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Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 5  
User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4403 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 16707 times:
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Please continue the discussion here as part 4 was getting quite lengthy.

Previous thread:

Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 4 (by PHX787 Dec 14 2012 in Civil Aviation)


Next flights: WN DSM-LAS-PHX, US PHX-SJD. Return: US SJD-PHX, WN PHX-MDW-DSM
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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 16717 times:

Welcome to part five!

If you guys haven't already be sure to "like" PHX Spotters on Facebook.


As you know already i got accepted into Sophia university in Tokyo and will be leaving in march. I am sad but I will continue to be an admin on PHX spotters and continue this thread. I will need this thread more than ever to keep up with aviation news coming out of here  


From the last thread:
quoting aztrainer:
I believe it is a seasonal thing and will go back 7 days a week soon

I see that's good  
I think the ELT was a false alarm. Someone said that the ABX plane reported it "3 miles behind" which would have been right at sky harbor so I guess everything is ok.


See you guys around here   PM me if you want to go spotting somewhere sometime.
PHX787



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 16587 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
From the last thread:
quoting aztrainer:
I believe it is a seasonal thing and will go back 7 days a week soon

But it just went to seven days a week in December..



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User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1205 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 16436 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
Someone said that the ABX plane reported it "3 miles behind" which would have been right at sky harbor so I guess everything is ok.

2.5mi is minimum separation at P50/PHX ATCT on final provided traffic is visual. FAA allows facilities to drop below 3.0mi (standard separation on final) provided the average Runway Occupancy Time is ≥ 50secs over 250 landings for each primary landing runway in each direction -- so 1,000 landings total for 8, 26, 7R, and 25L. I know this because I was the lucky SOB intern who got to spend the better part of a month up in PHX ATCT to record that average a few years ago. Go me   . I won't name names (cough, anything Airbus), but some aircraft are completely crap at getting the hell off of the runway.

Anyway, 3.0-2.5mi in-trail of a large aircraft provided the trail aircraft is a large or heavy is actually a good thing...anything more than a 3.0 mile hole on final is considered unacceptable at places like NY Approach, SOCAL, Chicago, etc. As long as the in-trail aircraft is the same weight class or heavier, 2.5+ mi is legal. If ABX actually complained about 3.0mi in-trail, tough s**t.


User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 16344 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 2):
But it just went to seven days a week in December..

Could this just be a bump for seasonal holiday traffic and then goes back down to 6 times a week. I thought that it picks back up to seven days a week in March. I just looked at the first week in March and it is seven days a week.


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 16314 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 4):
Could this just be a bump for seasonal holiday traffic and then goes back down to 6 times a week. I thought that it picks back up to seven days a week in March. I just looked at the first week in March and it is seven days a week.


There were several weeks over the slower winter months where the route was scheduled to run only 6 times per week. The route goes daily again February 12th.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 16292 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 3):

The Abex was taking off and was completing a turn to the east.....



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1205 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 16236 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
The Abex was taking off and was completing a turn to the east.....

Still visual. As long as there's 15 degrees of diversion or the lateral separation is increasing to 4mi, it's legal and very common. Provided the lead aircraft isn't a heavy and they are on opposite departures (half of the SIDS turn north, the other half south), the trail aircraft can be cleared for takeoff when the lead aircraft >6,000' down the runway and rotating. Everything at PHX is visual so there's a lot of leeway on separation standards.


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5647 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 16085 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 3):
If ABX actually complained about 3.0mi in-trail, tough s**t.

Nothing was ever said about separation:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
I think the ELT was a false alarm. Someone said that the ABX plane reported it "3 miles behind"

ELT = Emergency Locator Transmitter. P50 was getting a hit on one, and per procedure asked other flights to help ping where it was coming from.



"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 15954 times:

OK I was walking on University drive by ASU earlier and I saw a UPS 767 flying around back and forth, right and left, in some odd pattern, and looked like it was stalling before the aircraft began to rev up again and continued for a landing---it was also very very low.

Now what was going on here?



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 660 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 15947 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 9):
OK I was walking on University drive by ASU earlier and I saw a UPS 767 flying around back and forth, right and left, in some odd pattern, and looked like it was stalling before the aircraft began to rev up again and continued for a landing---it was also very very low.

Now what was going on here?

Perhaps it was performing a maneuver to slow down and increase separation before landing? Outside of that, I'm not sure.



Allons-y!
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 15938 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 10):
Perhaps it was performing a maneuver to slow down and increase separation before landing? Outside of that, I'm not sure.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS2876/history/20130205/2135Z/KSDF/KPHX

At the very end he yawed to the right then back to the left, but it looked like he was already going quite slow



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 15905 times:

So with F9 outsourcing all outstations (including PHX) will they just pack up ship and move their operations to AZA?


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 15808 times:

Plane crash at Casa Grande airport today leaving two souls deceased  


次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlinePSAJet17 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 15771 times:

Media is reporting that the aircraft involved in the crash at CGZ was a Beechcraft King Air registered to a company in Tucson. No other identification has been released at this time.

