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OAG Changes 2/1/2013:B6/DL/NK/UA/US  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7110 posts, RR: 13
Posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8942 times:

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES AT Macedonian Airlines (Greece)">IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

*9W EWR-BRU APR 1.0>1.2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2
*9W JFK-BRU APR 0>0.2 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0

AA ORD-DUS OCT 0.8>1.0
I guess last week was a bonehead mistake by somebody at AA.
*AA SJU-CCS MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0

AC CVG-YYZ MAR 1.7>1.5
AC DEN-YYZ MAR 2>1.8
AC MKE-YYZ MAR 1.7>1.5
AC PWM-YYZ MAR 1.7>0 APR 1.7>0

AF IAD-CDG SEP 2>1.6 OCT 1.8>1.5

*AM ORD-MTY MAR 1.0>0.1 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

AT JFK-CMN OCT 0.8>1.0

*B6 FLL-SJO JUN 0>0.1 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
B6 JFK-CUN APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3

BW FLL-POS OCT 1.0>0.8

*CA IAH-PEK JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.5 SEP 0>0.6 OCT 0>0.5

CI ROR-TPE MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.6>0.3 JUN 0.6>0.3 JUL 0.6>0.3 AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.5>0.3 OCT 0.6>0.3

*DL ATL-ANC JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
DL ATL-BTR OCT 9>8
*DL ATL-BTV JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
DL ATL-CHA SEP 10>9
DL ATL-CUN JUN 6>5
DL ATL-ECP AUG 9>7
*DL ATL-GRB JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
DL ATL-GSO SEP 9>8
DL ATL-JAN SEP 7>8 OCT 7>8
DL ATL-TRI SEP 8>7
Season further shortened
*DL ATL-VCE MAY 0.3>0
DL CVG-MDT SEP 1.7>1.0
DL DTW-LEX OCT 5>6
DL DTW-PIT SEP 5>6
DL FLL-MSP SEP 0.1>1.0
DL JFK-YUL JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2 SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
DL LGA-TYS MAY 0.8>1.7 JUN 0.8>1.7 JUL 0.8>1.7 AUG 0.8>1.7 SEP 0.9>1.7 OCT 0.9>1.7
These two routes will be gone soon I bet.
*DL MEM-JAN APR 1.7>1.1 MAY 1.7>0.8 JUN 1.7>0.8 JUL 1.7>0.8 AUG 1.7>0.8 SEP 1.7>0.9 OCT 1.7>0.9
*DL MEM-OKC APR 1.7>1.1 MAY 1.7>0.8 JUN 1.7>0.8 JUL 1.7>0.9 AUG 1.7>0.8 SEP 1.7>0.9 OCT 1.7>0.9
DL MIA-LAX APR 0.9>0.6
DL MSP-TVC OCT 0>1.0
*DL SLC-MSN JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
DL TPA-CUN AUG 0.2>0

F9 PHL-CUN MAY 0.4>0.3
F9 PHL-PUJ MAY 0.3>0.2

KE DFW-ICN SEP 0.7>1.0 OCT 0.7>1.0
KE GUM-ICN JUL 1.0>1.2 AUG 1.0>1.6

M5 BFI-ESD JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2
M5 BFI-FRD JUN 2>4 JUL 2>4 AUG 2>4 SEP 2>4

MW HNL-MKK MAR 6>7 APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7 AUG 6>7
MW KOA-OGG APR 15>14 MAY 15>14 JUL 15>14
MW MKK-HNL MAR 6>7 APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7 AUG 6>7
MW MKK-OGG MAR 6>7 APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7 AUG 6>7
MW OGG-KOA APR 15>14 MAY 15>14 JUL 15>14
MW OGG-MKK MAR 6>7 APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7 AUG 6>7

One carrier, two carriers, no carriers, LOL...
*NK AZA-DEN MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
More F9 pressure
*NK DEN-MSP MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
More FLL shrinking
*NK FLL-NAS MAY 0.3>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0

