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United Applies For Austin - Cabo  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25741 posts, RR: 50
Posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3914 times:

Going head to head with AirTran/Southwest, United today applied with the DOT for authority to commence service between Austin Texas and San Jose del Cabo, Mexico.

United informs the DOT that it seeks to offer weekend service utilizing A319 aircraft commencing on or about June 6, 2013. (FL begins its flight June 2nd)


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User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 944 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3917 times:

Looks like UA is starting to Kick back at WN. Wont be long before they do so in Houston.

[Edited 2013-01-30 17:03:34]


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User currently onlinecle757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3901 times:

That would be great it the route was CLE-AUS-SJD!


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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2185 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3848 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 1):
Looks like UA is starting to Kick back at WN. Wont be long before they do so in Houston.

I don't think this is their response. sCO has done stuff like this before, remember AUS/RDU-CUN? Those were once weekly, and seasonal if memory serves me correctly, and to compete with DL. There are more of those types of routes, like LGA-AUA, and a lot in Micronesia.

Quoting cle757 (Reply 2):
That would be great it the route was CLE-AUS-SJD!

As a sidebar, I think sCO CLE-LAX-HNL/OGG are CLE based crew. Had one on LAX-OGG a few years ago.



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User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 944 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3806 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 3):

Thanks for the correction. I bet their real response will come soon.



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User currently offlinewilliam From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3806 times:

Might be time for Austin to add more gates.

User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2185 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3767 times:

Quoting william (Reply 5):
Might be time for Austin to add more gates.

For sure! It's a great city that has so much potential! And they have the runways and taxiways to support heavy aircraft!



Go coogs! \n//
User currently offlineDualQual From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3163 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 3):

LAX-Hawaii on sCO 737s was CLE and is now LAX cockpit crews. FAs can come from any base. 757 flying is mixed between IAH and EWR for sCO airplanes.


User currently offlinerlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1093 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3099 times:

I think a lot to with has to do with Austins population of former residents from Washington and California where Cabo has been a traditional destination.


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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6793 posts, RR: 32
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2867 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 3):
sCO has done stuff like this before, remember AUS/RDU-CUN? Those were once weekly, and seasonal if memory serves me correctly, and to compete with DL.

But there's no reason for UA to run these flights without a competitor in the non-stop market from the spoke. I'd expect that they've seen enough of an impact on AUS-IAH-CUN to try to defend connections to SJD with FL entering the market. The timing of UA's launch leaves little to the imagination.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3368 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2812 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 9):
But there's no reason for UA to run these flights without a competitor in the non-stop market from the spoke. I'd expect that they've seen enough of an impact on AUS-IAH-CUN to try to defend connections to SJD with FL entering the market. The timing of UA's launch leaves little to the imagination

IMHO, this and other future announced routes like this, are UA's way of providing consistent pre-emptive shots across WN's bow, in regards to WN entering Texas to anywhere south of the border, a market UA provides a lot of traffic for, and most likely a money making enterprise considering the big players they are in bed with down in that region. Just my 2 cents



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17659 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 10):
UA's way of providing consistent pre-emptive shots across WN's bow, in regards to WN entering Texas to anywhere south of the border

"WN, you can have our hub but this discretionary, cheap, seasonal traffic from a spoke is ours"  



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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2738 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 9):
Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 3):
sCO has done stuff like this before, remember AUS/RDU-CUN? Those were once weekly, and seasonal if memory serves me correctly, and to compete with DL.

But there's no reason for UA to run these flights without a competitor in the non-stop market from the spoke. I'd expect that they've seen enough of an impact on AUS-IAH-CUN to try to defend connections to SJD with FL entering the market. The timing of UA's launch leaves little to the imagination.



My initial reaction was also that this was to serve as seasonal as well. AUS (University of Texas) - Cabo (spring break). Perhaps the flight from IAH-SJD is showing solid bookings thus the necessity to serve the route N/S seasonally from select locations (ie. AUS).


User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1726 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 12):
My initial reaction was also that this was to serve as seasonal as well. AUS (University of Texas) - Cabo (spring break).

Spring Break is March though, this route is starting in June.