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 15722 times:

N908NN Landed just now (New livery AA) and is departing tomorrow morning at 9:25 per PHX Spotters. Anyone who's gonna make it out there, I'll be there  


次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 15659 times:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=430192957057266&set=pb.119493661460532.-2207520000.1360217300&type=3&theater

Not a fan of the new scheme, not a fan of it at all



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2116 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 15639 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 9):
Now what was going on here?

Sounds like S turns either to lose altitude or increase separation. I've had them happen on occasion coming in to TUS.

Speaking of TUS, if anyone cares, Southwest Shamu 1, 334SW, is sitting on pallets, devoid of gear and engines at the old Hamilton ramp. They've really started bringing in a lot of new frames. Old Vietnam Airlines A320s, an Air Moldova A320, a Northern Air Cargo 733, plus a bunch of WN 733s. Saw them when I landed here this afternoon.


User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1205 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 15623 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 9):
Quoting chrisair (Reply 17):
Sounds like S turns either to lose altitude or increase separation.

Most likely for separation. It's a very common practice that can buy the tower ("local") controller some breathing room. When things get busy, they sometimes happen every few minutes. Since they won't usually ask for a speed change (nor would it generally make enough of a difference on final), an S turn can open up a big gap.

I doubt it would be for altitude unless something weird happened (e.g. wind, vector from go-around, somebody blew it, etc.).


User currently offlineRaventech From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 15558 times:

Allegiant Hawaii from AZA starts tomorrow morning (arrives this evening). Leaves at 7:30am.

User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2116 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 15484 times:

Since we can't reply to the other thread about AA/US   PHX787: the SkyTrain extension for T3 will open in 2015. Looks like they're making good progress on it.

Now, I think the real question is when will the SkyTrain actually open. It wasn't Feb 5 like the bus driver predicted late last month.


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15457 times:

Quoting Raventech (Reply 19):
Allegiant Hawaii from AZA starts tomorrow morning (arrives this evening). Leaves at 7:30am.

Indeed it does, I wonder what load factors are like

Quoting PHX787 from the T3 T4 thread: "Well they're not modernized like international gates at, lets say, LAX, DFW, DTW, etc etc. 2 boarding bridges, separate concourse hallways for arrivals and departures, lounge right by the departure area, etc etc"

I do not know how the international process works unlike ATL,LAX,BOS,etc but why fix the system if it is not broken. It seems to be working fine besides how much more can they do on the international area?

[Edited 2013-02-07 23:18:02]


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15438 times:

Guys lets just keep the impact stuff on the master thread for now. I think Jetblueguy22 had a good idea there. But the questions raised here have nothing to do with the impact.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 20):
PHX787: the SkyTrain extension for T3 will open in 2015. Looks like they're making good progress on it.

Yeah indeed, you can clearly see where the sky train station for t3 will be.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 20):
Now, I think the real question is when will the SkyTrain actually open. It wasn't Feb 5 like the bus driver predicted late last month.

Last I heard it's Feb. 20, from a guy from US Airways.

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 21):
I do not know how the international process works unlike ATL,LAX,BOS,etc but why fix the system if it is not broken. It seems to be working fine besides how much more can they do on the international area?

Well it's not fixing a broken object, it's improving an already decent service. I think two jetbridges serving the BA 744 would probably make things a bit better. Last I heard it takes forever to board that thing.



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1037 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15438 times:

There isn't much room nor need for dual jetways for one lonely BA flight, or even for any future service. Many airports around the world seem to get away with only one. Also, the BA lounge is, like, right above the concourse in PHX.

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 21):
It seems to be working fine besides how much more can they do on the international area?

Not much, unless they want to widen the concourse or extend and somehow utilize the third level for a boarding area.



Tiny, unreadable text leaves ample room for interpretation.
User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2116 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15430 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 22):
Last I heard it's Feb. 20, from a guy from US Airways.

I'll believe it when I see it actually carrying people.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 22):
I think two jetbridges serving the BA 744 would probably make things a bit better.

I think most gates at LAX are only using one jetbridge. At least the main ones in use currently.


