LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22023 posts, RR: 51 Posted (3 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2932 times:
Going head to head with AirTran/Southwest, United today applied with the DOT for authority to commence service between Austin Texas and San Jose del Cabo, Mexico.
United informs the DOT that it seeks to offer weekend service utilizing A319 aircraft commencing on or about June 6, 2013. (FL begins its flight June 2nd)
OST-2013-TBA
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 522 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (3 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2935 times:
Looks like UA is starting to Kick back at WN. Wont be long before they do so in Houston.
TWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 753 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (3 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2866 times:
Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 1): Looks like UA is starting to Kick back at WN. Wont be long before they do so in Houston.
I don't think this is their response. sCO has done stuff like this before, remember AUS/RDU-CUN? Those were once weekly, and seasonal if memory serves me correctly, and to compete with DL. There are more of those types of routes, like LGA-AUA, and a lot in Micronesia.
Quoting cle757 (Reply 2): That would be great it the route was CLE-AUS-SJD!
As a sidebar, I think sCO CLE-LAX-HNL/OGG are CLE based crew. Had one on LAX-OGG a few years ago.
There's nothing like the smell of Jet-A in the morning. It smells like... VICTORY!!!
AVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 522 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (3 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2824 times:
rlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 989 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2117 times:
I think a lot to with has to do with Austins population of former residents from Washington and California where Cabo has been a traditional destination.
ScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6358 posts, RR: 34 Reply 9, posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1885 times:
Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 3): sCO has done stuff like this before, remember AUS/RDU-CUN? Those were once weekly, and seasonal if memory serves me correctly, and to compete with DL.
But there's no reason for UA to run these flights without a competitor in the non-stop market from the spoke. I'd expect that they've seen enough of an impact on AUS-IAH-CUN to try to defend connections to SJD with FL entering the market. The timing of UA's launch leaves little to the imagination.
RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2158 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1830 times:
Quoting ScottB (Reply 9): But there's no reason for UA to run these flights without a competitor in the non-stop market from the spoke. I'd expect that they've seen enough of an impact on AUS-IAH-CUN to try to defend connections to SJD with FL entering the market. The timing of UA's launch leaves little to the imagination
IMHO, this and other future announced routes like this, are UA's way of providing consistent pre-emptive shots across WN's bow, in regards to WN entering Texas to anywhere south of the border, a market UA provides a lot of traffic for, and most likely a money making enterprise considering the big players they are in bed with down in that region. Just my 2 cents
Next Flights: AS PDX-SEA-KOA on DH4/738 in F, HA KOA-OGG on 717 in Y, AS OGG-PDX on 738 in F
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15720 posts, RR: 48 Reply 11, posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1784 times:
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 10): UA's way of providing consistent pre-emptive shots across WN's bow, in regards to WN entering Texas to anywhere south of the border
"WN, you can have our hub but this discretionary, cheap, seasonal traffic from a spoke is ours"
EricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1447 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1756 times:
Quoting ScottB (Reply 9): Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 3):
sCO has done stuff like this before, remember AUS/RDU-CUN? Those were once weekly, and seasonal if memory serves me correctly, and to compete with DL.
But there's no reason for UA to run these flights without a competitor in the non-stop market from the spoke. I'd expect that they've seen enough of an impact on AUS-IAH-CUN to try to defend connections to SJD with FL entering the market. The timing of UA's launch leaves little to the imagination.
My initial reaction was also that this was to serve as seasonal as well. AUS (University of Texas) - Cabo (spring break). Perhaps the flight from IAH-SJD is showing solid bookings thus the necessity to serve the route N/S seasonally from select locations (ie. AUS).
EricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1447 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1661 times:
Quoting RDH3E (Reply 13): Quoting EricR (Reply 12):
My initial reaction was also that this was to serve as seasonal as well. AUS (University of Texas) - Cabo (spring break).
Spring Break is March though, this route is starting in June.
Yes, I know. I was just giving examples of scenarios that may have lead up to the decision to start the route (especially considering the route is less than daily). Perhaps not the best example when factoring in the start date, however, spring break will be back in 2014.
LoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3637 posts, RR: 38 Reply 15, posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1634 times:
Quoting EricR (Reply 14): Perhaps not the best example when factoring in the state date, however, spring break will be back in 2014.
But both WN & UA are applying for summer seasonal service, so spring breakers still won't be able to take advantage of these flights next year.
2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 1995 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1613 times:
I don't how much AUS could be considered an IAH reliever so for UA launch P2P routes from AUS to UA non-hub destinations. But If that was the case, sure they're a couple of destinations which could probably sustain some kind of weekly (weekend) UA service out of AUS: IMHO MEX (or TLC), CUN, BZE, MBJ even UA pal CM PTY hub may prove to be suitable candidates.
Heck, UA should also think MKE is to ORD what AUS is to IAH, so to study flights from MKE to those mentioned above plus to SJD and - given the Central American demographics in L.A. - an ONT-SAL..
DFWHeavy From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 464 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1583 times:
SJD is a Hot Hot Market.. I wouldn't be surprised if either or both airlines went multiple times weekly or daily and year round at some point in the not too distant future.
We are going for our 3rd time in July. That will be 3 visits in 12 months. Every time we go it's fairly crowded and the plane is full.
FreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 204 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1351 times:
There used to be a low-cost Mexican carrier called Viva Aerobus that had flights to Austin, from a few airports in Mexico. But they had their problems, so had to pull out.
Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 6): For sure! It's a great city that has so much potential! And they have the runways and taxiways to support heavy aircraft!
They can surely handle big planes, too. A few months ago, there was a UA 747 chartered for a Brazil trip for the Formula One drivers.
Quoting rlwynn (Reply 8): I think a lot to with has to do with Austins population of former residents from Washington and California where Cabo has been a traditional destination.
Not only the former expatriates that have moved, but SEA/AUS are also music and computer capitals.While on this subject, AUS can definitely support a second SEA-AUS trip; Alaska does extremely well with it.How about it, UA??
yellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5149 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1340 times:
Less likely this...
Quoting EricR (Reply 12): Perhaps the flight from IAH-SJD is showing solid bookings thus the necessity to serve the route N/S seasonally from select locations (ie. AUS).
And more likely this....
Quoting ScottB (Reply 9): I'd expect that they've seen enough of an impact on AUS-IAH-CUN to try to defend connections to SJD with FL entering the market. The timing of UA's launch leaves little to the imagination.
When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
boeing773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 320 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 824 times:
SJD is a very large market right now; lot's of demand. Time shares are selling like their is no tomorrow, they make a deal with you that you can't resist. I know this because we went down with some family and a family member went on one of the tour just to get the free incentive. Now they own 3 weeks down in SJD.
I've flown down to SJD in October for the past two years; and both of the flights have been very full. There is certainly a lot of demand to go there. I just wish UA would have daily non-stop flights from EWR; instead of just Sa/Su. I think part of the problem of Northeast-SJD is that it is a very long trip on the day you leave. You leave your hotel at 10 AM to get to the airport; and don't get home till 4 AM the next day with all the transit.
But honestly; there is no other place in the world like Cabo!
DFWHeavy From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 464 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 595 times:
United could make SJD work at least once daily from all its hubs (except maybe Cleveland). Southwest and now Spirit will be going down there. I think they will have a lot of success. Spirit for example is pricing out about half the price of AA from Dallas and that's if you add one carry on and 2 checked bags in the price. I think they will do quite well considering it's on a short 2 hour flight.
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