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Delta Buys 767 N764RD  
User currently offlineselmer40 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 98 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 28568 times:

On 24 Jan 13 Delta bought the 767-3Y0(ER) N764RD that last flew for Ryan Intl. All the other Delta 763s have over wing exits. This one does not. It has eight doors like the 764s. Time will tell if this a parts plane or a flying plane.


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User currently offlineBlueLine From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 28446 times:

Maybe use it for charters? I don't know about DL's fleet utilization, but I know they do a lot of charters for sports teams. I think they could use this ship for charters and keep a 763 in scheduled pax ops that would be used on a charter flight. Could they be taking a cue from UA with their United Charters 744 that Atlas returned to them last year?

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 28348 times:

1992 delivery (20 years old)
Been in storage since December 2011
different configuration than any other aircraft in the fleet
at least 9 previous operators

This looks most likely to be a parts plane.

Quoting BlueLine (Reply 1):
Maybe use it for charters? I don't know about DL's fleet utilization, but I know they do a lot of charters for sports teams. I think they could use this ship for charters and keep a 763 in scheduled pax ops that would be used on a charter flight.

There is plenty of slack in the current 767-300ER fleet.

They would not keep on specifically for charters.


User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 27851 times:

Quoting selmer40 (Thread starter):
All the other Delta 763s have over wing exits. This one does not.

Including the ex-Gulf Air 763's?


User currently offlinesxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 27727 times:

Guaranteed this is a parts plane. If DL wanted another aircraft to operate, there are much better options on the market.

User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6538 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 27612 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 3):

Including the ex-Gulf Air 763's?

The ex-Gulf Air aircraft have a single pair of overwing exits and three pairs of doors. This one has four pairs of doors and no overwing exits.



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1594 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 24535 times:

The door immediately behind the wing on either side is not a full size door, nor does it operate like the full size doors (ie it doesn't go up into the ceiling). It's just a bigger overwing exit--not over the wing.

User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 24031 times:

Not exactly. It's a hatch that falls down on a lower sill hinge but stays attached to the a/c. It's the same as the hatch on the 757.


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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1594 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 22183 times:

Quoting B727FA (Reply 8):
Not exactly. It's a hatch that falls down on a lower sill hinge but stays attached to the a/c. It's the same as the hatch on the 757.

And the 737NG except they hinge up. I guess we can agree its an exit not a door.


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9652 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 21991 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 9):
Quoting B727FA (Reply 8):
Not exactly. It's a hatch that falls down on a lower sill hinge but stays attached to the a/c. It's the same as the hatch on the 757.

And the 737NG except they hinge up. I guess we can agree its an exit not a door.

It's the same as the 737-900ER mid cabin door. It's not the same mechanism as the overwing exit and it is larger.



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User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 21580 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 9):
And the 737NG except they hinge up. I guess we can agree its an exit not a door.

Except that it's not an OWE. And it doesn't "spring."



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 20387 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):

1992 delivery (20 years old)
Been in storage since December 2011
different configuration than any other aircraft in the fleet
at least 9 previous operators

This looks most likely to be a parts plane.

Anything else would be very strange. Buying a 20 year old 767 and operating it is third-world level.


User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 20282 times:

Quoting na (Reply 12):
Anything else would be very strange. Buying a 20 year old 767 and operating it is third-world level.

What an utterly ridiculous and uninformed statement. The entire Delta fleet strategy is based upon a mix of pre-owned aircraft with low opportunity costs, and newer proven airframes. A low cycle 763 is entirely within that strategy.


User currently offlineB757forever From United States of America, joined May 2010, 401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 19922 times:

This is a parts aircraft. Engines, landing gear, flight controls and specific LRUs will be harvested. The rest will go to the fiery furnace!  

User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 888 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 19726 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):

1992 delivery (20 years old)
Been in storage since December 2011
different configuration than any other aircraft in the fleet
at least 9 previous operators

It was 19 years old when it went into storage and was most recently with a charter carrier, do we know much about it life before Ryan? 19 is young still for a 767, and especially if it was with charter carriers, it probably has low utilization. I'm curious if the price was right and this is intended to replace an older, more utilized DL 763ER at the end of its life. How big of a deal is it that is has a different door configuration, especially if they're able to fit the same number of seats as the rest of their 763ERs? It still has pretty good commonality with the rest of DL's 763 fleet.


User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 19721 times:

Quoting B757forever (Reply 14):
This is a parts aircraft. Engines, landing gear, flight controls and specific LRUs will be harvested. The rest will go to the fiery furnace!

And you're right. But others who say that a 20-year old airplane is a third world level move, simply don't understand Delta at all.