25 Post contains links and images wn676 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeCr9B4RFqA Check out the video around 21:00. They talk about the T3 redevelopment plans. Some screens from the presena
26 treebeard787 : That looks very interesting, Seems like a viable solution for Skyharbor. Close T2 and expand T3, and if need be expand T4 as well. It would make PHX
27 chrisair : Everyone keeps talking about expanding T4. Once the last wing is built, west of the D gates, there's nowhere else to go for T4. I'll sure be sad for T
28 dlramp4life : Looks very nice.. Hope it gets approved.
29 Post contains links PSAJet17 : The aircraft involved in the crash at CZG on 06FEB13 has been identified as a 1997 Beech E-90 King Air N555FV. The identities of the two deceased has
30 AllegiantFlyer : Has anyone been able to catch the G4 757 at IWA? Honolulu service should of started by now
31 treebeard787 : The first AZA-HNL flight departed at 7:30 this morning, I'm hoping to try and see it on Monday when it departs. The flight times being used are not g
32 Post contains links 93Sierra : http://flightaware.com/live/findflight/KIFP/KIWA What's a republic e jet doing at gateway?
33 Maverick623 : Probably a charter.
34 Raventech : I was there this morning and got some pics, will post any good ones once I get them back (old school film camera).
35 treebeard787 : Republic is going to be flying the casino charters now since they won the contract. The routes were being flown by G4 MD-87s. I'm assuming that's why
36 PHX787 : So anyone grab a photo of the G4 at AZA going to HNL? I didn't think G4 operated those?
37 treebeard787 : They have three, N945MA, N948MA and N949MA,They are set to be retired in March I believe, since they lost the casino contract to Republic. When G4 fi
38 Post contains links and images Raventech : Got these on the first flight Friday morning.
39 atcsundevil : It's a neat concept but I think that's all it'll be. T2 needs to close, but given the work put into it in recent years and the new fandangled walkway
40 dlramp4life : But alot of those projects need to be done because of current capacity in the terminal. Security is a nightmare when it gets backed up. There is a se
41 Post contains links and images treebeard787 : Here's a few. Allegiant B757-200 N906NV by KoryC757, on Flickr Allegiant B757-200 N906NV by KoryC757, on Flickr Allegiant B757-200 N906NV by KoryC757
42 Post contains images PHX787 : Holy crap guys....there's a QR A342 sitting at south cargo now.... Anyone with info on departure date, PLEASE post here! I want to film it! That last
43 treebeard787 : Thanks....The A342 will likely be here for at least a week, its here for the Scottsdale Arabian Horse show.
44 atcsundevil : I'm not debating the current states of T2 or T3 -- I fly out of T2 on UA several times per month and while it is convenient, getting through security
45 aztrainer : While I agree with some points, I think here are some differentiating opinions. If AA/US becomes one then they will eliminate some flights from PHX.
46 Post contains images PHX787 : Heads up- QR Amiri flight taking off today at 1:30. Aircraft is Airbus A-340-200. Most likely runway are the 25s and 7s depending on wind. This was co
47 Post contains links PHX787 : http://youtu.be/iAUhqn46xfE Excuse the self-plug but this takeoff was beautiful! (And my camera sucks)
48 Post contains links and images 4holer : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripod
49 PHX787 : I use one! I just have a very very bad video setting on my camera. When I go to Japan in March I'm getting a Nikon D3100 and a better tripod.
50 PHXFlyer16 : Ok, I've been lurking for awhile. Too much going on now to not join. A couple of thoughts on various topics. First of all, I happened to becoming back
51 93Sierra : Aza will grow I think because of the merger
52 Post contains images atcsundevil : I can agree to disagree If UA and ZK move anywhere, it will almost certainly be to T4. If AA vacates T3S, that leaves three open gates, which is more
53 AllegiantFlyer : Ok everyone,we fought strong and AA itself was proud to announce no de-hubbing of PHX. Let this be a reminder to everyone to always be on the right si
54 PHXFlyer16 : Thanks for the welcome! Let's hope that's what actually happens. They can say anything they want today, but I guess only time will tell. I was doing m
55 aztrainer : I agree with HA adding the 330 to PHX, but that was to happen eventually. As of a flight booked on 12/21 - 12/28 it is still a 763. With a 321NEO it
56 4holer : I'm originally from Pittsburgh. This conversation sounds depressingly familiar.
57 PHX787 : I was reading quite a few articles on the merger today, and they were stating that AA almost needed PHX for its mountain-west presence. Those articles
58 PSAJet17 : If you are going to reference information, could you please provide the source? If it is on the internet a link, if it is in print, the name of the p
59 Post contains links PHX787 : http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayi...s-safe-in-american-merger/1919039/
60 PSAJet17 : Thanks for the link, PHX787. While there are a number of people stating that the hub in PHX will remain, what has to be looked at is how many people c
61 PHX787 : There was one more article I remember from the AP but I can only access it from their iPad app, if you're looking for more reference. I guess only ti
62 chrisair : AA said the same thing about SJC with AirCal and RenoAir. I wouldn't trust a thing those scumbags from DFW. T3 was built long before T4 and long befo
63 Maverick623 : I really doubt UA will, now that US will be dropping *A for OW as part of the merger with AA. I could definitely see ZK moving to B15 at T4. UA and A
64 Post contains images dlramp4life : UA has more then a three gate operation.. They would be a perfect fit on T3S but AS is a two gate operation, they would move to T3N where there are t