OZ SPN-PUS APR 0.3>0.6 MAY 0.3>0.6 JUN 0.3>0.6 JUL 0.3>0.5 AUG 0.3>0.6 SEP 0.3>0.6 OCT 0.3>0.5

P1 SJU-PUJ JUL 0>0.4

SV IAD-JED APR 0.4>0.6 MAY 0.5>0.6 JUN 0.4>0.6 JUL 0.4>0.5 AUG 0.5>0.6 SEP 0.4>0.6 OCT 0.3>0.5
SV JFK-JED APR 0.7>0.6 MAY 0.7>0.6 JUN 0.7>0.6 JUL 0.7>0.6 AUG 0.7>0.6 SEP 0.7>0.6
SV JFK-RUH APR 0.1>0.4 MAY 0.2>0.4 JUN 0.1>0.4 JUL 0.1>0.4 AUG 0.2>0.4 SEP 0.1>0.4 OCT 0.1>0.4
SY MSP-SAN JUL 0>0.9 AUG 0>0.8

TA LAX-GUA JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0.0>0.5
TA ORD-GUA JUL 0.5>0.6 AUG 0.4>0.5

TJ SJU-SBH JUN 1.3>0.7 JUL 1.2>0.7 AUG 1.3>0.7 SEP 1.3>0.7 OCT 1.2>0.7

TN LAX-CDG APR 0.7>0.5

UA DEN-CUN JUN 0.7>1.0 JUL 0.7>1.0
UA DEN-FCA JUL 2>4 AUG 1.8>4 SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2
UA DEN-GTF SEP 1.7>3
UA DEN-GUC JUL 1.0>2.0 AUG 1.0>1.8
UA DEN-HDN JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
UA DEN-IDA JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
UA DEN-JAC AUG 3>4 SEP 2>3 OCT 2>3
UA DEN-MCO SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
UA DEN-MSO SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
UA DEN-MTJ JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
UA DEN-SJD JUL 0.1>0.4 AUG 0.1>0.3
UA DEN-TPA SEP 1.7>1.0 OCT 1.7>1.0
UA DEN-TUS SEP 5>3 OCT 5>3
UA DEN-YVR SEP 2>3
UA EWR-ANU JUL 0.5>0.4
UA EWR-BDA JUN 1.3>1.1 JUL 1.4>1.1 AUG 1.4>1.1
UA EWR-BQN AUG 0.9>0.8
UA EWR-CUN AUG 1.5>3
UA EWR-GUA JUN 0.2>0.3 JUL 0.1>0.3 AUG 0.2>0.3
*UA EWR-LIR JUN 0.9>0.3 JUL 1.0>0.3 AUG 1.0>0.3 SEP 1.0>0.3 OCT 1.0>0.3
UA EWR-NAS JUL 2>1.5 AUG 1.3>1.1
UA EWR-POS JUL 1.0>0.7
UA EWR-PVR JUL 0.1>0.3
UA EWR-SAP JUL 0.1>0.3 AUG 0.2>0.3
UA IAD-AUA JUL 0.3>0.1
UA IAD-CUN AUG 0.4>0.5
UA IAD-PUJ JUL 0.1>0.3
UA IAH-ACA JUL 1.0>0.7 OCT 0.8>0.5
UA IAH-BON JUL 0.3>0.1
Hmm...I wonder if they expect B6 to announce.
*UA IAH-BOS JUN 5>6 JUL 4>6 AUG 4>6
UA IAH-GCM JUL 1.0>1.1
UA IAH-MTY AUG 8>9
UA IAH-SAP JUL 2>1.4 AUG 1.5>1.3
UA IAH-SJD JUL 1.9>3 AUG 1.9>3
UA LAX-CUN AUG 0.5>0.8 SEP 0.1>0.4 OCT 0.1>0.4
UA LAX-GDL SEP 1.0>0.7 OCT 1.0>0.7
UA LGA-AUA JUL 0>0.1
UA ORD-ALB JUN 5>4
UA ORD-BDL JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
UA ORD-BIL JUN 0>0.8
UA ORD-BTV JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5
UA ORD-BUF JUN 6>8 JUL 6>8 AUG 6>8
UA ORD-BWI JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5 AUG 6>5
UA ORD-CMH JUL 7>8 AUG 7>8
UA ORD-DAY JUN 7>8 JUL 7>8
UA ORD-DSM JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7 AUG 6>7
UA ORD-EWR JUN 15>16 JUL 16>17 AUG 15>16
UA ORD-FLL JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>2
UA ORD-GRR JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7 AUG 6>7
UA ORD-MCI JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9 AUG 8>9
UA ORD-MDT JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5 AUG 6>5
UA ORD-MHT JUN 3>2.0 JUL 3>2
UA ORD-OKC JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4
UA ORD-PHX JUL 3>2
UA ORD-PWM JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
UA ORD-RAP JUN 3>2.0
UA ORD-SAN JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
UA ORD-SAT JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
UA ORD-SAV JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
UA ORD-SDF JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
UA ORD-SJD JUL 0.1>0.3
UA ORD-SYR JUL 5>6
UA ORD-TVC JUL 4>5
SFO-Mexico cutbacks
UA SFO-CUN APR 1.0>0.8 MAY 1.0>0.7 JUN 1.0>0.5 JUL 1.0>0.5 AUG 0.9>0.4 OCT 1.0>0.4
UA SFO-GDL JUL 1.0>0.3 AUG 1.0>0.7 SEP 1.0>0.7
UA SFO-PVR APR 1.1>0.8 MAY 1.1>0.7 JUN 1.2>0.5 JUL 1.1>0.5 AUG 1.1>0.8 SEP 0.7>0.3 OCT 1.1>0.5
UA SFO-SJD SEP 0.8>0.9