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2643 times:

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 13):
Quoting EricR (Reply 12):
My initial reaction was also that this was to serve as seasonal as well. AUS (University of Texas) - Cabo (spring break).

Spring Break is March though, this route is starting in June.

Yes, I know. I was just giving examples of scenarios that may have lead up to the decision to start the route (especially considering the route is less than daily). Perhaps not the best example when factoring in the start date, however, spring break will be back in 2014.  

[Edited 2013-01-31 08:36:53]

User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3856 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 14):
Perhaps not the best example when factoring in the state date, however, spring break will be back in 2014.

But both WN & UA are applying for summer seasonal service, so spring breakers still won't be able to take advantage of these flights next year.

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 15):
Quoting EricR (Reply 14):
Yes, I know. I was just giving examples of scenarios that may have lead up to the decision to start the route


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2656 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2595 times:

I don't how much AUS could be considered an IAH reliever so for UA launch P2P routes from AUS to UA non-hub destinations. But If that was the case, sure they're a couple of destinations which could probably sustain some kind of weekly (weekend) UA service out of AUS: IMHO MEX (or TLC), CUN, BZE, MBJ even UA pal CM PTY hub may prove to be suitable candidates.
Heck, UA should also think MKE is to ORD what AUS is to IAH, so to study flights from MKE to those mentioned above plus to SJD and - given the Central American demographics in L.A. - an ONT-SAL..



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User currently offlineDFWHeavy From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2565 times:

SJD is a Hot Hot Market.. I wouldn't be surprised if either or both airlines went multiple times weekly or daily and year round at some point in the not too distant future.

We are going for our 3rd time in July. That will be 3 visits in 12 months. Every time we go it's fairly crowded and the plane is full.



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User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2333 times:
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There used to be a low-cost Mexican carrier called Viva Aerobus that had flights to Austin, from a few airports in Mexico. But they had their problems, so had to pull out.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 6):
For sure! It's a great city that has so much potential! And they have the runways and taxiways to support heavy aircraft!

They can surely handle big planes, too. A few months ago, there was a UA 747 chartered for a Brazil trip for the Formula One drivers.

Quoting rlwynn (Reply 8):
I think a lot to with has to do with Austins population of former residents from Washington and California where Cabo has been a traditional destination.

Not only the former expatriates that have moved, but SEA/AUS are also music and computer capitals.While on this subject, AUS can definitely support a second SEA-AUS trip; Alaska does extremely well with it.How about it, UA??


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6220 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

Less likely this...

Quoting EricR (Reply 12):
Perhaps the flight from IAH-SJD is showing solid bookings thus the necessity to serve the route N/S seasonally from select locations (ie. AUS).

And more likely this....

Quoting ScottB (Reply 9):
I'd expect that they've seen enough of an impact on AUS-IAH-CUN to try to defend connections to SJD with FL entering the market. The timing of UA's launch leaves little to the imagination.



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User currently offlineboeing773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 434 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1806 times:

SJD is a very large market right now; lot's of demand. Time shares are selling like their is no tomorrow, they make a deal with you that you can't resist. I know this because we went down with some family and a family member went on one of the tour just to get the free incentive. Now they own 3 weeks down in SJD.

I've flown down to SJD in October for the past two years; and both of the flights have been very full. There is certainly a lot of demand to go there. I just wish UA would have daily non-stop flights from EWR; instead of just Sa/Su. I think part of the problem of Northeast-SJD is that it is a very long trip on the day you leave. You leave your hotel at 10 AM to get to the airport; and don't get home till 4 AM the next day with all the transit.

But honestly; there is no other place in the world like Cabo!



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User currently offlineDFWHeavy From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1577 times:

United could make SJD work at least once daily from all its hubs (except maybe Cleveland). Southwest and now Spirit will be going down there. I think they will have a lot of success. Spirit for example is pricing out about half the price of AA from Dallas and that's if you add one carry on and 2 checked bags in the price. I think they will do quite well considering it's on a short 2 hour flight.


Does SJD have any plans on expanding?

[Edited 2013-01-31 19:10:25]


Christopher W Slovacek
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