65 aztrainer : I was at work and missed the whole thing. I used to have a classroom that I could watch departures from PHX, but I moved to a different room and lost
66 PHX787 : Wasn't PIT downsized because they refused to let US have cheaper rates at the airport? PHX is cheap already, not sure if this is going to happen for
67 flyguy89 : It did play a small contributing factor, but it was more or less something to point to as reason to down-size PIT. Let's just say US management weren
68 Post contains links chrisair : Interesting article from the Republic about the end of an era now that the US headquarters are moving to DFW. http://www.azcentral.com/business/us...w
69 4holer : All true. But I was referring more to the lip service. PIT got constant reassurances that all was well, when in fact the airline had decided to dehub
70 Post contains images point2point : I certainly would want to be at least one person to wish all well with this merger. But the more I hear these airline execs, and then followed by the
71 PHX787 : I know PHX is going to be affected in some way by the merger, either in a good way or bad way, but at this point, none of us know, and only time can t
72 PHX787 : Merger news aside, anyone got any info on how the G4 hawaii flights are doing, now they've had a few weeks to settle in at AZA? And how's that going c
73 Post contains links aztrainer : Small plane forced to land in Chandler field at Cooper and Riggs Road http://www.azcentral.com/community/c...ash-lands-chandler-field-abrk.html
74 PHX787 : The BA is beginning to land in the sunset now. Go get 'em, spotters!
75 Post contains links Austwin : Aside from the effect on employment, I'd rather see more foreign carriers serving PHX than larger US/AA aircraft. Since he is the CEO I think he has s
76 PHX787 : Spotters! An A-330 is landing at 5:00 this afternoon according to PHXSpotters page. Expect gates B23 or 25. Agreed and I think people are starting to
77 aztrainer : Is this a charter from Japan for Spring Training or the World Baseball Classic? World Baseball Classic starts March 7th and the Class D pool is in Ph
78 Post contains images PHX787 : I wonder...but it's not showing up on Flightaware; no Japanese airlines fly the 330, it's not US as per the boys on PHXSpotters.... I'm starting to t
79 Post contains links AllegiantFlyer : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1-b-b6PHRs Everyone please do watch this video,as it can calm ourselfs of De-hubing fears
80 Post contains images chrisair : So that's why hotels are outrageously expensive that night.
81 dlramp4life : That really does not assure anything. It is to soon to tell what will happen if PHX gets dehubbed or not, I think there will be a loss of service but
82 aztrainer : Agree I also do not believe anything that Parker says, but I also think that IF they do the PHX is the western intercontinental hub and LAX being a I
83 Post contains links and images PHX787 : Holycrap that was the A-342 again guys. Look for a bunch of photos on the PHX Spotters page. If you haven't liked us yet, do it now https://www.facebo
84 Post contains links and images PHX787 : PHX News time people~ http://www.azcentral.com/community/m...amed-gateway-airport-director.html AZA getting a new airport director http://www.abc15.co
85 PSAJet17 : We are coming to the end of the February TV sweeps and every station in town has their investigative reporters trying to find and sensationalize any
86 wn676 : Not saying that I go out looking for this stuff, but there have been at least a couple actual scenes filmed in the T4 garage looking out over the nor
87 4holer : God Bless America. Consider this viewer grabbed. I'll be watching! And while visiting the roof of T4 garage with my little boy once, there was a coup
88 aztrainer : And yet the spotters get hawked by the security and Risky Business is filming. I now know what some people were doing as there were two large SUV's p
89 PHX787 : Yeah really. I go to T-4 at least every other week and I'm pretty much glad i haven't seen any of this....do they get permission from the airport to
90 aztrainer : I would think that this is NOT something that Phoenix would allow in the open with their permission. I would think that they would get an indecent ex
91 futureatp : Ok, ill admit it. I have ran across two separate adult themed flicks that were filmed at T-4. One was in the parking garage on the south side as WN ta
92 osubuckeyes : With UA ending CLE-PHX is it possible that US/AA, or WN come in to fill in the gap. I can't remember the last time PHX didn't have a nonstop to CLE. I
93 Post contains links treebeard787 : Boeing B-29 Superfortress N529B "FIFI" is going to be at IWA this afternoon through Sunday March 3rd. It will then be at DVT from the 4th to the 6th o
94 Post contains links 4holer : Missed it yesterday, but will be watching for it. http://www.azfamily.com/news/Rare-Bo...II-lands-in-Phoenix-193109181.html
95 atcsundevil : CLE-PHX isn't ending it's going seasonal, last I checked. Did you see otherwise? The 4th runway has been in some phase of planning for a very long ti
96 4holer : Ouch! Is there an endpoint to this agreement, 10 or 15 years or something?
97 Post contains images SANFan : Here are the DOT figures for O&D (from Table 1A) for the last 4 quarters of available data (expressed in PDEW): city pair.....4Q11...1Q12...2Q12.
98 AeroWesty : It could simply be that PDX was lacking red-eye service heading east during the summer vs. what PHX needed for yet another daylight flight to the eas
99 EricR : With a fleet as large as UA, you cannot correlate the elimination of PHX with addition of PDX. There were many cities that saw increases and reductio
100 wn676 : It wouldn't. There's plenty of room between Washington and 8/26 for a new runway to fit, they're just over 2,500 feet apart (from centerline). In fac
