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TWA To Take-over DFW-STL Route From AA.  
User currently offlineN757tw From United States of America, joined May 2000, 119 posts, RR: 0
Posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3879 times:

Starting at the end of October I think, AA will suspend all DFW-STL, in favor of TWA. TW is moving its gates, and counters down the hall to where ATA was, which is right next to AA's terminal B section. They are going to have 17 flights a day, all operated by TW aircraft, and crews.

Does anybody know what equiptment is going to be used, will they have designated gates in STL? Thats almost hourly shuttle service. It's great for employees connecting thru STL!!

N 7 5 7 T W

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User currently offlineSpinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3803 times:

I'm puzzled by this. If they are eventually going to drop the TWA name, why build it up on this route, or any other route for that matter?

User currently offlineBoiler Special From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3791 times:

The new "shuttle" service starts October 1. 17 flights a day... leaving STL hourly on the :40 from 6:40 AM - 10:40 PM. Flights operate using MD-80s and 717s.

I don't know about the designated gate deal, but I'd imagine that the flights will continue to depart from the TWQ gates in St Louis like the current DFW flights.

User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 34614 posts, RR: 70
Reply 3, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3781 times:

Wierd that TWA will take it over instead of the reverse. On the other side, I heard it will not be long before AA takes over TWA's MIA-STL route. They already took over TWA's MIA-SJU and FLL-SJU.

User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6291 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3767 times:

How are they taking the old ATA gate? That makes no sense. ATA moved out because that part of the building is about to be blown up. Okay, exaggeration. They are putting in the new people mover station there. So... TWA is going to host the people mover?

"Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard TWA flight 424, final destination terminal D..."

I don't understand this one.

ATA is now in one of TWA's old gates, that they HAD been renting out to Vanguard, which has since moved into Delta's temrinal... whoa, confusing.

This is going to be a very interesting thing indeed.


User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1456 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3756 times:

Only the Tristars operate out of Dl's gates the 727's still operate out of terminal B

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User currently offlineSkychuck From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3744 times:

perhaps STL-ORD is next....

User currently offlinePenguinflies From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3712 times:

Just like AA taking over LAX-KOA flight last week.

IMO, it has to do with intergration. Get one airline to handle all the flying to one city from STL, JFK, SJU. When January 1st comes, all they will have to do is drop the TWA flight numbers (since AA has placed their flight numbers on TWA flights already).

User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2020 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3710 times:

When is AA merging its operations at STL into TW, I assume that is the plan. Why keep your small desk and one or two gates in Concourse A when you just bought like 50 or 60 gates in C and D concourses (not to mention the TS and CQ gates in B concourse). I would think they would be moving the eagle tails over to C and D very soon. Let somebody scramble for that space you are taking up in A concourse AA.
Oh yeah, any idea who will want the desk and gates that AA will give up at STL?

User currently offlineLowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3699 times:

I wonder if this is meant to 'shrink' TWA w/out removing any aircraft?

If TWA has to use more aircraft to operate this, they are taking it away from something else, as they retire aircraft.

User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3699 times:


What about the international routes from STL please? Will they develop them or drop them?

Thank you,

Best regards,
Alain Mengus

User currently offlineUs330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4165 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

I think that they would develop them. They will definitely keep the STL-LGW route, and that is the only major international route (all others are in the North American continent) flown out of STL. Maybe Frankfurt in about a year's time, otherwise, it should stay as is.

User currently offlineSpinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3652 times:

I guess it's starting to make more sense. They are consolidating TWA's flight's and planes down to certain routes with higher frequencies. This way when they can keep employees and aircraft busy in the "TWA" system before full intergration and not have as many routes to worry about during the intergration.

makes sense to me at least

User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3648 times:

You forgot STL-CDG.

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User currently offlineMadhatter From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3607 times:

TW are operating all the services between ORD and Kansas City,ORD and St.Louis,DFW and Kansas City, DFW and St.Louis and DFW to JFK. AA are suspending all services on these routes. However TW are suspending JFK-LAX,SFO and MCO-SJU.

User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

American's 2001 Winter Schedule Changes Reflect Next Phases of TWA Integration
Airline Lays Foundation for New St. Louis Hub's Future as Jet Departures Grow Despite Poor Economic Climate
FORT WORTH, Texas, Sept. 10 /PRNewswire/ -- American Airlines today announced a new winter schedule that provides the first glimpse into its overarching plan to integrate TWA into the carrier's global network. Changes in aircraft types, flight frequency and route system will help transition TWA to the business model that has propelled American to become one of the world's most successful airlines.

``We're unveiling a schedule that both capitalizes on our acquisition of TWA's assets and acknowledges the challenges posed by a weakened economy,'' said Henry Joyner, American's senior vice president, Planning. ``The new winter schedule reflects concerted efforts to provide our new St. Louis hub with long-term stability while strengthening our overall network with flights to the places business and leisure travelers most want to fly.''

The following schedule changes will occur between now and Jan. 3, 2002. Customers can contact American's reservations offices at 1-800-433-7300, TWA's reservations offices at 1-800-221-2000 or visit AA.com for additional information.

New Flights (Daily except as noted)
American is launching new service:
Chicago to Fort Myers, Fla. (Seasonal) + 2 round trips
Los Angeles to Lihue, Hawaii + 1 round trip

This is in addition to the new five times weekly service previously announced between Fort Lauderdale, Fla., and Caracas, Venezuela.