User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1644 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 19570 times:

I have seen Ryan aircraft at DL's ATL maintenance facility on many occasions. Probably had the contract to maintain them so they would be well aware of exactly what condition the aircraft is in. Plus DL has several 76's in temp storage in the desert they can pul out at any time.


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20647 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 19575 times:

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 15):
do we know much about it life before Ryan?

Easy enough to see:

http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b767-26204.htm



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User currently offlineAerowrench From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 19482 times:

Is there a 767 fleet coordinator from Delta on here? If not, I would think it safe to assume the aircraft will be placed into revenue service. A different door/exit config hasn't yet stopped Delta:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Delta...d=21d349da90068b8956c8d86dca772c9f


User currently offlinemcg From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 814 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 19478 times:

How much did DL pay for this airplane?

User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2194 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 19394 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 16):
And you're right. But others who say that a 20-year old airplane is a third world level move, simply don't understand Delta at all.

How many 20 year old planes has DL bought and put into service?


User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6538 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 19355 times:

Quoting Aerowrench (Reply 19):
Is there a 767 fleet coordinator from Delta on here? If not, I would think it safe to assume the aircraft will be placed into revenue service. A different door/exit config hasn't yet stopped Delta:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Delta...72c9f

Operating only one aircraft with this oddball exit layout doesn't make any economic sense. DL has seven aircraft with the exit layout you posted (6 ex-Gulf Air and one ex-Asiana), and that subfleet seems large enough to be economically feasible.



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User currently offlineAerowrench From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 19246 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 21):

How many 20 year old planes has DL bought and put into service?

I think airlines look at total time and total cycles before they look at the year of original delivery. Aluminum fatigue is a function of pressurization cycles, not age.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 22):

Operating only one aircraft with this oddball exit layout doesn't make any economic sense. DL has seven aircraft with the exit layout you posted (6 ex-Gulf Air and one ex-Asiana), and that subfleet seems large enough to be economically feasible.

I'm pretty well certain that six of the eight doors installed on the aircraft are identical in nature to the doors on the remainder of Delta's 767 fleet. Even if for some very strange reason Boeing went with a different door design for this particular airplane, I don't think the economics would make much of a difference when compared to what the company has determined to be cost effective. On that note, I'm pretty sure that Delta Airlines knows a thing or two about aircraft acquisition.

[Edited 2013-01-29 13:37:15]

User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2194 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 19079 times:

Quoting Aerowrench (Reply 23):
I think airlines look at total time and total cycles before they look at the year of original delivery. Aluminum fatigue is a function of pressurization cycles, not age.

I'll amend my previous statement. How many used widebodies has DL bought and put into service in the past...lets say 5 years?


User currently offlineAerowrench From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 19376 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 24):
I'll amend my previous statement. How many used widebodies has DL bought and put into service in the past...lets say 5 years?

You could argue quite a few when considering all the widebody aircraft that came along with the purchase of Northwest Airlines.