101 Post contains images chrisair : Just landed earlier this evening and heard the Air Train is 30-60 days away because cracks have developed "all over" the tracks. When I left on Monday
102 atcsundevil : Good question. I have no idea. I'm sure there's some lifespan to it, but unless PHX forks over some cash to Tempe, I don't think they'll be too recep
103 aztrainer : You also forgot the railway spur for the Southern Pacific that runs north of the airport. There is no place to put or relocate the tracks. It was sta
104 Post contains links treebeard787 : Allegiant's new A319 has entered service now. Its been running AZA-FAR-AZA the past two days and its done an AZA-DLH-AZA turn as well. It's scheduled
105 wn676 : Why would they? You can easily fit a runway and a center taxiway south of the UP ROW going by the spacing they used when 25L/7R was built. Or at leas
106 Post contains links AllegiantFlyer : World Airways made an Appearance in Arizona Today,Which rarely ever happens unless they are going to the Goodyear airport to be Demolished. Took off f
107 Post contains images PHX787 : I'm going to rely on all of you to be posting photos now! Just made it back to Cincy and will leave for NRT in 3 weeks. Is it absolutely necessary, an
108 aztrainer : Hard to say, but Channel 12 stated that they may be closing the tower. They made it see as GYR was a major airport with a mixture of commercial and p
109 PHX787 : I know closing a tower is no laughing matter but i mean isn't most of their flights controlled inbound by PHX ARTCC?
110 osubuckeyes : Well my question about the PDEW was based on if they warrant a year round flight. Doesn't matter if it is UA or not. Based on the difference in PDEW
111 Post contains links 4holer : Was just out walking the dog and saw this take off from IWA. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY1002 As you can see, it turns left and climbs over
112 SiouxATC : Phoenix doesn't have an ARTCC, but I assume you're referring to Phoenix Tracon (P50). But in any case, GYR traffic does in fact deal mostly with GYR
113 PHX787 : Maybe I was thinking the local tower..but couldn't PHX Local handle GYR as they do CHD and DVT? I saw it once, and I think they just let them do it w
114 SiouxATC : PHX does not handle GYR, CHD, DVT, SDL, FFZ, GEU, or any other airport. PHX Tower handles PHX. P50 handles the radar aspect and then hands them off t
115 Post contains links 4holer : Looks like an AN-124 inbound for a midday arrival! http://flightaware.com/live/flight/POT4105
116 aztrainer : Someone is probably getting more Apaches. That would of explained the sound this weekend. I live on the Chandler/Gilbert border and often get the mil
117 4holer : And going up to the roof to see that one, (nice cross over the field to give me, to the south, a much better view!), looking south of me down around
118 aztrainer : OK, I thought the AN-124 was going to IWA, but it is going to PHX. What would they be picking up at PHX? Could this be for horses that were purchased
119 wn676 : They loaded two ANG helicopters that are going down to Panama. Which means this will be back sometime soon but we aren't sure when, exactly. Will dep
120 Post contains images chrisair : That's an awfully lot of airplane for some horses. Sunshine.
121 Post contains images PHX787 : Damn you guys for tormenting me here in Ohio with your epic weather! Hmm quite interesting...what's down in Panama though? Is there still a US Army b
122 4holer : Thanks for the heads up!! I read your post at 0758!
123 wn676 : It's a humanitarian aid mission, I heard something to do with ships adrift/run aground.
124 Post contains links PHX787 : http://avherald.com/h?article=45eac75a&opt=0 Looks like a US A321 diverted to PHX yesterday with fumes detected on board....
125 baileyncreme : Greeting from Gilbert. My wife and I went and visited Fifi the B-29 on Sunday @ Mesa-Gateway. Fun experience. Weather was perfect and very cloudy, but
126 chrisair : Anyone know if you can get a ride on the B17? My uncle was a bombardier on one in the Pacific in WWII and I'm sure he would love to go for one more ri
127 Maverick623 : I believe they still sell flights on it, but it's pretty pricey.
128 Post contains links 4holer : Check here... http://www.airpowersquadron.org/#!schedule/c1yws Edit: Having checked that website, I see that the answer is yes, as ling as he can get
129 Post contains images dlramp4life : DL is sending some A330s to PHX from NRT next week as charter for the world baseball classic. They will be parked at T4. I will be out of town so I do
130 Post contains images PHX787 : and next week I'm neither in PHX nor NRT lol anyone have some photos from the recent race charters ?
131 chrisair : Next week? Doesn't that start tomorrow?
132 Post contains links 4holer : No pics, but driving past on the 10 over the weekend I saw, probably for the last time, 2 active 727s parked next to each other over by Cutter. Didn'
133 aztrainer : I will be in Las Vegas for the start of the week, but because of Spring Break I will be open the rest of the week. Do you know what day they are arri
134 baileyncreme : Greetings from N. Scottsdale... "anyone have some photos from the recent race charters ? No pics, but driving past on the 10 over the weekend I saw, p
135 PSAJet17 : The other B727 for Roush was N727NK (which has white top, red stripe and black undercarriage and tail) and was formerly used by the Miami Heat (hence
136 dlramp4life : They will be arriving tuesday evening and then the charters will depart back to NRT on Friday I believe.
137 freeze3192 : Forgive me as I don't keep very good tabs on these things, and it might not be even relevant to this thread, but a few years back there was a website
138 chrisair : The AN-124 was still here (or a new one came in) this evening. It's parked by the west economy parking lot. Why are there planes going to NRT? None o
139 wn676 : It left to PTY on Tuesday morning and came back yesterday around 1445. Headed down there again at 0810 this morning as POT4108. Same plane, RA-82077.