Additional Flights (Daily except as noted)
American is adding service to several markets, including:
Chicago to Orlando + 1 round trip
Chicago to Salt Lake City + 1 round trip
Dallas/Fort Worth to New York JFK + 1 round trip
Los Angeles to Fort Lauderdale + 1 round trip
Miami to Barbados + 1 round trip
Miami to Detroit + 2 round trips
Miami to La Romana/Casa de Campo + 1 round trip (3x weekly)
Miami to Raleigh/Durham + 1 round trip
Miami to St. Croix + 1 round trip (4x weekly)
New York La Guardia to Tampa + 1 round trip
St. Louis to Orange County, Calif. + 1 round trip
San Juan to Philadelphia + 1 round trip (5x weekly)

These are in addition to the new daily service previously announced between Chicago and Cancun. American also earlier announced that it was increasing its Los Angeles to Honolulu service from two to three times daily and its Los Angeles to Maui service to twice daily from one flight.

American Eagle will also offer complementary regional jet -- or ``RJ'' -- service to two markets that currently feature only American Airlines departures. These are:

Dallas/Fort Worth to Columbus + 2 round trips

Dallas/Fort Worth to Dayton + 1 round trip

Seasonal Flights (Daily except as noted)
American will be moving some flights to seasonal status, including:
Austin to Boston
St. Louis to Paris
St. Louis to Vancouver

and reinstating other seasonal flights, including:

San Juan to Baltimore (5x weekly)
San Juan to Hartford
San Juan to Washington Dulles (5x weekly)

These are in addition to the previously announced return of Chicago to Rome flights during the summer 2002 travel season.

Seasonal flights, which operate only during market-specific, high-traffic seasons, allow American to continue serving markets when demand is sufficient to support nonstop flying. Connecting service remains available in these markets via American or its oneworld partners.

Route Changes

As American and TWA head toward full integration, customers will see some routes previously flown by one airline operated by the other or by both. The following markets will soon be flown solely by American, the first two featuring American's award-winning three-class American Flagship Service:

Los Angeles to New York JFK

San Francisco to New York JFK

San Juan to Orlando

These are in addition to the previously announced shift to American of TWA's service between Los Angeles and Kailua-Kona, Hawaii.

The following markets will soon be flown solely by TWA:
Chicago to Kansas City
Chicago to St. Louis
Dallas/Fort Worth to Kansas City
Dallas/Fort Worth to New York's JFK
Dallas/Fort Worth to St. Louis

TWA will also begin flying some of the flights between the following city
Chicago to Baltimore
Chicago to Raleigh/Durham
Dallas/Fort Worth to Albuquerque
Dallas/Fort Worth to Columbus
Dallas/Fort Worth to Nashville

With some TWA flying transitioning to American, TWA's larger Boeing 757 aircraft, previously used on these routes, will now be available for additional flying to the West Coast from the St. Louis hub.

In the very near future, as the integration continues, the differentiation between the two airlines will become less evident. TWA's fleet already features More Room Throughout Coach, adding extra legroom for coach passengers. Several airport facilities are already co-located with more combining each month. Within the next few months, personnel will all work from a single computer reservations and check-in system.

As American moves its aircraft to other routes, American Eagle will offer regional jet service in certain markets, including Boston to Washington National and Dallas/Fort Worth to Amarillo.

Regional Jets (RJs)

Under the terms of the TWA asset acquisition, American can now expand usage of the popular RJ in St. Louis. Markets that were not profitable when served by TWA's larger aircraft will retain service through the introduction of RJs, which allow for more frequency and more time of departure options for customers. These markets include:

St. Louis to Cleveland

St. Louis to Lincoln, Neb.

St. Louis to Louisville

St. Louis to Sioux Falls, S.D.

St. Louis to Toronto

Flights in the St. Louis to Cleveland market increase from four to six. In the St. Louis to Louisville market flights increase from four to five. And St. Louis to Sioux Falls service will increase from three to four flights daily with a fifth planned for spring 2002.

RJs will also be introduced on three of the six round-trips between St. Louis and Omaha and an additional three RJ flights will be added for a total of nine flights a day. The St. Louis to Lexington service will be upgraded from turboprops to RJs as well. In the Lincoln, Sioux Falls and Toronto markets, the RJs are replacing older DC9 aircraft scheduled for retirement. TWExpress will provide the RJ service in all of these markets.

Most of these specific changes will be reflected in Worldspan on Sept. 15 and in Sabre on Sept. 16, after the data has been uploaded to these computer reservations systems.

These changes will increase jet departures in St. Louis year-over-year. They also represent the foundation for a stronger St. Louis hub, where TWA often struggled to match capacity with demand.

TWA historically also had wrestled with not being part of a larger airline network. These scheduling changes now ensure the St. Louis hub will be fully integrated into American's global network, complementing its East/West hubs in Chicago and Dallas/Fort Worth.

Discontinuing Service
American is discontinuing service in markets that are currently not
Chicago to Zurich Effective Nov. 1, 2001
San Jose to Portland Effective Nov. 1, 2001

These cancellations are in addition to those previously announced, including Los Angeles to Dallas Love Field, Los Angeles to Houston Hobby, Los Angeles to Paris, New York to Cairo/Riyadh and Seattle to Orange County, Calif.


``We were challenged in one of the most difficult economic climates in the history of commercial aviation to roll out a schedule that offers flights to the places our customers want to fly and, at the same time, build a strong, sensible network that will enable us to take first advantage of the eventual economic recovery,'' Joyner said. ``As we integrate TWA into American, we'll be constantly looking to maximize its assets -- the St. Louis hub, in particular -- so that American can offer the very best product and network for our customers and the communities we serve.''


Current AMR Corporation (NYSE: AMR - news) news releases can be accessed via the Internet. The address is http://www.amrcorp.com .

SOURCE: American Airlines

User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3579 times:

STL to LGW will probably remain and be served with a 767-300 although a 777 is possible eventually, after
the integration is complete.

STL to Paris will probably not survive. I suspect AA
will add a frequency from DFW or ORD for this flight.


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