25 rlwynn : How many did they get when they bought all of the NW widebodies?
26 Post contains images Polot : That is a completely different scenario (and only falls within the past 5 years by 4 months ), you guys know what I mean. That said every widebody th
27 Aerowrench : I really haven't got the slightest clue if they are flying any used widebodies. What I can speculate on however, is that the company may be following
28 deltairlines : Only used widebodies in the fleet that are used to my knowledge are the 7 76G aircraft (the 6 ex-Gulf and the 1 ex-Asiana). All 767-400s and 777s wer
29 Polot : All of which DL obtained 15 years ago ('97-'98) and were only 3 to 7 years old at the time of their purchase.
30 Spacepope : True, but market conditions have changed in the past 5 years substantially. I could see this as quick and cheap fleet augmentation like when NW got t
31 Polot : Does DL really need to augment their 763ER fleet though? I have seen nothing that suggests that the current fleet is stretched thin or that they are
32 PSU.DTW.SCE : However, DL does not have an immediate need to augment their international widebody fleet. They have plenty of 767-300ERs and capacity in the current
33 1337Delta764 : I would agree. However, if UA were to retire their 764ERs, DL would surely pick them up in a flash.
34 Polot : True, but I think we both know the chances of that happening anytime soon.
35 Post contains links akelley728 : Not quite 20 years old but in 2010 Delta aquired the then 17 year-old N624AG (757-2Q8). The Delta TOC refurbished it into a 75E configuration and fin
36 Viscount724 : NW acquired many used DC-10-30s in the 1990s and operated them very reliably for another 10 to 12 years. Two ex-KLM aircraft were 23 years old when t
37 Capt.Fantastic : Delta will begin operating 767s on JFK-LAX: Which of Delta's 767s will be used on this route and how will they be configured? Could this aircraft have
38 gdg9 : I'd be curious at that figure as well.
39 Spacepope : Bingo, like I alluded to in reply 31. Delta puts several hundred hours on its 763 fleet every day. Some of the older 763s must be getting up there in
40 jbmitt : With 94 767's in the fleet.. I'd be willing to bet that they exceed several hundred hours and are into the the 1000s of hours depending on flights an
41 B757forever : Indeed. Ship 171, the first 767-332ER delivered to DL is approaching 23 years in service and has logged over 100,000 hours and around 14,000 cycles a
42 Spacepope : As of 11/12/2012 she had 104,263 hours and 15,227 cycles. Wow. That being said, if N764RD got the same TLC from Delta during her time at Ryan as N171
43 NorthstarBoy : Except that DL does not have a dedicated First, only Business and Coach. From what I understand, AA will be operating a subfleet of 3 class A321s on
44 Spacepope : BTW for the record, though it was parked in 12/2011, the last record I can find is from January of that year. 59,809 hours for N764RD, 13,727 cycles.
45 gatechae : Just out of curiosity, how would operating one aircraft with a different interior layout affect DL economically?
46 rwy04lga : Delta has first class in the US, Business elite internationally.
47 Post contains images Deltal1011man : Its a part out airplane. Delta has more international aircraft than they know what to do with as it is. uhh...ok. This 67 has only doors. The 767-332
48 cslusarc : Given that DL has bought this ex-RD aircraft, do you think that it would be a good idea if DL bought from IFLC the Airbus A330 (MSN 343 - N772RD) that
49 lufbra : isn't this the G-configuration? Delta purchased old Gulf Air aircrafts long time ago and they, also, don't have overwing exits.
50 panamair : No, the 76G has one overwing exit.
51 Deltal1011man : Not sure why would want it. Again, right now Delta has more international airplanes than they know what to do with.
52 PSU.DTW.SCE : They do not need more international aircraft at the time. Plus, that A330-200 is significantly older than any of the rest of the A330s in DL's fleet.
53 Aerowrench : So you're a 767 fleet coordinator at Delta? I am well aware of the over-wing exits. What is your point here? I'm not going to argue this, I will just
54 CODC10 : SAG used to, but this requirement is no longer in force. AA is banking on the fact that there are still enough travelers in the market who demand a 3
55 Spacepope : Sorta tangental: the MD-90 that flew out to Blytheville last week: is that a parts bird for DL? It was registered to the ferry company (Southern Cros
56 cornutt : Well, once upon a time there were those L1011's that they took home from the Eastern yard sale... those weren't quite 20 years old, but some of them
57 akelley728 : Yes, it's an ex-Lionair ship (N459BC / former PK-LIK). It hasn't been confirmed that this will be a parts bird, but if it went to Blytheville (where
58 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : I like your comment on this childish tirade. Here we go again..........
59 deltabobo : Think about it from a cost-to-benefit standpoint. N764RD was a metric aircraft, DL aircraft are based in pounds. Plus, I'm sure DL is wanting those PW
60 Post contains images Deltal1011man : That they aren't going to add an airplane that will have to have its own sub-fleet. Nah just not stupid enough to think that the company is going to
61 rwy04lga : Yeah, yeah. I know. Didn't want to bother editing post. 'Settling in, not just settling' I see the banner every day. How does BE on the 76 compare to
62 audidudi : Does anyone know of the exact whereabouts of N764RD at the present time?
63 na : I know Delta operates many old planes and well kept there is little to say against it. But they dont buy THAT old metal that on top has seen many ope
64 GCT64 : It's at MZJ I believe. Arrived there on 10 Dec 11 from RFD.
65 catiii : This is a different point altogether. You made the blanket generalization posted below which, I maintain, is a ridiculous statement. Depending on the
66 cokepopper : I believe Delta is up to 21 Used MD-80's for parts. At least according to the recent earnings call Q&A
67 SkyTeamTriStar : RA has said this week on his phone call message that the company will be acquiring several MD-80-series birds for spare parts. There are about 5-6 alr
68 SkyTeamTriStar : Thanks for an update. I stand corrected.
69 B757forever : I believe the MD80 acquisition from SAS will total 23 airframes.
70 dtw9 : You're correct and per the latest conference call all 23 are now locked in. The thing I wonder about is, has Delta now purchased the MD-90's from SAS
71 Post contains links akelley728 : This week's Airwaysmag.com Fleet Update shows the following: 767-3Y0 (ER) N764RD 26204/LN 464 BF GECAS 1/11/13 ex PR-VAD (parts plane) http://www.airw
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