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DAL Aspiring Flight Attendants - 1-110 Odds  
User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9362 posts, RR: 26
Posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11297 times:

Good luck to all those who applied!

"By Mary Jane Credeur
Feb. 1 (Bloomberg) -- Delta Air Lines Inc. has received
44,000 applications for 400 flight-attendant positions,
showcasing demand for jobs with the U.S. unemployment rate mired
near 8 percent."

http://washpost.bloomberg.com/Story?...YHQ0X01-30ABJ9EAE1G2EMA695PMJ24QPU


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User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11212 times:

And this is shocking because.........   

Having recruited before....I can assure you that about 20% do not meet the basic qualifications. Then the selection process will weed out candidates on the phone interview. What always intrigues me is how many people make it to the mass invite interviews and have no idea about the nature of the job. Many think that pay per hr is based on a 40 hr week, not block or guarntee. Allot of candidates, especially from So. Cal., think they will get LAX right out of training or at worst be there within a year. They look at you with disbelief when we say you WILL be missing birthdays, weddings, holidays, anniversaries,the kids play, etc. for the first 5 to 7 years of your career. After we cover the nitty gritty of pay, scheduling and how to use public transportation in NYC I have seen half the room thank us for the invite and ask for the next flight home.

I wish all who applied the best of luck. It's a very competitive job with huge rewards...just remember those rewards are deferred lol. I'm just saying don't be discouraged by the lottery winning odds in the article, there are other forces at play here.

[Edited 2013-02-01 08:57:25]

User currently offlinestrfyr51 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 1214 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11033 times:
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I don't work in in flight but as with most airline jobs you can always find one if you're willing to work, BUT to work where you want to LIVE?? That's a problem. Many cannot fathom having to work Christmas day, New Years, Easter. Memorial day, Independence day, Labor day, and Thanksgiving all in the same YEAR .
It's NOT always this bad but every 3-4 years I miss EVERY doggone Holiday and my wife puts up with it.
Which is why I thank My STARS I married her, I've seen it break up marriages. Airline Jobs aren't FOR everybody this is the ultimate "service industry".


User currently offlineYYZbound From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10969 times:

I actually helped out with the flight attendant hiring process at my previous airline...was part of the 'cattle call' a couple of times. VERY eye-opening....it made me see all the mistakes I had made in my failed interviews.

And I got SO tired of hearing "I love people and I love travel"


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17481 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10687 times:

Given the skillset required and the compensation, a mainline flight attendant is a pretty good gig. Probably one of the best out there; that's why the ratio of applicants to jobs is 100+:1


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User currently offlineStratofish From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1051 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10617 times:

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 1):
and how to use public transportation in NYC

I agree with all of your post, but: you let your crews use public transportation to get to their hotel?!?  Wow! Then you'd see me walk out of there as well.

Or are we talking about NYC BASED crews here?

Are US mainline FAs paid that much better than their European counterparts? Here it's a job that will "feed you well" but certainly it is none of the "best gigs out there".



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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 5029 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10532 times:

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 5):
I agree with all of your post, but: you let your crews use public transportation to get to their hotel?!? Wow! Then you'd see me walk out of there as well.

I think they are talking about using public transportation in NYC if you are domiciled/based there. EWR & JFK are usually very junior bases.



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User currently offlineskycub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10465 times:

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 2):
Many cannot fathom having to work Christmas day, New Years, Easter. Memorial day, Independence day, Labor day, and Thanksgiving all in the same YEAR .

Wait just a minute..... You mean.... some people actually get holidays off?????   

Wow. Who knew?


User currently offlinecornutt From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 338 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10334 times:

The daughter of a lady my wife works with just got an FA job with a regional. Not sure which one (my wife didn't remember the name), but the daughter was asked where she wanted to be based: IAH, ORD, or somewhere else (can't remember the third one). She chose ORD, which was probably smart; she said almost everyone else wanted IAH, not surprising. She's got a route and starts Monday. I'll try to find out more.

User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1668 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10305 times:

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 2):
Many cannot fathom having to work Christmas day, New Years, Easter. Memorial day, Independence day, Labor day, and Thanksgiving all in the same YEAR .

On the flip side, you also get far more days off work than someone who works a normal 40hr 5x/week job. Albeit your "on" days are longer.


User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10284 times:

Strato...I know a few senior DL f/as who earn in the 60-70k range. yeah they make more than their European counterparts. Plus the benefits are better too (with DL at least)

User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10004 times:

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 5):
Or are we talking about NYC BASED crews here?

HAHAHA...not the layover hotel (if they could get away with it, it would happen)...im talking BASE.

There is just an odd sense that somehow people think they will be based in places like LAX,IAH,MIA,DFW,PHX,SEA right out of training. I even saw this denial during initial training before base assignments were made towards the end. People were shocked and angry when they got sent to places like NY/DC/CHI/PHL. While it MAY happen, its more of a long shot than the 1-110 hiring odds.


User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2091 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9833 times:

I am certain that there is a higher than normal number of applicants because there has been little FA hiring since 9/11. Those that want to become a FA with a major airline have had to wait for over a decade. Some of the applicants may be FAs on regionals or on furlough from a major that is not hiring.

While demand is picking up, the leading edge of the baby boomers are starting to retire, so some FA jobs are finally opening. Not all FAs work until they are 84.

I have heard complaints that in boom times airlines would hire anyone with a pulse because there were not enough people available at the bases where they were needed and many would quit soon afterward because they were not really qualified in the first place. Now, because of the pent up interest, the airlines can be picky about their hires. I will be interested to see if that translates into better in flight service. If nothing else we may start to see some FAs that have not been beaten down by the job over the years.


User currently offlineKC135Hydraulics From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9828 times:

I missed thanksgiving, Christmas, New years, and nearly my wife's birthday on this deployment alone. I think I could handle a few missed holidays as long as I knew I would be home within a few days of it when my trip sequence was over. There are certainly worse things than being a flight attendant!

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17481 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9791 times:

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 5):
Are US mainline FAs paid that much better than their European counterparts? Here it's a job that will "feed you well" but certainly it is none of the "best gigs out there".

