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IB Unions Announce "no Less Than 5 Days Of Strike"  
User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1992 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11644 times:

The talks between the Unions and IB about the re-structuring plans are in a dead end.
The six Unions announced no less than five days of strike during the second half of February.

Link in Spanish for now.

http://economia.elpais.com/economia/.../actualidad/1359717363_272546.html


Rgds.
G.


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User currently offlinedurangomac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 731 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11520 times:

I think unions have their place but in the airline industry I think they no longerbelong. Actions like this are in my opinion what dooms a company.

User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6364 posts, RR: 32
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11347 times:
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So, you live in a country that:

1) Economically is a basketcase
2) Pollitically, is as corrupt as has seldom been seen anywhere
3) Is bankrupt
4) Qualified people are emmigrating in a massive scale (Mexico has received over 35,000 Spanish citizens in the last 2 years, to the point we´ve had to change our immigration laws) And it´s architects, engineers, economists, financiers, not waiters or drug dealers. They are young too
5) Has over 25% unemployment

And your employer tells you:

1) We´ll be firing 23% of the workforce, 4,500 people (and we know that with the new laws in Spain you get nothing when fired)
2) We´ll be reducing 15% capacity
3) And oh, by the way, we´ve created an LCC where you pilots we´ll be making 50% of what you currently make, with more flying hours.

Are you supposed to take all of this with a smile and thank your employer? What sane union wouldn´t try to get a better deal?

Add to that the really bad job IAG is making in the PR department by not forcefully eliminating the rumors that BA is screwing IB and you get this:

CONFRONTATION

And the passengers are screwed. But, frankly, if I were living in a country in the conditions Spain is in now, I would thank my unions. Furthermore, It´s starting to look that Mr. Walsh is leading by conflict and is betting the Spanish will tire of IB and see its employees as spoiled brats. That would happen in more prosperous economic times but not now.

It´s not just the employees that are screwing IB.


User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5265 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11283 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 5):
t´s starting to look that Mr. Walsh is leading by conflict

It seemed to work for him at BA


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6364 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11279 times:
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Quoting anstar (Reply 7):
It seemed to work for him at BA

True. But remind me when was the UK in the position Spain is in now?


User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3397 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11251 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 5):
Are you supposed to take all of this with a smile and thank your employer? What sane union wouldn´t try to get a better deal?

The trouble being, by fighting for a better deal you might take the whole house down with you.


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6364 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11218 times:
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Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 9):
The trouble being, by fighting for a better deal you might take the whole house down with you.

I agree. But Spain and the Spanish are at a point when losing your job means real dire straits. And no possibility of working for at least three years. In short, they have nothing to loose. So they don´t really give a crap wether IB disappears or not. I agree that striking is in general counterproductive, but under the circumstances of IB workers it´s really not. IAG needs to get this. Unless what they really want is to let IB die. Which is what I suspect, by the way.


User currently offlineDano1977 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Jun 2008, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11215 times:

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 9):
The trouble being, by fighting for a better deal you might take the whole house down with you.

As the employees found out at Eastern.



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User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 817 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11208 times:

IAG is not leading by conflict. The unions have been given the chance to negotiate and SEPLA in particular has been confrontational for over a year. It's sad when it has come to this but IAG has been very clear that 31 January was a hard deadline and that "Plan B" will be pursued if the unions strike.

If the unions strike I would not be surprised if the strikers are locked out.


User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3319 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11150 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
The six Unions announced no less than five days of strike during the second half of February.

Is this five separate days, very disruptive, or 5 continuous days, you can plan around it?



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6364 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11070 times:
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Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 13):
Is this five separate days, very disruptive, or 5 continuous days, you can plan around it?

It´s five separate days. Dates to be announced later by the unions.


User currently offlinemfc From Spain, joined Feb 2006, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11070 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 5):
1) Economically is a basketcase
2) Pollitically, is as corrupt as has seldom been seen anywhere
3) Is bankrupt

The economy situation is really bad, but in a year is expected to improve. I think that corruption is a very serious problem in Spain, but it is not that common. There a lot of countries that have a lot more corruption, i.e. Mexico, with no offense.
Finally, Spain is NOT in bankruptcy, the country has not even been rescued yet and it is not expected to be.

Back to this thread, I think that both management and unions are to blame, and if things don't get any better soon they will ending in closing down Iberia.



