Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
As Of April, Only Lufthansa Will Fly To Iran  
User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11555 times:

According to the article out of Israel below dated 1/13, Air France / KLM is pulling out of Tehran. The article goes on to suggest that LH is to be the only remaining EU carrier servicing Iran going forward. Is Turkish not considered an EU carrier? The last time I checked, TK is still servicing IST-Tehran daily on an A330. How long ago did BA pull their LHR service?

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/164124#.UQs4wvIqwwp

23 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2302 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11526 times:

Quoting GEsubsea (Thread starter):
Is Turkish not considered an EU carrier?

Turkey is not in the EU, therefore Turkish isn't an EU carrier, of course.


User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11513 times:

Also, it looks like Alitalia is also still running Rome - Tehran on an A321 along with Aeroflot's Moscow - Tehran A320 service, although the later is consider to be an E. European carrier.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26170 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11300 times:

TK serves 6 cities in Iran and does booming business.

Tehran alone is 4x daily, going to 5 at the end of March.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17149 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11028 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
TK serves 6 cities in Iran and does booming business.

Tehran alone is 4x daily, going to 5 at the end of March.

Wow, didnt know that TK had such an extensive coverage of Iran. Their LAX flight must be full with passengers connecting onward to Iran.



Work Hard, Fly Right
User currently offlineTK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10781 times:

Quoting GEsubsea (Thread starter):
Is Turkish not considered an EU carrier?
Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 1):
Turkey is not in the EU, therefore Turkish isn't an EU carrier, of course.

The article talks about the only "Western-European airline":

"However, the move means that once the airline stops its flights to Iran, there will be only one other Western-European airline, the German-based Lufthansa"



"The future is in the skies. For any nation that cannot defend its skies will never be confident of its future." Atatürk
User currently offlinea300 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10736 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting B747forever (Reply 4):
Wow, didnt know that TK had such an extensive coverage of Iran. Their LAX flight must be full with passengers connecting onward to Iran.

One would think, and I was planning to fly TK on my next family visit. The connection time in IST is terrible. The layover is around 9 hours for some of the connecting flights.



Boland Aseman Jayegah Man Ast.
User currently offlineADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1407 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10418 times:

Turkey is a NATO country, but only a candidate for the EU.

User currently offlineusdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1010 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10058 times:

Don't forget that Pegasus also serves IKA via SAW. Last I checked, their prices were very reasonable.

User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7742 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9619 times:

Quoting GEsubsea (Thread starter):
How long ago did BA pull their LHR service?

The last scheduled BA/BD flight LHR-EVN-IKA (BD931) departed LHR on 12 October last. It was scheduled to operate the last BA/BD IKA-EVN-LHR flight (BD932) on 13 October. However the aircraft, 321 G-MEDF, went tech at IKA . As a result it was rerouted and operated IKA-TBS-LHR (BD932) on 14 October.


User currently offlineAussieItaliano From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7790 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 4):
Wow, didnt know that TK had such an extensive coverage of Iran. Their LAX flight must be full with passengers connecting onward to Iran.

Except for the many Persian Armenians in the LA area. Given historical events, many of them would rather walk than fly Turkish.



LHR - The Capital of the World
User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5640 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting GEsubsea (Thread starter):
Is Turkish not considered an EU carrier?
Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 1):
Turkey is not in the EU, therefore Turkish isn't an EU carrier,

Question asked, question answered.

Quoting ADent (Reply 7):
Turkey is a NATO country, but only a candidate for the EU.

Thanks for the geopolitical update


User currently offlineukoverlander From United Kingdom, joined May 2010, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5472 times:

Let's hope LH stay with it. Iran is a beautiful country with great cultural treasures. I have always found the Iranian people very kind, friendly and welcoming to their overseas visitors.