The minimum requirements in the US are basically a high school equivalent degree, and with that you get decent pay and travel/health benefits. If you're a language speaker you probably even start with a decent schedule too. If not, after a zillion years on reserve you finally get a good schedule and it's pretty tough to get fired. However, if you take that same skill set anywhere else, you'd be hard pressed to find health benefits, let alone travel.



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User currently offlineskycub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9760 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 14):
However, if you take that same skill set anywhere else, you'd be hard pressed to find health benefits, let alone travel.

He be right. We all be a bunch of ignorant fools who are lucky to function in society, let alone find our way to an airport without help. I am also so glad when some one who don't do my job tells me what I be worth. Thank ya, Sir!


User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1184 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9733 times:

Within the last several years of F/A hiring at Delta, I'm pretty sure not one was hired
without a College degree.


User currently offlinedeltairlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9722 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 14):
The minimum requirements in the US are basically a high school equivalent degree, and with that you get decent pay and travel/health benefits. If you're a language speaker you probably even start with a decent schedule too. If not, after a zillion years on reserve you finally get a good schedule and it's pretty tough to get fired. However, if you take that same skill set anywhere else, you'd be hard pressed to find health benefits, let alone travel.

Some airlines (such as Delta) don't even have reserve - these new hires will be flying a line from the beginning, albeit with (most likely; not sure about the LOD FAs) six A-Days a month, which are similar to sitting reserve. Still, it's a nice feature to be able to know ahead of time that you'll be flying instead of sitting at home all day waiting for a phone call from crew scheduling.

My guess is if you're not a language speaker, you'll start in BOS or NYC. A good friend of mine was hired in the 2011 class and was sent to BOS to start; after about 6-8 months she was able to transfer down to Atlanta. That being said, many of the more "deluxe" bases won't be within reach for many of these new FAs for years - after the DL/NW integration, I had quite a few friends (mostly '07 hires) trying to get into Orlando, Ft. Lauderdale/Miami, Los Angeles, Seattle, Salt Lake, etc. and were not even close to the cutoff of making it to those bases.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17481 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9707 times:

Quoting skycub (Reply 15):

He be right. We all be a bunch of ignorant fools who are lucky to function in society, let alone find our way to an airport without help. I am also so glad when some one who don't do my job tells me what I be worth. Thank ya, Sir!

Your words, not mine.

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 16):
Within the last several years of F/A hiring at Delta, I'm pretty sure not one was hired
without a College degree.

That may be true, but direct from DL.com:

http://www.deltajobs.net/flight_attendants.htm

"While specific positions will have unique requirements (see individual job descriptions), you must possess at least a H.S. diploma/GED equivalent, be at least 18 years of age, and possess current authorization to work in the U.S. to work at Delta."

The actual FA job reqs reflect the same, although some college is preferred.

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 17):
Still, it's a nice feature to be able to know ahead of time that you'll be flying instead of sitting at home all day waiting for a phone call from crew scheduling.

Even better!



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User currently offlinedeltairlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9659 times:

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 16):

Within the last several years of F/A hiring at Delta, I'm pretty sure not one was hired
without a College degree.

Granted I'm more knowledgeable with Northwest hiring in 2007 since that's how most of my friends got hired (so slightly different twist to now), but I think only one of them had a college degree at the time. One has gone back and got her associates, but the rest just have some college experience.

My friend in 2011 does have her bachelor's degree though.


User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9618 times:

The minimum is HS diploma...however ever since the last hiring, unless you were language qualified, very very few without a degree got hired. Times are a changing.

User currently offlinecaptainstefan From United States of America, joined May 2007, 429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9592 times:

Internally here at DL I heard that the number of open positions was anywhere from 280-500. I know at least 10 coworkers in my department who applied, and only 3 of us have not been rejected (yet). If the internal rejection rate is that high, I can't imagine how many external applicants aren't even making it to the interview stage.


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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1881 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7964 times:
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I was rejected as well, I think its because I'm a former employee.


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User currently offlineflybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6817 times:

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 1):
I wish all who applied the best of luck. It's a very competitive job with huge rewards...just remember those rewards are deferred lol

Not sure why anyone would want to be cabin crew. A flight attendant can look forward to spending lots of time away from home, non-competitive salaries, high amounts of stress in an adversarial customer service environment, cyclic furloughs or layoffs every 3-5 years. Asian and Middle Eastern carriers have better practices surrounding this sort of job. Start working as cabin crew in your early 20's as a wide-eyed naive young'in... then when jaded sensibilities replace optimistic outlooks by your late 20's, move on to a career more suitable for an adult wanting to start a family.

This is not so much a career as it is an 'alternative lifestyle'. You gotta really love it otherwise there are plenty of other professions that have better hours, pay and stability that demand the same basic skill sets.



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User currently offlinecrj200faguy From United States of America, joined May 2007, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6741 times:

I have a ton of friends who have applied there now and in the past. They seem to only take a small section of regional FAs. Judging from the FAs on my last 2 flights. They need a better hiring system.

Flight 1- Flight Leader was working the back. Never bothered to brief the exit row. Stopped in the first row of the exit row to hit on the lady sitting there and ask find out her plans once we landed.

Flight 2- FC FA was talking loudly on the phone in the galley while making drinks during boarding. Apparently, he's gonna "holla at you when I gets back to ATL"


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4224 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7077 times:

How is this different than any other job out there? Everything is competitive and people who don' t investigate the actual job and see what the pitfalls of the position they are applying for are may be disappointed no doubt. I was a hiring manager in the past and believe me, you get all types coming into the initial interview and you need to dispel any myths that they may have heard about the job. Being a flight attendant is not for the faint of heart. It means long hours, time away from home, working holidays and any day that people are travelling. They see shows like Pan Am and see movies like Catch me if you Can, and think that the job only entails serving drinks, food and making people comfortable, but that is just what we see. Talk to a F/A and see that there is much more to the job then that. So, they fly all over the world. Yeah, well that is not all that it is cracked up to be. Chances are you will be spending alot of unpaid down time in cities that have no glitz and glamour what so ever. But then I am talking to people who know that, thank you for reading.