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User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10896 times:

Hopefully both can sort this out for the good of the airline, both employer and employee as not having an IB will be a loss to both parties and to European aviation history.

Unions aren't always for the good of staff but not sure what Spanish unions are like?

As mentioned before IB needs to tone and get fit and that inforunately means short term pain, hopefully long term gain.


User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1992 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10798 times:

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 7):
As the employees found out at Eastern.

You can add PU to that list, and there are some others for sure. IIRC PU had more than 900 workers for a fleet of 11 CRJ9... They never expected a "lefty" government will choose to close the airline instead of keeping a bleeding airline, and then crashed against the reality...let's hope the IB workers can be more realistic in their demands...

Rgds.
G.



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User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1992 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10769 times:

Information about this subject in English can be found here :

http://atwonline.com/operations-main...alks-fail-strike-action-looms-0131

Rgds.
G.



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User currently offlinesumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10745 times:

Quoting mfc (Reply 11):
Back to this thread, I think that both management and unions are to blame, and if things don't get any better soon they will ending in closing down Iberia.

Oh well, at least IAG have Vueling that can do the same job as IB, but much more efficiently.
I am sure they would be quite happy to get into the long haul too, if need be.


User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10244 times:

The employees will sink IB!  . No, no, no!!!!

User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6364 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10156 times:
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Quoting mfc (Reply 11):
The economy situation is really bad, but in a year is expected to improve.

Really? How strange. Both your government and the IMF have been panicking seeing how Spain´s economy will behave in 2013. Just a heads up: "Continued destruction of employment", "Another year of recession"

http://economia.elpais.com/economia/.../actualidad/1342784004_152133.html
http://economia.elpais.com/economia/.../actualidad/1343400827_935244.html

Quoting mfc (Reply 11):
I think that corruption is a very serious problem in Spain, but it is not that common. There a lot of countries that have a lot more corruption, i.e. Mexico, with no offense.

While Mexico has been the pet boy of corruption scandals and a reference, things have changed. Corruption in Spain and Greece has outshone us for the past 5 years at least.

You don´t think so? Think Bárcenas, Urdangarín, Gurtel, Garzón´s inhabilitation, Ana Mato, Cospedal´s and her family members, the Madrid Arena Deaths, etc. etc. No offense. But really, a 30 million Euro fortune and a 33,000 hectare agro industrial exploitation in Argentina are telling.

Add to that the darkish ways Spain has engaged in privatizing different industries. Specially your wonderful "Heath System" which in Spain it´s being curtailed to the point people are dying of preventable diseases. Not to mention emergencies. Oh wait, emergencies don´t exist in Spain, since your government is closing many ER´s for "lack of use". No offense.

http://politica.elpais.com/politica/.../actualidad/1359751226_077767.html
http://politica.elpais.com/politica/.../actualidad/1359740934_577829.html
http://politica.elpais.com/politica/.../actualidad/1359752870_121146.html

Quoting mfc (Reply 11):
Spain is NOT in bankruptcy, the country has not even been rescued yet and it is not expected to be.

Yeah...Well, you might want to have a discussion about that with:

1) My UX friend, who has ended up flying with CM as FO, being a 737NG captain back in Spain (He did not leave willingly)
2) My homeless friends in Madrid
3) MAD, which has lately looked pretty dirty due to its sanitation personnell being on strike
4) The newly arrived qualified immigrants in Mexico from Spain
5) BANKIA

Back to the thread. IB as such will not survive. But it has to find a way for its unions to work hand in hand with management. i dontt´hink it´s in the interest of IAG to have the IB brand disappear. Radicalization is not the answer.

[Edited 2013-02-01 23:46:39]

User currently offlinemfc From Spain, joined Feb 2006, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10090 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 17):
Yeah...Well, you might want to have a discussion about that with:

1) My UX friend, who has ended up flying with CM as FO, being a 737NG captain back in Spain (He did not leave willingly)
2) My homeless friends in Madrid
3) MAD, which has lately looked pretty dirty due to its sanitation personnell being on strike
4) The newly arrived qualified immigrants in Mexico from Spain
5) BANKIA

Airline pilots' situation in Europe is not good, there are a lot of them and no jobs for everyone. Middle East airlines, many Asian carriers and South American airlines hire European pilots.

I live in Madrid and I don't know any homeless, sure there are a lot, but not as much as in New York City or San Francisco.

Sanitation personeel problem at MAD has been solved, there is no strike anymore and MAD now looks spotless. That kind of strike can occur regardless the economic situation as they were re-negociating their contracts.