US CLT-GRU MAY 0.9>0 JUN 1.0>0.8
Response to NK?
*US PHL-MYR APR 0.7>1.7 MAY 0.2>1.2 JUN 0.2>1.2 JUL 0.1>1.1 AUG 0.2>1.2 SEP 0.1>1.1 OCT 0.1>1.1
US PHX-HNL SEP 1.6>1.5
US PHX-KOA SEP 0.6>0.4
US PHX-LIH SEP 0.7>0.6
*US PHX-YEG MAY 2>1.7 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0
*US PHX-YYC MAY 2>1.7 JUN 2>1.0

VR BOS-RAI AUG 0.4>0.5

VS MCO-LGW APR 2>1.9 JUN 1.9>1.8

WP HNL-KOA MAR 0.5>0
WP HNL-LNY MAR 4>3
WP HNL-OGG MAR 4>3
WP KOA-HNL MAR 0.5>0
WP LNY-HNL MAR 6>5
WP OGG-HNL MAR 4>3

122 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16852 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8868 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

*9W EWR-BRU APR 1.0>1.2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2

Where does that 2nd flight continue on to? Shows the size of the New Jersey-India market. That makes five daily flights to India from EWR.



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7110 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8821 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*9W EWR-BRU APR 1.0>1.2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2
*9W JFK-BRU APR 0>0.2 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
Where does that 2nd flight continue on to? Shows the size of the New Jersey-India market. That makes five daily flights to India from EWR.

True, but it is just an airport shift. Don't know the through point. BOM?


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8646 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL SLC-MSN JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0

So there will be service from Madison to SLC but zero flights to Milwaukee. That must be a such a major hole for the MKE business community not to have a SLC link especially if Delta keeps building elites.

for random dates i saw CRJ-700
MSN-SLC 6:30pm- 8:40pm
SLC-MSN 2:00pm-5:55pm


User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4581 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8597 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL MEM-OKC APR 1.7>1.1 MAY 1.7>0.8 JUN 1.7>0.8 JUL 1.7>0.9 AUG 1.7>0.8 SEP 1.7>0.9 OCT 1.7>0.9

Increase of mainline to ATL makes MEM completely pointless these days. It won't be missed.


User currently offlinerivervisual From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8600 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
True, but it is just an airport shift. Don't know the through point. BOM?

it actually looks like additional service as opposed to an airport shift.

EWR goes from MAY 1.0>2

JFK goes from MAY 0>1.0

so from 1 daily NYC-BRU to 3 daily NYC-BRU

seems like a lot so may be a filing error??


User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 920 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8507 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAH-ACA JUL 1.0>0.7 OCT 0.8>0.5
UA IAH-BON JUL 0.3>0.1
Hmm...I wonder if they expect B6 to announce.
*UA IAH-BOS JUN 5>6 JUL 4>6 AUG 4>6
UA IAH-GCM JUL 1.0>1.1
UA IAH-MTY AUG 8>9
UA IAH-SAP JUL 2>1.4 AUG 1.5>1.3
UA IAH-SJD JUL 1.9>3 AUG 1.9>3

IAH-PTY,IAH-BOS, IAH-GCM, and IAH-SJD have gone up in frequency, This is some good news for IAH.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17409 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8453 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 6):

IAH-PTY,IAH-BOS, IAH-GCM, and IAH-SJD have gone up in frequency, This is some good news for IAH.