User currently offlinenimool From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5122 times:

BA doesnt oprate iran at LHR, it only Iran Air servising IKA-LHR-IKA. and as of Turkish I dont think they will pull out even though they are european or not. However they have operated 773s as well as 737s, i know for sure that Turkish 737 operate IST-MHD and IKA as well (i think)

As for European carriers Aitalia i think still operate to IKA. but for its good to see LH still in operation for IKA.



If its not Boeing im not Going!
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26170 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4994 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 4):
Wow, didnt know that TK had such an extensive coverage of Iran.

Current schedule.

IST-IKA - 28x week - Mix A321/A330
IST-TBZ - 7x weekly - A321
IST-MHD - 5x weekly - A320
IST-SYZ - 5x weekly - A319
IST-IFN - 3x weekly - B738
IST-KSH - 2x weekly - B738
ESB-IKA - 5x week - B738

Quoting B747forever (Reply 4):
Their LAX flight must be full with passengers connecting onward to Iran.

  

As posted in one of the Turkish aviation threads a few months back, Tehran was the largest beyond market from LAX for TK.

Quoting AussieItaliano (Reply 10):
Except for the many Persian Armenians in the LA area. Given historical events, many of them would rather walk than fly Turkish.

Hardly and issue for most. TK carries Armenians of all nationalities everyday whether to Iran, Lebanon, France or wherever.
When down in the LA jewelry district all my Armenian friends sing the praises of TK while sitting and eating at Turkish restaurants.

No need to mix 100-year old historical drama with modern day travel and commerce activity for most.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlinedeltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1664 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4680 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 14):
No need to mix 100-year old historical drama with modern day travel and commerce activity for most.

Funny, and true. Same analogy of Beverly Hills with and Rodeo Drive where large populations of Jews and Persions intermingle not to mention a lot of Jewish Persians that live/work there too. ALways an odd contradiction when watching world news and turmoil in middle east against the backdrop of the peace these people have in LA.


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4315 times:

Quoting deltaflyertoo (Reply 15):
Funny, and true. Same analogy of Beverly Hills with and Rodeo Drive where large populations of Jews and Persions intermingle not to mention a lot of Jewish Persians that live/work there too. ALways an odd contradiction when watching world news and turmoil in middle east against the backdrop of the peace these people have in LA.

Because that is the American way! Sometimes.  


User currently offlineAesma From Reunion, joined Nov 2009, 6962 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4220 times:

Well I don't pretend to know the US Armenian community, but most Armenians in France (and they're like 1% of the French population) are here because of the genocide, so it's not just history to them. And to Turkey either, considering what happens when you bring it up.


New Technology is the name we give to stuff that doesn't work yet. Douglas Adams
User currently offlineirelayer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1073 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4046 times:

I remember flying to Iran over two summers when I was a kid.

The first time we flew LH through ORD-FRA-THR, but I can only remember the aircraft type on the return which was a newish A310 that was almost completely empty.

Second time we flew Swissair ORD-ZRH-THR. I remember the ZRH-ORD return leg only, it was a 747-300.

Quoting deltaflyertoo (Reply 15):
Funny, and true. Same analogy of Beverly Hills with and Rodeo Drive where large populations of Jews and Persions intermingle not to mention a lot of Jewish Persians that live/work there too. ALways an odd contradiction when watching world news and turmoil in middle east against the backdrop of the peace these people have in LA.

Shahs of Sunset!

-IR


User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3210 times:

It now looks like LH is going to continue with its down-guage of FRA-TEH to an A340 into this Summer.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/...s-iran-capacity-reductions-in-s13/

Lufthansa Continues Iran Capacity Reductions in S13
Posted 04 February 2013 06:12
Update at 0540GMT 04FEB13

Lufthansa in Summer 2013 season is continuing capacity reduction on Frankfurt – Tehran route, which has been in effect since mid-January 2013. Airbus A340-300 aircraft continues to operate this daily service on/after 31MAR13, replacing Boeing 747.

