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Small Aircraft Down In Hudson River Jan 27, 2013  
User currently offlinekjfk527 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 40 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15039 times:

Breaking news a small aircraft crashed into the Hudson River in NYC. FDNY and NYPD aviation on site pulled two survivors out of the water.

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User currently offlinekjfk527 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 14943 times:

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se.../local/northern_suburbs&id=8970109

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7959 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14584 times:

Deja vu, huh..... glad there's survivors, and thank god for life fests.


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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8366 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14526 times:

Wow, really glad to hear about this. I gather there was no ELT-- I guess being under water would explain that. Glad to hear they made it!

[Edited 2013-01-27 16:26:25]


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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13197 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14166 times:

It is below freezing here in the NYC area, probably about 30 F (-1C) at the time of the 'splash' landing. One has to wonder about fuel/fuel system icing as a cause of this. That apparently those abroad are alive, still their exposure to very cold water does put them at risk of hypothermia and related medical problems.

User currently onlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13840 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4):

Avgas freezes below -58C, so the fuel itself won't freeze. However, if their was water/condensation in the lines, that could have, which would almost certainly cause a blockage if enough was in the line.

Depending on the aircraft age, it could have encountered serious carb icing as well.



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User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1626 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13671 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 3):
Wow, really glad to hear about this. I gather there was no ELT-- I guess being under water would explain that. Glad to hear they made it!

ELT's aren't known for being the most reliable feature of light aircraft.

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User currently offlineF9animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5120 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 13560 times:

I bet they were cold as heck. Sounds like the pilot knew what he was doing, and had life vests just in case! Glad to hear everyone is okay!


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User currently offlineOlafW From Germany, joined Jul 2009, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11542 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4):
still their exposure to very cold water does put them at risk of hypothermia and related medical problems.

Depends. There's also something called therapeutical hypothermia, which uses a reduced body temperature to achieve centralisation of bodily functions and diminish the effects of injuries. So depending on if they were injured or not and to which extent, this same effect may have saved them (which is colloquially referred to as "no one's dead until he's warm and dead").


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7441 times:

Quoting OlafW (Reply 8):
Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4):
still their exposure to very cold water does put them at risk of hypothermia and related medical problems.

Depends. There's also something called therapeutical hypothermia, which uses a reduced body temperature to achieve centralisation of bodily functions and diminish the effects of injuries. So depending on if they were injured or not and to which extent, this same effect may have saved them (which is colloquially referred to as "no one's dead until he's warm and dead").

Do we know how long they were in the water? It, according to the news report, doesn't sound like they were in the water very long, if they were in the water for any length of time at all.



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User currently offlineAirxliban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4518 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6280 times:

Glad they both made it! Another miracle on the Hudson  

Sounds like the engine stopped working for whatever reason. Mechanical failure, low oil pressure, icing, fire, who knows...I believe some models of the PA-32 are fuel injected but not sure about this one so carb ice could be an issue.

Anyway, great job to the pilot for getting her down without any loss of life and for having the good judgment to take life vests on board, as well as to the emergency services personnel.

Edit: aircraft reg is N1967E, according to this link:

http://morichesdaily.com/2013/01/sma...ng-2-crashed-hudson-river-yonkers/

[Edited 2013-01-28 09:58:52]


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User currently offlineQ From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4945 times:

Why can't they change name Hudson River to Sully River. lol


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User currently onlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2004 times:

Quoting OlafW (Reply 8):

Yup, the extreme cold like that can actually save lives too. I remember some show with survivors of crashes, think it was on discovery channel. I can't remember exactly the details, but below is the just of the story...

There was a story about two kids driving at night on a snow covered country road along a river heading to their High School for basketball practice. They lost control and went off the road and into the river. The car flooded and sank almost instantly.

The one kid, the driver i think, was able to free himself from his seat belt and got out of the car through the window but the other kid wasn't able to. The kid IIRC tried to go back down and free his friend but was unable to get the seat belt off. So he swam to the river's edge climbed up the embankment and followed the road back to main road. Once there, he was able to get a car stopped to help. She called it in and then everyone came.

But by the time rescuers finally got to the car, the other kid had been in the freezing river underwater for some 45 minutes (if I remember correctly). But he was pulled out and rushed to the hospital. IIRC, he was legally dead at some point, but they were able to revive him.

So in the end, he went a ridiculously long time without any oxygen, but because of the cold water he was in, his body slowed down and he survived with no brain damage. I think his core temperature was in the high 80s as well.



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