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User currently offlinedelta2ual From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7074 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
Given the skillset required and the compensation, a mainline flight attendant is a pretty good gig. Probably one of the best out there; that's why the ratio of applicants to jobs is 100+:1

If they only knew! LOL JK
It is a great gig for a younger person but I couldn't imagine starting at the bottom at my age (early 40's). I was 22 when I started flying and it was fantastic. By the time I quit flying (almost 16 years) I had a pretty cushy schedule, but I spent the first 6-7 Christmases away from home.
I prefer how we do it in nursing: everyone (regardless of seniority) works every 3rd holiday and every 3rd weekend; it makes sense to spread the wealth and share the pain. Also makes for happier employees. Just my 0.02



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User currently offlinekevin752 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 726 posts, RR: 4
Reply 27, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7302 times:

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 1):
Having recruited before....I can assure you that about 20% do not meet the basic qualifications. Then the selection process will weed out candidates on the phone interview. What always intrigues me is how many people make it to the mass invite interviews and have no idea about the nature of the job. Many think that pay per hr is based on a 40 hr week, not block or guarntee. Allot of candidates, especially from So. Cal., think they will get LAX right out of training or at worst be there within a year. They look at you with disbelief when we say you WILL be missing birthdays, weddings, holidays, anniversaries,the kids play, etc. for the first 5 to 7 years of your career. After we cover the nitty gritty of pay, scheduling and how to use public transportation in NYC I have seen half the room thank us for the invite and ask for the next flight home.

I wish all who applied the best of luck. It's a very competitive job with huge rewards...just remember those rewards are deferred lol. I'm just saying don't be discouraged by the lottery winning odds in the article, there are other forces at play here.

I agree with what you said. I work as a gate agent and it is a hard job being a f/a is much harder than what I do and people thing working for the airlines is easy.



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User currently offlinedeltairlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 28, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7271 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 25):
Yeah, well that is not all that it is cracked up to be. Chances are you will be spending alot of unpaid down time in cities that have no glitz and glamour what so ever. But then I am talking to people who know that, thank you for reading.

Yup - for every long layover in a nice beach destination such as Guam or Rio, you can pretty much expect a few long layovers at airport hotels in small, random cities where there is nothing to do but watch TV in bed all day; that or it's short overnights in some nice cities but you get to your hotel at midnight and are out the door at 8 a.m. with enough time to sleep and maybe eat breakfast.


User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7227 times:

Actually if you hold language qualification or have seniority and can hold Intl trips, it's pretty cush. Work 8-9 hrs with a couple hour break, arrive in Europe in the morning and have the whole day to do whatever you want. Not that bad. But yes in the beginning flying ATL-SLC-DEN and arriving late at hotel and doing it all again the next day is tiresome. But if you put the time in, you will get better schedules. Nobody is forcing anyone into this career. I say career because it can and is very rewarding if you stick with it. But a lot of people think that they'll be based near or at home and get to fly to Paris and Brussels right off the bat...umm no. But it is a rewarding job. It depends on YOUR attitude  

User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 763 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7141 times:

All new hires have 6 ADY (A Days) and will have them until they're no longer required to hold ADY at all. People will not drop down to 3 anymore. REG and LOD FA's all carry ADY.


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User currently offlineStratofish From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1051 posts, RR: 5
Reply 31, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7027 times:

Ok, thank you for explaining the ballpark here.
70k is not bad at all. OTOH, I can think of more than one advantage of putting young FAs on transatlantic or transpacific routes.

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 11):
HAHAHA...not the layover hotel (if they could get away with it, it would happen)...im talking BASE.

That's what I thought  
Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 11):
There is just an odd sense that somehow people think they will be based in places like LAX,IAH,MIA,DFW,PHX,SEA right out of training. I even saw this denial during initial training before base assignments were made towards the end. People were shocked and angry when they got sent to places like NY/DC/CHI/PHL

Interesting, wouldn't most of us prefer NYC or CHI over places like DFW or PHX (not that these were bad in any way but still..) Ok, this is going non-av. Good to hear DL will get some quality FAs soon and more people have jobs.



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User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6940 times:

Ha. well NYC is very expensive for somebody that is just starting their career. Most FAs have "crash pads". These are aptartments that a few FAs, or pilots, share. Nothing fancy and nothing glamorous. But it's a place to stay. Commuting is hard. I travel with a pretty decent seniority and still have a hard time! Couldn't imagine trying to commute with a 2013 DOE!! (date of employment). NYC is glamorous if you can afford manhattan lol

User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 33, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6582 times:
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Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 11):
There is just an odd sense that somehow people think they will be based in places like LAX,IAH,MIA,DFW,PHX,SEA right out of training.

Well, based on language needs, some maybe based in places like SEA, HNL, LAX out of training if enough current FAs don't voluntarily transfer to these locations. Prior to the merger with DL, we at NW had a bunch of new-hires that were FORCED here to SEA because all of the voluntary transfers had been exhausted. We may see more coming as our base will be expanding with LOD, PQ and reg FA positions that will become available over the next year



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User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 763 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6555 times:

The LOD applicants were told in the hiriing information to expect certain cities--but could be based anywhere based on operational need. (IE French could get CVG, SEA or ATL; MA expect SEA, ATL or DTW...etc.)

The irony for a lot of PMDL folks dying to get into SEA, as the poster said above, PMNW was "forcing" people into SEA. In Dec x-fer into NYC was running 41 years to hold it. It's back down now, but winter is really slow season for x-fers.



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User currently offlineklkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 933 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6502 times:

Just out of curiosity.. and not be be offensive.. but why would you need a college degree to be a FA?

User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6448 times:

Kikla...because DL can be picky when you have over 45000 applicants   supply and demand. I know a college degree doesn't mean everything, but it shows commitment.

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17481 posts, RR: 46
Reply 37, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6122 times:

Quoting toobz (Reply 29):
Work 8-9 hrs with a couple hour break, arrive in Europe in the morning and have the whole day to do whatever you want. Not that bad

   Again, I can't think of much else where you can do something like that on a high school degree.

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 31):
Interesting, wouldn't most of us prefer NYC or CHI over places like DFW or PHX (not that these were bad in any way but still..)