140 aztrainer : Did they come and get more Blackhawks? I read that way to quickly and I thought it said it was parked in the west economy lot. Thanks, I may go spott
141 Post contains images PHX787 : For those of you still in PHX DL is sending 2 A333s to PHX for baseball-related activities! Arrival should be around 8.
142 aztrainer : Does anyone know what time the DL A333's will be leaving on Friday?
143 carpethead : Hello from Japan. Anybody confirm that the Japanese baseball team took one or two DL A333 from HND-PHX. Or something else. Just curious. Usually, JAL
144 wn676 : They took two A333s.
145 PHX787 : They flew a 77W last year and 5Y also had their SonAir plane flying as well. Not sure why 5Y didn't do it again this year ...
146 treebeard787 : Last year it was the Oakland A's that used Atlas Air to NRT, The A's and Mariners opened up the regular season in Japan. The As had 5Y and the Marine
147 dlramp4life : Since DL is a sponsor for the world baseball classic, did they pick up alot of the charter flights for all the teams?
148 aztrainer : I would think so and this is logical. If you check the World Baseball Classic website DL is all over the place. Dose anyone know when they will be le
149 Post contains links and images point2point : It appears as if ZK is going to have a daily PHX-SAF flights on the BE1 starting on May 1. Fares will start at $89 for a one way ticket. http://www.sa
150 Post contains links PHX787 : Some interesting PHX news tonight: A dog who was checked on a UA flight from EWR made an unscheduled stopover in DUB...... http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/
151 PHX787 : Either this is a result of G4 trashing around their 757s or this flight just isn't performing well enough out of AZA: From the OAG thread: "Quoting en
152 phxpilot : I think you will find it is neither. When an airline has a small fleet sub-type, Murphy's Law occasionally rears its head and temporary maintenance p
153 PHXFlyer16 : Agreed. I wouldn't worry. It looks like they killed most of their Hawaii flying and reduced tons of destinations without adding anything. I know they
154 Post contains links wn676 : Sky Train set to open April 8th at noon: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/state/...r-international-airport-on-april-8
155 chrisair : I'll believe it when I see it. I just saw they still are working on the tracks between the garage and terminal. I guess they are fixing the last of t
156 PHX787 : Posted on their Facebook and some of the workers at PHX confirmed to me.
157 Post contains links and images wn676 : Here you go. View Large View MediumPhoto © Peter Van Dyke - PHX Spotters Well seeing as this is the first time they've officially announced a firm d
158 aztrainer : Agree, I really do hope that they have it fixed, but when the initial problems who knows. Do they test it with the cars only or do they have it loade
159 dlramp4life : Thank you! Looks like a mini ATL or DTW..... Great picture!
160 chrisair : I've only seen the cars up there. The only time I've seen people on the cars is when they're parked at the station. I doubt they're loaded up with wa
161 wn676 : They actually are loaded with sandbags. About 15,000 lbs in each car IIRC.
162 4holer : Yup. Could see that from the T4 lots when they were running tests.
163 mach2is2slowaz : Anyone see the Airship flying around the east valley tonight? They were talking to IWA tower under the call sign Universal 1, It had a picture of a mi
164 chrisair : Weird. I never noticed them. I stand corrected. I saw it west of PHX about 7p when I was on the 10 next to the airport. When I left town an hour late
165 Post contains images PHX787 : Im assuming it's now Speedbird season in the valley Anyone get any good snaps? For me, I've already become inundated with the 744s which fly to NRT re
166 4holer : Yep. Noticibly quiet for a blimp I thought. The big glowing mass in the sky startled me for a fraction of a second as I hadn't heard it approach, it
167 aztrainer : Hey there is a C-17 at the ANG as of this morning. I have two questions for the more knowledgeable out there. 1. Why would a plane taxi to the end of
168 wn676 : Most likely waiting for an ATC release for flow control. I've had it happen to me numerous times in PHX and elsewhere. They could also have been wait
169 chrisair : What side were they parked on? A couple times flying DL, we've gotten lucky and been able to depart from 8. It saves 10-15 minutes of taxi time.
170 treebeard787 : It would have departed from Gate 5 on the south side of T3.
171 aztrainer : Normal gate 5 That was the strange thing is that they were still using 7L the whole time and this would of cost HA more time. They had to wait for th
172 Maverick623 : Extra cargo/fuel maybe? I've seen a goof where the load planner had a flight planned to depart 26, the night they shut it down for resurfacing. The p
173 Post contains links AllegiantFlyer : http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/mon...6-98aa-11e2-81de-001a4bcf887a.html Here is a really good article discribing how important the airports are in t
174 Post contains links chrisair : A really interesting look at the Sky Train and some history of Sky Harbor. http://www.azcentral.com/community/p...0322phoenix-sky-train-airport.html
175 Post contains links Austwin : I came across this: http://ktar.com/22/1623208/Phoenix-S...r-planning-another-expansion?cmt=1 Earlier I posted a link showing the renderings. I know i
176 dlramp4life : well AA will be out of the south end because they will be merging operations with US. HA and B6 can easily fit over on T3N where there are three unus
177 austwin : Thanks dlramp, appreciate your insight. I didn't know about the T3N gate situation.
178 PHXFlyer16 : What an awful article. I don't know if I'd actually call it an "Expansion" being that they are closing T2. I suppose you could say expansion of T3, bu