They're all flat year over year.

Quoting rivervisual (Reply 5):
seems like a lot so may be a filing error??

That's my guess.



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User currently offlineflyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8448 times:

So Jet is resuming JFK?


727, L1011, MD80, A300, 777-200, 737-300, 737-700, 747-400, 757-200, 737-800, A320. E190, E135, 767-200, CRJ9
User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 920 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8406 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 7):

But an new frequency is good for the paying customer. More options.



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1032 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8332 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*US PHX-YEG MAY 2>1.7 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0
*US PHX-YYC MAY 2>1.7 JUN 2>1.0

Not all that surprising, up until 2011 US to YYC and YEG were all Express during the summer and I believe at 2x and 1x, respectively. Winter is really the high season for those markets.



Tiny, unreadable text leaves ample room for interpretation.
User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6741 posts, RR: 32
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8236 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

*9W EWR-BRU APR 1.0>1.2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2

Where does that 2nd flight continue on to? Shows the size of the New Jersey-India market.

Jet operates a scissor hub at BRU, so presumably they're adding another flight to BOM or DEL? Unless it's a filing error.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA ORD-PHX JUL 3>2

I realize they can put connecting passengers on the US code share, but only two daily UA metal round-trips in a market as large as Chicago-Phoenix?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
These two routes will be gone soon I bet.
*DL MEM-JAN APR 1.7>1.1 MAY 1.7>0.8 JUN 1.7>0.8 JUL 1.7>0.8 AUG 1.7>0.8 SEP 1.7>0.9 OCT 1.7>0.9
*DL MEM-OKC APR 1.7>1.1 MAY 1.7>0.8 JUN 1.7>0.8 JUL 1.7>0.9 AUG 1.7>0.8 SEP 1.7>0.9 OCT 1.7>0.9

IIRC the DFW hub was quite a bit bigger than MEM currently is just before DFW was de-hubbed. I suppose the availability of the two-class CR9 for routes like PHL/BOS/DEN/PHX helps.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7110 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8170 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 4):
Increase of mainline to ATL makes MEM completely pointless these days. It won't be missed.

or the whole hub...

Quoting rivervisual (Reply 5):
Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
True, but it is just an airport shift. Don't know the through point. BOM?

it actually looks like additional service as opposed to an airport shift.

My mistake, but agreed that it is now pretty weird. I wonder how it will shake out.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 11):
IIRC the DFW hub was quite a bit bigger than MEM currently is just before DFW was de-hubbed. I suppose the availability of the two-class CR9 for routes like PHL/BOS/DEN/PHX helps.

I wonder what the bank structure is like now? Do they have 3 banks now or is it just a collection of junk randomly timed?


User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7549 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8173 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 3):
So there will be service from Madison to SLC but zero flights to Milwaukee. That must be a such a major hole for the MKE business community not to have a SLC link especially if Delta keeps building elites.

There a few very companies in MSN that provide DL with a lot of their business. I would not be surprised if they are the ones specifically asking for better west coast connectivity.


User currently offlineCOflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8120 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 9):

They are NOT new frequencies. These are routine seasonal adjustments.

In fact, if you take off your IAH blinders, you'd see that BOS service at 4 times daily at any time of year is a reduction. CO used to serve that route 5 times daily during the leaner months and 6 times during the peak season.

Also, it's MTY (Monterrey) not Panama City getting the additional flight. Mostly likely just another ERJ.

ORD got quite the boost. Looks like a +9 in flights. ORD is likely the biggest UA hub now so hopefully they'll stop with all the "IAH is still the biggest hub" nonsense.

Avensa, you really need to stop with your constant Rah-Rah IAH bit. We've seen an overall REDUCTION in service since the merger. Numerous cities have been dropped. Available seats are also down. There's no way to spin it otherwise.


User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 920 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8091 times:

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 14):

And I dont see that ORD is the biggest hub for UA anywhere else, if ORD did reclaim the crown, I think it would be in the news. CO is gone now, but IAH is still UAs most profitable hub. UA has added frequencies to many routes out of IAH. CDG was an underperforming route, and UA cut what was not profitable. They just used WN and HOU expansion as a cover. As long as it says the IAH is the largest hub in the system everywhere else than it is still the largest hub.