Yeah I think when people are young and don't know anything they want to live in NYC/CHI--I know I did--and then they grow up and realize it's pretty great to live in a city you can afford.



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User currently offlineTR1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 271 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6053 times:

Would Delta hire an applicant who spoke a difficult language such as Chinese, Japanese, Russian even though they be appear to be lacking in customer service skills? This is something I've always wondered.

User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1881 posts, RR: 2
Reply 39, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5928 times:
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Quoting flybyguy (Reply 23):
Not sure why anyone would want to be cabin crew. A flight attendant can look forward to spending lots of time away from home, non-competitive salaries, high amounts of stress in an adversarial customer service environment, cyclic furloughs or layoffs every 3-5 years. Asian and Middle Eastern carriers have better practices surrounding this sort of job.

It's not a job for everyone, but there are those that enjoy it.

Quoting TR1 (Reply 38):
Would Delta hire an applicant who spoke a difficult language such as Chinese, Japanese, Russian even though they be appear to be lacking in customer service skills? This is something I've always wondered.

Because you can speak a difficult language, does not mean that you can deal with people. The flight attendant job is the most customer service orientated job in the entire airline.



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User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined exactly 3 years ago today! , 779 posts, RR: 1
Reply 40, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5780 times:

From the point of submitting the application, what does the interviewing/selection process look like?

User currently onlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10417 posts, RR: 14
Reply 41, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5708 times:

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 16):

Within the last several years of F/A hiring at Delta, I'm pretty sure not one was hired
without a College degree.

While not a requirement for F/As as it is with Pilots, I'm sure the college degree thing is just a way to pare down the number of applicants.



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User currently offlineklkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 933 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5655 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 41):
While not a requirement for F/As as it is with Pilots, I'm sure the college degree thing is just a way to pare down the number of applicants.

You're probably right but a college degree does not increase the odds that an applicant will have good customer service skills or be a better flight attendant in any way.

It would be nice if airlines tested applicants based on their service attitude as a way to pare down the number of applicants.


User currently onlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10417 posts, RR: 14
Reply 43, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5477 times:

Quoting klkla (Reply 42):
You're probably right but a college degree does not increase the odds that an applicant will have good customer service skills or be a better flight attendant in any way.

No, but like I said........since it's not a real requirement, it's just being used to eliminate a bunch of those applicants. Back in the 70s, when DL was building up MCO, they got alot of applications for transfer from other stations. One of the ways that they eliminated some of those applicants in the first round was whether you had one or less sick days in the year.



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User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2091 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5124 times:

Quoting crj200faguy (Reply 24):
Flight 1- Flight Leader was working the back. Never bothered to brief the exit row. Stopped in the first row of the exit row to hit on the lady sitting there and ask find out her plans once we landed.

Flight 2- FC FA was talking loudly on the phone in the galley while making drinks during boarding. Apparently, he's gonna "holla at you when I gets back to ATL"

What I understand is that only a brief portion of FA training is in service, so there is not a long and precise list of allowable behavior. A vast majority of the training is for safety. Not briefing the exit row is inexcusable, although it might have been done when the poster did not see or hear it or the exit row was filled with non-revs who are sometimes briefed at the gate. The other behavior was not especially disruptive. I am sure passengers would like perfect behavior from the FAs but being mildly uncouth is not a big deal. Really bad behavior might be noticed by non-rev employees on the flight, so that tends to limit it, although bad things happen all of the time.

Quoting klkla (Reply 35):
Just out of curiosity.. and not be be offensive.. but why would you need a college degree to be a FA?

A degree is not necessary and the airlines do not list it as a requirement. There are many jobs that do require a college degree for no reason. For employers it is an indication that the candidate was able to apply themselves and probably show up once in a while. If you had a choice among a bunch of qualified candidates and some had college degrees and some did not, which ones would you select? Since there are hundreds of applicants for each position, why not choose the one with a degree?

There are some tests, which are not academically difficult but require a considerable amount of memorization, so study and focus is required. A speaker at a FA graduation joked about "how hard could it be to open a Coke can?" but there are some people that fail paper tests or the evacuation tests.

Quoting TR1 (Reply 38):

Would Delta hire an applicant who spoke a difficult language such as Chinese, Japanese, Russian even though they be appear to be lacking in customer service skills? This is something I've always wondered.

I doubt it. I know that other airlines would not. Chinese speakers are a dime a dozen. The need for Russian speakers is low because there are not many passengers. Japanese is in demand but Japanese nationals would never accept rude Japanese speakers.


User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 763 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4950 times:

Critical languages might open the door for some people, but in the end, if they can't play nice and do the job, they won't last.

RE: a college degree, it points to following through, getting something done, self-discipline, etc. That in and of itself also doesn't mean they'll become good FA's, but it speaks to a skill set that all plays into the job. A popular misconception is that pilots NEED a degree. That might be a requirement of the AIRLINE, but it is NOT an FAR. Similarly, there is no FAA requirement that FA's have a diploma; that's an airline requirement.

@klkla, rest assured, the skills you mention are in play, too. A non-degree holder is not out-of-hand denied the position.



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User currently onlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10417 posts, RR: 14
Reply 46, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4859 times:

Quoting B727FA (Reply 45):
A popular misconception is that pilots NEED a degree. That might be a requirement of the AIRLINE, but it is NOT an FAR. Similarly, there is no FAA requirement that FA's have a diploma; that's an airline requirement.

However, there are SOME airlines that require a college degree to be hired as a pilot.......DL is one and I can tell you that they don't back off on that requirement, no matter how much flying experience the applicant has.



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User currently offlinestratosphere From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1653 posts, RR: 4
Reply 47, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4807 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 46):
However, there are SOME airlines that require a college degree to be hired as a pilot.......DL is one and I can tell you that they don't back off on that requirement, no matter how much flying experience the applicant has.

Well hate to tell ya Mayor but DL did get a few pilots without a college degree with the NW merger. One of them is a close friend of mine..Hell of a pilot though and was a line mechanic before he became a pilot for NW.



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User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 48, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4702 times:

Quoting kevin752 (Reply 27):
I agree with what you said. I work as a gate agent and it is a hard job being a f/a is much harder than what I do and people thing working for the airlines is easy.