Ok, Bankia is a shame, but what about Santander or BBVA? Oh, we can also talk about Movistar, Repsol, Inditex...



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User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9974 times:
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Quoting AR385 (Reply 2):
It´s starting to look that Mr. Walsh is leading by conflict and is betting the Spanish will tire of IB and see its employees as spoiled brats.

Mr Walsh loves confrontation...........he deliberately provokes fights between staff and mgmt rather than try to find a mutually agreed solution. Even when the unions offer a compromise he pushes them over the edge.
He did it in Aer Lingus, he did it in BA, looks like he is now doing it in IAG.


User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2988 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9951 times:

BASSA offered a compromise...???

Please, don't turn this thread into a comedy sketch.  

Rgds



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6364 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9926 times:
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Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 19):
Mr Walsh loves confrontation...........he deliberately provokes fights between staff and mgmt rather than try to find a mutually agreed solution. Even when the unions offer a compromise he pushes them over the edge.
He did it in Aer Lingus, he did it in BA, looks like he is now doing it in IAG.

Well, as I´ve written before. The IAG case is different as the IB employees have really nothing to loose. It´s the same for them if IB disappears or if it stays. And given the political situation in Spain these days, nothing is certain.

Rajoy is being asked to resign. I don´t think he will agree to have IB killed by IAG. He´s clutching at straws lately and the loss of IB can be the final one. He is not going to risk it.

Mr. Walsh should be wise to see these things. No matter what worked for him before in other carriers.


User currently offlineautothrust From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 1596 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9775 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 2):
Pollitically, is as corrupt as has seldom been seen anywhere
3) Is bankrupt
4) Qualified people are emmigrating in a massive scale (Mexico has received over 35,000 Spanish citizens in the last 2 years, to the point we´ve had to change our immigration laws) And it´s architects, engineers, economists, financiers, not waiters or drug dealers. They are young too
5) Has over 25% unemployment

Nonsense, there are far more corruption in other contry's like Portugal, Italy, Poland etc..

The myth about Spain being bankrupt is really annoying, even more country's like Germany have more debts then Spain.
The BANKS are bankrupt not the country that's a HUGE difference!!

The 25% unemployment rate is sure worrysome, however it does not represent the reality. Many jobs are illegal employment, so if you add that jobs the unemployment rate is not that high.

About the Iberia Strike i don't really see how it is gonna help them.



“Faliure is not an option.”
User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1827 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9595 times:

Now that Eu has tried saving every ailing too big to fail its time to let corporations go down with no help. Clean the system, hope IB is just the first example. SK needs to get flushed too IMO.

User currently offlineshuttle9juliet From UK - Scotland, joined Jul 2010, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9593 times:

Quoting anstar (Reply 3):

He always has done, that's his way. His way or no way, but I always knew tackling the Spanish workers would be difficult for him.


