to put more mainline lift into GRB again. And besides, the lines for the 717 are already painted onto the ground there.
As of today.. you do not have ATL service. So how is a route with no ATL service a perfect route for the 717? How many cities that distance from ATL have one flight per day, and that flight being on a mainline jet? Your best bet for mainline is on one of the two established hub routes you have ( MSP or DTW ).
I don't find the prices to MSN to be much different than MKE. Is the cost structure at MKE that high?
i'm not sure of the source or the parameters of the data used to determine, a corporate travel manager I know mentioned that MSN is one of the top 10 most expensive markets for fares. Unless the legacy carriers are competing on something competing with Frontier (MCO, DCA or west coast destinations via DEN) the fares are quite a bit higher than originating in MKE (in general). Leisure travelers from the MSN area often go to Chicago or MKE to save significantly. Therefore, the airlines enjoy better profit/yield out of MSN. Doing a quick price check the lowest 1-way MSN-ATL versus MKE-ATL (same booking inventory) is about $78 more out of MSN than MKE.
The part of the story that I found particularly interesting is that airline leaders came to GRB for the weekend and toured the community before making the decision. That kind of puts to rest all of those rumors about the "Delta dartboard," don't you think?
jreuschl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2437 times:
Maybe a little off topic but does DL like to keep connection times really short or just happens to be in this example? Looked at MKE-LAX in March for a morning flight and the two MSP connections were 39 and 35 minutes, ATL was 35 also. A little too close for comfort so they lost a sale,
metjetCEO From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2277 times:
The local airport has worked for years to get that lane back. It was tied to many meetings from what I understand but the weekend up here also gave them time to meet with some of the major employers... Including ga pacific.
As far as sources go... They had a HUGE media event for it too as it is designed for local business travelers and will cut out two connection flights for points throughout the south and some international. It leaves GRB in time to hit the entire second bank at ATL and gets back in late evening.
Though ATW is only 25 miles away they are considered vastly different markets and GRB employers often do not consider ATW as an option. I traveled out of here with an employer and in approximately 150 trips we only considered ATW once or twice...and that was for their nonstop to ATL
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: DL does have tight margins via ATL in my mind. The system is set up to allow 39 min connections. I don't think it is wise, IME. The only time it is "