LH600 FRA1750 – 0115+1IKA 343 D
LH601 IKA0305 – 0600FRA 343 D


User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3024 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3122 times:

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 19):
Lufthansa Continues Iran Capacity Reductions in S13
Posted 04 February 2013 06:12
Update at 0540GMT 04FEB13

Lufthansa in Summer 2013 season is continuing capacity reduction on Frankfurt – Tehran route, which has been in effect since mid-January 2013. Airbus A340-300 aircraft continues to operate this daily service on/after 31MAR13, replacing Boeing 747.

LH600 FRA1750 – 0115+1IKA 343 D
LH601 IKA0305 – 0600FRA 343 D

as far as I know the selection of 744 or now 343 is because of the fueling problem. all the flights have return fuel onboard. I'm wondering whether the 333 would be able to do that trip back and forth? seems like the most economical choice out of the 3. also, I'm quite surprised not to see any MUC-THR flight since the backbone of the FRA-THR flight is connex traffic ex USA (and particularly LA as mentioned) and EU nations of all kind (especially Scandinavia and UK).


User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2850 times:

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 20):
also, I'm quite surprised not to see any MUC-THR flight since the backbone of the FRA-THR flight is connex traffic ex USA (and particularly LA as mentioned) and EU nations of all kind (especially Scandinavia and UK).

Why? LH has a stronger network out of FRA than MUC.


User currently offlinea300 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2651 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 20):
I'm quite surprised not to see any MUC-THR fligh

LH did have a MUC-IKA flight a few summers ago.

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 19):
down-guage of FRA-TEH to an A340 into this Summer.

The correct city code is THR



Boland Aseman Jayegah Man Ast.
User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 833 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2373 times:

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 12):
Let's hope LH stay with it. Iran is a beautiful country with great cultural treasures. I have always found the Iranian people very kind, friendly and welcoming to their overseas visitors.

  
Nothing to add.

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 19):
Lufthansa in Summer 2013 season is continuing capacity reduction on Frankfurt – Tehran route, which has been in effect since mid-January 2013. Airbus A340-300 aircraft continues to operate this daily service on/after 31MAR13, replacing Boeing 747.

Wait a moment, this route is far older than Jan'13! But to be honest, I failed to realize they upgauged to 744 in the first place. Last time I had a look at this flight was S11 and back then I'm sure it was an A343.
Anyhow, I think with AF/KL out of the game, this is a real winner for LH. The American-Persian and European-Persian community is huge and, for what I can tell from very close friendships with oversea-Persians, very wealthy. I'm sure it's only a matter of time until LH will deploy a more premium-heavy airplane on this flight.
And concerning the fuel-stop matter. Well, if Iran realizes that Germany is now the most convenient gateway to America (*) they cannot play hardball for too long.

(*) I cannot remember IR or W5 having codeshare agreements ex their various European destinations to the US/Canada.



// You know you're an aviation enthusiast when you look at your neighbour's cars and think about fleet commonality.
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Will Lufthansa Ever Fly To Yul? posted Sat Sep 9 2000 14:02:56 by Noise
Philippine Airlines: We Will Fly To NYC Soon! posted Sat Jan 14 2012 00:42:45 by jasp25
Armavia Will Fly To All Three Moscow Airports! posted Tue Jun 10 2008 14:56:47 by Thenoflyzone
TAM Now Will Fly To MVD (Uruguay) posted Tue May 15 2007 16:18:41 by VbeltraJJ
Is It Likely The A380 Will Fly To SEA posted Thu Apr 5 2007 03:45:12 by Flybynight
Ecuadorian Airlines Will Fly To Colombia posted Sun Jun 11 2006 08:26:13 by Clo1973
TransAsia True Love Will Fly To Singapore posted Sun Apr 23 2006 17:39:52 by Skyline
Transaero Will Fly To Toronto posted Fri Apr 14 2006 04:42:35 by Kevin
If Only ______ Could Fly To ___ And ___! posted Tue Jan 27 2004 20:57:10 by Tony Lu
SN Brussels Airlines Will Fly To Tel Aviv posted Thu Jan 23 2003 17:45:42 by Luchtzak