25 seahawk : Such a strike is just going to enforce people´s opinion that Iberia is one of the European carriers that is not a good idea to book, just like Alital
26 EK413 : On the 5th day of strikes there won't be a job to fight for since the airline would've seized flying and belly up... Great way to fight for job secur
27 TYCOON : Although not necessarily condoning the strike action of Iberia employees nor am I a particular fan of the airline (I have flown them 41 times and they
28 TYCOON : Oh, and Portugal, Poland and Italy ranked respectively 33rd, 41st and 72nd in this 2012 report... still nowhere near Mexico's corruption level.
29 LHRFlyer : Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. And wrong again. A huge amount of structural change was achieved during his time at BA without confrontation with the unions: a)
30 alphaomega : Haha oh...well thanks to the illegal jobs everything is good. IB needs to go through what almost every other carrier has gone through in the last 10
31 FCAFLYBOY : In my opinion, the time for IB has been and gone unfortunately. Employees of IB need to wake up to the fact that the airline needs to trim down and ge
32 LJ : UX will be pleased if IB employees go on strike. Again more pax flying UX at higher fares. I agree plus the fact that Spain isn't the UK. If IB goes b
33 shuttle9juliet : Maybe so but he has caused confrontation with the staff, ie scabs, volunteer crew ect ect and bully boy management, which has filtered into nearly ev
34 EagleBoy : I think the issue here is that the IB workers are scared of what the future holds for them.....lots of Spaniards feel the same. They are thinking emo
35 FCAFLYBOY : I disagree with that. He did what needed to be done, and it upset a lot of staff, naturally. He had to make some hard decisions that I'm sure were ve
36 shuttle9juliet : I really couldn't imagine any crew sitting having a beer with him ha ha.. He is not very well regarded by any staff, most recently by LGW ramp staff
37 shuttle9juliet : That's fair enough what he did but BA were not in any way the position IB are today. I think all Walsh wanted at the time to just contract the whole
38 LHRFlyer : The fact that you used such a disgustingly offensive word that deserves to stay in the 1970s says everything. The idea for the Volunteer Cabin Crew p
39 shuttle9juliet : What? " bully boy management"? Well come on, he has brought that style with. Fair enough the shareholder may not be getting a dividend at the movemen
40 EagleBoy : Remember he was once an operational pilot many moons ago..... ....in fact Willie's flight career was saving by Unions at the time not allowing EI to
41 shuttle9juliet : EagleBoy you couldn't have said it better.A friend of mine and his co workers fixed a minor fault on his Futura 737 once and I believe he gave them a
42 RTFM : How would you define 'big'........?
43 shuttle9juliet : You tell me?
44 Post contains images r2rho : It's a reasonable bet. IB's unions have made countless selfish and senseless strikes in the past and have a very bad reputation among Spaniards. This
45 LHRFlyer : The dictionary definition of scab may not be offensive, but it is generally viewed as an offensive word and does serve to highlight some of the unrec
46 LHRFlyer : IAG has rebutted the claims that it is investing in BA at the expense of Iberia. If IAG wants to destroy Iberia why, pray tell, is it receiving new a
47 Post contains links AR385 : Interesting editorial today in El Pais: http://elpais.com/elpais/2013/02/01/opinion/1359752381_777879.html
48 shuttle9juliet : Fair enough comment, I do not take things personally and as other posters have said about you, it's everybody's opinion on here not just your own. We
49 toobz : What a nightmare this must be for BA...I have a feeling it would be the same if AF were to buy AZ out. nothing good will come from that..
50 FCAFLYBOY : Oh I don't know, AF is not exactly 'hot stuff' at the moment either, not sure I would want to see them snapping up any airlines too soon! Does anyone
51 LHRFlyer : Iberia is required by law to operate a specified minimum service to certain destinations. BA operating Iberia flights is probably an absolute no-no.
52 FCAFLYBOY : really? I never knew such laws existed that's rely interesting. Why is that, political? Going off topic but I suppose that must include some service
53 Tupolev160 : What a strikingly accurate description...
54 Post contains links lightsaber : I'm sad for IB, but they must restructure> I understand the employees frustration, but this is a self inflicted wound. But how much does BA really
55 Post contains links AR385 : According to this, the involved unions will be deciding the logistics of their strike: http://economia.elpais.com/economia/.../actualidad/1359925100_6
56 Gonzalo : IMO, is not "just an advertisement for the competition".... is THE BEST advertisement ( the most effective ), and it's free of charge for the competi
57 r2rho : AFAIK this normally concerns island destinations. Though it is true that in the case of transportation companies (airlines, trains, busses) Spanish l
58 dcajet : I find it a bit disturbing that certain posters here can show such largesse with the careers and lives of other people. I wonder what would they do fa
59 Post contains images lightsaber : I don't take their trials for granted. I just jumped ship with a demotion and pay cut to preserve my carrier. Sometimes it is just seeing the writing