To be honest, there is NO WAY I could do your CSA job....I see the kind of abuse you all take from all sides.

Here's a dirty little secret to all aspiring airline crew: before you get excited about hitting top out and bringing in 75K a year doing three 3 day PEKs and a high value turn...be forewarned, they are doing everything they can to keep this from remaining a career position. The trips are becoming harder in the name of 'productivity' ; transcon turns, duty days built ten minutes below legal maximums, four days built with o'dark thirty report times AND redeyes all in the same sequence. This takes a physical toll,even for people who are healthy. People tear on fat FA s...but many of them are like that because their nutrition and sleep cycles are so screwed up their neuroendocrine system is on the verge of metabolic syndrome.

It costs about 5K per candidate for the interviews, vetting process, training, etc. It is very cost effective to go into perpetual hiring mode and have the majority of people hang up their wings after 5-10 years.


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Reply 49, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4636 times:

Quoting stratosphere (Reply 47):
Well hate to tell ya Mayor but DL did get a few pilots without a college degree with the NW merger. One of them is a close friend of mine..Hell of a pilot though and was a line mechanic before he became a pilot for NW.

I think you miss my point.......I'm talking of pilot applicants off the street, not pilots that are coming on board during an airline merger. I hardly think ALPA would have thought much of that if DL was to try and get rid of those pilots because they didn't meet the requirements.



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User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1466 posts, RR: 2
Reply 50, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4394 times:

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 16):
Within the last several years of F/A hiring at Delta, I'm pretty sure not one was hired
without a College degree.

Wrong. The minimum requirements are a GED, and there are plenty of F/A's hired in 2006,2007,2008,2009, and 2011 that don't have a college degree.


User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 763 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4295 times:

Quote:
Quoting B727FA (Reply 45):
A popular misconception is that pilots NEED a degree. That might be a requirement of the AIRLINE, but it is NOT an FAR. Similarly, there is no FAA requirement that FA's have a diploma; that's an airline requirement.

{Mayor}However, there are SOME airlines that require a college degree to be hired as a pilot.......DL is one and I can tell you that they don't back off on that requirement, no matter how much flying experience the applicant has.

Didn't I just say that?

Quote:

It costs about 5K per candidate for the interviews, vetting process, training, etc. It is very cost effective to go into perpetual hiring mode and have the majority of people hang up their wings after 5-10 years.

It's WAY more than 5K! Most who will quite do so in year 1-2, if you make it to 5 you're a lifer. Generally speaking.



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User currently onlineNWAROOSTER From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1088 posts, RR: 3
Reply 52, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4273 times:
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Quoting AADC10 (Reply 44):
do require a college degree for no reason. For employers it is an indication that the candidate was able to apply themselves and probably show up once in a while. If you had a choice among a bunch of qualified candidates and some had college degrees and some did not, which ones would you select? Since there are hundreds of applicants for each position, why not choose the one with a degree?

A college degree for a flight attendant position is is a waste of time and money for the the potential candidate. Unless you are majoring in something like engineering, medicine as a doctor or RN, law and other careers which require the advanced training, college has little to offer other than a lot of tuition costs, other expenses and college loans for very little financial gain. In a lot of cases, it just proves that you were able to pass the necessary tests, if you actually took them yourself, to obtain the degree in some non essential course material to obtain a degree. I wonder how many college graduates could now pass any of the tests they may have passed while in college.   


User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 53, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4255 times:

Quoting stratosphere (Reply 47):
Quoting mayor (Reply 46):
However, there are SOME airlines that require a college degree to be hired as a pilot.
Quoting stratosphere (Reply 47):
Well hate to tell ya Mayor but DL did get a few pilots without a college degree with the NW merger.

Delta did not actually hire them, NW did. Perhaps those pilot candidates went to NW because NW had lower standards.   IMHO, I don't think Mayor really cares if they have degrees or not.



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User currently onlineNWAROOSTER From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1088 posts, RR: 3
Reply 54, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4213 times:
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Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 53):

Quoting stratosphere (Reply 47):
Quoting mayor (Reply 46):
However, there are SOME airlines that require a college degree to be hired as a pilot.
Quoting stratosphere (Reply 47):
Well hate to tell ya Mayor but DL did get a few pilots without a college degree with the NW merger.

Delta did not actually hire them, NW did. Perhaps those pilot candidates went to NW because NW had lower standards.   IMHO, I don't think Mayor really cares if they have degrees or not.

These pilots that Northwest hired may of been the BEST qualified pilots available when Northwest hired them. Just because you have a college degree and have learned how to fly a Cessna or a Beechcraft Bugsmasher does NOT mean you are qualified to fly as pilot for any major airline.
For those of you who do not know what Beechcraft Bugsmasher is, It is a Beechcraft MODEL 18.   

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User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 763 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4201 times:

Wow, Rooster! Guess there's no reason for someone to have a second or third career! "That was a wasted degree for while I had it...guess I'll just become an FA now."

I have two masters degrees and an honors grad in 3 majors in my BA--I wasted nothing. I'm proud of my education and proud of my profession.



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User currently onlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10417 posts, RR: 14
Reply 56, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4157 times:

Quoting B727FA (Reply 55):
Wow, Rooster! Guess there's no reason for someone to have a second or third career! "That was a wasted degree for while I had it...guess I'll just become an FA now."

I have two masters degrees and an honors grad in 3 majors in my BA--I wasted nothing. I'm proud of my education and proud of my profession.

But, wouldn't you agree that DL's requirement for pilot applicants to have a college degree is slightly inflexible? I mean, if an applicant has flown for 3 or 4 different carriers and EMB120s, CRJ200s, Q400s, A320s, various bizjets, DC-10s wouldn't that combined experience make up for the fact that they don't have that degree? Is a degree in art history really an equilavant for that experience?

Quoting B727FA (Reply 51):
Didn't I just say that?

Yeah, and I missed that. Sorry.



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21525 posts, RR: 60
Reply 57, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4158 times:

Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 13):
I missed thanksgiving, Christmas, New years, and nearly my wife's birthday on this deployment alone. I think I could handle a few missed holidays as long as I knew I would be home within a few days of it when my trip sequence was over. There are certainly worse things than being a flight attendant!