[Edited 2013-01-28 10:26:53] And you are not United, and unless UA says that IAH is not the largest hub anymore, I'll believe it.

[Edited 2013-01-28 10:29:46]


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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5170 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7972 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 15):
And I dont see that ORD is the biggest hub for UA anywhere else, if ORD did reclaim the crown, I think it would be in the news.

It would not make the news. Crunch the numbers...I would not be surprised to see Chicago being the larger hub of the two.



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User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 920 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7958 times:

If that is the case, IAH would be number 2.

[Edited 2013-01-28 10:44:48] Anyway, I think IAH could see expansion from UA in the future.

[Edited 2013-01-28 10:47:03]
I am going to drop my IAH ra ra bit, But I think IAH is in great shape with the new UA.


[Edited 2013-01-28 10:51:57]
I think the reduction of service was going to happen with the merger, but I think this was UA cutting the "fat."


[Edited 2013-01-28 10:58:38]


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User currently offlineawacsooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1894 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7810 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 4):
Increase of mainline to ATL makes MEM completely pointless these days. It won't be missed.

It will the days where ATL is either ATC or weather delayed...which is a LOT!


That being said...I'm still amazed no one notices when NK cuts a route at FLL, but praises them for their huge expansions out west. Mark my words, LAS and DFW will share the same fate as FLL...


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1932 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7810 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
More F9 pressure
*NK DEN-MSP MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0

Woah, two things. First, MSP-DEN is even more of a bloodbath. And two, NK is making inroads at MSP.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17409 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7784 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 15):
CDG was an underperforming route, and UA cut what was not profitable. They just used WN and HOU expansion as a cover

You don't find it odd that of all the cuts from all the hubs they needed "cover" for IAH? Who even believes that? What about IADACC; what was the 'cover' for that?



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User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 920 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7764 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 20):

UA made a mistake either way. They should have just cut the routes.



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7110 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7742 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 19):
Woah, two things. First, MSP-DEN is even more of a bloodbath. And two, NK is making inroads at MSP.

I think the NK AZA-DEN flight was spent just to screw F9 and now they are moving it to MSP in hopes of doing the same. I don't think the route makes long term sense for NK unless F9 shuts the DEN "hub". Further, it's ULCC cat and mouse with NK clearly reacting to F9 dubbing themselves an LCC. I'm wondering if DL will respond to F9's CVG and TTN moves.


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2747 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7669 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA DEN-CUN JUN 0.7>1.0 JUL 0.7>1.0
UA DEN-FCA JUL 2>4 AUG 1.8>4 SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2
UA DEN-GTF SEP 1.7>3
UA DEN-GUC JUL 1.0>2.0 AUG 1.0>1.8
UA DEN-HDN JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
UA DEN-IDA JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
UA DEN-JAC AUG 3>4 SEP 2>3 OCT 2>3
UA DEN-MCO SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
UA DEN-MSO SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
UA DEN-MTJ JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
UA DEN-SJD JUL 0.1>0.4 AUG 0.1>0.3
UA DEN-TPA SEP 1.7>1.0 OCT 1.7>1.0
UA DEN-TUS SEP 5>3 OCT 5>3
UA DEN-YVR SEP 2>3

Between yesterday's OAG's Changes post, and now this one here today, at least in basic numbers, UA appears to be giving DEN a lot of attention and adding some 14-15 flights in total between these two posts for this arriving summer/early autumn season. The $22M rent reduction (if we can call it that) DEN management gave UA seems to be paying off, and the icing on the cake being DEN-NRT - if these 787s can get up in the air again.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
One carrier, two carriers, no carriers, LOL...
*NK AZA-DEN MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

Oy vey....... well, the F9 nonstop is supposedly seasonal, so maybe F9's seasonal departure will not be as long as anticipated now?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
More F9 pressure
*NK DEN-MSP MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0

So now along with DTW, DEN-MSP will have 5 carriers competing on this route...... wow........ although from the RITA data, DEN has been the airport with the most pax to/from MSP this year.


 


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1675 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7586 times:
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL SLC-MSN JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0

Hopefully DL sees how well F9 and UA are doing in DEN and will add GRR-SLC.


