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Rumor: B6 Red Eye LAX-BDL  
User currently offlineMJBATC12 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 42 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5482 times:

I heared from a friend who works TSA at BDL that B6 to start a red eye flight LAX-BDL is a "hot topic" around BDL... Any thoughts when and if this will happen, and what else?

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User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5208 times:
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I'm not surprised, as BDL has been pushing pretty hard to get B6 to do this.


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User currently offlinespinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5162 times:

I'd love that route. America West used to fly it in the late 90s or so.

I live in SW Connecticut. I could deal with a redeye to Hartford. The redeyes to JFK are just too shocking to the system. No sane friends will pick me up then, and its a trek to get the airtrain to long term parking and then battle the Van Wyck's rush hour traffic. That's the worst part for me.

I'd love if they flew it to SWF as well.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13302 posts, RR: 100
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5049 times:
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I know a few who would love this route.

But LAX-BDL seems to be a route tried and abandoned every few years.   

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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3118 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5018 times:

Quoting spinkid (Reply 2):
America West used to fly it in the late 90s or so.

I don't recall HP ever flying BDL-LAX. The only airlines that I know of that flew BDL-LAX were AA and DL. AA flew BDL-LAX in the late nineties with an 738.

HP flew BDL-PHX, and for a short time BDL-LAS.



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User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4900 times:

Would there be enough capacity to fill a daily (nightly?) A320? I think there might be enough capacity to fill a daily E190, but I don't think B6 likes to use E190s on cross-country flights (even though they have the AR version, which has the legs to do LAX-BDL). I think they might get away with 2x-3x weekly A320. Anyone know the PDEW for the route?

User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4701 times:
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Quoting jporterfi (Reply 5):
Would there be enough capacity to fill a daily (nightly?) A320? I think there might be enough capacity to fill a daily E190, but I don't think B6 likes to use E190s on cross-country flights (even though they have the AR version, which has the legs to do LAX-BDL). I think they might get away with 2x-3x weekly A320. Anyone know the PDEW for the route?

  . B6 could really use some A319s for longer, thin routes, where the A320 struggles in the winter with head winds, and in markets where the A320 is too large and the E90s would also struggle.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4696 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4577 times:

While I think the demand fro BDL-LAX is there, im not sure if B6 is the best airline for it, seing they have less than 10% market share on each end. I think a return of Delta service would be the scenario with the best chance of success.

TSA is probably the least credible source for air service items though, even at the supervisor level.



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User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4489 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 7):
While I think the demand fro BDL-LAX is there, im not sure if B6 is the best airline for it, seing they have less than 10% market share on each end. I think a return of Delta service would be the scenario with the best chance of success.

They may have 10% of the actual BDL traffic, but they have strongholds in BOS and JFK that could provide a sizeable amount of pax to migrate to BDL.

As with most B6 routes it is all about the Northeast originating passengers, as opposed to picking up traffic on the west coast.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4696 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4462 times:

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 8):
They may have 10% of the actual BDL traffic, but they have strongholds in BOS and JFK that could provide a sizeable amount of pax to migrate to BDL.

Same was/is true for Delta. For airports like BDL, they need to make it on their own merit and not rely on diverted traffic from BOS or JFK... we saw how well that worked with AMS. The demand is there, but I think Delta is better airline for success, only downside is the 738 might be a but too much plane, if they had more 73Gs around, it would be perfect.



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User currently offlineplanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3529 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4365 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 4):
AA flew BDL-LAX in the late nineties with an 738.

Did AA have 738s in the late 1990s? I don't remember them ordering/operating that until the early/mid 2000s.



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User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9429 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4331 times:

Quoting planespotting (Reply 10):

they at least did in the early 2000's

http://www.departedflights.com/AA070201p66.html

Here's a schedule from the summer of 2001.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17690 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4320 times:

What was the last transcon B6 added?


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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3562 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4282 times:

JFK-ABQ...starts later this month. If you qualify that as a transcon...I do.

