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Lufthansa Plans To Buy A380!  
User currently offlineDelta777-XXX From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1017 posts, RR: 8
Posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

"Lufthansa Plans To Buy Airbus Super-Jumbos

Sep 10, 2001

Lufthansa is reported to be planning to place an order for 15 of Airbus Industrie's planned A380 super jumbo aircraft.

A proposal will be put to the supervisory board in mid-September, a spokeswoman told AFP.

The announcement ends months of uncertainty over exactly how many of the giant long-haul jets - none of which have yet been built - the German carrier aimed to buy.

Chairman Juergen Weber had told Der Spiegel recently that Lufthansa planned to buy some A380s, but did not reveal how many.

Analysts had been expecting five or six at most. 'A company like Lufthansa simply cannot allow itself not to order the A380 because its cost per seat is 15 per cent to 20 per cent lower than for comparable aircraft,' Mr Weber had said.

However, Lufthansa did not intend to break off its relations with Boeing, Airbus' rival and maker of the 747, which has dominated the jumbo-jet market for decades, the chairman said.

Mr Weber said that he would also like to replace Lufthansa's entire fleet of eight 747-200 aircraft with 'four bigger and more modern 747-400s.
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wow, why so many?

Hank  Big thumbs up




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User currently offlineSQ325 From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 1451 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1862 times:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

For all B747 lovers these A380 could be a problem.
But honestly!
I see a trend coming up, more and more Airlines are placing orders for the A380 and I'm not really convinced that all of these operators can fill up a A380 with passengers.
LH wants to serve routes to India, Japan, Singapore and more. But is there a need for the A380?

It is the same play, like when the B747 was introduced into service, every carrier bigger or less bigger wanted to operate the B747.
Some of them went into bankruptcy and some survived badly hidden. (I'm to lazy to look up the names but I have a book where this topic is discussed)
Hopefully I'm not correct with my thoughts but the A380 will lead to the financial crash of some Airlines.


User currently offlineVictor From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1848 times:

Guess which airlines will order A380 too ?
I guess may be Cathay and JAL ..


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1842 times:

Lufthansa is one of the few companies that can fill an A380 on some routes. But note that they are currently reducing the number of FRA-JFK flights.

Charles


User currently offlineTravellin'man From United States of America, joined May 2001, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1835 times:

I don't know a lot about Lufthansa routes, but I would be surprised if they took 15. I am guessing that it will be broken down into some firm orders and the rest options. I fly LAX-FRA once a year, and when it's the 744 it's always full. I'm sure FRA to JFK, Tokyo, Delhi, and Singapore are too, and could therefore use the added capacity.
But I am especially curious about one thing. Not only is the added capacity a challenge to fill on the A380, but what happens when an airline is flying one on the same route with another airline that has also upgraded to an A380? For example, what if LH wants an A380 for FRA-Singapore, but SQ is also using one on that route? Doesn't that make it even harder to fill those birds?
Any thoughts?



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1831 times:

Given the trend of increasing traffic on the longhaul routes (due in part to increased demand, and in part to reduced frequency (many carriers are reducing their number of longhaul flights, hiding the facts by combining them with partners so the number of codes remains the same while the number of aircraft is reduced. For example KLM-Malaysian on the AMS-KUL routes and on to Sidney)) using larger aircraft on these routes is a logical choice. Since the A380 is the only option at the moment for someone wanting something larger than a 747, the choice is obvious for airlines operating these routes.


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User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1822 times:


Re. filling an A380,

the 380 isn't that much larger than a 744 as to it being difficult to fill for an airline that already flies 744s, in 2006 onwards when the 380s wil become available. A factor that makes it easier to fill is the lower operating cost per passenger.

The breakeven point of a 380 is only a handful (I forget exactly how many, 20?) more pax than for a 744.



User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10655 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1827 times:

For all those still thinking the A380 is too big:
Last week I went to book holidays in the Far East, Bali included. I´ll go end of October, almost two months from now.
I wanted to fly Qantas. All flight on a 747-400 are already fully booked.
Then I asked after Thai: all 747-400-flights fully booked.
Then SIA and CX, all flying with 747-400s too. Only a handful of economy seats were still free.

I think the A380 is needed badly. Now!


User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1801 times:

More power to any airline that orders the A380... if they can fill it and make money with it, great! I just don't want to hear complaints from passengers on this plane that it takes SO long to board / deplane.