25 TVNWZ : MKE-SLC has always been problematic for DL. Most business connections can be made through MSP .
26 enilria : I wonder if DEN will let them out of the ASM requirement in that rent deal if the 787 ain't flying? If they both left it must have been awful. Not su
27 AVENSAB727 : I wonder that as well. If they use a 777 on the route temporarily, I wonder if DEN will be ok with that.
28 IrishAyes : Look, the IAH whining needs to be put to an end. This has gotten ridiculous. Every other UA thread seems to get hijacked into a Houston sob-fest. I'v
29 tommy767 : ooo, anyone find this a little odd? hah, Yeah big whoop. I remember saying last year don't be surprised to see ORD and IAH bounce back and forth as t
30 AVENSAB727 : Thanks for the info, kind of proves what I was trying to say.
31 enilria : DEN would happily take a 777, but UA claimed to DEN that a 777 couldn't make it for years because of a "wheel speed" issue (not enough lift at max wh
32 Post contains links MaverickM11 : It really has nothing to do with IAH's relative size or what they've lost/gained--scratch that, *not* gained. It's about literally handing over a maj
33 Post contains images point2point : One would think that with an average of some 2800 pax daily traffic between DEN and PHX and how many planes from UA, US, WN and F9 flying between the
34 AVENSAB727 : A serious mistake by United. SFO is also a focus city for AA as well. SFO has not seen any new routes as of late(except for CDG) so IAH is not alone.
35 IrishAyes : Oh, I completely agree. But equally obnoxious are the tantrums that the IAH loyalists love to throw on these forums at whim's notice. I get it, I wou
36 apodino : Is this even fair to say with most of the competition in the Houston market focusing over at HOU? I am not trying to nitpick, but sometimes we get in
37 IrishAyes : I'll say this one final time: pmCO had THREE domestic US hubs before the merger. IAH did not have to contend with the presence of DEN and IAH within
38 BoeingGuy : Oh really? Hasn't AA cut BOS, STL, HNL and OGG from SFO the past few years? SFO seems to only be spoke. The only routes served from SFO are the corne
39 AVENSAB727 : Oh my bad, thanks for the correction.
40 Post contains images ScottB : Though the NUMBER of UA flights at DEN is increasing, I expect that ASM's are actually near-flat. It takes several Q400's/CRJ's/CR7's on short routes
41 ScottB : There almost certainly is, but location of the airport is not the only factor driving the purchase decision. If there's only one flight a day in a ma
42 Post contains images MaverickM11 : HOU However it's also a network industry, so also DFW and to a lesser extent ATL, etc That's a nice narrative, but it doesn't fit the recent history a
43 AVENSAB727 : Every situation was different, ORD is where UA was based at, so it would not have made sense to draw down ORD. WN's HOU expansion was the perfect cov
44 IrishAyes : Several reasons. First of all, IAH-CDG was not served for "over 20 years." It was 15 - it started in 1997. Secondly, CO and AF had a longstanding par
45 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Why would they need "cover"? They already moved the HQ and this administration loves to stick it to Texas--they probably would have helped move the H
46 Post contains images point2point : I wouldn't disagree with you here in the big picture, but I would think that having more flights to choose from in a schedule (even if they are the s
47 AVENSAB727 : Haha, very funny!
48 ScottB : My apologies, CO had served Paris non-stop from IAH for over two decades, although they originally served Orly and not Roissy. So how exactly does IA
49 COflyerBOS : I am just arm-chair quarterbacking, but tell me which of the following isn't true; 1) Houston's economy is robust and growing 2) Houston is UA's only
50 mah4546 : IAHAMS has ridiculously high average fares thanks to Shell. That's how it survives. If every trans-Atlantic route could average fares as high as IAHA
51 AVENSAB727 : Maybe you question too much, this was only a minor 10% reduction. They will contract at first then expand in the end.
52 Post contains images MaverickM11 : That's pretty much the story. But Chicago, whose economy is somewhere between a dumpster fire and Sarah Palin's career, gets new service IAH/HOU are
53 AVENSAB727 : Who knows what will happen tomorrow though, UA could be planning new routes as far as we know.
54 slcdeltarumd11 : For all we know united could have contract negotiations with the airport coming up and this is all strategy. Get a much lower price and lock it in for