True coast to coast has been a while. Those were all initial cities out of JFK, BOS and IAD

Last true coast to coast added was likely FLL-LAX


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3384 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4236 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 4):
I don't recall HP ever flying BDL-LAX. The only airlines that I know of that flew BDL-LAX were AA and DL. AA flew BDL-LAX in the late nineties with an 738

In 74 - 79, UA operated DC8's between LAX and BDL,

http://www.departedflights.com/BDL74p1.html

http://www.departedflights.com/LAX74p2.html

http://www.departedflights.com/BDL79p1.html

http://www.departedflights.com/LAX79p3.html



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17690 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4220 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 13):
True coast to coast has been a while. Those were all initial cities out of JFK, BOS and IAD

Yeah, I think the general trend in B6 transcons as of late is less is more.



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User currently offlineglobetrotter29 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4091 times:

BDL serves a rough catchment area of 2.7 million people (Springfield, Hartford & New Haven MSAs) who are highly educated and relatively affluent. Economically the region is feeble in terms of job growth, but there are many companies that call the area home. There is certainly demand for LAX. However cost is a huge deciding factor and when you can save $300+ flying out of BO'S or NYC the route won't do well. BDL is attractive because of it's accessibility and convenience. You can get through security in 15 minutes most of the time and you don't suffer from the often times ungodly congestion at the majors down the road. I wish BDL did a better job if marketing these strengths because they are appealing to a lot of people. But reality shows that ticket cost is what nabs the traveler and until BDLs exorbitant costs come down, we are going to lose passengers. People don't mind paying a little more for benefits of BDL, but when a ticket costs 2x as much as the same route available two hours away, that's ludicrous.

User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2897 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4014 times:

Too bad it isn't going through LGB, more connectivity on the west coast for B6 than LAX (not sure how the flight times would line up). LGB has flights to OAK, SMF, SEA, PDX, SFO, ANC, LAS while LAX is just a transcon station.


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User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3967 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 17):

I agree with your argument for LGB, but the fact that B6 will make their money from BDL-area passengers who would probably like to be closer to the center of L.A. makes LAX the best choice, in my opinion. It would be a different story if the majority of passengers were LA-area passengers who needed to get to the BDL area (then LGB could work). Also, BDL-area passengers may not know that flying into LGB is an option when going to L.A.


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3926 times:

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 5):
Anyone know the PDEW for the route?

Q2-12 pax (high season) between Hartford and L.A. area airports show 486 pax. Q4-11 pax (low season) between Hartford and L.A. area airports show 490 pax.

I think that this is a market where a carrier has a good shot at getting a plane full of the higher paying pax on a yearly basis to make this route work.


 


User currently offlinecrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 800 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3902 times:
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Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 7):
While I think the demand fro BDL-LAX is there, im not sure if B6 is the best airline for it, seing they have less than 10% market share on each end. I think a return of Delta service would be the scenario with the best chance of success.

Actually, I would have thought UA would have a better chance of opening this route into LAX rather than DL.

Or in the hypothetical world if AA/US do merge, as mentioned above, this would be a great A319 route when AA's new plane arrives with MCE and AVOD - not so fun on a US A319.


User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2897 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 18):
Also, BDL-area passengers may not know that flying into LGB is an option when going to L.A.

I'm pretty sure most folks from NYC and BOS areas weren't aware of it either when their service first started....



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13302 posts, RR: 100
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3323 times:
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Quoting RWA380 (Reply 14):
In 74 - 79, UA operated DC8's between LAX and BDL,

You win the history buff award!

That is a neat find.

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User currently offlineRhodylee From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 85 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2107 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 14):
Quoting USAirALB (Reply 4):
I don't recall HP ever flying BDL-LAX. The only airlines that I know of that flew BDL-LAX were AA and DL. AA flew BDL-LAX in the late nineties with an 738

In 74 - 79, UA operated DC8's between LAX and BDL,

http://www.departedflights.com/BDL74p1.html

http://www.departedflights.com/LAX74p2.html

http://www.departedflights.com/BDL79p1.html

http://www.departedflights.com/LAX79....html

AA also flew it in '69 (at least)

http://www.departedflights.com/AA033069p22.html


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1838 times:

Well, the last two of these "rumor" threads turned out to be true, so hopefully this one turns out to be true as well. B6 could probably fill some holes at BDL.


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