60 dcajet : Two things come to mind: 1. The job mobility that we enjoy here in the US, is something very unique to our way of life and economic system. In most o
61 dcajet : 1. Iberia only has the 320 family and 330/340 in house. What exactly do you mean by rationalize? Unless rationalizing for you means stuff made in Sea
62 bagmanlgw : Now that the Iberia unions have announced their intention for a series of 24 hour strikes up to the end of Feb Have they actually announced the dates
63 capri : Is Air Nostrum part of strike???, am flying with them in Feb, between MAD-TNG
64 Post contains links Gonzalo : The announcement will be made tomorrow, after a last meeting between the Unions and the company, but this meeting is considered "just a formality", a
65 Post contains links LHRFlyer : Clearly IAG has no intention of backing down... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...in-in-taking-on-iberia-unions.html
66 mfc : Air Nostrum and Iberia Express are not part of the strike. However, handling will be on strike, so they will be affected in some measure, as well as
67 acelanzarote : Suspect this is going to get messy, the Unions will figure they have nothing to lose and IAG will not want to be seen backing down, Just wonder if Ibe
68 Post contains links LHRFlyer : You can see from the latest traffic numbers the stark difference in the traffic performance of the two airlines. Worringly, Iberia's revenue is fallin
69 Post contains images lightsaber : You missed my point. One has to be flexible and mobile to stay employed in this economy. I get it. Did you bother reading about the overall job situa
70 Post contains links Gonzalo : Iberia Express is not doing better. Although there is no previous stats to compare ( IB Express has only one year in the market ), the managers admit
71 spantax : Just on the news: 15 days strike, 18-22 February, 4-8 March, 18-22 March. This is what I call "caring for the passenger".
72 Gonzalo : Yep... certainly fighting the fire with fuel. When I started this thread I thought that " no less than 5 days of strike" could be called a "sensation
73 Post contains links PDPsol : I just read the article, totally crazy... http://economia.elpais.com/economia/.../actualidad/1360158688_840644.html I can only imagine what insane cha
74 acelanzarote : Not going to improve forward passinger bookings with Iberia then... just wonder where it will all end.
75 Dano1977 : Nice way to cut your own throat. Adios Iberia!
76 lightsaber : That's NUCLEAR! In my prior posts, I thought it would be 5 days of strikes. Not 5 days in February, 5 in the start of March, and 5 more just to ensur
77 AR385 : This is dangerous brinkmanship: IB won´t survive this. The costs of acommodating those passengers, plus the revenue lost since as of now reasonable
78 mfc : Why they don't close down Iberia and create a "new" Iberia the next day? Didn't Swissair and Sabena do that? I don't know many details about the situa
79 LHRFlyer : Total insanity. When IAG management says they will do something they will do it. If they say industrial action by the unions will accelerate the shrin
80 FreshSide3 : You would think, with the demise of Spanair, last year, IB would be doing well financially.
81 mfc : I don't know exactly, what do you mean?
82 LHRFlyer : IAG said last year when the restructuring was announced that the cash burn in Iberia must be stopped. One reason for this is that IAG has to review t
83 spantax : Very interesting point. Perhaps somebody could enlighten us about these two cases in the framework of Iberia. Personally I wouldn't be shocked if thi
84 r2rho : LAN-TAM are a limited threat today, but the biggest threat lies in their future expansion potential. IB would then be competing with a handful of A34
85 Post contains links and images lightsaber : They could. Its just a question of how large an IB. It is in the unions and IAGs court. Either could sink the company. IAG if that is the best ROI. T
86 mfc : T-4 at Barajas is not unnecessary, Madrid Airport would have been saturated if T-4 hasn't been built. Iberia needed a hub style terminal, and now T-4
87 PlunaCRJ : Is this still on? I just tried a dummy booking for February 22, and the flight appears as bookable. I would have thought that with a strike planned f
88 Gonzalo : I doubt the IB management will allow any change in the website or booking system that can affect the sales. The Spanish newspapers and TV networks ar
89 mfc : Affected flights are to be announced. They have to arrange several things, once it is done, they will post the information on the website and will in
90 AR385 : Don´t forget AM. AM will have a swarm of 787s too, and more than likely, they will have more frequencies on MEX-MAD, start MTY-MAD, GDL-MAD, CUN-MAD
91 Post contains links mfc : Announcement made today: http://grupo.iberia.es/portal/site/g...60429cc310VgnVCM20000060fe15acRCRD
92 Gonzalo : Interesting that they are offering to return the money to every one who want. It will be very nice to know what proportion of the people who bought t
93 LJ : If they close it down, then IAG will loses everything it has invested in IB. Furthermore, it's questionable if the Spanish government can replace IB
94 SCL767 : Also remember that TAM is the launch customer for the A-350-900 in Latin America. LATAM Airlines has 27 A-350s, 4 B77Ws and 4 B763s on order, (plus 2