-nate


User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1794 times:

How long does it take to board/deplane a Japan domestic 747 with 624 pax (genuine question)?

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineSQ325 From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 1451 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1769 times:

Hey Airsicknessbag I was just thinking on the same question.
How long will the turn around time will be?
There are so many questions to the A380.
I'm excited to see the A380 at crowded airports like JFK or FRA.


User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1749 times:


There's info on the turnaround time in Airbus's website. Apparently the turnaround time has been an important design issue and according to the flow analyses they quote the time will be in the low end of 744 with 388 and the high end of 744 with the planned 389.



User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32624 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1742 times:

This plane can fill up easily. New York, Tokyo, San Francisco, Miami, Los Angeles, New Delhi. The list goes on. I congratulate Lufthansa on thier purchase (and, BTW, they are buying more 744s (5, I think), too).


a.
User currently offlineMlsrar From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1734 times:

Airbus' website, a perfectly unbiased source of information...

McDonnell-Douglas published literature about the fantastic range performance and unbelievably low seat-mile performance of the -11; then it flew.

Boeing and Airbus both claim to manufacture the lowest actual operating cost single-aisle airframes...who do you believe?

The IL-96 300M is equipped with PW engines and Rockwell avionics, holds 32 LD3 containers, and is hardly marketed, and has little information from the manufacturer, but I'd believe what the operators say, not the manufacturer.



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User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1704 times:

Hasn't this been posted several times in the last few days?


"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1676 times:

I've said this before: The 380 is not all the much bigger than the 744 capacity-wise.

It will be easily digested into the airport infrastructure. No airline that is operating 744's is going to go bankrupt flying the 380. It's a logical evolution in size and seat mile cost reduction (not huge..but significant).


I would worry about Qatar and Emirates, however. That is a huge capacity increase for them...


User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32624 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1670 times:

Greg, Qatar and Emirates are the two one should least worry about. They are come from oil rich nations, and are purchasing A380s more for the fact that they can easily afford them and use them as a status symbol. They planes can go around the world half empty, it does not matter, because Qatar and Emirates can easily eat up any costs.


a.
User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8061 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1666 times:

Can't believe we're still on the 'A380 is too big'. I saw an article en route that mentioned UK traffic ovements have risen 25% in the last 5 years. The A380 can't be here soon enough.

Emirates are more than ready for a big A380 / 744 size jet, they have three 777 flights a day at LHR, at least two are 777-300s and they're all full of beyond-Dubai traffic - Emirates after all fly to absolutely everywhere in Asia and also Sydney / Melbourne. Qatar A380s will be able to have a football field inside cos there ain't gonna be any people on 'em. I think they're going to do an all-cabin version like the A319CJ they are using or planning to use with cabins on Heathrow-Doha-onward.



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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1654 times:

Excellent news. SIA and LH will be able to you know. i can't think of that word. Oh yes, complement eachother's route networks and planes with this revolutionary new aircraft. hoorah.


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User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1651 times:

for all the guys who say the A380 will ruin some airlines.
well, i don´t know. i wouldn´t think so, but it´s still 5 years to go before the first A380 enters into service, and just think of how air trafic has grown during the last couple of years, and what additional growth is expected to take place the following ones!!!
btw, if LH claims they could fill the A380 already today on flights to JFK, SIN, NRT and DEL, they´ll certainly be able to do so in five years...
and that certainly counts for other airlines as well...

rgds
daniel



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User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1653 times:

I'm not the least bit worried about Emirates and Qatar--I'm aware they are state run.

I just don't think either has the capacity on many routes to operate them profitably (not that it matters....).


User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32624 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1634 times:

Greg, you got it right on the money. It does not matter if Emirates and/or Qatar can't fill up thier planes, they can suffer and survive. But I disagree with you that Emirates won't be able to fill-up A380s. They are EXTREMELY succsesful. They already fly three daily flights to LHR, two with 777-300s, as someone already mentioned. And the way they configure thier A380s, which will, I'm positive, have a lot of business and first (and maybe a fourth class?), it might not be much larger capacity wise over a 747-400.


a.
User currently offlineJbangert From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1633 times:

Apart from JAL and Cathay, BA and US airlines must start to be concerned about being put at a disadvantage if they can't offer A380 service and comfort when their European and Asian competitors do. I would not be too surprised if United or Northwest were the first US airlines ordering the A380 given their large Airbus fleets.

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