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Emirates To Start Dubai - Tokyo Haneda From 03JUN  
User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9393 times:

http://www.albawaba.com/business/pr/emirates-japan-466729

Effective 03 JUN EK will start daily DXB - HND flights. At present EK has daily flights to KIX and NRT.

EK 312 DXB - HND 0930 0001+1
EK 313 HND - DXB 0130 0705hrs

Aircraft: B777-200LR

[Edited 2013-01-28 00:00:25]


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User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8959 times:

No news from EK starting ARN so far.


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User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8828 times:

Good news, only thing is the schedule?

Arriving at 0705hrs into DXB doesn't give the route much scope for connecting traffic to Europe. Many flight to Europe ex DXB leave between 7am and 8am.


User currently offlineflylonghaul From Australia, joined Feb 2010, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8610 times:

Can't imagine this will attract much premium traffic with a schedule like that!
Will be interesting to see how this one performs.



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User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 877 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8597 times:

The timing is all to do with HND's insistance of all long-haul flights arriving and departing between 2200 - 0700.
But no-one saw this route coming !


User currently offline777klm From China, joined Apr 2005, 530 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8554 times:

Quoting cipango (Reply 2):
Arriving at 0705hrs into DXB doesn't give the route much scope for connecting traffic to Europe. Many flight to Europe ex DXB leave between 7am and 8am.

Is the flight focussed on business to and from Europe anyway? A stop in DXB seems backtracking to me...



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8530 times:

Quoting cipango (Reply 2):
Arriving at 0705hrs into DXB doesn't give the route much scope for connecting traffic to Europe. Many flight to Europe ex DXB leave between 7am and 8am.

It may not be ideal, but there are still many connecting flights (specifically, to Europe, Africa, and the Middle East) that leave DXB 0805*-1030, although most to Europe are before 9am. The 0930 departure to HND will be fed from a growing number of cities. (* Assuming 45 MCT.)

[Edited 2013-01-28 04:03:17]


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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3329 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8492 times:

Quoting cipango (Reply 2):
Arriving at 0705hrs into DXB doesn't give the route much scope for connecting traffic to Europe. Many flight to Europe ex DXB leave between 7am and 8am.

with DXB MCT at 75 mins, first suitable connection would be 820am.

connections look OK to me, considering 350am NRT arrival gets the earlier ones.

08:20 CDG EK 73
08:25 DOH EK 841
08:25 LCA EK 107
08:25 MUC EK 49
08:25 AMS EK 147
08:25 FRA EK 45
08:30 MCT EK 862
08:30 CPH EK 151
08:35 GRU EK 261
08:40 ZRH EK 87
08:45 ALG EK 757
08:45 DUS EK 55
08:50 CAI EK 927
08:50 CPT EK 770
08:55 GVA EK 89
09:00 HAM EK 59
09:05 MXP EK 93
09:05 PRG EK 139
09:15 LIS EK 191
09:25 NCE EK 77
09:30 FCO EK 97
09:35 DME EK 133
09:40 LHR EK 29
09:50 VCE EK 135
09:55 VIE EK 127
10:00 KWI EK 871
10:05 ATH EK 105
10:15 MRU EK 3703
10:15 JNB EK 763
10:30 ADD EK 723
10:45 DOH EK 851
10:45 NBO EK 719


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8425 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 7):
with DXB MCT at 75 mins, first suitable connection would be 820am.

connections look OK to me, considering 350am NRT arrival gets the earlier ones.

Also, for example, 0820 to LGW (EK15).



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User currently offlinektachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8090 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
Aircraft: B777-200LR

Is the aircraft used in between US flights? It always seems odd for Emirates to operate these flights when they aren't that long haul. From the hot temperatures in HND during the summer, it makes me wonder if they will change to the A343 or A345 in the summer.

Or will NRT and HND and KIX all be upgraded to the A380?



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User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 877 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7997 times:

I think DXB gets a fair bit hotter than HND in summers....but the 77L isn't used exclusively on ULR flights anyway on EK's network so I think HND is a good fit in the 77L's daily runs.

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4504 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7902 times:

The current B77L routes are

DXB SEA
DXB DFW
DXB GIG EZE
DXB PER
DXB LIS
DXB HAM
DXB GVA (not daily)

as well as some occasional subs.

The B77L for the HND route will be sourced from the PER route, which will go thrice daily B77W.


User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7731 times:

I presume the 77L is due to the product, which is possibly the closest in EK's fleet to the A380 offering. And that choice makes me think that EK is targeting more about the front, than the back of the bus for this route.


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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6324 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks ago) and read 7641 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 7):
08:35 GRU EK 261

I wonder if they are chasing this market a bit? Not the most direct route, but not the least either - about 700nm longer than going via LAX.