95 enginebird : IBs main problem are not the A346s, which are used profitably by other airlines such as LH, even at 100$/bbl. IBs problems are, among many other thin
96 spantax : Breaking: IAG announces 3 807 layoffs in Iberia (19% of the workforce) according to newspaper El País.
97 Post contains links LHRFlyer : This is confirmed in the IAG press release. As I said above, IAG do not bluff! http://www.iairgroup.com/phoenix.zht...-newsArticle&ID=1784018&
98 Gonzalo : Ufff !!! Certainly this is not going to stop the strikes.... I wonder how the unions will react to this...but definitely I will not be very calm if I
99 Post contains links spantax : Link in Spanish. http://economia.elpais.com/economia/.../actualidad/1360670779_897922.html
100 AR385 : SEPLA has just announced they are joining the strike.
101 acelanzarote : Where does/will this leave Iberia Express i wonder....
102 lightsaber : LH has unusually high premium markets *and* unusually efficient maintenance operations. They would still make more money with a twin long haul airfra
103 spantax : (Sorry, but for me it is almost impossible to post in a thread concerning Iberia without falling in the classical A.net bestseller "Bashing Iberia") I
104 UALWN : It seems to me that your example calls, mainly, for axing the management, not the front-line workers...
105 Post contains links and images filLPA : The problem is that before they can organise their new schedules, they first have to receive from the "Ministry" the list of minimum services (in per
106 Post contains links filLPA : El Mundo newspaper just published the following: The Ministry has informed Iberia, his strike committee and Aena, minimum services for the strikes fro
107 Post contains links mfc : This document has been published recently (only in Spanish): http://estaticos.elmundo.es/documentos/2013/02/13/iberia.pdf The situation of Iberia and
108 Gonzalo : Please excuse my ignorance, and this ( probably stupid ) question.... What can the airline ( or the authorities, or the Government ) do in order to c
109 Post contains links Gonzalo : UPDATE ( From the official website of Iberia ) : For those with flights booked on IB, here are the Lists of flights cancelled ( almost 500 flights tot
110 realsim : Nothing, but if they don't staff the minimum flights, the government will sue the unions and they will have to pay the compensation to IB and the aff
111 AR385 : There´s a MAD-EZE cancelled for the 5 days. Ouch! MAD-MEX is cancelled for 3 days.
112 r2rho : This is exactly the PR response from IAG management that I had been asking for. Note that the article also links to the widely spread (staff-created?
113 UALWN : In general it does get applied, although maybe not exactly 100%.
114 spantax : Breaking: another 807 flights by Air Nostrum, Vueling, Iberia Express cancelled next week. New A330 for IB landed in Madrid. IAG up in Madrid stockmar
115 bongodog1964 : Are you saying that the Spanish state will pay unemployment benefit in excess of their present wages ? it could be claimed that the US job mobility i
116 BA777 : Noticed that, for example, all of IB's flights between LHR and MAD cancelled during the strikes. What will happen with the BA flights, given that IB h
117 Post contains links Gonzalo : Yep... the list of affected flights for each airline can be found here : http://vuelingnews.com/category/ultima-hora/ http://www.airnostrum.es/notici
118 Post contains links reifel : There is one thing I don't get. Why does this affect Vueling? I thought Vueling - although realted to IAG - had own staff and where not part of the di
119 acelanzarote : Certainly agree about Vueling, so many cancelled plus insane rule for rebooking. Would make me think twice about using them again if I had to pay more
120 BA777 : The concern I have is that my flight on 21st Feb LHR-MAD is the BA462 at 15:25, and it doesnt show up on BA's booking or the KVS availability tool..ye
121 r2rho : Neither VY nor IB Express are part of the disputes, but many of their flights are handled by IB ground staff, which are. So indirectly they are affec
122 Gonzalo : I definitely don't want to be the carrier of bad news for you, but I will be really worried if I have to take a flight with destination in an airport
123 dcajet : That is because EZE has twice daily service, while MEX has two flights on some days, and just one on others. It is perfectly in compliance with "serv
124 dcajet : It is the law of the land. Simple as that. All striking unions must comply with "servicios minimos". Not compliance with it means any of the above pa
125 Gonzalo : Thank you. I have a "problem" with the part of the article where it talks about "the essential services for the community". I could understand that t
126 dcajet : Hence the different levels of essential service: places like Canarias, Baleares and Ceuta and Melilla are immune to the effects of a strike as they a
127 Post contains images Gonzalo : Hahaha don't worry, I can see why you have that feeling. I was very critical against the IB unions not for the strike itself, but more for the extens
128 Gonzalo : Here are the phone numbers for the people who had tickets for flights affected by the strike : IBERIA & AIR NOSTRUM : 900 100 480 // 902 400 500 V
129 reifel : Aparentely a few other airlines handled by Iberia are affected as well, i.e. LH cancelled their flights from MUC and FRA to BIO today, as IB handles L
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