It's all about perspective. My career works differently. When I'm involved in a construction project, it can be long hours, six days a week, waking up at 5AM to get materials in time for men to do their work, supervising, driving, supervising, lending a hand, keeping on top of everyone and everything. This year had to work on thanksgiving, then go to family dinner, then go BACK to job site to do more work.
Previously, working in movies, it was the same way when a project was on, but 7 days a week.
And in both cases, when I wasn't busy, sure I had free time, but that was also because I had no work which meant no money coming in.
Paying your dues is paying your dues. That 1/2 the applicants run away when they find out that they may have to pay their dues in a new job is a sad commentary on our society. They want everything without having to work for it.

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 44):
A degree is not necessary and the airlines do not list it as a requirement. There are many jobs that do require a college degree for no reason. For employers it is an indication that the candidate was able to apply themselves and probably show up once in a while. If you had a choice among a bunch of qualified candidates and some had college degrees and some did not, which ones would you select? Since there are hundreds of applicants for each position, why not choose the one with a degree?

It can also be a recipe for a discrimination lawsuit if the job truly does not require college level skills. It can "weed out" low income applicants, who by no fault of their own, were born into difficult circumstances. This group is more often than not made up of minority candidates. Employers should tread carefully when demanding a college degree when one is not necessary.

It would also "weed out" people who had to work for a living right out of highschool (and sometimes during), and who may be far more responsible than some fraternity or sorority clown from college.

And it would also eliminate many of the world's most successful people...

Quoting OOer (Reply 50):
Wrong. The minimum requirements are a GED, and there are plenty of F/A's hired in 2006,2007,2008,2009, and 2011 that don't have a college degree.

It would be ridiculous to make this a requirement. There is nothing an F/A does that requires a college degree. F/A skills are more about reliability, professionalism, attitude, teamwork, understanding hierarchy, understanding compliance, being able to assert oneself. I know plenty of people who graduated college who lack some or all of those skills, including myself.



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Reply 58, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4126 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 57):
It would be ridiculous to make this a requirement.

As I stated before, while not a "stated" requirement, the lack of a college degree could be used, at some level, to weed out the applicants. There has to be SOME WAY to get from 44,000 applicants down to 400. Within the company, for example, the use of sick time by the employee can be used as well as an arrest record.



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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4224 posts, RR: 1
Reply 59, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4117 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 56):
But, wouldn't you agree that DL's requirement for pilot applicants to have a college degree is slightly inflexible? I mean, if an applicant has flown for 3 or 4 different carriers and EMB120s, CRJ200s, Q400s, A320s, various bizjets, DC-10s wouldn't that combined experience make up for the fact that they don't have that degree? Is a degree in art history really an equilavant for that experience?

Yes, experience is very important especially for as pilot. You usually need a minimum number of hours as a commercial pilot to be hired on by one of the legacies. Also, a college degree also indicates an ability for critical thinking which may not seem like much but is very important. An F/A on the other hand does not have to have experience but due to the number of applicants they can obviously have what ever qualifications the airlines want. Generally, those who don't have a college degree in anything usually are not the type of person you would want to have working for you. There are obvious exceptions to the rule of course, but as a former hiring manager I would like to see a college degree for my sales force, but I did not always hire a college graduate if they impress me during the first few minutes of the interview. I would never hire an MBA or some one who does not seem interested in hard work, because the best sales person I would hire would impress me with in the first five minutes of the interview. So I can see why they would like a degree.



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User currently onlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10417 posts, RR: 14
Reply 60, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4095 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 59):
Generally, those who don't have a college degree in anything usually are not the type of person you would want to have working for you. There are obvious exceptions to the rule of course, but as a former hiring manager I would like to see a college degree for my sales force, but I did not always hire a college graduate if they impress me during the first few minutes of the interview. I would never hire an MBA or some one who does not seem interested in hard work, because the best sales person I would hire would impress me with in the first five minutes of the interview. So I can see why they would like a degree.

Well, I'm certainly glad that it wasn't you sitting across from me when I applied at DL.   The person that did hire me, at ORD, later became my station manager in SLC. He always said (I hope in jest) that hiring me was one of the biggest mistakes he ever made.



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User currently onlineNWAROOSTER From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1088 posts, RR: 3
Reply 61, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4073 times:
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Quoting mayor (Reply 58):
As I stated before, while not a "stated" requirement, the lack of a college degree could be used, at some level, to weed out the applicants. There has to be SOME WAY to get from 44,000 applicants down to 400. Within the company, for example, the use of sick time by the employee can be used as well as an arrest record.

Unless a person applying for a flight attendant has a degree in some almost meaningless field, they would be considered over qualified for the position. I applied for several positions and was told that I was over qualified. Now that could be considered reverse discrimination, but it also may have been true. You do not take a low level entry position unless that is all that is available. You need to be in a position that interests you and has a growing potential. If you want take the risk of accepting a flight attendant position with the hope rising up into some management position that may be a valid reason. However, it may be a long haul. Otherwise, look elsewhere.   


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Reply 62, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4006 times:

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 61):
Unless a person applying for a flight attendant has a degree in some almost meaningless field, they would be considered over qualified for the position. I applied for several positions and was told that I was over qualified. Now that could be considered reverse discrimination, but it also may have been true. You do not take a low level entry position unless that is all that is available. You need to be in a position that interests you and has a growing potential. If you want take the risk of accepting a flight attendant position with the hope rising up into some management position that may be a valid reason.

At one time, when you hired on at DL, at least in ACS, you could start in cargo, ramp, ticket counter/gates, etc. Then it was changed where cabin service was the entry level position in ACS for ALL applicants. Nowadays, I have no idea what would be considered "entry level", today.......perhaps "ready reserve"? Unless you're going for a management position in the upper echelons of the company, you would either start on the ramp or starting at the lowest rung in inflight. Same probably is true in other departments.



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User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 63, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3816 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 62):
Nowadays, I have no idea what would be considered "entry level", today.......perhaps "ready reserve"?

All hiring in ACS (120 & 125) is now done via the Ready Reserve program.