User currently onlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 947 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks ago) and read 7450 times:

I guess we didn't see this coming. This is the first city after London that is serviced to different airports with EK, isn't it? I wonder how long it will take to someone ask for a DXB-EWR since it is such a hassle to get from JFK to the West side of Manhattan  
Quoting sw733 (Reply 13):
I wonder if they are chasing this market a bit? Not the most direct route, but not the least either - about 700nm longer than going via LAX.

I am sure they do. Most passengers would avoid transiting through the US at all costs if it is only 700 nm longer for such a long flight. Anyway, it will be more important the transit time and cost. Even if you are Japanese and can do it with a ESTA, you will likely go through Dubai with no passport control, TSA or questions.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25436 posts, RR: 49
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7370 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 14):
I guess we didn't see this coming.

Sure we did.

Back in May 2012 Japan and UAE agreed on the following effective June 2013.

Abu Dhabi – Tokyo Haneda 1 new daily flight designation
Abu Dhabi – Tokyo Narita increases from 1 to 2 daily

Dubai – Tokyo Haneda 1 new daily flight designation
Dubai – Tokyo Narita increases from 1 to 2 daily

In addition Tokyo Haneda was designated also for cargo service up to 6 times a week, used either between Abu Dhabi or Dubai.


Soon I would look at Etihad to announce its own increased Tokyo service.



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User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7315 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 14):
I wonder how long it will take to someone ask for a DXB-EWR since it is such a hassle to get from JFK to the West side of Manhattan

I am very surprised that they have not launched EWR yet. The Indian community in new jersey is HUGE.


User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6721 times:

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 16):
I am very surprised that they have not launched EWR yet. The Indian community in new jersey is HUGE.

Although both are classed as NYC airports, they serve very different markets. It almost makes EWR entirely unrelated to JFK.

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 7):
connections look OK to me, considering 350am NRT arrival gets the earlier ones.

Actually I stand corrected. Always had in my head the European connections all left at the same time.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13138 posts, RR: 100
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6472 times:
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Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 7):
connections look OK to me, considering 350am NRT arrival gets the earlier ones.

Will the NRT flights be kept? In other words NRT and HND for EK?!?


Lightsaber

ps:

Late edit: Yes I saw this:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15):
Dubai – Tokyo Haneda 1 new daily flight designation
Dubai – Tokyo Narita increases from 1 to 2 daily

With EK fly to both airports? When for 2X/day to NRT?

[Edited 2013-01-28 10:55:35]


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User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 877 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6314 times:

Indeed yes, as per a previous post Tokyo is the second city after London to see EK in two seperate airports. 380 to NRT and 77L to HND.

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13138 posts, RR: 100
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5704 times:
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Quoting TC957 (Reply 19):
Indeed yes, as per a previous post Tokyo is the second city after London to see EK in two seperate airports. 380 to NRT and 77L to HND.

   Thank you. I'm not surprised EK will see the demand, I am a bit at EK's growth without another new city to Europe or Africa. One disadvantage of a 'high connecting hub' is that seats in must be matched with seats out (to a certain tolerance, of course).

This implies decent premium demand from Tokyo, which surprises me. (My brother contracted to Sony and they flew him Y across the Pacific multiple times per year.) So an A380 plus a 77L is quite a few premium seats. Ok, quite a few Y, but that cabin should be easy for EK to fill.

Quoting cipango (Reply 17):
Actually I stand corrected. Always had in my head the European connections all left at the same time.

Easy mistake to make due to how EK advertises their hub. The reality is that gate and runway congestion have forced a broadening of their hub waves. I particularly enjoy this thread on the DXB hub:

Emirates At DXB - Ultimate Operational Analysis (by HB-IWC Sep 27 2010 in Civil Aviation)

Naturally we all defer to HB-IWC's analysis of DXB/EK. Looking at that analysis, this flight arrives HND-DXB at about the mid-point of the 7am to 11am departure wave. (8:20 am onward, as noted actually allows almost 2/3rds of the connections; albeit many do not make sense from a route perspective such as the Americas, SE Asia, and Australia/New Zealand).


Lightsaber



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User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 877 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5541 times:

Wouldn't surprise me if EK have eyes on NGO & FUK as well.

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5472 times:

Quoting TC957 (Reply 21):
Wouldn't surprise me if EK have eyes on NGO & FUK as well.

Used to serve NGO but ceased it - but who knows? They may restart it sometime.

[Edited 2013-01-28 12:17:28]


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User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5130 times:

Quoting cipango (Reply 17):
Although both are classed as NYC airports, they serve very different markets. It almost makes EWR entirely unrelated to JFK.

Exactly. EWR has a pool of separate O&D to many global markets, including India, which EK should capture. There's a reason EWR is the only market from which U.S. carriers can fly nonstop to India and make enough of a profit to keep the flights while ORD, ATL etc. have been axed.


User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5669 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4956 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 14):
, you will likely go through Dubai with no passport control, TSA or questions

Unless its changed recently, you will go through security, with its attendant delays. If not for that a MCT of 60 min would be easy and 45 min not impossible.

Gemuser



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