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DAL Aspiring Flight Attendants - 1-110 Odds  
User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9345 posts, RR: 26
Posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 11280 times:

Good luck to all those who applied!

"By Mary Jane Credeur
Feb. 1 (Bloomberg) -- Delta Air Lines Inc. has received
44,000 applications for 400 flight-attendant positions,
showcasing demand for jobs with the U.S. unemployment rate mired
near 8 percent."

http://washpost.bloomberg.com/Story?...YHQ0X01-30ABJ9EAE1G2EMA695PMJ24QPU


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User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 11195 times:

And this is shocking because.........   

Having recruited before....I can assure you that about 20% do not meet the basic qualifications. Then the selection process will weed out candidates on the phone interview. What always intrigues me is how many people make it to the mass invite interviews and have no idea about the nature of the job. Many think that pay per hr is based on a 40 hr week, not block or guarntee. Allot of candidates, especially from So. Cal., think they will get LAX right out of training or at worst be there within a year. They look at you with disbelief when we say you WILL be missing birthdays, weddings, holidays, anniversaries,the kids play, etc. for the first 5 to 7 years of your career. After we cover the nitty gritty of pay, scheduling and how to use public transportation in NYC I have seen half the room thank us for the invite and ask for the next flight home.

I wish all who applied the best of luck. It's a very competitive job with huge rewards...just remember those rewards are deferred lol. I'm just saying don't be discouraged by the lottery winning odds in the article, there are other forces at play here.

[Edited 2013-02-01 08:57:25]

User currently offlinestrfyr51 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 1185 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 11016 times:
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I don't work in in flight but as with most airline jobs you can always find one if you're willing to work, BUT to work where you want to LIVE?? That's a problem. Many cannot fathom having to work Christmas day, New Years, Easter. Memorial day, Independence day, Labor day, and Thanksgiving all in the same YEAR .
It's NOT always this bad but every 3-4 years I miss EVERY doggone Holiday and my wife puts up with it.
Which is why I thank My STARS I married her, I've seen it break up marriages. Airline Jobs aren't FOR everybody this is the ultimate "service industry".


User currently offlineYYZbound From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10952 times:

I actually helped out with the flight attendant hiring process at my previous airline...was part of the 'cattle call' a couple of times. VERY eye-opening....it made me see all the mistakes I had made in my failed interviews.

And I got SO tired of hearing "I love people and I love travel"


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17450 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10670 times:

Given the skillset required and the compensation, a mainline flight attendant is a pretty good gig. Probably one of the best out there; that's why the ratio of applicants to jobs is 100+:1


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineStratofish From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1051 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10600 times:

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 1):
and how to use public transportation in NYC

I agree with all of your post, but: you let your crews use public transportation to get to their hotel?!?  Wow! Then you'd see me walk out of there as well.

Or are we talking about NYC BASED crews here?

Are US mainline FAs paid that much better than their European counterparts? Here it's a job that will "feed you well" but certainly it is none of the "best gigs out there".



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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4997 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10515 times:

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 5):
I agree with all of your post, but: you let your crews use public transportation to get to their hotel?!? Wow! Then you'd see me walk out of there as well.

I think they are talking about using public transportation in NYC if you are domiciled/based there. EWR & JFK are usually very junior bases.



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User currently offlineskycub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10448 times:

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 2):
Many cannot fathom having to work Christmas day, New Years, Easter. Memorial day, Independence day, Labor day, and Thanksgiving all in the same YEAR .

Wait just a minute..... You mean.... some people actually get holidays off?????   

Wow. Who knew?


User currently offlinecornutt From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 338 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10317 times:

The daughter of a lady my wife works with just got an FA job with a regional. Not sure which one (my wife didn't remember the name), but the daughter was asked where she wanted to be based: IAH, ORD, or somewhere else (can't remember the third one). She chose ORD, which was probably smart; she said almost everyone else wanted IAH, not surprising. She's got a route and starts Monday. I'll try to find out more.

User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1659 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10288 times:

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 2):
Many cannot fathom having to work Christmas day, New Years, Easter. Memorial day, Independence day, Labor day, and Thanksgiving all in the same YEAR .

On the flip side, you also get far more days off work than someone who works a normal 40hr 5x/week job. Albeit your "on" days are longer.


User currently onlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 782 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10267 times:

Strato...I know a few senior DL f/as who earn in the 60-70k range. yeah they make more than their European counterparts. Plus the benefits are better too (with DL at least)

User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9987 times:

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 5):
Or are we talking about NYC BASED crews here?

HAHAHA...not the layover hotel (if they could get away with it, it would happen)...im talking BASE.