55 yellowtail : Victory B6 and UP I didn't realize TA had dropped LAX-GUA The rationalization of frequencies of all carriers going into LIR is still happening. Alot
56 MarcoPoloWorld : Well, to me, the presence of a relatively obscure airline (XL) on this line, as well as the deployment last summer by AF of the A380 plus a second fr
57 knope2001 : The flight to SLC relies significnatly on connections west...either MKE-SLC or MSN-SLC. Routes like MSN-LAS and MSN-LAX via Salt Lake compete against
58 enilria : I guess. I think the problem (which I recently came to) is that in the USA the cost per enplaned passengers is not sufficiently different at the prim
59 NWAESC : Bingo.
60 tommy767 : I too feel the same about the relaunch of SFO-CDG. Seems half assed, IMHO. Would like to see SFO-CAN or IAH-SCL instead.
61 AVENSAB727 : Yea, but it doesn't mean UA will do that. IAH is UAs most profitable hub.
62 AVENSAB727 : I think IAH-SCL will happen at the same time as SFO-CAN. I am also hoping for IAH-HKG, EWR-CCS.
63 IrishAyes : There seems to be this IAH-fanboy fixation on playing the U/E rate card time after time again. While important, this isn't the end-all, be-all rule b
64 tommy767 : EWR-CCS and IAHJ-HKG will never happen. If anything, IAH will get more LatAm, no more to Asia and Europe
65 klwright69 : Actually CO served IAH-Paris nonstop for around 20 years. They started the flight when I was working at CO at DEN Stapleton. This was between 1991-199
66 AVENSAB727 : I see, I am still hoping for any chance of IAH-MAR.
67 Post contains images IrishAyes : My apologies. Either way, for the bulk of the 20+ years when CO flew Houston-Paris, oil was cheap. Times have changed. Funny you say that. This year,
68 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Oh of course not, because in all their network right sizing, clearly all the right sizing must fall on IAH, and not the small hub between two larger
69 AVENSAB727 : Gee, IAH was bloated and some service needed to be cut. UA will add routes out of IAH, probably more Lat Am service, just give it time, our patience
70 Post contains images ScottB : Fanboy of ad hominem attacks much? I'm actually not an "IAH-fanboy;" you could probably throw me in as a dumba-- UA management anti-fanboy. But since
71 AVENSAB727 : Nonsense. UA doesn't have to add routes to and from IAH, They have up gauged equipment on many flights out of IAH and added frequencies. If UA was "S
72 mah4546 : Zero chance. It's a closed market. No, I think that you just can't face the reality that UA is cutting IAH.
73 AVENSAB727 : I think you are wrong.
74 STT757 : CO used to fly that route with a daily 73G until Venezuela forced them to reduce their flights to only IAH. Also UA flew JFK-CCS-POS, so yes obviousl
75 ScottB : And how much have they cut? IAH-AUS/SAT used to be all mainline and now both are served predominantly by outsourced regional carriers. The A320's bei
76 AVENSAB727 : I guess you have not heard about cross fleeting.
77 tommy767 : The 1990s was a much different time. I highly doubt it.
78 AVENSAB727 : I remember there was a EWR-CCS flight back in 2001.
79 mah4546 : Wrong on what? The fact that UA keeps reducing IAH service or that Venezuela is closed to new entry? Neither is wrong. CO wasn't forced out. It ended
80 AVENSAB727 : That UA keeps reducing IAH, they just cut what was unprofitable.
81 enilria : They are cutting routes (since the CBP decision on HOU) at IAH that are superior to routes at other hubs that don't get cut. That's what is going on.
82 IrishAyes : Bear in mind that pmCO parred down CLE to its current level BEFORE the merger; if it was truly not generating the profits and yields needed to justif
83 mah4546 : Huh? So in the end, we at least agree that UA keeps cutting IAH.
84 AVENSAB727 : They did cut what was unprofitable at IAH. But no new cuts since.
85 ScottB : The damage wouldn't be from NK operating IAH-LIM; it would be from NK adding IAH-CUN/CZM/TLC/MTY/GDL/BZE/SAP/SJO. Besides, there really is little dif
86 mah4546 : Really? Because UA offers free carry-on, IFE, free drinks, free seat assignment, and reclining seats.
87 IrishAyes : You realize that a large volume of the IAH-Mexico traffic is connecting to other parts of the US, correct? NK won't be able to fill that function. An
88 767driver : With the exception of IFE and drinks, so does NK....if you're not using an overhead, choosing your seat at the kiosk, and on a 319
89 AVENSAB727 : I agree, but UA is not cutting profitable routes, many of those have seen up gauges in aircraft aswell as in frequency.