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User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2091 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3649 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 46):
However, there are SOME airlines that require a college degree to be hired as a pilot

I guess that leaves Chuck Yeager out. He was also rejected for the Mercury program because he did not have a degree.

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 52):
A college degree for a flight attendant position is is a waste of time and money for the the potential candidate.

It probably is a waste for the candidate. That does not prevent companies from using degrees as a filter. A degree from a major university shows some kind of accomplishment as opposed to having a GED.


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Reply 65, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3583 times:
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Quoting AADC10 (Reply 64):
Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 52):
A college degree for a flight attendant position is is a waste of time and money for the the potential candidate.

It probably is a waste for the candidate. That does not prevent companies from using degrees as a filter. A degree from a major university shows some kind of accomplishment as opposed to having a GED.

You take that attitude and the janitors will need a college degree with a large student loan. Like when I was in college in the 1960s the joke was, is your degree going to be in sanitary engineering so you could be a janitor and take out the trash or maybe you should major in underwater basket weaving. You only need so much education and a college degree is NOT required or necessary for most of them. What do you need to continue going to school until you are fifty????????   


User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2091 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3531 times:

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 65):
You take that attitude and the janitors will need a college degree with a large student loan. Like when I was in college in the 1960s the joke was, is your degree going to be in sanitary engineering so you could be a janitor and take out the trash or maybe you should major in underwater basket weaving.

At a certain point, employers do not want people with too much education because they are they are less likely to stay in lower level jobs. You do not get 110 applications for each janitorial position because it does not pay any better than a starting FA and the benefits are worse. FA is a special lifestyle and there are more people interested than there are positions. Not so much for janitor.

There has been degree creep and there a lots of people with degrees in jobs that probably do not require one but since so many people have one, it has become expected. That of course drives the value of a degree down while costs go up. FAs clearly do not need a college degree and that is clearly stated in the requirements. However, I believe a majority of FAs do have degrees.


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Reply 67, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3308 times:

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 64):
I guess that leaves Chuck Yeager out. He was also rejected for the Mercury program because he did not have a degree.

I don't think that he would be looking for a job today, and that is what they are talking about. In today's job market, the companies can ask you to have a certain level of education and most companies would be able to choose from quite a few candidates and must make a good selection because of the cost of making a mistake in hiring the wrong person could be quite high.



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User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 763 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3233 times:

But since we all know that FAs are "unskilled" and "no education required" I must be the anomaly with a triple major (with honors in all three) and my double masters. Because airlines don't like to hire "over qualified" people.  


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Reply 69, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3209 times:
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Quoting B727FA (Reply 68):
But since we all know that FAs are "unskilled" and "no education required" I must be the anomaly with a triple major (with honors in all three) and my double masters. Because airlines don't like to hire "over qualified" people.

Obviously with your "triple major", YOU are not over qualified to be an unskilled flight attendant. Either your triple major with honors is not of much value to any employer or you simply love being a persecuted flight attendant. Do NOT cry on my shoulder.
I think this subject has been beat to death and should be closed.......   


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Reply 70, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3093 times:

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 69):
you simply love being a persecuted flight attendant.

And HOW would that be?

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 69):
Do NOT cry on my shoulder.

I can't see that they were.



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User currently offlineAlnicocunife From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2929 times:

Could it be that airlines want, well rounded (no pun intended) educated persons? If you have a degree in anything you have been exposed to a variety of subjects. When in a customer service position being able to have intelligent conservation about “other than air travel” goes a long way. F/A’s are in a great position to network with people from all over the world, opening opportunities for them to find a second career. Not because they work for a (crappy) airline but because they want to. My wife has flown over 15 years as a F/A. She has a degree in Management and Computer Science. She can talk about any subject. She has been to all 50 states and 4 continents. Not all good but no job/career is. She said being a F/A was a temporary job until something else came along. Nothing has.

Good Luck to all applying for the Delta Air Lines Flight Attendant positions.


User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 763 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (1 year 7 months 11 hours ago) and read 2596 times:

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 69):

Quoting B727FA (Reply 68):
But since we all know that FAs are "unskilled" and "no education required" I must be the anomaly with a triple major (with honors in all three) and my double masters. Because airlines don't like to hire "over qualified" people.

Obviously with your "triple major", YOU are not over qualified to be an unskilled flight attendant. Either your triple major with honors is not of much value to any employer or you simply love being a persecuted flight attendant. Do NOT cry on my shoulder.
I think this subject has been beat to death and should be closed.......   

Easy Rooster...where did I say I was persecuted? When did I start crying on your shoulder?

Speech Communications, Theatre and Psychology all play into my work every day and my MA in Education has been an asset when I've written manuals and taught classes, etc. My MDiv with an emphasis in crisis management has been invaluable throughout my career.

I'm using my degrees; just in non-traditional ways. No harm no foul. I'm intrigued by your misplaced anger. I think it's interesting how you've decided this thread has been beaten to death and now it's time to close it. I'm happy to continue the conversation and getting it back on track to discuss the remarkable people who are joining the Delta Team!



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Reply 73, posted (1 year 7 months 7 hours ago) and read 2480 times:
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Quoting B727FA (Reply 72):
Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 69):

Quoting B727FA (Reply 68):
But since we all know that FAs are "unskilled" and "no education required" I must be the anomaly with a triple major (with honors in all three) and my double masters. Because airlines don't like to hire "over qualified" people.

Obviously with your "triple major", YOU are not over qualified to be an unskilled flight attendant. Either your triple major with honors is not of much value to any employer or you simply love being a persecuted flight attendant. Do NOT cry on my shoulder.
I think this subject has been beat to death and should be closed.......   

Easy Rooster...where did I say I was persecuted? When did I start crying on your shoulder?

Speech Communications, Theatre and Psychology all play into my work every day and my MA in Education has been an asset when I've written manuals and taught classes, etc. My MDiv with an emphasis in crisis management has been invaluable throughout my career.

I'm using my degrees; just in non-traditional ways. No harm no foul. I'm intrigued by your misplaced anger. I think it's interesting how you've decided this thread has been beaten to death and now it's time to close it. I'm happy to continue the conversation and getting it back on track to discuss the remarkable people who are joining the Delta Team!