There is just an odd sense that somehow people think they will be based in places like LAX,IAH,MIA,DFW,PHX,SEA right out of training. I even saw this denial during initial training before base assignments were made towards the end. People were shocked and angry when they got sent to places like NY/DC/CHI/PHL. While it MAY happen, its more of a long shot than the 1-110 hiring odds.


User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9816 times:

I am certain that there is a higher than normal number of applicants because there has been little FA hiring since 9/11. Those that want to become a FA with a major airline have had to wait for over a decade. Some of the applicants may be FAs on regionals or on furlough from a major that is not hiring.

While demand is picking up, the leading edge of the baby boomers are starting to retire, so some FA jobs are finally opening. Not all FAs work until they are 84.

I have heard complaints that in boom times airlines would hire anyone with a pulse because there were not enough people available at the bases where they were needed and many would quit soon afterward because they were not really qualified in the first place. Now, because of the pent up interest, the airlines can be picky about their hires. I will be interested to see if that translates into better in flight service. If nothing else we may start to see some FAs that have not been beaten down by the job over the years.


User currently offlineKC135Hydraulics From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9811 times:

I missed thanksgiving, Christmas, New years, and nearly my wife's birthday on this deployment alone. I think I could handle a few missed holidays as long as I knew I would be home within a few days of it when my trip sequence was over. There are certainly worse things than being a flight attendant!

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17450 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9774 times:

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 5):
Are US mainline FAs paid that much better than their European counterparts? Here it's a job that will "feed you well" but certainly it is none of the "best gigs out there".

The minimum requirements in the US are basically a high school equivalent degree, and with that you get decent pay and travel/health benefits. If you're a language speaker you probably even start with a decent schedule too. If not, after a zillion years on reserve you finally get a good schedule and it's pretty tough to get fired. However, if you take that same skill set anywhere else, you'd be hard pressed to find health benefits, let alone travel.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineskycub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9743 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 14):
However, if you take that same skill set anywhere else, you'd be hard pressed to find health benefits, let alone travel.

He be right. We all be a bunch of ignorant fools who are lucky to function in society, let alone find our way to an airport without help. I am also so glad when some one who don't do my job tells me what I be worth. Thank ya, Sir!


User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1180 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9716 times:

Within the last several years of F/A hiring at Delta, I'm pretty sure not one was hired
without a College degree.


User currently offlinedeltairlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8898 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9705 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 14):
The minimum requirements in the US are basically a high school equivalent degree, and with that you get decent pay and travel/health benefits. If you're a language speaker you probably even start with a decent schedule too. If not, after a zillion years on reserve you finally get a good schedule and it's pretty tough to get fired. However, if you take that same skill set anywhere else, you'd be hard pressed to find health benefits, let alone travel.

Some airlines (such as Delta) don't even have reserve - these new hires will be flying a line from the beginning, albeit with (most likely; not sure about the LOD FAs) six A-Days a month, which are similar to sitting reserve. Still, it's a nice feature to be able to know ahead of time that you'll be flying instead of sitting at home all day waiting for a phone call from crew scheduling.

My guess is if you're not a language speaker, you'll start in BOS or NYC. A good friend of mine was hired in the 2011 class and was sent to BOS to start; after about 6-8 months she was able to transfer down to Atlanta. That being said, many of the more "deluxe" bases won't be within reach for many of these new FAs for years - after the DL/NW integration, I had quite a few friends (mostly '07 hires) trying to get into Orlando, Ft. Lauderdale/Miami, Los Angeles, Seattle, Salt Lake, etc. and were not even close to the cutoff of making it to those bases.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17450 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9690 times:

Quoting skycub (Reply 15):

He be right. We all be a bunch of ignorant fools who are lucky to function in society, let alone find our way to an airport without help. I am also so glad when some one who don't do my job tells me what I be worth. Thank ya, Sir!

Your words, not mine.

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 16):
Within the last several years of F/A hiring at Delta, I'm pretty sure not one was hired
without a College degree.

That may be true, but direct from DL.com:

http://www.deltajobs.net/flight_attendants.htm

"While specific positions will have unique requirements (see individual job descriptions), you must possess at least a H.S. diploma/GED equivalent, be at least 18 years of age, and possess current authorization to work in the U.S. to work at Delta."

The actual FA job reqs reflect the same, although some college is preferred.

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 17):
Still, it's a nice feature to be able to know ahead of time that you'll be flying instead of sitting at home all day waiting for a phone call from crew scheduling.

Even better!



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlinedeltairlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8898 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9642 times:

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 16):

Within the last several years of F/A hiring at Delta, I'm pretty sure not one was hired
without a College degree.

Granted I'm more knowledgeable with Northwest hiring in 2007 since that's how most of my friends got hired (so slightly different twist to now), but I think only one of them had a college degree at the time. One has gone back and got her associates, but the rest just have some college experience.

My friend in 2011 does have her bachelor's degree though.