179 PHX787 : This skytrain plan has been in the works for a while. Interesting they're going to expand to close T-2.
180 dlramp4life : The supposed "plan" is indeed an expansion. T3S has five gates and they are in pretty poor condition (you can see a painted over HP logo on gate 9).
181 Post contains links austwin : The Phoenix City Council voted unanimously to move forward with the Terminal 3 expansion. It includes additional security check points, new concession
182 PHXFlyer16 : The new South Concourse still looks weird to me. It has a semi circle with a pier extending from the left or West side. This seems very unbalanced an
183 EricR : Several things to keep in mind. This expansion program is not an "all or nothing" type of program. It is intended to be very flexible in terms of wha
184 BA744PHX : Does anyone know if G4 dropped AZA-MTJ? also OAK-MJT is not showing.
185 aztrainer : I agree T2 will go long before T3 expansion is even started. I also wonder if they will just take T3S and add extension wings to the existing structu
186 chrisair : From everything I've read, rerouting Sky Harbor Blvd on the west side of the airport will happen.
187 aztrainer : If that does happen, I can see that they will simply add to T-3 as with the Skytrain both T3 and T4 will be connected for passengers and they will no
188 skyharborshome : That would have been a good idea some time ago but with Sky Train now already being designed and construction well underway to T-3, I think the addit
189 wn676 : They did have plans in 2005 to realign the roadway and build Phase 2 of the Sky Train with the addition of two new cross-field taxiways. They would h
190 Post contains links 4holer : AN-124 inbound to IWA... http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VDA2858
191 Post contains links 4holer : AN124 departing IWA at 2:10. Just over an hour from now... http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VDA2859
192 Post contains links and images wn676 : You know it's springtime in Phoenix when...
193 treebeard787 : No kidding, I got stung while I was driving in my car this afternoon. There were tons of bee's out at IWA today too.
194 chrisair : I can't BEElieve this. It must have BEEn terrible to BEE around that plane. On another note, the Sky Train is fantastic. Seven minutes from my car in
195 aztrainer : I would not move it that far west, but more where T-2 and the executive terminal is now. I doubt that it will happen as, like you said, there are a l
196 aztrainer : What do you guys do when this happens? Is this a city problem or do you guys have to deal with the bees? Also does this effect any flights and the em
197 PHX787 : WTF is with all the bees? I keep getting alerts from ASU about them. Sad indeed to lose the 744...it was a good run...but I love me a 77W. Any word on
198 wn676 : Usually we will end up calling a pest control service, though if the bees are far enough out of the way we just let them be. With yesterday's inciden
199 aztrainer : I have stopped listening to what is being said. PHX will have a hard time attracting AA's international flights due to LAX and DFW. I can see PHX bei
200 dlramp4life : Not just WN would add more flights. I could see UA,DL, and OO (under DL or UA) pumping some flights into the PHX area. It will be interesting to see
201 skyharborshome : I am still bummed that loads on G4 to Hawaii have justified cutting the service. We all hear that competition is great for consumers but looks like th
202 Post contains links PHXFlyer16 : Read this article: http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/lif...c-9bf9-11e2-9285-0019bb2963f4.html I am a bit confused as they say that: “It’s particul
203 aztrainer : As a frequent trailer to Hawai'i, it is a seasonal market in some ways. When I have gone over in October (fall break for schools) it was dead. That b
204 PHX787 : Any one else see the IB 343 come into GYR? Some of the guys on PHX spotters were surprised to see it.
205 Post contains links PHXFlyer16 : I was reading a thread about Aer Lingus leasing three 757s that they will fly on North Atlantic routes from Shannon. Potentially freeing up an A330 or
206 Sevensixtyseven : They could source the aircraft at LHR, like DL does with their SLC-CDG flight, so something along the lines of DFW-LHR-PHX-LHR-DFW, or something like
207 Post contains links aztrainer : http://www.azcentral.com/news/politi...plane-remains-stuck-flagstaff.html Air Force Two (757) that took VP Biden to Flagstaff ingested something on la
208 PHX787 : I have a serious question- are any of the other PHXSpotters admins on here besides me and Kory? I can't seem to find the other profiles. Also: Jason i
209 aztrainer : There is limited battery power, but also remember that with the summer the sun goes down around 7:00 and comes up at 5:30. I would question using PHX
210 Post contains links chrisair : It's landing at something obscene like 4 am. If anyone is interested there are tours on Sunday and Tuesday. http://solarimpulseatphoenixonsunday.even
211 Maverick623 : It landed about 12:30AM local time.
212 aztrainer : I looked on the website, but could not see what time it is going to depart on Monday. Does anyone know?
213 PSAJet17 : It's not leaving on Monday. The public open house are scheduled on Sunday and Tuesday. So departure would have to be no earlier than Tuesday evening.
214 treebeard787 : I wouldn't expect it to depart till Wednesday morning at the earliest. I am sure we will know about it's departure before it actually leaves.
215 Sevensixtyseven : There's two BA 747s en-route to PHX today, or so flightaware claims..the standard BA288/289, and BA 9601/9602. 289 is still in the air, but 9601 has a
216 4holer : I saw that too. If you check the regular flight on flightaware, you'll see that there was no flight yesterday (the 7th). Guessing that is the extra f
