MJBATC12 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 42 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4470 times:
I heared from a friend who works TSA at BDL that B6 to start a red eye flight LAX-BDL is a "hot topic" around BDL... Any thoughts when and if this will happen, and what else?
spinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1001 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (3 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4150 times:
I'd love that route. America West used to fly it in the late 90s or so.
I live in SW Connecticut. I could deal with a redeye to Hartford. The redeyes to JFK are just too shocking to the system. No sane friends will pick me up then, and its a trek to get the airtrain to long term parking and then battle the Van Wyck's rush hour traffic. That's the worst part for me.
USAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2681 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (3 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4006 times:
Quoting spinkid (Reply 2): America West used to fly it in the late 90s or so.
I don't recall HP ever flying BDL-LAX. The only airlines that I know of that flew BDL-LAX were AA and DL. AA flew BDL-LAX in the late nineties with an 738.
jporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 358 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3888 times:
Would there be enough capacity to fill a daily (nightly?) A320? I think there might be enough capacity to fill a daily E190, but I don't think B6 likes to use E190s on cross-country flights (even though they have the AR version, which has the legs to do LAX-BDL). I think they might get away with 2x-3x weekly A320. Anyone know the PDEW for the route?
laca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3749 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3689 times:
Quoting jporterfi (Reply 5): Would there be enough capacity to fill a daily (nightly?) A320? I think there might be enough capacity to fill a daily E190, but I don't think B6 likes to use E190s on cross-country flights (even though they have the AR version, which has the legs to do LAX-BDL). I think they might get away with 2x-3x weekly A320. Anyone know the PDEW for the route?
. B6 could really use some A319s for longer, thin routes, where the A320 struggles in the winter with head winds, and in markets where the A320 is too large and the E90s would also struggle.
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4537 posts, RR: 13 Reply 7, posted (3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3565 times:
While I think the demand fro BDL-LAX is there, im not sure if B6 is the best airline for it, seing they have less than 10% market share on each end. I think a return of Delta service would be the scenario with the best chance of success.
TSA is probably the least credible source for air service items though, even at the supervisor level.
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
flyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 852 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (3 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3477 times:
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 7): While I think the demand fro BDL-LAX is there, im not sure if B6 is the best airline for it, seing they have less than 10% market share on each end. I think a return of Delta service would be the scenario with the best chance of success.
They may have 10% of the actual BDL traffic, but they have strongholds in BOS and JFK that could provide a sizeable amount of pax to migrate to BDL.
As with most B6 routes it is all about the Northeast originating passengers, as opposed to picking up traffic on the west coast.
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4537 posts, RR: 13 Reply 9, posted (3 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3450 times:
Quoting flyby519 (Reply 8): They may have 10% of the actual BDL traffic, but they have strongholds in BOS and JFK that could provide a sizeable amount of pax to migrate to BDL.
Same was/is true for Delta. For airports like BDL, they need to make it on their own merit and not rely on diverted traffic from BOS or JFK... we saw how well that worked with AMS. The demand is there, but I think Delta is better airline for success, only downside is the 738 might be a but too much plane, if they had more 73Gs around, it would be perfect.
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2160 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (3 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3224 times:
Quoting USAirALB (Reply 4): I don't recall HP ever flying BDL-LAX. The only airlines that I know of that flew BDL-LAX were AA and DL. AA flew BDL-LAX in the late nineties with an 738
In 74 - 79, UA operated DC8's between LAX and BDL,
globetrotter29 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 17 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (3 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3079 times:
BDL serves a rough catchment area of 2.7 million people (Springfield, Hartford & New Haven MSAs) who are highly educated and relatively affluent. Economically the region is feeble in terms of job growth, but there are many companies that call the area home. There is certainly demand for LAX. However cost is a huge deciding factor and when you can save $300+ flying out of BO'S or NYC the route won't do well. BDL is attractive because of it's accessibility and convenience. You can get through security in 15 minutes most of the time and you don't suffer from the often times ungodly congestion at the majors down the road. I wish BDL did a better job if marketing these strengths because they are appealing to a lot of people. But reality shows that ticket cost is what nabs the traveler and until BDLs exorbitant costs come down, we are going to lose passengers. People don't mind paying a little more for benefits of BDL, but when a ticket costs 2x as much as the same route available two hours away, that's ludicrous.
B6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2767 posts, RR: 7 Reply 17, posted (3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3002 times:
Too bad it isn't going through LGB, more connectivity on the west coast for B6 than LAX (not sure how the flight times would line up). LGB has flights to OAK, SMF, SEA, PDX, SFO, ANC, LAS while LAX is just a transcon station.
"If you do not learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it"
I agree with your argument for LGB, but the fact that B6 will make their money from BDL-area passengers who would probably like to be closer to the center of L.A. makes LAX the best choice, in my opinion. It would be a different story if the majority of passengers were LA-area passengers who needed to get to the BDL area (then LGB could work). Also, BDL-area passengers may not know that flying into LGB is an option when going to L.A.
point2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1961 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (3 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2914 times:
Quoting jporterfi (Reply 5): Anyone know the PDEW for the route?
Q2-12 pax (high season) between Hartford and L.A. area airports show 486 pax. Q4-11 pax (low season) between Hartford and L.A. area airports show 490 pax.
I think that this is a market where a carrier has a good shot at getting a plane full of the higher paying pax on a yearly basis to make this route work.
crAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 572 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2890 times:
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 7): While I think the demand fro BDL-LAX is there, im not sure if B6 is the best airline for it, seing they have less than 10% market share on each end. I think a return of Delta service would be the scenario with the best chance of success.
Actually, I would have thought UA would have a better chance of opening this route into LAX rather than DL.
Or in the hypothetical world if AA/US do merge, as mentioned above, this would be a great A319 route when AA's new plane arrives with MCE and AVOD - not so fun on a US A319.
Rhodylee From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 82 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (3 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1095 times:
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 14): Quoting USAirALB (Reply 4):
I don't recall HP ever flying BDL-LAX. The only airlines that I know of that flew BDL-LAX were AA and DL. AA flew BDL-LAX in the late nineties with an 738
In 74 - 79, UA operated DC8's between LAX and BDL,
BOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1887 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 826 times:
Well, the last two of these "rumor" threads turned out to be true, so hopefully this one turns out to be true as well. B6 could probably fill some holes at BDL.
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From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 42 posts, 
. B6 could really use some A319s for longer, thin routes, where the A320 struggles in the winter with head winds, and in markets where the A320 is too large and the E90s would also struggle.
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