User currently onlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 782 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9601 times:

The minimum is HS diploma...however ever since the last hiring, unless you were language qualified, very very few without a degree got hired. Times are a changing.

User currently offlinecaptainstefan From United States of America, joined May 2007, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9575 times:

Internally here at DL I heard that the number of open positions was anywhere from 280-500. I know at least 10 coworkers in my department who applied, and only 3 of us have not been rejected (yet). If the internal rejection rate is that high, I can't imagine how many external applicants aren't even making it to the interview stage.


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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1871 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7947 times:
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I was rejected as well, I think its because I'm a former employee.


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User currently offlineflybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6800 times:

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 1):
I wish all who applied the best of luck. It's a very competitive job with huge rewards...just remember those rewards are deferred lol

Not sure why anyone would want to be cabin crew. A flight attendant can look forward to spending lots of time away from home, non-competitive salaries, high amounts of stress in an adversarial customer service environment, cyclic furloughs or layoffs every 3-5 years. Asian and Middle Eastern carriers have better practices surrounding this sort of job. Start working as cabin crew in your early 20's as a wide-eyed naive young'in... then when jaded sensibilities replace optimistic outlooks by your late 20's, move on to a career more suitable for an adult wanting to start a family.

This is not so much a career as it is an 'alternative lifestyle'. You gotta really love it otherwise there are plenty of other professions that have better hours, pay and stability that demand the same basic skill sets.



"Are you a pretender... or a thoroughbred?!" - Professor Matt Miller
User currently offlinecrj200faguy From United States of America, joined May 2007, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6724 times:

I have a ton of friends who have applied there now and in the past. They seem to only take a small section of regional FAs. Judging from the FAs on my last 2 flights. They need a better hiring system.

Flight 1- Flight Leader was working the back. Never bothered to brief the exit row. Stopped in the first row of the exit row to hit on the lady sitting there and ask find out her plans once we landed.

Flight 2- FC FA was talking loudly on the phone in the galley while making drinks during boarding. Apparently, he's gonna "holla at you when I gets back to ATL"