90 Post contains images LAXdude1023 : I'm not going to get into the IAH cheese and whine party because I've been to it too many times already and there's more density in those whine party'
91 AVENSAB727 : I think that could happen, The IAH whine party has gotten all but predictable for me.
92 IrishAyes : Thank you, for once, a sane, rational person who can actually support his statements with conclusive facts. Glad we're on the same page (per usual).
93 ScottB : Nope. At the back of the plane. I think one might be better off with the NK seat lottery. You haven't noticed that NK's current flights at IAH are do
94 AVENSAB727 : But I think you forgot seasonal adjustments.
95 AVENSAB727 : I wonder when the IAH whine party will end. irishayes was right about a lot here. I guess LAXdude1023 has a point in saying that he has gotten in to i
96 AVENSAB727 : I am pondering how AA could respond to KE.
97 mah4546 : Yup. First bag is free on UA, DL and AA to Mexico and Central America. DL also doesn't charge for the first bag to Haiti and the Dominican Republic w
98 MSPNWA : What's happened at IAH is what has happened at every fortress hub I can think of in the past 5 years. There's no better recipe for shrinking supply an
99 drerx7 : I'm a Houstonian and IAH'Fanboy", I've sat this debate out - IrishAyes and a few select others have made some valid points...EXCEPT This statement is
100 AVENSAB727 : Yeah, but I think UA will eventually win back alot of the customer base, this will blow over.[Edited 2013-01-29 18:10:27]
101 EricR : Please delete, please delete[Edited 2013-01-29 18:11:03]
102 FlyingSicilian : I concur with much of this. I am very interested in the goings-on at Texas airports including IAH/HOU-not sure I am a "fanboy" or not.... Much of the
103 MaverickM11 : All you've contributed is "maybe they'll add something soon!" and you just told us AA has a focus city in SFO so you don't get to point fingers about
104 AVENSAB727 : That was my mistake. but I think the ignorance is very much accurate. and all you have contributed is your continued stubborn argument about how IAH
105 COflyerBOS : Avensa- The only ignorant posts on these threads come from you. You keep stating that UA hasn't cut routes from IAH. When shown how many cuts have ind
106 IrishAyes : To Mexico/Latin America/Caribbean, yes, they do. Go to united.com and see for yourself. Suit yourself. If they sell connections, then so be it. Just
107 MaverickM11 : Let's just quickly review the new destinations UA has added to its hubs for this Spring/Summer, that were not flown last year: ORD: 9 CLE: 2 DEN: 7 E
108 point2point : Ouch..........
109 MaverickM11 : And for the same period, OA has added about 8-10 destinations at IAH and HOU each.
110 Post contains links boilerla : Why do Houstonians believe that they are entitled to some sort of holy grail status with UA, whereby they get flights added all the time? And convers
111 LAXdude1023 : I agree with a lot of what you said, but IAH does NOT rank poorly with regard to lucrative O&D. It's international O&D is some of the highest
112 AVENSAB727 : And how do you know they are facts.
113 AVENSAB727 : And many of those destinations are already served by IAH.
114 Post contains images enilria : A healthy debate in this week's thread. I think the OP should get a nickel for every post in his thread.
115 FlyingSicilian : They are facts. IAH is not even near the largest hub per capita, even though it is the 5th largest metro, but as noted above IAH has some massive int
116 AVENSAB727 : I see, but when it comes to traffic. It will switch back and forth seasonally with ORD.
117 Post contains images MaverickM11 : If it's a lucrative hub, why would they move resources to less profitable hubs, particularly when as a whole UA (and pretty much all legacy carriers)
118 AVENSAB727 : Lets just wait and see, maybe UA is saving IAH for last. Who knows.
119 ScottB : Check out how they schedule FLL. I'd say that the blind, persistent defense of UA is also relentless beyond all measurable means. But then when Smise
120 AVENSAB727 : But why does LOS has anything to do with WN/HOU PR. mistake by UA.
121 IrishAyes : What does it matter anyway? NK hasn't made a dent in AA's fortress at MIA. Whoa. I was never outright defending UA. If you actually read my post, eit
122 mah4546 : Not to mention AA has pretty much made NK an also-ran in FLLPAP. I believe Spirit was at twice daily at some point; now AA has two daily 738s and Spi
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