Great you are using your degrees and I do not have any misplaced anger. As an example,I know a person who has a degree in accounting and is certified as a CPA. He has a large college loan to pay off and is working for $9.00 an hour soldering printed circuit cards. I also know a number of other degreed people who are employed in low level and low payed positions that are totally unrelated positions that do NOT require or need a degree. I also know a number of degreed people who are way over their head and totally lost in the fields they are employed in. Yes, there are people who have degrees in which employers put little or no value on, which does not give a person any advantage over someone with only a high school diploma.
I just think that people need to think is it worth the work or debt to obtain a degree that really does them little if any good. People cannot being spending their lives obtaining degrees that really do not help them in their lives or careers.
If you are a degreed flight attendant, it makes you no better or worse than a non degreed flight attendant. A flight attendant does NOT need a degree. You may have enjoyed the college experience. My point is, if someone is overly qualified for a position, sooner or later they will find a position that better fits their desires whether or not they have a college degree. Also, I think an employer who hires an overqualified person for a given position is not using good judgement as the person they hire may use the position long enough to find employment that better fits their education and skills.
As I stated before, I do NOT have any misplaced anger. Education is great, but there is a point where over qualification serves little if any good if it is NOT being productively used.   


User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined exactly 3 years ago today! , 779 posts, RR: 1
Reply 74, posted (1 year 7 months 7 hours ago) and read 2440 times:

Quoting questions (Reply 40):
From the point of submitting the application, what does the interviewing/selection process look like?

Anyone, anyone?


User currently offlineAlnicocunife From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 75, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2233 times:

Quoting questions (Reply 74):
Quoting questions (Reply 40):
From the point of submitting the application, what does the interviewing/selection process look like?

Delta uses a Situation/Task, Action, Result (STAR) type interview. (examples on Youtube) There is a score based on the candidates response with the highest score persons getting a conditional offer. Conditional until the background and drug test are complete. They are then assigned a training slot.


User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 763 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 73):
If you are a degreed flight attendant, it makes you no better or worse than a non degreed flight attendant. A flight attendant does NOT need a degree.

Who said an FA with a degree is better than another? Didn't come out of my mouth/keyboard.

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 73):
My point is, if someone is overly qualified for a position, sooner or later they will find a position that better fits their desires whether or not they have a college degree

That hasn't happened to me in nearly 20 years...guess being an FA "best fits my desires!"

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 73):
Also, I think an employer who hires an overqualified person for a given position is not using good judgement as the person they hire may use the position long enough to find employment that better fits their education and skills.

Why? I've never had an issues being hired b/c of my education. I think the companies where I've worked have the skill set they need to determine what's in their best interest.

I liken it to 2 houses on the market for sale. Both are perfect homes and a buyers dream. One has a landscaped yard with a patio, nice gardens and even a little fish pond. The other is well tended but basic; what will become of the yard is a question. There is no "actual" value in the extensive landscaping and it doesn't raise the price of house A over house B; both cost the same. Some buyers may "tip" to house A b/c the work is done and they know what they're getting as the "frills" but other buyers may choose house B b/c they're more interested in a clean slate and can make the yard what they want. Either way, they're getting a good house and the yard is a bonus.

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 73):
Education is great, but there is a point where over qualification serves little if any good if it is NOT being productively used.

How about you let me decide if I'm being "productively used?" It FEELS like you are, or know someone, whom you feel is under-employed and your reacting to that. I don't know you, so I won't judge your situation and I'd appreciate it if you'd offer the same courtesy to me.

A person walks onto a car lot and buys a car. He pulls into the drive way at home and the neighbor says, "Nice wheels!" And the buyer says, "I got ripped off! Suckered into a upgrade package, extended service plan, satellite phone I'll never use..." The neighbor says, "Gee, Bob...then why'd you buy it?" Bob knew what he was signing for...and so do the companies who hire people with or without the "upgrades." I rarely hear of an airline having buyers remorse for buying the "upgraded" car.



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User currently onlineNWAROOSTER From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1088 posts, RR: 3
Reply 77, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1923 times:
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Quoting B727FA (Reply 76):
That hasn't happened to me in nearly 20 years...guess being an FA "best fits my desires!"

If being a FA best serves your desires, that is great, but it would not have served my desires or wallet.
It sounds as though you need to have the last word. Why not let the subject die???????   


User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 763 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1746 times:

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 77):
It sounds as though you need to have the last word. Why not let the subject die???????   

B727FA          Rooster   



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User currently offlinehohd From United States of America, joined May 2008, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1729 times:

A good portion of the hires would be from FAs already flying regionals. I am sure many of the applicants are already working or have worked in the industry before. Probably about 75%. There is very little chance for someone who is a rank outsider (entry level with no experience) to be hired.

User currently offlinedeltairlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 80, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1639 times:

Quoting hohd (Reply 79):
A good portion of the hires would be from FAs already flying regionals. I am sure many of the applicants are already working or have worked in the industry before. Probably about 75%. There is very little chance for someone who is a rank outsider (entry level with no experience) to be hired.

What makes you say that?

It can often be best to hire someone who isn't already a FA, as it's easier to train them to Delta standards than to wean them off the standards of whichever carrier they're coming from.

A FA from a regional will be interviewed the same as a bartender from TGI Friday's. The one with the better interview will get the offer.


User currently onlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10417 posts, RR: 14
Reply 81, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1622 times:

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 80):
Quoting hohd (Reply 79):
A good portion of the hires would be from FAs already flying regionals. I am sure many of the applicants are already working or have worked in the industry before. Probably about 75%. There is very little chance for someone who is a rank outsider (entry level with no experience) to be hired.

What makes you say that?

It can often be best to hire someone who isn't already a FA, as it's easier to train them to Delta standards than to wean them off the standards of whichever carrier they're coming from.

A FA from a regional will be interviewed the same as a bartender from TGI Friday's. The one with the better interview will get the offer.

I agree........when I hired on, I was in my indoctrination class at DL with others like me, with no "airline" experience (but I did have Air Force experience) and with those that had been to independent airline schools. Those people were no better off, having been to those schools than those of us that were not. Their only advantage may have been that they knew the airliine and city codes, already. Other than that, they were going to learn the DL "way".



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