25 brilondon : How is this different than any other job out there? Everything is competitive and people who don' t investigate the actual job and see what the pitfal
26 delta2ual : If they only knew! LOL JK It is a great gig for a younger person but I couldn't imagine starting at the bottom at my age (early 40's). I was 22 when
27 kevin752 : I agree with what you said. I work as a gate agent and it is a hard job being a f/a is much harder than what I do and people thing working for the ai
28 deltairlines : Yup - for every long layover in a nice beach destination such as Guam or Rio, you can pretty much expect a few long layovers at airport hotels in sma
29 Post contains images toobz : Actually if you hold language qualification or have seniority and can hold Intl trips, it's pretty cush. Work 8-9 hrs with a couple hour break, arrive
30 B727FA : All new hires have 6 ADY (A Days) and will have them until they're no longer required to hold ADY at all. People will not drop down to 3 anymore. REG
31 Post contains images Stratofish : Ok, thank you for explaining the ballpark here. 70k is not bad at all. OTOH, I can think of more than one advantage of putting young FAs on transatlan
32 toobz : Ha. well NYC is very expensive for somebody that is just starting their career. Most FAs have "crash pads". These are aptartments that a few FAs, or p
33 jetjack74 : Well, based on language needs, some maybe based in places like SEA, HNL, LAX out of training if enough current FAs don't voluntarily transfer to thes
34 B727FA : The LOD applicants were told in the hiriing information to expect certain cities--but could be based anywhere based on operational need. (IE French co
35 klkla : Just out of curiosity.. and not be be offensive.. but why would you need a college degree to be a FA?
36 Post contains images toobz : Kikla...because DL can be picky when you have over 45000 applicants supply and demand. I know a college degree doesn't mean everything, but it shows c
37 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Again, I can't think of much else where you can do something like that on a high school degree. Yeah I think when people are young and don't know any
38 TR1 : Would Delta hire an applicant who spoke a difficult language such as Chinese, Japanese, Russian even though they be appear to be lacking in customer s
39 FlyDeltaJets : It's not a job for everyone, but there are those that enjoy it. Because you can speak a difficult language, does not mean that you can deal with peop
40 questions : From the point of submitting the application, what does the interviewing/selection process look like?
41 mayor : While not a requirement for F/As as it is with Pilots, I'm sure the college degree thing is just a way to pare down the number of applicants.
42 klkla : You're probably right but a college degree does not increase the odds that an applicant will have good customer service skills or be a better flight
43 mayor : No, but like I said........since it's not a real requirement, it's just being used to eliminate a bunch of those applicants. Back in the 70s, when DL
44 AADC10 : What I understand is that only a brief portion of FA training is in service, so there is not a long and precise list of allowable behavior. A vast ma
45 B727FA : Critical languages might open the door for some people, but in the end, if they can't play nice and do the job, they won't last. RE: a college degree,
46 mayor : However, there are SOME airlines that require a college degree to be hired as a pilot.......DL is one and I can tell you that they don't back off on
47 stratosphere : Well hate to tell ya Mayor but DL did get a few pilots without a college degree with the NW merger. One of them is a close friend of mine..Hell of a
48 ItalianFlyer : To be honest, there is NO WAY I could do your CSA job....I see the kind of abuse you all take from all sides. Here's a dirty little secret to all asp
49 mayor : I think you miss my point.......I'm talking of pilot applicants off the street, not pilots that are coming on board during an airline merger. I hardl
50 OOer : Wrong. The minimum requirements are a GED, and there are plenty of F/A's hired in 2006,2007,2008,2009, and 2011 that don't have a college degree.
51 B727FA : Didn't I just say that? It's WAY more than 5K! Most who will quite do so in year 1-2, if you make it to 5 you're a lifer. Generally speaking.
52 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : A college degree for a flight attendant position is is a waste of time and money for the the potential candidate. Unless you are majoring in somethin
53 Post contains images rwy04lga : Delta did not actually hire them, NW did. Perhaps those pilot candidates went to NW because NW had lower standards. IMHO, I don't think Mayor really
54 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : These pilots that Northwest hired may of been the BEST qualified pilots available when Northwest hired them. Just because you have a college degree a
55 B727FA : Wow, Rooster! Guess there's no reason for someone to have a second or third career! "That was a wasted degree for while I had it...guess I'll just bec
56 mayor : But, wouldn't you agree that DL's requirement for pilot applicants to have a college degree is slightly inflexible? I mean, if an applicant has flown
57 ikramerica : It's all about perspective. My career works differently. When I'm involved in a construction project, it can be long hours, six days a week, waking u
58 mayor : As I stated before, while not a "stated" requirement, the lack of a college degree could be used, at some level, to weed out the applicants. There ha
59 brilondon : Yes, experience is very important especially for as pilot. You usually need a minimum number of hours as a commercial pilot to be hired on by one of
60 Post contains images mayor : Well, I'm certainly glad that it wasn't you sitting across from me when I applied at DL. The person that did hire me, at ORD, later became my station
61 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : Unless a person applying for a flight attendant has a degree in some almost meaningless field, they would be considered over qualified for the positi
62 mayor : At one time, when you hired on at DL, at least in ACS, you could start in cargo, ramp, ticket counter/gates, etc. Then it was changed where cabin ser
63 NWAESC : All hiring in ACS (120 & 125) is now done via the Ready Reserve program.
64 AADC10 : I guess that leaves Chuck Yeager out. He was also rejected for the Mercury program because he did not have a degree. It probably is a waste for the c
65 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : You take that attitude and the janitors will need a college degree with a large student loan. Like when I was in college in the 1960s the joke was, i
66 AADC10 : At a certain point, employers do not want people with too much education because they are they are less likely to stay in lower level jobs. You do no
67 brilondon : I don't think that he would be looking for a job today, and that is what they are talking about. In today's job market, the companies can ask you to
68 Post contains images B727FA : But since we all know that FAs are "unskilled" and "no education required" I must be the anomaly with a triple major (with honors in all three) and my
69 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : Obviously with your "triple major", YOU are not over qualified to be an unskilled flight attendant. Either your triple major with honors is not of mu
70 mayor : And HOW would that be? I can't see that they were.
71 Alnicocunife : Could it be that airlines want, well rounded (no pun intended) educated persons? If you have a degree in anything you have been exposed to a variety o
72 B727FA : Easy Rooster...where did I say I was persecuted? When did I start crying on your shoulder? Speech Communications, Theatre and Psychology all play int
73 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : Great you are using your degrees and I do not have any misplaced anger. As an example,I know a person who has a degree in accounting and is certified
74 questions : Anyone, anyone?
75 Alnicocunife : Delta uses a Situation/Task, Action, Result (STAR) type interview. (examples on Youtube) There is a score based on the candidates response with the h
76 B727FA : Who said an FA with a degree is better than another? Didn't come out of my mouth/keyboard. That hasn't happened to me in nearly 20 years...guess bein
77 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : If being a FA best serves your desires, that is great, but it would not have served my desires or wallet. It sounds as though you need to have the la
78 Post contains images B727FA : B727FA Rooster
79 hohd : A good portion of the hires would be from FAs already flying regionals. I am sure many of the applicants are already working or have worked in the ind
80 deltairlines : What makes you say that? It can often be best to hire someone who isn't already a FA, as it's easier to train them to Delta standards than to wean th
81 mayor : I agree........when I hired on, I was in my indoctrination class at DL with others like me, with no "airline" experience (but I did have Air Force ex
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