217 Post contains images mach2is2slowAZ : Any idea if the PHX class B airspace can be overlaid on Google earth? I saw a hot air balloon flying over Thomas and Central yesterday and I looked li
218 PHX787 : I think Class B can be crossed as long as theyre in constant contact w/ the tower. Same as any airport who allows this.
219 mach2is2slowAZ : Given the necessity that you must establish radio contact and receive a clearance, the requirement for a two-way radio is obvious, but FAR 91.131 als
220 atcsundevil : It's called a Bravo Transition. At PHX the transition is between Firebird Lake and Squaw Peak. Communication with Phoenix TRACON (not tower) is requir
221 4holer : Pleasantly surprised to see a 747, I think Atlas, while driving past the airport on the 10 today!
222 Post contains links mach2is2slowAZ : There were two that came in this morning about an hr apart. I heard that they were picking up MD helicopters for somewhere in Europe. Atlas Air (5Y) #
223 Sevensixtyseven : It seems that yesterday, US 146/47, the daily Phoenix-Kauai flight, was horribly delayed 8 hours for departure after taking off at the right time, the
224 wn676 : Sometimes all the spares have been pressed into service and there's nothing else to do. Happens from time to time. The ETOPS checks really kill the c
225 PSAJet17 : Received this in an email: Solar Impulse, piloted by André, will take off tomorrow, Wednesday May 22nd at 4:45AM MST (UTC-7) from Phoenix Sky Harbor
226 Post contains images atcsundevil : Well I would hope so -- it'll only be at 2,000ft over A Mountain!
227 PHX787 : https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=343104025793003&set=a.307427612693978.49401.282132568556816&type=1&theater posted by Fox10, taking
228 PSAJet17 : It amazes me to see how many crappy photos are posted on Facebook by members of the local TV media. You would think these people would know how to ta
229 aztrainer : Agree, but this is also a reporter and it was probably taken from her Iphone. These are people that read text into a screen for a living and not prof
230 Post contains images PHX787 : News reporting a small plane crashed in flagstaff with 2 fatalities.
231 chrisair : A lot of the photos posted are screen grabs from videos. It's not a surprise the quality isn't good. Most stations in TUS and PHX still don't have 10
232 93Sierra : I left out of DVT this morning for Dallas via El Paso, and thought I saw California Pacifica EMB 170 sitting on the South side. ?
233 Vctony : You did. It was there yesterday as well.
234 aztrainer : Does anyone know what happened with HA-35 today (5-29-13)? I was waiting for it to take off on top of T-4, but finally left at 9:30 when they updated
235 airportugal310 : APU issue...that led to some other things, too. Edit: It's 587HA in case you were curious[Edited 2013-05-29 12:34:02]
236 aztrainer : Thank you for the information especially the AC number. By an chance do you know who is working on her? Since US and WN have mx here, but neither wor
237 airportugal310 : I am told ABX if that sounds right...
238 aztrainer : Yes as ABX and UPS are the only people that have 767's in PHX
239 atcsundevil : Its been in town for a few weeks with Honeywell. Honeywell has done APU tests here (and maybe others?) on several E-jets over the past three to four
240 dlramp4life : For now ABX services HA but when the A330s grace their presence in PHX, DL will takeover mx duties
241 aztrainer : I have a question about this. I understand DL taking over the mx at PHX as they would have the expertise of the A330, but they do not have the parts
242 93Sierra : But why "store" the CP bird here in DVT vs it's home base in Carlsbad? Anybody know who flew it here? ( only asking because I was under the impression
243 PSAJet17 : A story a few weeks ago in the San Diego Union Tribune spoke about how the FAA had told the airline that because of sequestration cuts, they (FAA) co
244 atcsundevil : I don't think it's being stored -- as I said before, I think Honeywell is using it because it was on their ramp at PHX a couple of weeks ago. Honeywe
245 dlramp4life : If they are fixing the HA A330 then HA would be responsible for sending the A/C parts to the MX staff. I believe that there is alot of spare parts fo
246 aztrainer : OK, That would also make sense. I am a little surprised that US/AA was not contracted for the mx as they have a base here as well as they do fly the
247 chrisair : Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've never seen a US A330 in PHX. I don't think they make it west of the Mississippi River.
248 osubuckeyes : I think they have sent a few as subs, but I may be wrong. DL definitely sends them as occasional subs from DTW or MSP and for charters during bowl se
249 wn676 : US has had 767s on occasion for charters and a couple of times as diversions but never a 330. Doesn't mean they stock parts for them. Only stations w
250 AllegiantFlyer : Any ideas when the mexican government will approve the Volaris Route?
251 Post contains links 93Sierra : 2 planes collided north of the valley, at least 4 dead. http://ktar.com/?sid=1638490&nid=131
252 aztrainer : True, I was just thinking that there could be mx personal at PHX that would have training in the A330 that DL may not. I know about part availability
253 atcsundevil : There was a US 330 charter to PHX a year or two ago...I'm pretty sure it was for the Fiesta Bowl.
254 wn676 : There have been many DL 330s for the bowl games, but US has never sent any to PHX.
255 BA744PHX : F9 just released their schedule to January 2014 and AZA is still not listed. so much for that
256 Post contains links 4holer : Extra BA 744 about a half hour away! http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW9608
257 Post contains links iowaman : Due to length, here is part 6: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 6 (by iowaman Jun 5 2013 in Civil Aviation) Part 5 will be archived for future reference.
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